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new computer for EQ !

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b - 08 Apr 2006 08:56 GMT
yay,

after 5 years of the same p3 733mhz, i am now stepping into the future...

except i have to build it myself !!

and there we have some issues:

i was given a few tips in the channel today (by Sarrss, i believe the name
was), who also recommended i post here about this ...

so...

what order, in general, is safest for installing components? i believe i was
told to stick the psu in the case and touch it to ground myself, stick cpu
to heatsink and that bundle into mobo, then mobo into case - add ram - and
try to boot up

that's what i did, except i got no good response ... the mobo and psu lit
up, but there were no fans moving so i shut it down ... i had the graphics
card in because i figured i'd have no other way to see if the system
recognized anything (there's no video out on the mobo ... am i missing
something in the instructions? was i supposed to boot it w/o any screen?)

then i realized i have no idea what to do with the tons and tons of wires
... it seems every fan in the case has a 4-plug male AND female pair of
plugs ... what's up with that? and the psu has 1 bundle of cords going to
the mobo, and then 2 seperate branches (identical) with lots of stems coming
off ...

the mobo (abit), psu, and case don't come with instructions for plugging
anything in anywhere (regarding power) so i'm kind of in the dark ...

anyway, once that's set, and assuming everything checks out, do i just throw
in the optical and floppy drives?

any walk-me-through help is appreciated =)

fennin.faza / firiona.goom/memblur
Mark Peterson - 08 Apr 2006 14:43 GMT
> yay,
>
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>
> fennin.faza / firiona.goom/memblur

Hello There, Ssarrs here :-)

Here is what I usually do.

1  If case doesn't have it installed already, PSU into the case.
2  Install CPU on to the motherboard.
3  Install the heatsink onto the CPU
        Several things to check here.
        You said the heatsink had that square of whatever it is in lieu of
         thermal paste. Did you remove the plastic protector tape that
usually         covers this?
4  Install the fan onto the heatsink.
5  Install the memory
6  Install the mobo into the case.
7  Install video card.
8  Attach monitor to video card.
9  Plug in mouse and keyboard.
10 Attempt to boot the system to see if it gets to the BIOS setup screen
11 If it does, then I proceed to install the floppy and HD, CD's next.
12 Install the OS (Windows or Linux)
13 My next step is to install the audio card, but yours was onboard.
14 Install other cards, reading mobo manual to see which slots share IRQ's

That should do it. Are you getting anything on your monitor at all? If the
fans are not turning, then they are not getting power. Both the case and the
mobo should come with manuals showing where the various leads go. In reference
to the case, it is often a single sheet of paper and the english is usually
very convoluted to say the least. The mobo manuals are usually very detailed
these days. If you didn't receive either, then call your supplier and yell!
The case should have several small leads that plug into the mobo to allow the
start button, reset button and any LED displays to work. You need the
instruction sheet! Sometimes, if the leads have names stenciled on them so you
can infer with the help of the mobo manual where each should go.

Carefully read the mobo manual and follow their step by step instructions
regarding attaching power to the mobo. The fans, which you state have 4-plug
male AND female are to be daisy chained in this case to the matching plugs
from the PSU. Does the fan on your heatsink have a 4 plug connector or a small
2 or 3 pin connector? Sometimes you must connect this to the corresponding
connector on the mobo or you'll see the mobo light come on indicating it's
getting power, but it won't proceed to the boot stage without a lead connected
to the fan pins near the CPU on the mobo.

Sorry for the twisted explanation, but let me know how it goes.
b - 08 Apr 2006 16:56 GMT
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark Peterson" <m.peterson@spamnot.com>
Newsgroups: alt.games.everquest
Sent: Saturday, April 08, 2006 9:43 AM
Subject: Re: new computer for EQ !

> > yay,

> Hello There, Ssarrs here :-)

here we go!

> Here is what I usually do.
>
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> 9  Plug in mouse and keyboard.
> 10 Attempt to boot the system to see if it gets to the BIOS setup screen

it worked!!!!!!!! i need new drawers!!!!!!

> 11 If it does, then I proceed to install the floppy and HD, CD's next.

ok...

> 12 Install the OS (Windows or Linux)

waiting on cd still, heh....but what about cloning my current hd onto my new
hd, then fdisk'ing once i have the windows cd and can do it "right" ?

just wait, right? don't futz with the new toy?

> 13 My next step is to install the audio card, but yours was onboard.
> 14 Install other cards, reading mobo manual to see which slots share IRQ's

awesome

> That should do it. Are you getting anything on your monitor at all? If the
> fans are not turning, then they are not getting power. Both the case and the
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>
> Sorry for the twisted explanation, but let me know how it goes.

thank you so much!
Mark Peterson - 08 Apr 2006 21:21 GMT
> waiting on cd still, heh....but what about cloning my current hd onto my new
> hd, then fdisk'ing once i have the windows cd and can do it "right" ?
>
> just wait, right? don't futz with the new toy?

I find that it's nothing but trouble to clone a hd and install that on a new
system (UNLESS every part in the new system is the same). Better to do a fresh
install of windows on the new one, then install the video drivers and any
audio drivers etc., etc. You can clone your EQ install however and move it
over to the new HD. That is fine.

> thank you so much!

You're most welcome! I hope you enjoy your creation! It's so much more
satisfying to build your own!
Richard Carpenter - 08 Apr 2006 22:10 GMT
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mark Peterson" <m.peterson@spamnot.com>
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>
> just wait, right? don't futz with the new toy?

Nah, I've never seen any problems caused by just popping the old hard drive
into a new machine and seeing if it will run. It may not have all the
drivers you need and such, but I doubt it will do any harm to try it if you
can't wait for your Windows CD. It may work just enough to get you playing
in the meantime. If it does, I would recommend burning your EQ directory to
a DVD before starting over when your OS CD arrives. That way you can just
copy it back and not have to go through all the patching again, and it will
retain your UI settings and such.

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"Write something worth reading, or do something worth writing."
                                      -- Benjamin Franklin

Mark Peterson - 09 Apr 2006 16:20 GMT
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Mark Peterson" <m.peterson@spamnot.com>
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> copy it back and not have to go through all the patching again, and it will
> retain your UI settings and such.

I agree, it will not do any harm to the system to try this, but in my
experience, you will never get a completely stable system by going this route.
Your telling words are "It may work just enough". If the goal is a fast,
stable system, then a fresh install of Windows is the only way to proceed.

When it is up and running, the new HD could be jumpered as the primary and the
old HD could be jumpered as the salve, then popped into the new system with EQ
ready for action, so to speak :-)

This is the person's first build attempt, so in my opinion and I stress it's
only my opinion, to saddle them with inconsistencies of an OS installed for an
older system is not worth risking. IF the CPU's were from the same
manufacturer, IF the chipsets were from the same manufacturer, if the audio
chipsets were etc., etc., then a simple swap "might" work, but no guarantees.
Richard Carpenter - 09 Apr 2006 21:15 GMT
>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>From: "Mark Peterson" <m.peterson@spamnot.com>
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> manufacturer, if the audio chipsets were etc., etc., then a simple
> swap "might" work, but no guarantees.

Oh, I completely agree that it may not work at all. I don't think I
implied anything different. The OP merely mentioned the possibility of
getting up and running just to play EQ while waiting for his Windows
install CD. Popping the old hard drive into the new machine strictly on a
temporary basis is worth a shot on such a temporary basis. If it works,
great, he can play in the meantime. If it doesn't, no loss. The idea I
got was that he had no OS disc yet with which to attempt a fresh install.
What I suggested wouldn't affect his schedule in that scenario.

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Richard Carpenter
"Write something worth reading, or do something worth writing."
                                      -- Benjamin Franklin

Mark Peterson - 08 Apr 2006 14:47 GMT
Ooops, forgot the step to add video drivers. It comes right after installing
the OS.
Dromiz - 09 Apr 2006 15:04 GMT
And be VERY careful installing the CPU if install wrong will destroy
everything connected (Memory, CPU, Motherboard, Video card)

> yay,
>
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>
> fennin.faza / firiona.goom/memblur
b - 10 Apr 2006 21:22 GMT
EVERYONE who helped (well, mark and richard especially, if not
completely...), THANKS!

i have 2 issues remaining that i won't bother to qualify, but here they are:
1 - there's a piece of "unknown" hardware that pops up as being discovered,
but every piece of hardware i installed came through perfectly and the
software all fits and everything ... so i have no idea what that unknown
thing is, so i disabled notification and i'm hoping to forget it exists =P
but it still shows up in my device manager ...

2 - for windows, i just borrowed a CD ... and i used the cd key it came with
to install, but i'm getting bugged to activate ... and i don't mind
admitting that i found out how to no longer be bothered by that, but i need
service pack 2 and ... well, you can guess where i'm at ...

oh, and i lied:

3 - i have a dual core processor, and it seems alright, but it isn't nearly
as nifty as i'd hoped it would be - it's an AMD 4200 and it slows down when
i turn on too many things ... i was hoping for an unslowable chip =( oh
well... i only mention this because i think i heard something about a
process required to take full advantage of a dual core chip, though i can't
recall if that was for a new-ish system or for an older system that's been
upgrade ... is there anything i need to do? and is it recommended to
overclock? will i notice a difference? i have great cooling in the system
and i installed the cpu temperature probe on the heatsink (is that bad? was
it supposed to touch the cpu? it seems to be close-ish if not "good enough"
and it reads 28 degress (C)...and is heat the only consideration with
oc'ing? ) ... so i'm not sure if it's worth it interms of risk / reward to
bother trying it

thanks again!
b - 10 Apr 2006 23:24 GMT
> EVERYONE who helped (well, mark and richard especially, if not
> completely...), THANKS!
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>
> thanks again!

oh wait, there is 1 final thing (for now) ... i must be misunderstanding
something about my speakers:

5.1 channel speakers ... 1 woofer, 1 front, 1 pair for front-right and 1
pair for front-left ... that's 6 plugs on the input of the woofer that i
can't connect to my computer ... it only has 3 ... and it labels them as
"center/woofer, FL/RL, FR/RR" ... so .. do i just need to buy a splitter?
well, 3 splitters? how will the signal "know" where to go?

the onboard sound card is supposedly 7 (or 7-something) channel ... is that
a problem, or does it mean i could have bought better speakers?

again, all help appreciated...
b - 10 Apr 2006 23:24 GMT
> 5.1 channel speakers ... 1 woofer, 1 front, 1 pair for front-right and 1
> pair for front-left ... that's 6 plugs on the input of the woofer that i
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>
> again, all help appreciated...

and the connections don't fit anyway, so i can't just experiment ... i think
i'm baffled...
 
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