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Julie d'Aubigny - 12 Dec 2003 12:05 GMT

The only Fallout 3 screenshot:

http://www.nma-fallout.com/fallout3/fo3mm.png

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Filip van den Bergh - 12 Dec 2003 14:12 GMT

> The only Fallout 3 screenshot:
>
> http://www.nma-fallout.com/fallout3/fo3mm.png

Looks bad...
I'm sure the real deal would've been nicer.

Filip

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Julie d'Aubigny - 12 Dec 2003 15:08 GMT

> > The only Fallout 3 screenshot:
> >
> > http://www.nma-fallout.com/fallout3/fo3mm.png
>
> Looks bad...
> I'm sure the real deal would've been nicer.

Yeah, this was a beta screenshot. The models were all in-game models -
viewing them at the proper resolution would get better results.

I'm a bit sad (beyond the standard over it's not-existence) because this
would've had multiplayer. I don't know how well it would've worked, but
I'm sure it would've gone over nicely in the household here.

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4too - 12 Dec 2003 23:19 GMT

>>>The only Fallout 3 screenshot:
>>>
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> would've had multiplayer. I don't know how well it would've worked, but
> I'm sure it would've gone over nicely in the household here.

I believe that JE et al the Dev's were able to sell the point of how
their work would have been different. The new features and treatments
would be attractive to all and challenge the veteran FO gamers.

I could not follow the extensive threads at the Interplay forums. I
sampled what was covered by NMA and DAC. The presence of the dev's there
was positive and turned the too habitual negative first impulses into
""what if"".

Thanks for the pic. When I tried to sample it before there ws too much
web activity to be stable on a phone link.

4too

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>>>>The only Fallout 3 screenshot:
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>Thanks for the pic. When I tried to sample it before there ws too much
>web activity to be stable on a phone link.

Fallout 3 probably would have had universal ammo or something to f.ck it
up anyway.

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Julie d'Aubigny - 13 Dec 2003 08:55 GMT

> > I'm a bit sad (beyond the standard over it's not-existence) because this
> > would've had multiplayer. I don't know how well it would've worked, but
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> their work would have been different. The new features and treatments
> would be attractive to all and challenge the veteran FO gamers.

I have no doubt that the game would be good. I just don't enjoy
multiplayer CRPGs the way I enjoy, say, multiplayer Warcraft III.

> I could not follow the extensive threads at the Interplay forums. I
> sampled what was covered by NMA and DAC. The presence of the dev's there
> was positive and turned the too habitual negative first impulses into
> ""what if"".

Yes, I think that the developers did a great job of turning around a lot
of the negativity that boiled over when FOBOS was announced. The Van
Buren threads were *perfect* for the time.

> Thanks for the pic. When I tried to sample it before there ws too much
> web activity to be stable on a phone link.

Oops. I know you read NMA (I recognize your name from the forums there),
so I'm sure you'll be up to date as things develop. :)

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wamingo - 12 Dec 2003 15:09 GMT

> > The only Fallout 3 screenshot:
> >
> > http://www.nma-fallout.com/fallout3/fo3mm.png
>
> Looks bad...
> I'm sure the real deal would've been nicer.

yeah it looks a bit crap but I should think it's because it's the same
engine drawing this image as the one showing it in the regular fallout
isometric view, they just panned the camera around and zoomed in. So
everything looks low quality etc... It's my guess anyway.

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Julie d'Aubigny - 12 Dec 2003 15:09 GMT

> > > The only Fallout 3 screenshot:
> > >
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> isometric view, they just panned the camera around and zoomed in. So
> everything looks low quality etc... It's my guess anyway.

According to the thread on the Interplay forums, that's about it.

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Juliusz 'Julas' Gonera - 12 Dec 2003 20:09 GMT

> yeah it looks a bit crap but I should think it's because it's the same
> engine drawing this image as the one showing it in the regular fallout
> isometric view, they just panned the camera around and zoomed in. So
> everything looks low quality etc... It's my guess anyway.

ROTFL! FO and FO2 are based on sprites (nothing 3D, no models, pure
bitmaps), so there's no possibility to move or zoom camera. It's
probably rendered in alpha version of FO3 engine.

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wamingo - 12 Dec 2003 23:18 GMT

> > yeah it looks a bit crap but I should think it's because it's the same
> > engine drawing this image as the one showing it in the regular fallout
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> bitmaps), so there's no possibility to move or zoom camera. It's
> probably rendered in alpha version of FO3 engine.

Well actually, FO3 does use a 3d engine. So yes, they can pan the camera
around if they wanted...
If you read up on the old news you'll notice JE Sawyer talked about how
their 3d engine looks so smooth "that people often thinks it's 2d"...
In fact just now you can see some screenshots of how it looks on NMA... you
can see it isn't perfect 2d isometry and still looks really good. Not
perfect, but quite close. I must admit that the 3d rave I was on about some
while ago I'm (almost) gonna have to eat now. It doesn't look too bad at
all. :)
*starts drooling for a level editor*

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Juliusz 'Julas' Gonera - 13 Dec 2003 11:48 GMT

> Well actually, FO3 does use a 3d engine. So yes, they can pan the camera
> around if they wanted...

"...it's the same engine drawing this image as the one showing it in the
regular fallout isometric view" ;p
But nevermind.

> If you read up on the old news you'll notice JE Sawyer talked about how
> their 3d engine looks so smooth "that people often thinks it's 2d"...
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> while ago I'm (almost) gonna have to eat now. It doesn't look too bad at
> all. :)

It looks like if all things on it were made of plastic ;) And there are
no character shadows.

> *starts drooling for a level editor*

:))

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wamingo - 13 Dec 2003 13:01 GMT

> > Well actually, FO3 does use a 3d engine. So yes, they can pan the camera
> > around if they wanted...
>
> "...it's the same engine drawing this image as the one showing it in the
> regular fallout isometric view" ;p
> But nevermind.

yeah I meant the ingame fo3 isometric view is running on the same engine as
the one showing that picture. The camera has just been rotated...

> It looks like if all things on it were made of plastic ;) And there are
> no character shadows.

yeah no shadows is crap... I'm sure this wasn't meant to be the final "menu"
image, anyway...

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Juliusz 'Julas' Gonera - 13 Dec 2003 13:22 GMT

> yeah I meant the ingame fo3 isometric view is running on the same engine as
> the one showing that picture. The camera has just been rotated...

Ah, now I see. Sorry for the flame then ;)

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Julie d'Aubigny - 15 Dec 2003 07:10 GMT

> > It looks like if all things on it were made of plastic ;) And there are
> > no character shadows.
>
> yeah no shadows is crap... I'm sure this wasn't meant to be the final "menu"
> image, anyway...

It's a "mockup" title screen with low-detail models, and shadows hadn't
yet been implemented.

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Filip van den Bergh - 15 Dec 2003 08:56 GMT

> It looks like if all things on it were made of plastic ;) And there are
> no character shadows.

Ah yes, that's what I'm seeing here. No shadows!

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Julie d'Aubigny - 13 Dec 2003 08:53 GMT

> ROTFL! FO and FO2 are based on sprites (nothing 3D, no models, pure
> bitmaps), so there's no possibility to move or zoom camera. It's
> probably rendered in alpha version of FO3 engine.

I believe that is the case. The engine itself looked to be one of the
most flexible (for developers) for CRPGs.

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Homer - 13 Dec 2003 11:41 GMT

> The only Fallout 3 screenshot:
>
> http://www.nma-fallout.com/fallout3/fo3mm.png

Maybe if I click on "Start New Game" One more time it will work....

~Homer

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Johan salomez - 13 Dec 2003 18:51 GMT

> Maybe if I click on "Start New Game" One more time it will work....
>
> ~Homer

Nope doesn't work i tried it, it just doesn't work :)

But i think if thats the graphics for the game, its gona be a realy good one
(if there is ever gona be a fo3), if you think that you would see the
characters like in FoT:bos, or Fo1 and 2, much detail will require heavy
computers (I only have a PIII 450, but will buy a new one the moment Fo3
hits the stores). And you don't have to see only the graphics, but the
storyline is much more important, i think.

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Julie d'Aubigny - 15 Dec 2003 07:12 GMT

> > Maybe if I click on "Start New Game" One more time it will work....
> >
> > ~Homer
> >
> Nope doesn't work i tried it, it just doesn't work :)

If you click reroll 100,000 times in Temple of Elemental Evil, you get
straight 18s...maybe...

> But i think if thats the graphics for the game, its gona be a realy good one
> (if there is ever gona be a fo3), if you think that you would see the
> characters like in FoT:bos, or Fo1 and 2, much detail will require heavy
> computers (I only have a PIII 450, but will buy a new one the moment Fo3
> hits the stores). And you don't have to see only the graphics, but the
> storyline is much more important, i think.

The engine itself was perhaps one of the best isometric engines in
production. Sadly, it will probably never see the light of day.

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Julie d'Aubigny - 15 Dec 2003 07:09 GMT

> > The only Fallout 3 screenshot:
> >
> > http://www.nma-fallout.com/fallout3/fo3mm.png
>
> Maybe if I click on "Start New Game" One more time it will work....

I know your pain.

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