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Faeandar - 10 Dec 2005 01:54 GMT
Recently I posed a question about minimum time between LDON's and we
now have conclusive data; 45 minutes between request 1 and request 2
at same camp.

What we have yet to try is request at camp 1, complete LDON in
standard 22 minutes, then magus over to camp 2 and request.  We don't
all have stones yet so we can't test this atm.

~F
Tony Evans - 10 Dec 2005 02:00 GMT
In alt.games.everquest, Faeandar <mr_castalot@yahoo.com> wrote:

>Recently I posed a question about minimum time between LDON's and we
>now have conclusive data; 45 minutes between request 1 and request 2
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>standard 22 minutes, then magus over to camp 2 and request.  We don't
>all have stones yet so we can't test this atm.

Thanks for the update.  So it's 45 minutes, from the point you get given
the mission, no matter how long it takes you to get into the actual zone?

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Faeandar - 10 Dec 2005 03:07 GMT
>In alt.games.everquest, Faeandar <mr_castalot@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>Thanks for the update.  So it's 45 minutes, from the point you get given
>the mission, no matter how long it takes you to get into the actual zone?

Correct.  Mission received, timer set to 45 minutes, complete mission
in 22 minutes, sit for 23 minutes attempting to get new mission all
the while receiving the message "you are still resting from your
previous mission".

Now to try the magus mem-wipe.  :)

~F
Don Woods - 13 Dec 2005 04:18 GMT
> Recently I posed a question about minimum time between LDON's and we
> now have conclusive data; 45 minutes between request 1 and request 2
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> standard 22 minutes, then magus over to camp 2 and request.  We don't
> all have stones yet so we can't test this atm.

You could use the NRo and EC camps; they're within easy running distance.

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Lance Berg - 13 Dec 2005 17:42 GMT
>>Recently I posed a question about minimum time between LDON's and we
>>now have conclusive data; 45 minutes between request 1 and request 2
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> You could use the NRo and EC camps; they're within easy running distance.

Although that would be a solution, its not necessary to waste that much
time.

The OP says we don't "all" have stones yet.  Well, (besides the obvious
solution, get everyone else their stones, five minutes risk free work
which will save each person more than five minutes travel time the first
day they have em) all that would be necessary would be for one of the
people who -do- have their stone to use the magus to check the second camp.

I recall a great many people I did LDoN's with in pickup groups being
unaware of this, but there's no need for everyone to go running to a
magus camp each time you want to do an LDoN, only the guy actually
pulling the mission has to go, as long as you are all grouped when he
pulls the mission, you're good to go regardless of which zone you happen
to be in when he does.

Make your leader someone who is bound at the magus camp, and he can gate
right to it to pull that next mission as soon as you are ready, while
everyone else heals up, meds up, replaces buffs, takes a "bio break" or
whatever.

I never did any missions quickly enough to butt up against this 45
minute wall, so I didn't test the question of whether you can get around
that by pulling a mission from a different camp instead...

Lance
Lief - 13 Dec 2005 19:43 GMT
> >>Recently I posed a question about minimum time between LDON's and we
> >>now have conclusive data; 45 minutes between request 1 and request 2
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> Although that would be a solution, its not necessary to waste that much
> time.

How far EQ has fallen when walking a couple of zones is considered 'wasting
time' :)
Lance Berg - 13 Dec 2005 21:44 GMT
> "Lance Berg" <emporer@dejazzd.com> wrote in message

>>>You could use the NRo and EC camps; they're within easy running
>
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> How far EQ has fallen when walking a couple of zones is considered 'wasting
> time' :)

Well, we're talking about a group thats proportedly doing LDoN's in 22
minutes each and every time, and that is so pressed for fast action that
they can't be bothered to get their LDoN stones, I figured they wanted
to shave every last second.

Lance
Meldur - 13 Dec 2005 17:42 GMT
>> Recently I posed a question about minimum time between LDON's and we
>> now have conclusive data; 45 minutes between request 1 and request 2
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
>You could use the NRo and EC camps; they're within easy running distance.

Dont you think its weird that they are so "uber" that they can finish
a Ldon in *standard* (lol) 22 minutes,but didnt manage to get the
traveling stone,which takes 5 minutes?

Meldur
Tony Evans - 13 Dec 2005 18:01 GMT
In alt.games.everquest, Meldur <Meldur@t-online.de> wrote:

>Dont you think its weird that they are so "uber" that they can finish
>a Ldon in *standard* (lol) 22 minutes,but didnt manage to get the
>traveling stone,which takes 5 minutes?

Wouldn't take me 5 minutes to get the LDoN Stone.

For a start, it would take me about 50 seconds x number of zonelines just
to do the zoning, then travel time on top.  Assuming I'm a gnome and start
in PoK.  That's 1 x zone into Steamfont, 1 x zone into Ak'anon, 1 x zone
into Steamfont, 1 x zone into LFay, 1 x zone into GFay, 1 x zone into BB.
That's 6 x 50 seconds which is 5 minute spent just zoning.  Add in the run
times, and the time taken to navigate to the NPC in Ak'anon and it's more
like 10 minutes :p

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Isloor - 13 Dec 2005 18:41 GMT
which is still 13 minutes before the timer expires ;)

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Isloor - 13 Dec 2005 18:43 GMT
And you could shorten it to 1x Steamfont, 1x Ak'anon, 1x Steamfont, 1x
PoK, 1x BB.  Or they could all just hit the return home button as they
first log in and just do 1x Steamfont, 1xPoK, 1XBB where you get both
the stone and your first LDoN for the night.   That's some efficient
traveling and time management I tell you what.

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Tony Evans - 14 Dec 2005 00:11 GMT
In alt.games.everquest, Isloor

>And you could shorten it to 1x Steamfont, 1x Ak'anon, 1x Steamfont, 1x
>PoK, 1x BB.  Or they could all just hit the return home button as they
>first log in and just do 1x Steamfont, 1xPoK, 1XBB where you get both
>the stone and your first LDoN for the night.   That's some efficient
>traveling and time management I tell you what.

Well, zoning into PoK takes twice as long as anywhere else.  And the run
from BB stone to BB LDoN Camp is longer than GFay to BB.  With my zone
times, it'd be tight.

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Lief - 13 Dec 2005 19:43 GMT
> In alt.games.everquest, Meldur <Meldur@t-online.de> wrote:
>
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> times, and the time taken to navigate to the NPC in Ak'anon and it's more
> like 10 minutes :p

10 WHOLE minutes?

....

Click and play != an RPG
Lance Berg - 13 Dec 2005 21:48 GMT
>>In alt.games.everquest, Meldur <Meldur@t-online.de> wrote:
>>
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
>
> Click and play != an RPG

Note that 300 seconds of that is spent zoning.  Time spent zoning != RPG
either.

But there's no need to go to Ak'anon, why not take the stone to the new
froglok town, which happens to be located in Rathe Mountains, which is
one of the spots with a "usable by all races" LDoN stone guy... unless
they eliminated it when the frogs moved in?

Lance
Lief - 15 Dec 2005 10:55 GMT
"Lance Berg" <emporer@dejazzd.com> wrote in message
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> > 10 WHOLE minutes?
> >
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> Note that 300 seconds of that is spent zoning.  Time spent zoning != RPG
> either.

5 minutes  zoneing time? Hmm...someone needs to upgrade ^^  Took about
10secs to zone even on my cruddy machine.
Tony Evans - 14 Dec 2005 00:13 GMT
In alt.games.everquest, "Lief" <ask.me.for@it.com> wrote:

>> times, and the time taken to navigate to the NPC in Ak'anon and it's more
>> like 10 minutes :p

>10 WHOLE minutes?
>
>....
>
>Click and play != an RPG

Note the :p

Get off your high horse is my advice.

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Lief - 15 Dec 2005 10:59 GMT
> In alt.games.everquest, "Lief" <ask.me.for@it.com> wrote:
>
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>
> Get off your high horse is my advice.

Do what? Aint on no high horse, just reada load of waffle how zoning is a
chore....':p' doesnt change the fact you are whining cos you have to go
through a few zones.

Meh, have fun playing Everdead.
Tony Evans - 15 Dec 2005 17:54 GMT
In alt.games.everquest, "Lief" <ask.me.for@it.com> wrote:

>Meh, have fun playing Everdead.

Man it's amazing how bitter you can be about people who still enjoy the
game eh?

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bizbee - 21 Dec 2005 20:42 GMT
On Tue, 13 Dec 2005 18:01:59 +0000 in
<439f0d14$0$258$bed64819@news.gradwell.net>, Tony Evans
<postmaster@[127.0.0.1]> graced the world with this thought:

>For a start, it would take me about 50 seconds x number of zonelines just
>to do the zoning,

you either need to cache the zones or get a new system.
But that aside, then once you have the stone, you never ever have to
do it again. Although five minutes may be a bit of a stretch, it
certainly isn't very much time to spend for something you'll use over
and over, even if it took you thirty minutes.
Faeandar - 18 Dec 2005 02:11 GMT
>>> Recently I posed a question about minimum time between LDON's and we
>>> now have conclusive data; 45 minutes between request 1 and request 2
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>
>Meldur

Somewhat twinked but not uber.  What we have going for us is a more
twinked SK with a Fungi Tunic and nothing but DPS.  SK, warrior,
beserker, wizard, bard (ok, so a bard isn't exactly DPS but those
haste/atk/mana songs sure do help).  Then we supplement with whatever
comes along.

The issue with getting the stone was time, as in we only ever logged
on when we got together and wanted to just 'hit it' immediately.
Never really needed it until we got things worked out and started the
sub-25 minute completions.  Also, I as a troll never got a message
about the "hushed message" or whatever it was.  Nothing in my home
city, nothing in BB camp, nada.  Talked to everyone in my home city,
Vual Stoutest in BB, some dude in EC, and then finally a druid came
along and told me about the frog in Rathe.  Went there and now I've
got the stone.

So next week I'll test the magus-wipe theory.

~F
Snack Cakes - 21 Dec 2005 05:00 GMT
Let's be honest Faeandar -- Snack is pretty uber.
 
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