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Game Forum / Role Playing Games / Fallout / July 2004The day we all waited for....FALLOUT 3
Well its finally here, Fallout 3 is in production, it is being made by bethesda, also know for their amazing elder scrolls and terminator series!! BOOO YEAH FALLOUT £ > Well its finally here, Fallout 3 is in production, it is being made by > bethesda, also know for their amazing elder scrolls and terminator series!! > > BOOO YEAH > > FALLOUT £ well, "pre"-production, at best, they only just got the license for the title afterall... and it's been in production 3 times before... give or take... but this time means it could be another 2-3 years before we even see any announcements again... and yes it's one of those days we've all been waiting for but it's not like we had much of a choice... and it's probably going to be near our worst nightmare - if you don't count FBOS... give them a chance before you critsize > > Well its finally here, Fallout 3 is in production, it is being made by > > bethesda, also know for their amazing elder scrolls and terminator [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > we had much of a choice... and it's probably going to be near our worst > nightmare - if you don't count FBOS... > give them a chance before you critsize I think I have a fair right to critisize their intentions when their PR man says it's not going to be drop down/isometric view "because that's not what they do best"... Would you like to see a 1st person shooter with the fallout title slapped on it? And it's not because there's something inherently wrong with 1st person shooters, because there's not. Hell I loved morrowind for what it was worth, but I just don't picture Fallout: A Post Apocalyptic 1st Person Shooter to be "Fallout" at all... Saying that though it can still turn out to be a good game despite going 1st person. I just think it's one hell of a bastardization of the title. It's screaming "we make money, and get ready cos we're going to exploit this franchise to make more - you see, 'that' is what we do best." > > Well its finally here, Fallout 3 is in production, it is being made by > > bethesda, also know for their amazing elder scrolls and terminator [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > we had much of a choice... and it's probably going to be near our worst > nightmare - if you don't count FBOS... This is Great! I can't wait! Where do I go to pre-order it for future generations of my family. > Well its finally here, Fallout 3 is in production, it is being made by > bethesda, also know for their amazing elder scrolls and terminator series!! > > BOOO YEAH > > FALLOUT £ Bethesda makes some great games with awesome concepts and storylines and everything else, but they suck at getting the details right. The user interface never seems quite polished (think of the quest manager in Morrowind) or they leave out some trivial feature that would really make an awesome game (like how battles in Sea Dogs take forever even at accelerated speeds). I would trust them perfectly if they had the rights to the half-completed game because it's mostly the content that's missing, and Bethesda does content great. But if they're rewriting it all, I expect something like "The Art of Magic," which would have been so cool if the camera had worked well. Why the hell don't they start with what's already been done? Why do they have to start over from scratch? -Swervy_a > > Well its finally here, Fallout 3 is in production, it is being made by > > bethesda, also know for their amazing elder scrolls and terminator series!! [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > -Swervy_a anyone play the terminator sreies on PC? Absolutley brilliant, top notch set of games, no complaints at all, i keep coming back, again and again, and while i would love to see another fallout 2, its never going to be quite the same is it? we have waited so very long for a proper fallout 3, that lets just see where bethesda is going to go with it before we start whinging at them, then again if you feel that strongly, write to them or start a petiton, let them know what the fans want, after all, they cant ignore the fans if enough of them tell them what we want, cause we are the ones who are going to buy it. Black isle is dead, long live black isle. lets see where bethesda go! > we have waited so very long for a proper fallout 3, that lets > just see where bethesda is going to go with it before we start whinging at > them We're not whinging, we're discussing and speculating and giving bethesda constructive critisism based on their announcements/PR, and that if they don't do their job properly we'll go holy handgrenade on them. > > we have waited so very long for a proper fallout 3, that lets > > just see where bethesda is going to go with it before we start whinging at [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > constructive critisism based on their announcements/PR, and that if they > don't do their job properly we'll go holy handgrenade on them. as long as its discusson, and not wingeing like they have on the gamespy board!! >> Well its finally here, Fallout 3 is in production, it is being made by >> bethesda, also know for their amazing elder scrolls and terminator series!! [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] >something like "The Art of Magic," which would have been so cool if the >camera had worked well. They leave off playtesting until it's too late to actually change anything that sucks. >Why the hell don't they start with what's already been done? Why do they >have to start over from scratch?  Signature.-'`-. / | | \ / | | \ |___|_|__ | ||<o>| <o>`| || J_ )| `|`-'__`-'|/ | `--' | .-| |_ .-' \ / | |`-. .-' `. /| | \ / ````' | | \ |_____ | | L .-' ___ `-. F F | | ||`-.___ .'.-' | `-. `. J J / | || _.> / /| | |`. \ | | |/ | ||_.-' / / | | | `. `. F F | |============================== J / | | | \ L J J | | `:::::::. `:::::::. FJ | | | |L J/ / | \ :::::::. :::::::\ J |() | () | () | () | J L/ | | ::::::: :::::::L | F | .-'_ \ | | LJ | / L :::::::: :::::::J | L | / \\ | | | L | | :::::::: ::::::::L | L || ):|| | | | /| L :::::::: ::::::::| J | ||:._.'::|| | | |----' | | :::::::: ::::::::| .---. J | |J:::::::|| | | | _/\ | :::::::: ::::::::| /(@ o`. 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VK________| L_\ ' /___/ ' | |___//______//_____`::\ |___//_________.'_________ F F J`` -'| | | | | \:_| `-' | "" | J ` | | | L | |\ |\ /| /| |\ /| | | \ | | \ | \ // // | \ || |\ J | `. | ||\\ ||\\ // // ||\\ || || L F )`---\ || >> || \\ / | << || \\ || || | J / `. ||// || || //|| \\ || || || || J J ( `-. |// | \ || |/ || \\ | \ || || || `-.__/ `---. `. |<< ||\\|| || >> ||\\|| || || | J `. ) ||\\ || \ | || // || \ | || || / | `-----' || >> || || || // || || \\ || / F ||// || || || << || || \\|| J J | / |/ || |/ \\ |/ || \ | J | |/ \| \| \| \| `-.-' K I N G O F T H E M O N S T E R S >Well its finally here, Fallout 3 is in production, it is being made by >bethesda, also know for their amazing elder scrolls and terminator series!! No, they have bought the rights. It is not in production. Bethesda are known for never making top down or turn based games. Fallout 3 will be a FPS with "rpg elements". 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VK________| L_\ ' /___/ ' | |___//______//_____`::\ |___//_________.'_________ F F J`` -'| | | | | \:_| `-' | "" | J ` | | | L | |\ |\ /| /| |\ /| | | \ | | \ | \ // // | \ || |\ J | `. | ||\\ ||\\ // // ||\\ || || L F )`---\ || >> || \\ / | << || \\ || || | J / `. ||// || || //|| \\ || || || || J J ( `-. |// | \ || |/ || \\ | \ || || || `-.__/ `---. `. |<< ||\\|| || >> ||\\|| || || | J `. ) ||\\ || \ | || // || \ | || || / | `-----' || >> || || || // || || \\ || / F ||// || || || << || || \\|| J J | / |/ || |/ \\ |/ || \ | J | |/ \| \| \| \| `-.-' K I N G O F T H E M O N S T E R S > >Well its finally here, Fallout 3 is in production, it is being made by > >bethesda, also know for their amazing elder scrolls and terminator series!! > > No, they have bought the rights. It is not in production. > Bethesda are known for never making top down or turn based games. > Fallout 3 will be a FPS with "rpg elements". yes, and ian livingstone was best know for books before tombraider >> >Well its finally here, Fallout 3 is in production, it is being made by >> >bethesda, also know for their amazing elder scrolls and terminator [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >yes, and ian livingstone was best know for books before tombraider He has been designing many varied kinds of games for over 30 years. Bethesda only make ONE kind of game - first person real time. Signature.-'`-. / | | \ / | | \ |___|_|__ | ||<o>| <o>`| || J_ )| `|`-'__`-'|/ | `--' | .-| |_ .-' \ / | |`-. .-' `. /| | \ / ````' | | \ |_____ | | L .-' ___ `-. F F | | ||`-.___ .'.-' | `-. `. J J / | || _.> / /| | |`. \ | | |/ | ||_.-' / / | | | `. `. F F | |============================== J / | | | \ L J J | | `:::::::. `:::::::. 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F J |//JJ | L |---. .--\::. \---. .---. <---< J L |< |J |\=/| ( _ \=/ _ `::\ `. \=/ _ \=/ _ \ / J |\\|J | | / )_) | (_) \::. \ | (_) | (_) | / \ |--|J |//\\ / //\ //`::\ `./\ //\ / .' \| |L ` )/ )` `' '|`---// `---// `\::. \ `---// `---' .' VK________| L_\ ' /___/ ' | |___//______//_____`::\ |___//_________.'_________ F F J`` -'| | | | | \:_| `-' | "" | J ` | | | L | |\ |\ /| /| |\ /| | | \ | | \ | \ // // | \ || |\ J | `. | ||\\ ||\\ // // ||\\ || || L F )`---\ || >> || \\ / | << || \\ || || | J / `. ||// || || //|| \\ || || || || J J ( `-. |// | \ || |/ || \\ | \ || || || `-.__/ `---. `. |<< ||\\|| || >> ||\\|| || || | J `. ) ||\\ || \ | || // || \ | || || / | `-----' || >> || || || // || || \\ || / F ||// || || || << || || \\|| J J | / |/ || |/ \\ |/ || \ | J | |/ \| \| \| \| `-.-' K I N G O F T H E M O N S T E R S > >> >Well its finally here, Fallout 3 is in production, it is being made by > >> >bethesda, also know for their amazing elder scrolls and terminator [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > He has been designing many varied kinds of games for over 30 years. > Bethesda only make ONE kind of game - first person real time. think of it this way, it could have been a lot worse, NO FALLOUT 3 NOW SHUDDAP AND LET THEM WORK > think of it this way, it could have been a lot worse, NO FALLOUT 3 > > NOW SHUDDAP AND LET THEM WORK bethesda don't make bad games, in fact I don't even think fo3 in 1st person will be a bad game... And Until they start getting in financial trouble, bethesda will continue to make top notch games... But until otherwise announced they will all be 1st person shooters and at best we'll see a fallouty interface... If the license had been given to troika we could've been 95% certain it would be made very true to the series with bird-view, TB or a TB/RT hybrid, 2d or damn good 3d or mix and all the other goodies. Now we can be 95% certain that it won't. Maybe YOU don't mind that, but there are those who do. And If we shut up and let them tear the franchise apart then we can't complain after release... so, BAAAAD idea, mmkay? ;) rant and rave yer hearts out... > > think of it this way, it could have been a lot worse, NO FALLOUT 3 > > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > complain after release... so, BAAAAD idea, mmkay? ;) > rant and rave yer hearts out... Now, if by rant and rave, you mean write and tell bethesda, then go for it, just dont moan here > > And If we shut up and let them tear the franchise apart then we can't > > complain after release... so, BAAAAD idea, mmkay? ;) > > rant and rave yer hearts out... > > Now, if by rant and rave, you mean write and tell bethesda, then go for it, > just dont moan here And why not? really, why not?... What good is it going to do in some endless pile of junk mail? We may as well get a good discussion out of it here instead... Besides look at all these posts... Almost looks as if the group is coming alive again, how can that possibly be bad! - forget that about 50% of the posts are mine ;) Anyway, if you blindly trust the developers I beg you take a look at f:bos... Now, bethesda probably is a fair level above that standard, but if they don't get knocked some senses into them it's likely we will be flat out disappointed, just like with FOT. FOT which had great graphics and atmosphere and an above average combat system, lacked just about everything else. > > > And If we shut up and let them tear the franchise apart then we can't > > > complain after release... so, BAAAAD idea, mmkay? ;) [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > atmosphere and an above average combat system, lacked just about everything > else. yes you make a good point Discuss, NOT MOAN There is a difference, but then i might just be biased seeing the crap coming out of the gamespy boards. >> >> >Well its finally here, Fallout 3 is in production, it is being made by >> >> >bethesda, also know for their amazing elder scrolls and terminator [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > >NOW SHUDDAP AND LET THEM WORK I really doubt this discussion is preventing them from working on the game. Twat. Signature.-'`-. / | | \ / | | \ |___|_|__ | ||<o>| <o>`| || J_ )| `|`-'__`-'|/ | `--' | .-| |_ .-' \ / | |`-. .-' `. /| | \ / ````' | | \ |_____ | | L .-' ___ `-. 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LJ | \:::::/ | | | |---'\ | | :::::::: ::::::::| | /^^^ J L | `-:-' | | | F | \ | J :::::::: ::::::::| \ . \vvv LJ()| () | () | () | F F | \ \--._L :::::::: ::::::::| \ `--' J \ | | | | J J \ | | :::::::: ::::::::| \ `. \ \| | | | / / | | | :::::::: ::::::::| L \ \ \ | | |/ /| | | .-'| :::::::: ::::::::| | \ `.`. | | .'.' | | |/ /`L :::::::: ::::::::| | L | `.`-.____|.-'.-' | | | <`. \ :::::::: ::::::::| | | | | `-.______.-' | \| |_`::\ `. :::::::: ::::::::| F | | J\ | | | | /: \::. \:::::::: ::::::::F / | | L\|--| | _.--|:: `::\ `.:::::: .:::::::J / F J J |\\|-.____ |__.-' |: \::. \:::: ::::::::F .' J L \| >|| `--' J |' .`::\ `.:' .::::::::/ .' F J |//JJ | L |---. .--\::. \---. .---. <---< J L |< |J |\=/| ( _ \=/ _ `::\ `. \=/ _ \=/ _ \ / J |\\|J | | / )_) | (_) \::. \ | (_) | (_) | / \ |--|J |//\\ / //\ //`::\ `./\ //\ / .' \| |L ` )/ )` `' '|`---// `---// `\::. \ `---// `---' .' VK________| L_\ ' /___/ ' | |___//______//_____`::\ |___//_________.'_________ F F J`` -'| | | | | \:_| `-' | "" | J ` | | | L | |\ |\ /| /| |\ /| | | \ | | \ | \ // // | \ || |\ J | `. | ||\\ ||\\ // // ||\\ || || L F )`---\ || >> || \\ / | << || \\ || || | J / `. ||// || || //|| \\ || || || || J J ( `-. |// | \ || |/ || \\ | \ || || || `-.__/ `---. `. |<< ||\\|| || >> ||\\|| || || | J `. ) ||\\ || \ | || // || \ | || || / | `-----' || >> || || || // || || \\ || / F ||// || || || << || || \\|| J J | / |/ || |/ \\ |/ || \ | J | |/ \| \| \| \| `-.-' K I N G O F T H E M O N S T E R S > >> >> >Well its finally here, Fallout 3 is in production, it is being made by > >> >> >bethesda, also know for their amazing elder scrolls and terminator [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > I really doubt this discussion is preventing them from working on the > game. Twat. comments like that really are not helpful, the comment is made to stop people bitching about a game, when no details have been officially released yet! >>>>>>>Well its finally here, Fallout 3 is in production, it is being made > [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > people bitching about a game, when no details have been officially released > yet! I really hope this is untrue. Fallout 1 and 2 are both simply the best RPGs that ever existed. Fallout 3 has the opportunity to be even better. Making it an 'fps with rpg elements' would be rather lame, instead why don't they stick to a good 2d engine? The things that really drew me in about fallout 1/2 were the openness of the game, as well as the atmosphere. The graphics had great style, the music fit with the game and was NEVER boring, and the game itself was just AWESOME. I've never played fallout tactics, but i've heard it was pretty good too. Turning this excellent series of RPGs into an FPS would ruin the franchise. <snip> > >>>>>>No, they have bought the rights. It is not in production. > >>>>>>Bethesda are known for never making top down or turn based games. > >>>>>>Fallout 3 will be a FPS with "rpg elements". <snip> > I really hope this is untrue. Fallout 1 and 2 are both simply the best > RPGs that ever existed. Fallout 3 has the opportunity to be even [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > pretty good too. Turning this excellent series of RPGs into an FPS > would ruin the franchise. I agree. I like FPS games, but for a Fallout RPG I'd rather not have to deal with the keyboard and mouse gymnastics involved. The turn-based combat really worked well for the series, imho especially in FOT. ~Homer > I agree. I like FPS games, but for a Fallout RPG I'd rather not have to deal > with the keyboard and mouse gymnastics involved. The turn-based combat really > worked well for the series, imho especially in FOT. I'm sorry, but I think it's safe to say that turn based is a finished chapter for RPG's, it's not going to happen again. Hybrids like baldurs gate's system of course are not too unlikely. On that account, I think FOT showed us that turn-based wasn't dead necessary, in fact seing multiple guns and explosions going off at the same time was really pretty cool from an action-game point of view. What do you think? I know FOT wasn't too well recieved, but was it the RT/TB hybrid that limited its success? Because I don't think so... > > I agree. I like FPS games, but for a Fallout RPG I'd rather not have > > to [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > I'm sorry, but I think it's safe to say that turn based is a finished > chapter for RPG's, it's not going to happen again. Why ? AFAIK there are a lot of people interested in tactical elements in RPG (which you don't get in RT games). > Hybrids like baldurs gate's system of course are not too unlikely. > On that account, I think FOT showed us that turn-based wasn't dead > necessary, in fact seing multiple guns and explosions going off at the > same time was really pretty cool from an action-game point of view. > What do you think? I know FOT wasn't too well recieved, but was it the > RT/TB hybrid that limited its success? Because I don't think so... Me neither. RT/TB is a really neat feature, like vehicles. What killed FO:T was the comparison with FO1 & 2. You played in a known universe, but without the openendedness you were expecting (trying killling a brotherhood officer because you dislike your orders...), and without the amazing details and deep storyline of the RPGs. Would it have been released on its own, it would have been a somewhat good post-apocalyptic UFO clone. About Bethesda doing Fallout 3, I think we should not forget they did Daggerfall and Morrowind, 2 rather good games. They only do 1st person RPG, but they do it rather well. As to wether this would fit the Fallout universe... I don't know. I guess it's the writer's job to make us forget the original, good old 2d view with enough immersing feature. That's a job I wouldn't like having to do. Maybe they'll add a "Fallout Jihadists throwing stones at a game designer" random encounter in their game :) Signaturecaffeine (at) altern :: org > > > I agree. I like FPS games, but for a Fallout RPG I'd rather not have > > > to [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > Jihadists throwing stones at a game designer" random encounter in their > game :) well, if they do do a fps, i hope they do keep random encounters, not just monsters or scripted players!! > comments like that really are not helpful, the comment is made to stop > people bitching about a game, when no details have been officially released > yet! but some details HAS been officially released! even if it's still vague... >> >> >> >Well its finally here, Fallout 3 is in production, it is being made >by [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] >people bitching about a game, when no details have been officially released >yet! Why would you try to do that? Are you a nazi? Signature.-'`-. / | | \ / | | \ |___|_|__ | ||<o>| <o>`| || J_ )| `|`-'__`-'|/ | `--' | .-| |_ .-' \ / | |`-. .-' `. /| | \ / ````' | | \ |_____ | | L .-' ___ `-. F F | | ||`-.___ .'.-' | `-. `. 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Check us out today! > >> >Well its finally here, Fallout 3 is in production, it is being made by > >> >bethesda, also know for their amazing elder scrolls and terminator [quoted text clipped - 60 lines] > J | |/ \| \| \| \| > `-.-' K I N G O F T H E M O N S T E R S > >Well its finally here, Fallout 3 is in production, it is being made by > >bethesda, also know for their amazing elder scrolls and terminator series!! > > No, they have bought the rights. It is not in production. > Bethesda are known for never making top down or turn based games. > Fallout 3 will be a FPS with "rpg elements". Let's just hope that there are some genuine fans among the developers. I think that to most fans the atmosphere, story, and "RPG elements" are a lot more important than the details of the game engine and interface (as long as it works). Also the market is full of linear style games. I hope that the path is fairly open. ~Homer >> >Well its finally here, Fallout 3 is in production, it is being made by >> >bethesda, also know for their amazing elder scrolls and terminator series!! [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >works). Also the market is full of linear style games. I hope that the path is >fairly open. The perspective has everything to do with the atmosphere. Signature.-'`-. / | | \ / | | \ |___|_|__ | ||<o>| <o>`| || J_ )| `|`-'__`-'|/ | `--' | .-| |_ .-' \ / | |`-. .-' `. /| | \ / ````' | | \ |_____ | | L .-' ___ `-. F F | | ||`-.___ .'.-' | `-. `. J J / | || _.> / /| | |`. \ | | |/ | ||_.-' / / | | | `. `. F F | |============================== J / | | | \ L J J | | `:::::::. `:::::::. FJ | | | |L J/ / | \ :::::::. :::::::\ J |() | () | () | () | J L/ | | ::::::: :::::::L | F | .-'_ \ | | LJ | / L :::::::: :::::::J | L | / \\ | | | L | | :::::::: ::::::::L | L || ):|| | | | /| L :::::::: ::::::::| J | ||:._.'::|| | | |----' | | :::::::: ::::::::| .---. 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VK________| L_\ ' /___/ ' | |___//______//_____`::\ |___//_________.'_________ F F J`` -'| | | | | \:_| `-' | "" | J ` | | | L | |\ |\ /| /| |\ /| | | \ | | \ | \ // // | \ || |\ J | `. | ||\\ ||\\ // // ||\\ || || L F )`---\ || >> || \\ / | << || \\ || || | J / `. ||// || || //|| \\ || || || || J J ( `-. |// | \ || |/ || \\ | \ || || || `-.__/ `---. `. |<< ||\\|| || >> ||\\|| || || | J `. ) ||\\ || \ | || // || \ | || || / | `-----' || >> || || || // || || \\ || / F ||// || || || << || || \\|| J J | / |/ || |/ \\ |/ || \ | J | |/ \| \| \| \| `-.-' K I N G O F T H E M O N S T E R S > Well its finally here, Fallout 3 is in production, it is being made by > bethesda, also know for their amazing elder scrolls and terminator [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > FALLOUT £ I thing the fact it is is a multiplatform title will mean that horrible word "Compromise" plays a big part in it's development. Fallout will likely be: -Very simplified. Most of the things that make Fallout Fallout will be gone. No mature content. Much less dialogue. Less sidequests. Less open-ended -It'll probably be more like that those awful games; D&D, BG:DA and the Fallout clone that was recently released, than like Fallout 1 or 2. -Turn based combat completely gone or at the very least heavily biased towards real-time action (Morrowind has many good things, but it's combat system is perhaps one of the worst ever in a RPG) Woudn't get too excited until some game screenshots or further details are released. Don't get me wrong I love Fallout 1 and 2 and all of Bioware/Black Isle's PC RPGs more than anything, but if current trends are anything to go by, Fallout 3 will NOT be what we all hope it will be. Bugger. -- Burning_Ranger > I thing the fact it is is a multiplatform title will mean that horrible word > "Compromise" plays a big part in it's development. [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > Burning_Ranger Deja vu all over again: Here is what was being discussed a year ago... (copied from July 7 2003 post) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Roger Aario wrote: > "Filip van den Bergh" wrote in message > news:be3f89$ql09$1@ID-171954.news.dfncis.de... [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > What does that mean exactly? Will there be a full turn-based > mode or will it be hybridized ala the Bioware D&D games? The drift appears a FO for everyone, including consoles. It is openly discussed that those that make all the important 'marketing' decisions are wanting to see a flavor of "real time". The general drift of FO system changes by JE of BIS is everything is negociable. JE has a lot of ideas and it's an interesting read. Expect changes.... <deleted> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Does this mean that in May 2005 we will be discussing the demise of Bethesda? ~Homer Who hopes to be playing TB, Top-down, Faithful to the Bible (Gospel according to Saint Chris), Open-ended, Side-questing, Mature-content-capable, Fallout 3 in 2005. >>>> No mutants allowed has an interview with one of the creative >>>> producers of a project titled Van Buren. [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > The general drift of FO system changes by JE of BIS is everything is > negociable. JE has a lot of ideas and it's an interesting read. That Van Buren was a different game was it not? Not related to Fallout. -- Burning_Ranger > >>>> No mutants allowed has an interview with one of the creative > >>>> producers of a project titled Van Buren. <deleted> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Burning_Ranger "Van Buren" was Black Isle's project name for Fallout 3. About a year ago it was in development and the dicussion was uncannily similar to what we have now. It seemed to be moving along pretty well until Interplay self-destructed... http://www.nma-fallout.com/content.php?page=fo3-history Here's the screenshot from when hope ended in December '03: http://www.nma-fallout.com/fallout3/fo3mm.png >>>>>>No mutants allowed has an interview with one of the creative >>>>>>producers of a project titled Van Buren. <deleted> [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > http://www.nma-fallout.com/fallout3/fo3mm.png The news announcements of FO:BOS and Van Buren, and the subsequent activity on the FO, RPG, and all inclusive, fan sites might be a constructive comparison on sending dev's out to publicize a game in progress. If one had an academic "arcane foot notation" mindset or a sports-journalistic "thrill of victory" fervor, one might be able to pick apart the performance of the lead men, and the value of timing, [such as which launched first (FO:BOS)], and the power of personality and style. My impression is that "JE et al", JE (Sawyer) - and all - the dev's on the VB team (Puuk and Briarenus come to mind) did an excellent job in meeting the demands for information and selling their image on how the game would look and play. 'JE et al' sold a "FO" sequal, not a FO2 mod, that would - challenge - the FO veterans. VB to this day, if one polled opinions, persona to persona, at NMA and DAC, a full spectrum from enthusiasm to rejection would be apparent, AND possibley a universal call of "" bring it on "". One of the best reads was a JE persona (ropekid) led discussion at SA, (Something Awful). SA at that time was a neutral turf or country, like a Switzerland, where FO fans of all persuasions could witness the varied opinions of another group of "play'ah's". This contrasts to the more recent flurry of flamers that have been bouncing from website to website at the news of Bethesda getting the FO license. The moral tone was more like what was gushing about FO:BOS. Each domain- FO - Morrowind/TES - and - SA has their own sub sets of competitive purveyors of baiting negativity. Image if there was an Warcraft/Warlords RTS game adapted to a RPG format, based on the Land Of OZ, and each compass point had their respective flavor of witch. It is now time to pack up your ToTo and march your tin man, lion, and scarecrow to the next fed ex drop off before the 4 or more colors of flying monkeys fill up the band width. It may be safe now to go to these sites and see discourse on FO3-B(Bethesda) without the tedious text crunching of page after page of broken record arguments, and the weary hooks of trolls. A quick run through might bring one up to speed with the 'buzz', so whenever something real emerges one can see where each fount of opinion springs from. 4too > I thing the fact it is is a multiplatform title will mean that horrible word > "Compromise" plays a big part in it's development. > > Fallout will likely be: > -Very simplified. Most of the things that make Fallout Fallout will be gone. > No mature content. Much less dialogue. Less sidequests. Less open-ended Not necessarily true. There are tons of games on consoles with over the top mature content. Fallout 2 is demure compared to some. Knights of the Old Republic had tons of sidequests and dialogue. Deus Ex 2 was full of talking most of the time. Morrowind was so open ended that many people fell off completely. You're essentially prejudging the game before it's even been designed. There are good games out there for both PC and consoles that were not dumbed down or simplified (Thief 3, Morrowind, KOTOR), and they won't be the last. SignatureDarin Johnson Support your right to own gnus. >> I thing the fact it is is a multiplatform title will mean that >> horrible word "Compromise" plays a big part in it's development. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Not necessarily true. There are tons of games on consoles with over > the top mature content. When I say 'mature' I don't mean adult rated. The violence and sex in GTA is adult rated, but it is not what you would call mature, it's extremely childish. A game can have mature content without having any explicit violence or sexual themes. Look at PlaneScape: Torment, not exactly full of violence and sex but probably one of the more mature games out there. The Fallout: BOS game on consoles is an example of adult content that is immature. > Fallout 2 is demure compared to some. > Knights of the Old Republic had tons of sidequests and dialogue Played it, finished it. Maybe I'm spoilt by the likes of Baldur's Gate and fallout but I found Knights of the Old Republic very restrictive, the areas to explore felt way too small and didn't have that many sidequests (compared to Bioware's other RPGs at least). It felt like 'light' RPG. > Deus > Ex 2 was full of talking most of the time. I've played Deus Ex 1 and 2. I would say both are FPSs with a a few RPG elements. But they are still both shooters. I can't remember there being THAT much dialogue in Deus Ex 2. >Morrowind was so open > ended that many people fell off completely. Yes, it really did go to show that a almost completely open-ended RPG is possible. One of my favourite games, but awful awful combat. But still a fantastic game. > You're essentially prejudging the game before it's even been designed. Well yes of course, but based on current and past trends I'd say my pre-judging is going to turn out more correct than incorrect. Unfortunately. > There are good games out there for both PC and consoles that were not > dumbed down or simplified (Thief 3, Morrowind, KOTOR), and they won't > be the last. Only two of those are proper RPGs, and KOTOR doesn't have a prequel for one to compare it to. It's the first in it's series, if it was an action game it would be judged as an action game, it IS a fairly simple RPG as thus it is judged as a fairly simple RPG. If Fallout 3 was an original creation insted of a sequel, no one would have any expectations of it, but as it is it's the sequel to two of the best RPGs ever made and has a lot to live up to. -- Burning_Ranger > When I say 'mature' I don't mean adult rated. The violence and sex in GTA is > adult rated, but it is not what you would call mature, it's extremely > childish. You mean like the drugs and porn in Fallout 2? SignatureDarin Johnson Gravity is a harsh mistress -- The Tick > > When I say 'mature' I don't mean adult rated. The violence and sex in GTA is > > adult rated, but it is not what you would call mature, it's extremely > > childish. > > You mean like the drugs and porn in Fallout 2? i think hes talking more of the moral and ethical choices >>> When I say 'mature' I don't mean adult rated. The violence and sex >>> in GTA is adult rated, but it is not what you would call mature, [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > i think hes talking more of the moral and ethical choices Exactly. Most games are like GTA, a kid's version of morality with black & whtie concepts of right and wrong, without repercussions of any sort. Games like Fallout on the other hand have moralistic stories where helping one person can result in the death of someone else. This is what roleplaying is about after all; repercussions. -- Burning_Ranger To email: aziz@aziz1removethisbit.fsnet.co.uk >>>>When I say 'mature' I don't mean adult rated. The violence and sex >>>>in GTA is adult rated, but it is not what you would call mature, [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > person can result in the death of someone else. This is what roleplaying is > about after all; repercussions. Except that for Fallout you had writers behind who wanted to give that kind of choices, GTA games were created with having fun doing illegal things in mind and not in a serious manner. Games such as Planescape: Torment or Fallout have different purposes and different ways to approach adult themes (and it may not mean something illegal or sexual but something of philosophical nature). |
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