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Game Forum / Role Playing Games / EverQuest / August 2007LD constantly? I can't play so i'll start a revolution
I've heard horror stories like this, but i've always been fine. Cable connection, fast computer, all set - but the last few days i've been tooling around in norrath again and i go linkdead when i zone. What gives? Known issue? Hopefully with a known fix (that someone could point me toward?). Presently I can't even log in without going LD between character select and the actual game. Gonna start messing around with my firewall (running winXP pro, like a fewl). The 5 minutes of waiting between the LD and when i can resume playing = enough to make me quit another year or two. We, the players, should organize and become vocal so that no new players will take up a sony game until stupid, careless bugs/issues are fixed/resolved. I played for 5 years without this problem, so they clearly changed something (i haven't touched my settings from the last time i played, without issue, last summer). They really do focus their efforts on new content to try to pull in new players (or is it to appease the powergamer crowd?), believing that having happy casual players is (fixing bugs, improving things that are broken) the least lucrative business model. Am i wrong in that perception? Because if not, we should do that, we should make it clear to potential new players that sony doesn't know how to administrate an mmo, and let sony see we're doing that. Maybe that would work. Guess we'd have to convince them that we happy, older players would pull in people via word of mouth once we were satisfied with the quality of the game. Or is it too late for that? No one really plays eq, huh? Faza > I've heard horror stories like this, but i've always been fine. Cable > connection, fast computer, all set - but the last few days i've been [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > between the LD and when i can resume playing = enough to make me quit > another year or two. This sounds like your character files have gotten corrupted. Another possibility is the zone data files are corrupted for the zones those characters are trying to zone into (either from another zone or from character select). Try moving some or all of those files out of your Everquest folder, then do a full file check to recreate any of those files (such as the default maps) that are required, and see if the characters are able to zone in. If that works, try to narrow down which file was causing the problem, and then which part of that file. The character files are Yourcharactername_Servername.ini and UI_Yourcharactername_Servername.ini. The most likely zone files to cause trouble are the maps. I do get the feeling that there've been a lot of posts like yours recently. I wonder if there's a new bug that's causing files to become corrupted. -- Don. --------------------------------------------------------------------- -- See the a.g.e/EQ1 FAQ at http://www.iCynic.com/~don/EQ/age.faq.htm -- -- Sukrasisx, Monk 68 on E. Marr Note: If you reply by mail, -- Terrwini, Druid 58 on E. Marr I'll get to it sooner if you -- Teviron, Knight 58 on E. Marr remove the "hyphen n s" -- Wizbeau, Wizard 36 on E. Marr > Or is it too late for that? No one really plays eq, huh? 200,000 players at the moment. Not WoW level of players, but then not everyone has a brain and they prefer 'easy' games. >> Or is it too late for that? No one really plays eq, huh? > >200,000 players at the moment. Not WoW level of players, but then not >everyone has a brain and they prefer 'easy' games. I'm curious as to why you feel a need to bash other games. If you like EQ, and you're having a good time playing it, why the need to piss on non-EQ players? Do you really think that playing EQ grants you some sort of superiority? > >> Or is it too late for that? No one really plays eq, huh? > > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > piss on non-EQ players? Do you really think that playing EQ grants > you some sort of superiority? It's called having an opinion. I played WoW, I thought it sucked, and took little skill compared to EQ. As with all things, opinions vary. > > >> Or is it too late for that? No one really plays eq, huh? > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > As with all things, opinions vary. Having an opinion is great. Rehashing the same stupid bashing ("I have a brain") is just tired. It's an opinion, it's just an unoriginal one. My return to EQ has been severly dampened by the simple fact that it seems like most of the people still playing are simply elitist dicks. There are plenty of friendly people, but so many are so eager to just jump all over people and attempt to appear superior. Look at this newsgroup. Near-flatline the entire time I've been reading it, until an opportunity arises to jerk people around. Now we've got dozens of posts in a couple of days. Most calling other people jerks. > > > >> Or is it too late for that? No one really plays eq, huh? > > [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > many are so eager to just jump all over people and attempt to appear > superior. It isn't a bash at anyone, it's a statement of fact. WoW is an easier game, which the majority of people seem to prefer. Having played all MMORPG on the market, compared to EQ they are all easy, dull, and require less brainpower. However, that doesnt mean people have to agree with me, I dont care what others play... > Look at this newsgroup. Near-flatline the entire time I've been > reading it, until an opportunity arises to jerk people around. Now > we've got dozens of posts in a couple of days. Most calling other > people jerks. And this is different to the rest of USENET how? :P And in fact it is merely people arguing....about pointless crap but again, that's what teh intraweb is for! :P > > > "murdocj" <t...@mirque.delete.this.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > > It isn't a bash at anyone, Yes it is :P "You don't have a brain, so you play WoW" is a bash. "EQ is a lot harder than WoW" is a statement of fact (though I may disagree for the most part). > WoW is an easier game, which the majority of people seem to prefer. To be honest, I think it's mostly the fact that they learned a lot of lessons from previous MMOs and made the game accessible. In my opinion, it's not popular because it's easy. It's popular because it is a fluid, well-designed game that has a good company, pre-existing fanbase and IP behind it, and it came out with sane hardware requirements. It's not perfect by any means, and I personally really didn't like the game at 70 (and quit), but that might be different if I was still 19 with 16 free hours a day instead of a few hours on the weekend. >However, that doesnt mean people have to agree with me, I dont > care what others play... That's great. Just accept that most people consider the phrase "I don't care what others play" doesn't come with tired insults. It's like if every person who ever mentioned EQ in WoW immediately followed it up with personal insults aimed at its players (hrm...what would a good one be? I don't think being called old and stubborn is all that insulting...). > And this is different to the rest of USENET how? :P And in fact it is > merely people arguing....about pointless crap but again, that's what teh > intraweb is for! :P Yeah, I was just lamenting the fact that it's so negative. I got kind of excited that there was activity, but was disappointed when it all turned out to be flames. Bad example. I've been witness to some extremely nasty arguments in in-game chat channels which usually focus on bashing people who play games other than EQ. >It isn't a bash at anyone, it's a statement of fact. WoW is an easier game, >which the majority of people seem to prefer. Having played all MMORPG on >the market, compared to EQ they are all easy, dull, and require less >brainpower. However, that doesnt mean people have to agree with me, I dont >care what others play... The "statement of fact" part is what I disagree with. Having played both EQ and WoW to a high level, I just have to call bullshit on this. If you want to say "IMHO, WoW is easier than EQ", well, that's fine. If you want to back it up with some logical arguments, even better, we can have a rational discussion. But when you toss out stuff that (IMHO) is BS, and don't bother to even try to back it up, it sounds like you are trying to make yourself feel good by bashing other people. > >It isn't a bash at anyone, it's a statement of fact. WoW is an easier game, > >which the majority of people seem to prefer. Having played all MMORPG on [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > The "statement of fact" part is what I disagree with. Having played > both EQ and WoW to a high level, I just have to call bullshit on this. WoW is easier, fact. > If you want to say "IMHO, WoW is easier than EQ", well, that's fine. Yes because it is true. > If you want to back it up with some logical arguments, even better, we > can have a rational discussion. But when you toss out stuff that > (IMHO) is BS, and don't bother to even try to back it up, it sounds > like you are trying to make yourself feel good by bashing other > people. You used IMHO, which is your opinion...never said you had to agree with me. Seems like you have some paranoia issues steming from the fact you know I am correct :P >> >> Or is it too late for that? No one really plays eq, huh? >> > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > >As with all things, opinions vary. Having an opinion is fine, no matter how uninformed and incorrect it may be. > >> >> Or is it too late for that? No one really plays eq, huh? > >> > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > Having an opinion is fine, no matter how uninformed and incorrect it > may be. But it isn't uninformed is it? Seeing as I played wow and eq to a high level I think I can make a distinction as to which requires more skill.....25 man raids are simple to co-ordinate, with most just requiring DPS and little actual skill / knowledge. Doesn't really matter if you agree does it? Long as you having fun who cares. >> Or is it too late for that? No one really plays eq, huh? > > 200,000 players at the moment. Not WoW level of players, but then not > everyone has a brain and they prefer 'easy' games. Try raiding some of the BC content and come back and tell us how easy it was. > >> Or is it too late for that? No one really plays eq, huh? > > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Try raiding some of the BC content and come back and tell us how easy it > was. It is easy...:P >> >> Or is it too late for that? No one really plays eq, huh? >> > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >It is easy...:P Ah, thanks. Your clear, well reasoned arguments and cogent examples have convinced me. I just hadn't understood it that way before. I had thought that ZG and Karazhan required skill, determination, coordinated teamwork, and consistent play over a long period of time. But based on all the data you've presented, they're obviously quite easy, any 10 or 20 people can just walk in and master them. Thanks for enlightening me. SO yeah...i messed with my firewall and ended up turning it off - nice improvement in counterstrike/dod, but with EQ i'm still going LD when i zone ... it's annoying and dreadful... on the bright side, i've connected with some old friends and might just get back into the swing of things (if i can lick the LD and broken-animations bugs) Fennin.Faza > > Or is it too late for that? No one really plays eq, huh? > > 200,000 players at the moment. Not WoW level of players, but then not > everyone has a brain and they prefer 'easy' games. One more tiny thing: People didn't leave EQ because it was hard. They left because it was old and new games with big potential were coming out and (from what I've read) GoD sucked complete a.s. People don't avoid EQ because it's hard. They avoid it because it's old and inaccessible. I returned after being gone since Luclin and I feel completely locked out of the game. The complete derth of low level people (low level as in <30, not <70) is killer. It means the only way to start playing is to buy some plat, buy some skinspikes, beg for a temp and go solo for 3 months. Which is mindnumbingly boring and not at all in the spirit of EQ. There are no groups at any level I've been at since returning unless you know people already. Not because you're too lazy to form a group, because there's literally NO-ONE within 10 levels of you that isn't in trader mode in the bazaar. The only thing keeping me mildly interested is the fact that I know one person who plays, so I have someone to play with. I really miss the fun I had in this game in the past, and I'm sure I could have that fun again if I bought a level 75 character. But that's not something I want to do. It's not "difficulty." It's barrier to entry. If it was difficulty, people wouldn't play the hundreds of console games that require more "skill" than MMOs. > > > Or is it too late for that? No one really plays eq, huh? > > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > old and new games with big potential were coming out and (from what > I've read) GoD sucked complete a.s. Yep, but then EQ was the original game of it's type, and it is now what, 8 years old? GoD is a great expansion imo :P > People don't avoid EQ because it's hard. They avoid it because it's > old and inaccessible. I returned after being gone since Luclin and I [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > NO-ONE within 10 levels of you that isn't in trader mode in the > bazaar. Yes, due to it's age it is not exactly noobie friendly, but there are still plenty of guilds out there who would be more than likely happy to group with you etc. Really, you do need a guild if you are a lowbie in EQ now, or you stand no chance. > The only thing keeping me mildly interested is the fact that I know > one person who plays, so I have someone to play with. I really miss > the fun I had in this game in the past, and I'm sure I could have that > fun again if I bought a level 75 character. But that's not something > I want to do. Why did you sell your character? :P > It's not "difficulty." It's barrier to entry. If it was difficulty, > people wouldn't play the hundreds of console games that require more > "skill" than MMOs. All of what you said still doesnt change the fact it IS more difficult than any other MMORPG (possible exception vanguard, I haven't played that for more than an hour). My g/f just started playing eq, has a level 9 mage, and is loving it, of course she has me to help her learn how to play, but, that isn't something unique. Any other newbie could just as easily ask for help in one of the general channels or find a guild with helpful members. I dont see the barrier you are harping on about. > Yes, due to it's age it is not exactly noobie friendly, but there are still > plenty of guilds out there who would be more than likely happy to group with > you etc. Really, you do need a guild if you are a lowbie in EQ now, or you > stand no chance. This is the barrier I'm harping on. > Why did you sell your character? :P Rent. My early 20s were "starvation years". I sold a lot of things I would really like to still own. The person I'm playing with now is actually the person I sold my account to. I contacted him and asked if I could buy it back. His brother had it and was being stubborn, so the guy is now giving me a hand starting up and leveling his multi-box characters with me. > > It's not "difficulty." It's barrier to entry. If it was difficulty, > > people wouldn't play the hundreds of console games that require more [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > any other MMORPG (possible exception vanguard, I haven't played that for > more than an hour). When you say "Not WoW level of players, but then not everyone has a brain and they prefer 'easy' games" you're saying people don't play EQ because they think it's hard. I'm saying people don't play EQ because it's an old game that is infinitely less accessible at this point than newer games. That's why I went on about all that. I guess that's the opinion thing. I don't think EQ is the hardest MMO I've played. I don't equate "hard" with "tedious." I don't think EQ is purely tedious (I haven't really seen an MMO that lacked some tedium), but it seems like most things that make it "difficult" are just things that create tedium. Honest question: What makes EQ more difficult than other games? Is soloability equal to ease? Does a harsh death penalty make a game difficult? I didn't really feel any MMO I've played was all that difficult. Maybe it's just because difficulty and skill are pretty vague when it comes to video games in general and MMOs in particular. Some people say twitch = skill, some say twitch is kid-stuff. The main skill I see in MMOs is just the ability to corral a large group of people and get them to hit the right buttons at the right time. > Honest question: What makes EQ more difficult than other games? Is > soloability equal to ease? Does a harsh death penalty make a game > difficult? Not being hand fed the entire way, learning your class / others classes and what they can do, learning what mobs do, learning how to raid, learning raid roles, co-ordinating large raids which require more than just TANK / DPS / HEAL etc... > I didn't really feel any MMO I've played was all that difficult. > Maybe it's just because difficulty and skill are pretty vague when it > comes to video games in general and MMOs in particular. Some people > say twitch = skill, some say twitch is kid-stuff. The main skill I > see in MMOs is just the ability to corral a large group of people and > get them to hit the right buttons at the right time. Heh, twitch is just reaction's, you can't learn that, EQ requires some twitch but alot of knowledge, knowing what to do and when, doing something wrong can kill an entire raid (hatchet for example). > > Honest question: What makes EQ more difficult than other games? Is > > soloability equal to ease? Does a harsh death penalty make a game [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > roles, co-ordinating large raids which require more than just TANK / DPS / > HEAL etc... Take out "large" and I don't see the difference. I will agree that 60 people are harder to coordinate than 25. >Heh, twitch is just reaction's, you can't learn that, EQ requires some >twitch but alot of knowledge, knowing what to do and when, doing something >wrong can kill an entire raid (hatchet for example). Twitch is very "learnable". It's quick thinking mixed with hand-eye coordination. Both are skills that can be developed. I don't really see that knowledge is that related to difficulty. Is your Googling ability part of your EQ "skill"? Anyway. The issue isn't really whether EQ is more or less difficult than WoW. The issue, for me, is just to not make boneheaded statements like "People w/o brains don't play EQ." > > > Honest question: What makes EQ more difficult than other games? Is > > > soloability equal to ease? Does a harsh death penalty make a game [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Take out "large" and I don't see the difference. I will agree that 60 > people are harder to coordinate than 25. Good we are agreed that EQ raids are harder then. > >Heh, twitch is just reaction's, you can't learn that, EQ requires some > >twitch but alot of knowledge, knowing what to do and when, doing something [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > see that knowledge is that related to difficulty. Is your Googling > ability part of your EQ "skill"? Sorry you either have twitch or you dont. You cannot google fights that people have never done, or are rarely done. WoW raids require no googling (and little learning), because they are so easy. > Anyway. The issue isn't really whether EQ is more or less difficult > than WoW. The issue, for me, is just to not make boneheaded > statements like "People w/o brains don't play EQ." I said WoW requires less brains, basically, which is true. ]Yes, due to it's age it is not exactly noobie friendly, but there are still ]plenty of guilds out there who would be more than likely happy to group with ]you etc. Really, you do need a guild if you are a lowbie in EQ now, or you ]stand no chance. Really ? I got a ranger to 40th, with no guild help. I didn't even find out temperance was for low level toons until I had played almost a year. Didn't have the buff potions from the pok merchant either. When I bought the Evolution package deal, there was a book in it that explained the interface, the background storry, etc. As for the game, it isn't lal that hard to learn how to play. Tactics took me a while, but I found a number of guides online on tactics. JimP.  Signaturehttp://www.linuxgazette.net/ Linux Gazette http://crestar.drivein-jim.net/blog/ August 8, 2007 1E AD&D blog http://www.drivein-jim.net/ June 24, 2007: Drive-In movie theatres http://poetry.drivein-jim.net/ poetry blog July 9, 2007 ]Presently I can't even log in without going LD between character ]select and the actual game. Gonna start messing around with my ]firewall (running winXP pro, like a fewl). The 5 minutes of waiting ]between the LD and when i can resume playing = enough to make me quit ]another year or two. If you have the free version of zonealarm you must reaccept eqgame.exe for passthru every time EQ is patched. Other firewalls can do the same. Your problem has nothing to do with EQ, but your firewall. JimP. Signaturehttp://www.linuxgazette.net/ Linux Gazette http://crestar.drivein-jim.net/blog/ August 8, 2007 1E AD&D blog http://www.drivein-jim.net/ June 24, 2007: Drive-In movie theatres http://poetry.drivein-jim.net/ poetry blog July 9, 2007 > Or is it too late for that? No one really plays eq, huh? More people play EQ than any other Sony MMORPG. Have you tried removing the contents of .../Sony/Everquest/userdata? For now, just move it somewhere else, but give that a try. As a side issue, although I found it hard to believe, replacing my ADSL router a year or so back cleared up all my unexplained LD issues. SignatureTony Evans Saving trees and wasting electrons since 1993 blog -> http://perception-is-truth.blogspot.com/ [ anything below this line wasn't written by me ] |
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