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Game Forum / Role Playing Games / EverQuest / December 2005SOE has gotten better at patching! (192)
Yet another patch???? That is like the 7th patch this month. Even Windows don't need that many patches in short time period. I wonder what will they nerf this time.  SignatureWhen you hear the toilet flush, and hear the words "uh oh", it's already too late. - by anonymous Mother in Austin, TX Spam block in place, no emil reply is expected at all. > Yet another patch???? That is like the 7th patch this month. Even > Windows don't need that many patches in short time period. I wonder > what will they nerf this time. To be fair, Windows actually does need to be patched this often, if not more so, it just doesn't happen. If the news item is to be believed (hee), they just fixed a bug involving pathing in a whopping two zones and an exploit. A single tradeskill exploit. These two things were so critical to the game they required immediate patching. I'm still amused over the news item annoncing the New Years event being overwritten the next day with the news item stating the new years event was fixed- without giving any of the information regarding the new years event the previous days news item gave. So, if you didn't log in that one day you never saw the details for the New Years event :D Now, if you haven't logged in for a couple weeks, you just won't know at all :D Way to go, SOE! Keep up the good work. -- Xiphos - At least it wasn't another patch with absolutely no description Yeah, the development team has always been lacking. It's a hard task though and I probably would do worse hehe Been playing stronghold 2 for the last 3 weeks and loving it. Soon as this gets old, I'm off to Civ IV. EQ was a lot of fun for the last five years, but don't miss stuff like those patches and grinding out exp in the same old zones : ) brianjon...@yahoo.com wrote: > Yeah, the development team has always been lacking. It's a hard task > though and I probably would do worse hehe Oh, I agree. What snippets I've heard it sounds like the code has become a spaghettified nightmare. Having done maintenance coding for such works in the past, I can appreciate the daunting task this can impose. Change a menu item here, but oh look! Some hotshot know-it-all coder put some piece of streamlined assembly over there for some completely unrelated feature and now that the specifically referenced offset is different, accessing that menu now causes a crash! Or data corruption! At the same time, it also tells of poor coding and documentation practices in the past. Possibly continuing to this day. If they're even remotely like EA, they probably do a bare minimum of testing to meet some pretty unrealistic goals. This always leads to poor documentation and sloppy coding. If they've been doing the cost-cutting measures so many software companies have done, they lost their best and brightest able to keep up with these sorts of things and kept the mediocre programmers who can make things work - sort of - but may not neccessarily fully comprehend certain subtleties of coding. [As an aside, I would fall into the lower ranks of mediocre programmer side myself] Not saying Sony is any better or worse than other software giants out there right now, but at the same time that's nothing to be proud of either. Given the development life of EQ, it's mediocre quality software, and that really says something about the state of software today. > Been playing stronghold 2 for the last 3 weeks and loving it. Soon as > this gets old, I'm off to Civ IV. I recently started playing "We <3 Katamari", been revisiting "Metroid Prime" in preperation to start "Metroid Prime 2", and been looking over some of my older code in hopes of actually possibly perhaps some day finishing one of my numerous projects :) I think I wore myself out with Civ, Civ2, Civ:CTP, CTP2, and Alpha Centauri. I'll ocasionally look at FreeCiv. > EQ was a lot of fun for the last five years, but don't miss stuff like > those patches and grinding out exp in the same old zones : ) Been playing for about two years. Wife's been playing for almost six. I'm still pretty into it, despite what they've been doing to it to make it "better." Wife's pretty burned out now, though. We're looking at maybe trying EQ2 and WoW this upcoming year. Me and my stupid lizardman requirement... -- Xiphos - Also, it's always fun to occasionally get back to basics with the Wizardry series :) 1 and 6 through 8 are my favorites. >brianjon...@yahoo.com wrote: >> Yeah, the development team has always been lacking. It's a hard task [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] >software, and that really says something about the state of software >today. They are too busy coding the next expansion(which I wont buy as I didnt buy DoD) which will add more bugs and brings more patches. Meldur >At the same time, it also tells of poor coding and documentation >practices in the past. [snip] Or more likely lazy programmers. Do you have any idea how many lines of code there are to make the entire EQ works? Add an expansion and that's good for a few million or so more lines. Now try reading the entire thing to check if something would work as intended with no exploitable side effect. One has to give SOE some credit for keeping EQ running for so long when there's plenety of things that are still broken. SignatureWhen you hear the toilet flush, and hear the words "uh oh", it's already too late. - by anonymous Mother in Austin, TX Spam block in place, no emil reply is expected at all. On Wed, 21 Dec 2005 05:50:51 -0500 in <hnciq1h924abmro7eq5gqaoah3usplrjev@4ax.com>, Impmon <impmon@digi.mon> graced the world with this thought: >Yet another patch???? That is like the 7th patch this month. Even >Windows don't need that many patches in short time period. I wonder >what will they nerf this time. Well, it <is> Wednesday, they virtually always run them on Wednesday... The ones on Thursday and Friday are just to fix what they did on Wednesday. >Yet another patch???? That is like the 7th patch this month. Even >Windows don't need that many patches in short time period. I wonder >what will they nerf this time. Interesting that even now they have patched it,they do not let us know what the exploit was,my guess would be that there are some people now some billions plat richer,driving Bazaar prices up in direction insanity. Meldur just for record i've played EQ1 EQ2 and WoW and you can put EQ1 and 2 together and still not have as many bugs as WoW. __________________________________________________________ Submitted by: WsaberMT This message was submitted through the Erollisi Marr Forum > just for record i've played EQ1 EQ2 and WoW and you can put EQ1 and 2 > together and still not have as many bugs as WoW. This made me realise how unfun it is to be on the recieving end of a katamari - EQ1 boats after switching to DX9 Also, I doubt WoW servers use different maps than the client, and even if they do I don't think they accidentally invert the geometry surface vectors (!) on the server side causing mobs to wander the "Underfoot", as it were, and massive ammounts of falling damage out of the blue while wandering flat terrain. Not saying WoW doesn't have it's bugs, just saying sometimes quality does count over quantity. I may change my tune after playing WoW for more than a few hours, but so far it's been the nicer experience, play wise. -- Xiphos - Just as Windows can quantify to have fewer updates and patches than any given Linux kernel release. This is not always a good thing, and never a good measure. In alt.games.everquest, "Xiphos" <xiphos@rahul.net> wrote: >> just for record i've played EQ1 EQ2 and WoW and you can put EQ1 and 2 >> together and still not have as many bugs as WoW. >Not saying WoW doesn't have it's bugs, just saying sometimes quality >does count over quantity. I may change my tune after playing WoW for >more than a few hours, but so far it's been the nicer experience, play >wise. Do they still have the random tradeskill resource bug where you would, for example, start mining something, and then just stop, stuck in the crouching position unable to do anything but walk around in a weird moon walk style, until you camped out and came back? SignatureTony Evans (ICQ : 170850) Recommended Author : David Gemmell Okay, I pulled the pin. Now what? Hey, where are you going? Homepage : http://www.darkstorm.co.uk/tony > In alt.games.everquest, "Xiphos" <xiphos@rahul.net> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > position unable to do anything but walk around in a weird moon walk style, > until you camped out and came back? Can't say as I've encountered that, but I have been dealing with EQ's latest bug of crashing ever hour and thirty minutes almost like clockwork since the last patch. SignatureXiphos - That whole quantity over quality thing agaion... > In alt.games.everquest, "Xiphos" <xiphos@rahul.net> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > position unable to do anything but walk around in a weird moon walk style, > until you camped out and came back? Ive got a character that I do a lot of mining with, and I havnt noticed that bug for months. Pretty sure they have fixed it, either that or ive been extremely lucky. >Interesting that even now they have patched it,they do not let us know >what the exploit was,my guess would be that there are some people >now some billions plat richer,driving Bazaar prices up in direction >insanity. > >Meldur The exploit was for a gnomish catapult that was 6pp profit per combine. After setting up bots, yes some people made billions of plat profit and sold it on-line. Some guy posted a message about the exploit here (and on multiple class boards) earlier, but didn't tell what it was. He did notify Sony though, and they fixed it a couple weeks later. I think some more account got banned. > The exploit was for a gnomish catapult that was 6pp profit per > combine. After setting up bots, yes some people made billions of plat > profit and sold it on-line. Some guy posted a message about the > exploit here (and on multiple class boards) earlier, but didn't tell > what it was. He did notify Sony though, and they fixed it a couple > weeks later. I think some more account got banned. That's just embarassing - by now there really should be a tool Sony can use to check the sell price of every tradeskill item against the buy price of its components. If higher, big alarms should be going off. Regards, James > > The exploit was for a gnomish catapult that was 6pp profit per > > combine. After setting up bots, yes some people made billions of plat [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >use to check the sell price of every tradeskill item against the buy >price of its components. If higher, big alarms should be going off. Unlikely,this would cause expenses,not revenues,and they are too busy to program the next expansion,which I also wont buy. Meldur <jhicks@nospam.please> wrote: > > On Wed, 21 Dec 2005 21:43:49 +0100, Meldur <Meldur@t-online.de> wrote: > > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > use to check the sell price of every tradeskill item against the buy > price of its components. If higher, big alarms should be going off. I could swear they announced that they had exactly that. Not that I've ever thought Sony had the greatest quality control. =P > > The exploit was for a gnomish catapult that was 6pp profit per > > combine. After setting up bots, yes some people made billions of plat [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > use to check the sell price of every tradeskill item against the buy price > of its components. If higher, big alarms should be going off. Its sad that SOE didnt come to realize that the problem isnt crafting for profit... its being able to craft for profit in zero time. Put some of these combines on cooldowns (like the arcanite transmute in WOW) and suddenly making a profit from a profession is realistic and doesnt break the economy, and theres no need to define it as an exploit. On Sat, 24 Dec 2005 15:47:42 +1030 in <43acd9f5$1@duster.adelaide.on.net>, "Vladesch" <vladeschxxxx@bigxxxxxpond.net.auxxx> graced the world with this thought: >> > The exploit was for a gnomish catapult that was 6pp profit per >> > combine. After setting up bots, yes some people made billions of plat [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >and suddenly making a profit from a profession is realistic and doesnt break >the economy, and theres no need to define it as an exploit. nah... that would make sense. On Wed, 21 Dec 2005 21:43:49 +0100 in <3gfjq1tk8egaq2ovcc8jbl7bi8at5q46uc@4ax.com>, Meldur <Meldur@t-online.de> graced the world with this thought: >>Yet another patch???? That is like the 7th patch this month. Even >>Windows don't need that many patches in short time period. I wonder [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >what the exploit was >Meldur Funny, that was the first thing I thought, too... interesting they never mention it--I mean, if it's fixed, what the hell... |
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