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Game Forum / Role Playing Games / EverQuest / June 2003How much faction does the shaman epic really require.
The one walk thru I've been able to find for the shaman epic suggests, cryptically: Note: The entire quest is faction based. This means that are able to skip the latter parts by doing the first ones over and over again until you max your True Spirit faction. Once you have max faction, you can go straight to Lord Rak'Ashiir and turn in your child's tear. However, this can be very time consuming and is not recommended. Well, I got up to the page collection bit on my own (had an alt do the Black Dire part, but not a raid sized force or anything like that). Next step was Lord Ghiosk's books. So I did that with my cleric and a partner, and then looted books with shaman and turned them in too. Managed to get things cleared out of my way to get the Icon from under the temple, too. Then I was stuck, a trip deep into the Hole wasn't going to happen with a single group, and I was on the outs enough with my guild to not go asking them for favors like a raid to help my second alt get his epic. Looking back at the paragraph I quoted above, though, there's some hope; The Hole and what it leads to do nothing but generate faction hits. Big ones, I'm sure, but I'm getting faction hits from pages and from Ghiosk books. So I'm hanging out in COM whenever I'm not doing anything else, collecting pages. And it turns out people kill Lord G for the exp and have no use for the books, I've done books turn in 4 times and Pages three times. Finally, I'm Ally. But not "max ally." So in this case, is Ally enough or do I have to keep doing the quests till I get "this faction can't get any better" messages? How far, relatively speaking, is the distance from Ally to Max Ally, anyway, is it the same as from Warmly to Ally, more, less? Anyone have other walkthru's on the shaman epic I can look at that might shed more light. Other than maxing out faction, I need to get into Fear and get an Iksar Child's Tear. One group of 65s should be able to kill Fright, Terror, Dread in order to spawn the Iksar Berserker, yes? Just need someone willing to take the DT to pull them. I've done lord Rak with one cleric one mage both at 60, so I have little fear of that part, other perhaps than the fact that my shaman will have to die and then I'll have to log the cleric -in- to help the mage... Paax, 49 shaman, Morel Thule Lance Berg <emporer@dejazzd.com> wrote in news:3EF74DA9.50B1F1A4 @dejazzd.com: > The one walk thru I've been able to find for the shaman epic > suggests, cryptically: [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > However, this can be very time consuming and is not > recommended. <snip> > So in this case, is Ally enough or do I have to keep doing the > quests till I get "this faction can't get any better" messages? [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Anyone have other walkthru's on the shaman epic I can look at > that might shed more light. I cannot answer as to how much faction you actually need, other than I am almost certain I was not max ally when I finished mine, but I did all the steps, some more than once. > Other than maxing out faction, I need to get into Fear and get an > Iksar Child's Tear. One group of 65s should be able to kill > Fright, Terror, Dread in order to spawn the Iksar Berserker, > yes? Just need someone willing to take the DT to pull them. Iksar Broodling, level 1 iksar, one smack and it's dead. You only need to kill one of the golems to spawn him, if all you need is one tear. Two of them will spawn a broodling, one will not, don't recall which is which off hand, but, the non DTing one is one of the ones that will spawn the broodling. > I've done lord Rak with one cleric one mage both at 60, so I have > little fear of that part, other perhaps than the fact that my > shaman will have to die and then I'll have to log the cleric -in- > to help the mage... Should not be a problem, don't get agro with the mage, let shaman die, camp, bring in cleric, start fight. You have 30 minutes until he despawns as I recall. Personally, I would want more there to do it than those two, as they have changed things with resists and such some time back, and from personal experience, despite what I have seen posted, the mage fire pet is far from immune to the AoE. (yes, the mage debuffed to under 100 FR). YMMV.  SignatureOn Erollisi Marr in <Sanctuary of Marr> Venerable Graeme Faelban, Barbarian Oracle of 63 seasons Tainniel Fleabane, Halfling Warrior of 30 seasons Giluven, Wood Elf Druid of 25 seasons Graeniel, High Elf Enchanter of 25 seasons On Test Emgraeme, Gnome Wizard of 25 seasons > Lance Berg <emporer@dejazzd.com> wrote in news:3EF74DA9.50B1F1A4 > @dejazzd.com: [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > experience, despite what I have seen posted, the mage fire pet is far > from immune to the AoE. (yes, the mage debuffed to under 100 FR). YMMV. Yes, unless you have easy access to get a second iksar child's tear should the first try fail, I would have more people there. We had a mage friend who had duoed rak'ashiir with one cleric many many times, but when he tried to do this for us, it was a horrific wipe and my husband lost his tear. The mage was horrified/stunned, and we concluded that resists must have changed for his pets at some point. Fortunately a kind GM returned Rakyn's tear to him, but I wouldnt' count on that working again. I think it used to work this way, but by the time our turn had come, something was changed. And BTW, my husband also skipped the Hole, though in our case it was a day of doing the turn-in of the shield and dagger from Rathe Mountains alternating with getting the gem from the lesser spirit and turning that in. Worked just fine. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Foxeye Vaeltaja 58 Half-Elven Outrider Nearsighted Ranger of Xev (Retired) "I was just saying that basically if I tried to tell everyone a tree is a tree while they think it's a vegetable then they're going to think I'm a fruit." - Zardak Zephiroth, Outrider on Xev > Lance Berg <emporer@dejazzd.com> wrote in news:3EF74DA9.50B1F1A4 > @dejazzd.com: [quoted text clipped - 49 lines] > pet is far from immune to the AoE. (yes, the mage debuffed to under > 100 FR). YMMV. Many mages have reported their firepet being eaten by Rak now. The best way to beat him now is just a 65 tank and DPS. We did him with 65 ranger tank, 62 water pet, 55 rogue, the shaman, 64 cleric, 65 druid. All I did was heal the aoe damage on my pet, far easier now that I have the 64 heal. The ae is fairly infrequent, so it's fairly easy to heal it on top of the melee damage he does. Sean Kennedy <x@n.n> wrote in news:Xns93A38521A6201skennedy34hotmailcom@ 207.225.159.6: >> Lance Berg <emporer@dejazzd.com> wrote in news:3EF74DA9.50B1F1A4 >> @dejazzd.com: [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > fairly infrequent, so it's fairly easy to heal it on top of > the melee damage he does. Definitely my recommendation as well. I have heard of mages reporting that it has worked for them since the changes, but I also know from personal experience with 3, yes 3, mages with fire pets that it can fail miserably as well. My last guild has done the encounter successfully several times, using two clerics, and two tanks(61+ SK/Paladin/Warrior/Ranger), anything beyond that was just gravy. SignatureOn Erollisi Marr in <Sanctuary of Marr> Venerable Graeme Faelban, Barbarian Oracle of 63 seasons Tainniel Fleabane, Halfling Warrior of 30 seasons Giluven, Wood Elf Druid of 25 seasons Graeniel, High Elf Enchanter of 25 seasons On Test Emgraeme, Gnome Wizard of 25 seasons > Many mages have reported their firepet being eaten by Rak now. I happened to have done Rak yesterday with my mage. Though the time BEFORE (a few months back) he was chewed up and spit out quite easily, with my mage's level 58 fire pet (previous was the 49 pet) he wasn't affected (or some healer was really on his/her toes, which wasn't likely yesterday). >> Many mages have reported their firepet being eaten by Rak now. > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > affected (or some healer was really on his/her toes, which wasn't > likely yesterday). That's the thing, it seems to be real hit and miss now. So far, the mages I have talked to that have tried it and failed have all said they did everything the way they are supposed to do it. One had the 58 fire pet, and it was affected, one had the 49 pet, it was affected, one had epic pet, and it was affected, but, we actually would have won that one, but for poor positioning. In all cases, the mage had his FR well below 100 before summoning the pet. SignatureOn Erollisi Marr in <Sanctuary of Marr> Venerable Graeme Faelban, Barbarian Oracle of 63 seasons Tainniel Fleabane, Halfling Warrior of 30 seasons Giluven, Wood Elf Druid of 25 seasons Graeniel, High Elf Enchanter of 25 seasons On Test Emgraeme, Gnome Wizard of 25 seasons > > I happened to have done Rak yesterday with my mage. Though the time > > BEFORE (a few months back) he was chewed up and spit out quite easily, [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > but for poor positioning. In all cases, the mage had his FR well below > 100 before summoning the pet. My mage had his FR up to about 130. Soooo, maybe they changed the rules again. >> > I happened to have done Rak yesterday with my mage. Though the time >> > BEFORE (a few months back) he was chewed up and spit out quite easily, [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > My mage had his FR up to about 130. Soooo, maybe they changed the rules > again. No clue at all, based on my experience doing Rak about 10 time now, including two completely failed, and one barely salvaged attempt, I'd go with a good MA with good FR, and healers. Just my personal opinion based on experience. SignatureOn Erollisi Marr in <Sanctuary of Marr> Venerable Graeme Faelban, Barbarian Oracle of 63 seasons Tainniel Fleabane, Halfling Warrior of 30 seasons Giluven, Wood Elf Druid of 25 seasons Graeniel, High Elf Enchanter of 25 seasons On Test Emgraeme, Gnome Wizard of 25 seasons > No clue at all, based on my experience doing Rak about 10 time now, > including two completely failed, and one barely salvaged attempt, I'd go > with a good MA with good FR, and healers. Just my personal opinion based > on experience. Oh sure, me too. The more melee types the faster he'll go down, and the fewer people who die. Granted my guild has a median level of 60, we aren't a raid guild but Rak was extremely trivial to us with a couple groups the other day. The ghost was dead inside 30 seconds probably. > One had the 58 fire >pet, and it was affected, one had the 49 pet, it was affected, one had >epic pet, and it was affected, but, we actually would have won that one, >but for poor positioning. In all cases, the mage had his FR well below >100 before summoning the pet. Well above 100, I assume you meant? The cutoff seems to be somewhere around 200 FR for Rak. I can keep a 60+ tank alive indefinitely against him if the tank's FR is over 200. I have duo'd him with a 65 SK before, messing around trying to get Jade Reavers for some friends and made the rest of the group watch while we tried him. We got owned on our first attempt w/o FR buffs. 2nd attempt was trivial once we buffed correctly. Rgds, Frank >The one walk thru I've been able to find for the shaman epic >suggests, cryptically: [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] >go asking them for favors like a raid to help my second alt get >his epic. Don't overestimate the Hole, if you have a puller that's familiar with the place you can do it with a duo. Alternately, if you have a 60+ cleric and pally/SK to help, you can paradrop in. Both DA and jump in the hole from Paneel, kill the 4 roamers at the bottom and you have about 10 mobs to get through to get to the undead tower. IVU and run up. Kirn is an easy duo for high 50s shaman/tank. >Looking back at the paragraph I quoted above, though, there's >some hope; The Hole and what it leads to do nothing but generate [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >So in this case, is Ally enough or do I have to keep doing the >quests till I get "this faction can't get any better" messages? I'd assume max ally for the tear. It might not be quite max but the final turnin has your true-spirit faction maxed out. >Other than maxing out faction, I need to get into Fear and get an >Iksar Child's Tear. One group of 65s should be able to kill >Fright, Terror, Dread in order to spawn the Iksar Berserker, >yes? Just need someone willing to take the DT to pull them. 2 of the 3 mini-bosses can spawn the child, I forget which two though. That's the only fight in the shaman epic that can't be duo'd these days. Rgds, Frank Frank E <FrankE@hotmail.com> wrote in news:z4P3Prl6rYhPo0PCoZ==Q8sYMWgO@ 4ax.com: >>The one walk thru I've been able to find for the shaman epic >>suggests, cryptically: [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > about 10 mobs to get through to get to the undead tower. IVU and run > up. Kirn is an easy duo for high 50s shaman/tank. Just double check that Yael isn't up first. We went in to do some epic mobs a few days ago, and Yael was up, fortunately, we did check with a nonkos rogue first. So, we fought down to Yael, killed him after doing the epic mobs we needed. Also on the paradrop, it is possible for anyone to jump in and not die, but you have to do it just right, and you have to get lucky. I am going to give it a go with a <10 character a few times to see if I understand it correctly now. Basically, you back off the ledge right at a crack with levitate going, stay at the crack, against the wall, look up, and keep running at the crack while you plummet. I know of several people who have done it successfully. I had also heard that you can avoid the damage, or some of it by jumping prior to landing, but, I can't vouch for that. SignatureOn Erollisi Marr in <Sanctuary of Marr> Venerable Graeme Faelban, Barbarian Oracle of 63 seasons Tainniel Fleabane, Halfling Warrior of 30 seasons Giluven, Wood Elf Druid of 25 seasons Graeniel, High Elf Enchanter of 25 seasons On Test Emgraeme, Gnome Wizard of 25 seasons >Just double check that Yael isn't up first. We went in to do some epic >mobs a few days ago, and Yael was up, fortunately, we did check with a >nonkos rogue first. So, we fought down to Yael, killed him after doing >the epic mobs we needed. Yeah, I really should've mentioned that, could be a nasty welcome on the drop. These days he might actually be up for more than a few hours. We used to do a lot of exping in the Hole, down by the dock, and would not see Yael on track for months at a stretch. Last time we headeded in (a couple of weeks ago) we actually had to take the long way down because he was up. I do hope they get around to raising the level range there, that zone has always been a favorite of mine. Rgds, Frank Frank E <FrankE@hotmail.com> wrote in news:mWj4PjaiLz+WoV96ILWiiRHTFGJ9@ 4ax.com: >>Just double check that Yael isn't up first. We went in to do some epic >>mobs a few days ago, and Yael was up, fortunately, we did check with a [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > I do hope they get around to raising the level range there, that zone > has always been a favorite of mine. That time was the first time I had ever seen yael up. At level 62, on a raid, xp was not half bad actually. SignatureOn Erollisi Marr in <Sanctuary of Marr> Venerable Graeme Faelban, Barbarian Oracle of 63 seasons Tainniel Fleabane, Halfling Warrior of 30 seasons Giluven, Wood Elf Druid of 25 seasons Graeniel, High Elf Enchanter of 25 seasons On Test Emgraeme, Gnome Wizard of 25 seasons > way to get the Icon from under the temple, too. Then I was > stuck, a trip deep into the Hole wasn't going to happen with a > single group, and I was on the outs enough with my guild to not > go asking them for favors like a raid to help my second alt get > his epic. Actually, a single group can do the Hole part of the Shaman epic without problems. We did it this weekend with 7, but from what I could tell, it would have worked just as well without me. Here was the lineup: 62 Warrior 65 Ranger ?? Monk ?? Shaman 62 Cleric 55 Enchanter 56 Wizard (me) We are a casual guild...not even up to NTOV yet, and no one had any uber equipment. The Monk and Shaman were mid-to-high 50's. On the way to Kirn, we had one death, when we got 4 mobs at once while going through the city, and the Enchanter went down before getting the first mez off. We managed to kill them all anyway. After Kirn, we decided to go all the way to the bottom, and had one more tough fight while leaving the undead tower. We got a bunch of adds, and had 8 mobs to fight, but no one died. We then went to take a look at the Scalekeeper for the Warrior epic. He was up, and, without knowing *anything* about him (hell, the Warrior had to go check the net to see if we were supposed to kill him or talk to him :-)), we tried him. Man, that was funny. In about 5 seconds, everyone but me and the Cleric was dead. Since I hadn't attacked, and the Cleric had not gotten a single heal off, we were stiff indifferent to the Scalekeeper, so were fine. Turns out the Scalekeeper has a 1500 point lifetap. I don't know if it is supposed to be a random proc, but if it is, we got very unlucky. It went off on every swing. Anyway, give it a try with one group. You can probably do it. SignatureEvidence Eliminator is worthless: www.evidence-eliminator-sucks.com --Tim Smith >> way to get the Icon from under the temple, too. Then I was >> stuck, a trip deep into the Hole wasn't going to happen with a [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > We are a casual guild...not even up to NTOV yet, and no one had any > uber equipment. Definitely one group doable with a casual guild, having done it as well. SignatureOn Erollisi Marr in <Sanctuary of Marr> Venerable Graeme Faelban, Barbarian Oracle of 63 seasons Tainniel Fleabane, Halfling Warrior of 30 seasons Giluven, Wood Elf Druid of 25 seasons Graeniel, High Elf Enchanter of 25 seasons On Test Emgraeme, Gnome Wizard of 25 seasons > The one walk thru I've been able to find for the shaman epic > suggests, cryptically: <snip> > I've done lord Rak with one cleric one mage both at 60, so I have > little fear of that part, other perhaps than the fact that my > shaman will have to die and then I'll have to log the cleric -in- > to help the mage... > > Paax, 49 shaman, Morel Thule Having done the epic several times (for self and for friends), i would strongly recommend getting max ally. I also can assure you that you can skip all the parts as it is entirely faction based. You have to have the tear from fear, but if you just do pages and books you will have done enough. The Black Dire boots are great for the cast from inventory sow, other then that, skip the Hole completely as I've seen many people die trying the attempt and also getting items eaten for not having enough faction. Unless of course you have a chanter that is working on epic then take a couple of groups down and do it :p --Iolen |
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