> I've played all three Fallout, Fallout 2, Fallout BOS when they were first
> released. And I don't think that FO3 will be anywhere near what the
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> Last I headrd most of them ended up at Osidian. If FO3 is anything like
> Elder Scrolls I won't be buying it.
If Bethesda chooses to limit FO3-B to Elder Scrolls' design, then they
will be limiting their potential sales to that niche market.
I have no -recent- experience with the first person fantasy format,
never have played a Bethesda title (that I know of). I've no idea of
what Bethesda deems "role playing" to be, outside what I recall role
playing was in the fantasy games I have played. I've no conscious wish
to replay these types of fantasy rpg games. If Bethesda plays it safe
and dresses their fantasy format with post apocolytic rags, then I'll
have to wait. After the -professional- reviewers, the real gamers will
be posting their opinions, I can wait, and by then a mediocre product
will be half priced or in the bargain bin ... bugs and all.
Please, none of this, we must support 'company X' stuff, none of this
holding FO hostage, it's an obvious threat, akin to extortion, that was
tryed with FO:BOS. And there were better Snowblind Engined console
games to choose from such as BG:DA, and C of N, then to have considered
FO:BOS.
I can wait, until whatever is published, played, AND PATCHED.
4too
Bateau - 03 Aug 2004 15:48 GMT
>> I've played all three Fallout, Fallout 2, Fallout BOS when they were first
>> released. And I don't think that FO3 will be anywhere near what the
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>I can wait, until whatever is published, played, AND PATCHED.
Yep get it from the bargain bin and then if you feel it's worth $60
after playing it send them the money. I doubt anyone would.
Is it just me or are video games the only form of entertainment that
drops in price by 95% after a few years?

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4too - 04 Aug 2004 00:35 GMT
PC's. If one shops effectively, some titles become 33% off or half price
"loss leaders" a momnth or so after publishing.
If I must pay full for a title then places like Media Play kick back
coupons as a percentage of total purchases. If you pay to play their
"buyer's club membership".
Consoles are established enough that 'used titles' are worth considering
for the price advantage, and there are 'sale' times too, to clear out
the shelves.
So many games so little time .... !
4too
Owen Brown - 03 Aug 2004 17:13 GMT
>> I've played all three Fallout, Fallout 2, Fallout BOS when they were
>> first
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> 4too
I'm kinda curious as to where you get that FO3-B from. Do you consider
FOT to be FO3, FO:BOS to be FO3, or now-defunct Black Isle Studios' Van
Buren (the old FO3 that was never released, was very near done, and
Bethesda is completely ignoring) to be FO3? If you're going by released
titles, using that naming convention, Bethesda's FO3 should be FO3-C,
FO3-D if you count Van Buren.
4too - 04 Aug 2004 15:27 GMT
> I'm kinda curious as to where you get that FO3-B from. Do you consider
> FOT to be FO3, FO:BOS to be FO3, or now-defunct Black Isle Studios' Van
> Buren (the old FO3 that was never released, was very near done, and
> Bethesda is completely ignoring) to be FO3? If you're going by released
> titles, using that naming convention, Bethesda's FO3 should be FO3-C,
> FO3-D if you count Van Buren.
FOT and FO:BOS are unique entities so their title acronyms are close enough.
Still, the best communication is the old school where most acronyms are
spelt out at least once. Or once in a while ....
I left out the "B"= "Bethesda".
To acknowledge Bethesda Software's recent acquisition.
During the first blush of the license sale announcement, some comedian
was reaching with FO3-'BS' in a thread that was trying "Morrow-out" and
"Fall-Scrolls" for size.
In a few replys, at these other sites,the convention was to call
Interplay's, Black Isle Studios' last effort for FO3 by it's working
title "Van Buren", aka VB. Maybe that 'VB' will stick.
Unless it's an immediate issue of - which - FO3 tech demo, Interplay's
or Troika's is being discussed, I guess the correct and clearest path is
to refer to Bethesda's move to PA (Post Apocalyptic) as FO3.
4too
>I've played all three Fallout, Fallout 2, Fallout BOS when they were first
>released. And I don't think that FO3 will be anywhere near what the
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>Last I headrd most of them ended up at Osidian. If FO3 is anything like
>Elder Scrolls I won't be buying it.
Yet you bought FOBOS? Or do you mean FOTBOS?

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> I've played all three Fallout, Fallout 2, Fallout BOS when they were first
> released. And I don't think that FO3 will be anywhere near what the
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> Last I headrd most of them ended up at Osidian. If FO3 is anything like
> Elder Scrolls I won't be buying it.
There are almost no informations about the development of Fallout 3. So
rather than being angry of full of bliss, I choose to wait and see what
they have in stock for it.
I like Fallout and The Elder Scrolls. Both are pillars of CRPG but each
one in its own corner. While Bethesda would be the least plausible
developper for a Fallout 3, that's what will happen anyway. I don't
think they are stupid, they should know the Fallout fans are a picky
bunch (sometimes more than they should be) and doing a Fallout-Morrowind
thing won't be accepted by them. And if it means commercial failure, I
don't think they'll take the risk to do something too alien to Fallout.
So I just wait for now. Better that way.