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Definition of Ninja Looting
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Steptoe - 20 Mar 2006 14:34 GMT Yesterday, I was in Eastern Wastes and someone ooc'd that a Fabled Ry'Gorr chest piece was rotting. I ran over and looted it and thanked the person who had advertised it. It was an upgrade for me. He said that he didn't ninja loot. I was a bit puzzled by the statement but didn't take the time to discuss it with him. The piece was Bard usable and both of us were playing Bards at the time. It is a NO TRADE item. I thought that when an item was advertised as "up for grabs," the term ninja looting did not apply, but maybe I don't understand the term well enough. I looked in our FAQ but didn't find a definition of ninja looting. Any thoughts?
stanmann - 20 Mar 2006 18:41 GMT > Yesterday, I was in Eastern Wastes and someone ooc'd that a Fabled > Ry'Gorr chest piece was rotting. I ran over and looted it and thanked [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > I looked in our FAQ but didn't find a definition of ninja looting. > Any thoughts? Assuming that everything happened exactly as you said, you were absolutely right
Rotting means come get it, I can't/won't use it, or I already have it. Now, its possible, that someone else sent the guy a /tell saying they were OTW to get it, which is fairly common practice, but not required. That is the only scenario I can see that makes sense of his response.
So no you violated no rules of ettiquette, and you got an upgrade that might have rotted.
Good for you.
StanMann
zigipha@hotmail.com - 20 Mar 2006 19:28 GMT To address the OP: my view of ninja looting is first come first serve. Usually used in a group. Basically who ever clicks on the mob first gets the right to loot. For XP grinders, its simpler than alpha looting. For farming groups, its not as fair because some of the classes are typically left out of the loot cycle (casters), so alpha loot is more equitable. On top of all that, the group agrees on how to handle valuable items (/rand or whoever loots it keeps it).
Don Woods - 20 Mar 2006 23:46 GMT > To address the OP: my view of ninja looting is first come first serve. > Usually used in a group. Basically who ever clicks on the mob first [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > loot is more equitable. On top of all that, the group agrees on how to > handle valuable items (/rand or whoever loots it keeps it). What you describe is something that I've normally heard referred to as "FFA", for "free-for-all" looting. And I agree that the casters can get left out of it, though if they're willing to give up a few seconds of medding they can often get their share as well.
Ninja looting, to me, means sneaking in and looting someone else's kill. This can only happen after the loot timer has ticked down a little, but that can easily happen if there's a big fight and people are leaving the corpses to be looted after the last mob drops. In any case, I agree that the OP did nothing wrong, since the item was advertised as rotting. (Though as someone else noted, it may be that another person had sent a tell to the advertiser saying they were on their way. So the OP might've tried doublechecking whether it was claimed yet, and/or could've sent a tell himself to tell the slaying player that he was interested in it.)
I'll see about adding FFA and ninja looting to the FAQ glossary and/or in the Grouping 101 doc.
-- Don.
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Palindrome - 21 Mar 2006 18:36 GMT >Ninja looting, to me, means sneaking in and looting someone else's >kill. This can only happen after the loot timer has ticked down a >little, but that can easily happen if there's a big fight and people >are leaving the corpses to be looted after the last mob drops. Yes, that's how I understood the term too - sneaking in to loot someone else's loot just after the timer goes.
>In any case, I agree that the OP did nothing wrong, since the item was >advertised as rotting. Quite right. If it's offered up for grabs in an OOC, he who gets there firstest...
Palindrome
bizbee - 22 Mar 2006 14:12 GMT >Ninja looting, to me, means sneaking in and looting someone else's >kill. This can only happen after the loot timer has ticked down a >little, but that can easily happen if there's a big fight and people >are leaving the corpses to be looted after the last mob drops. Although there are particular situations, like raids, where that holds up, when I see some a.shole (read: bard) killing everything in the zone, and just leaving it because he's so friggin greedy that he's afraid someone else may actually get one of the mobs, I feel free to loot anything that the timer has expired on, and I, nor would a GM, don't consider that ninja looting by any stretch of the imagination. Just because you <can> kill everything in the zone with absolutely no regard for other players doesn't mean you <should> or that it's right to. Generally speaking, I've found that when you start stripping their kills, they tend to slow it up and actually share with other people once they realize that they're wasting time. If you or a member of your party can't find two seconds to loot a kill someplace in the next two minutes because you're busy, then you're out of luck. Two minutes is a long time. Example: I go into Karnors all the time and find upwards of ten or fifteen dead drolvargs near the entrance--and not a person in sight. Five minutes later, some people come up from below and start looting the crap. That's fine, but don't be surprised if all you find is plague mites. I don't ask permission to loot a corpse with a minute left of the expiration timer, that's for sure. "Looting a mob that isn't yours" is horrifically vague, because after it's dead for two minutes, as per the game rules, it's not yours anymore, it's public property. As in the OP's situation here, it was announced that it was rotting. At that point, it's first come, first served, period, and any regard for someone calling dibs on it is a mere courtesy. Like I said though, on a raid or with prime mobs dropping things that need to be rolled up, it's a different story. I've always understood the act to most often be the prick in the group that no one knows, jumping in and looting an item, then dropping out of the group and leaving, or logging, which, as I understand it, at least at one time, would bring retribution from a GM if you did it.
bizbee - 23 Mar 2006 01:12 GMT I should add to this, I don't run up and loot abandoned corpses when there's people around them, at least not without asking, since I have no idea what the people (or person) may be doing. The thing I <do> know is they aren't off someplace else in the zone killing as fast as they can.
Mark Rafn - 20 Mar 2006 23:53 GMT >Yesterday, I was in Eastern Wastes and someone ooc'd that a Fabled >Ry'Gorr chest piece was rotting. I ran over and looted it and thanked >the person who had advertised it. So far so good.
>He said that he didn't ninja loot. I was a bit puzzled by the statement >but didn't take the time to discuss it with him. Why not? Did you feel like you might have done something wrong (and you haven't told us the full story)? I can understand not wanting to get into a flamewar on /shout or /ooc (or even /tell), but a simple "huh? it was /ooc'd as rotting" seems only polite, and you may learn that you missed a retraction or something.
>I thought that when an item was advertised as "up for grabs," the term >ninja looting did not apply, but maybe I don't understand the term well >enough. I looked in our FAQ but didn't find a definition of ninja looting. It's not a common nor old enough phrase to have a formal definition in most dictionaries. Its meaning is defined by people who use it. That said, what you describe (looting something that's been offered as rot) doesn't qualify for my definition, nor the one at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ninja_Looting. -- Mark Rafn dagon@dagon.net <http://www.dagon.net/>
bizbee - 21 Mar 2006 01:20 GMT On Mon, 20 Mar 2006 08:34:27 -0500 in <441eafe4$0$9748$6d36acad@titian.nntpserver.com>, Steptoe <wdn-steptoe@comcast.net> graced the world with this thought:
>Yesterday, I was in Eastern Wastes and someone ooc'd that a Fabled >Ry'Gorr chest piece was rotting. I ran over and looted it and thanked [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >I looked in our FAQ but didn't find a definition of ninja looting. >Any thoughts? Sounds like he didn't quite use the term properly. He doesn't ninja loot? Whatever, you have it now!
Vladesch - 21 Mar 2006 07:20 GMT > Yesterday, I was in Eastern Wastes and someone ooc'd that a Fabled Ry'Gorr > chest piece was rotting. I ran over and looted it and thanked the person [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > *** Encrypt your Internet usage with a free VPN account from > http://www.SecureIX.com *** Ninja looting is getting in first and looting something that it meant for something else. Since the item was rotting and shouted to the whole zone, its whoever gets there first. I dont see a problem, and I dont understand his comment.
Faeandar - 22 Mar 2006 23:16 GMT >Yesterday, I was in Eastern Wastes and someone ooc'd that a Fabled >Ry'Gorr chest piece was rotting. I ran over and looted it and thanked [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >*** Free account sponsored by SecureIX.com *** >*** Encrypt your Internet usage with a free VPN account from http://www.SecureIX.com *** Ninja looting does not have to be a non-group member, it could be anyone. Some people have given examples of ninja looting someone elses kills after a timer expires but that's not the only case.
If a looting order or procedure is defined for the group and someone loots outside of it, that's ninja looting.
If, in FFA looting, someone is always looting because they are right clicking the mob as it falls, that too is ninja looting.
In both cases there needs to be intention to make it a potentially punishable offense; intention to loot out of turn or before anyone else. Sometimes people just click the wrong thing or hit the wrong button, no biggie if it's fairly isolated.
These are just my personal definitions but they've been widely accepted in groups I've been a part of.
~F
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