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Game Forum / Role Playing Games / EverQuest / November 2005Sony installing unremovable malware. Caveat emptor.
http://www.sysinternals.com/blog/2005/10/sony-rootkits-and-digital-rights.html Enjoy running eq.exe > http://www.sysinternals.com/blog/2005/10/sony-rootkits-and-digital-rights.html > > Enjoy running eq.exe That's a bit of a stretch. Did you actually read the blog or any of the news articles listed in it? This is Sony/BMG, which as far as I know has very little if anything to do with SOE. I don't like the concept of what Sony/BMG did either, but the suits that made the decision to use the third party app probably have no idea what a rootkit is, and probably don't know what EQ is, for that matter. I'll not buy a Sony/BMG disc, but there's no need to go "Chicken Little" here. Will you stop using your PS2 or PSP as well? Toss your Sony DVD player in the trash? Not go to the theater to see another Sony movie for fear that your residual self image might get infected with a rootkit? The water company called. The bathwater you tossed down the drain had a baby in it, and they want to know if you'd like it back. Crash >> http://www.sysinternals.com/blog/2005/10/sony-rootkits-and-digital-rights.html >> [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > Crash Now, something like this is what I'd be more concerned about. http://www.securityfocus.com/brief/34 Crash >>> http://www.sysinternals.com/blog/2005/10/sony-rootkits-and-digital-rights.html >>> [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >> in the trash? Not go to the theater to see another Sony movie for fear >> that your residual self image might get infected with a rootkit? I wont be buying any Sony products, thats for sure. That includes dvd's and .exe's (and most certainly cd's) >> The water company called. The bathwater you tossed down the drain had a >> baby in it, and they want to know if you'd like it back. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Crash Warden just runs under WOW, and doesnt need to be uninstalled when ive finished. The sony software not only contunues to run consuming cpu resources, but has no way of being uninstalled (unless youre in the .1% of people who can remove it manually). To be harsh on blizzard, were comparing spyware with malware, which is an order of magnitude worse. >http://www.sysinternals.com/blog/2005/10/sony-rootkits-and-digital-rights.html >>> Enjoy running eq.exe [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >> matter. I'll not buy a Sony/BMG disc, but there's no need to go "Chicken >> Little" here. It's a pretty strong indication (as is WoW's warden) that companies don't think you own your own computer. Sony/BMG and the EQ part of Sony may be very different, but I strongly suspect the attitude is pretty broad. >Now, something like this is what I'd be more concerned about. >http://www.securityfocus.com/brief/34 I LOVE this, as it's one DRM (Sony/BMG rootkit) being used to foil another (WoW's process scanner). -- Mark Rafn dagon@dagon.net <http://www.dagon.net/> > The water company called. The bathwater you tossed down the drain had a > baby in it, and they want to know if you'd like it back. That made me laugh, will make someone a good .sig :-)  SignatureNickyD On Fri, 04 Nov 2005 13:12:33 GMT in <57Jaf.8652$Hj2.6733@news-server.bigpond.net.au>, "Vladesch" <vladeschxxxx@bigxxxxxpond.net.auxxx> graced the world with this thought: >http://www.sysinternals.com/blog/2005/10/sony-rootkits-and-digital-rights.html > >Enjoy running eq.exe yawn Bulls**t Get a clue. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > http://www.sysinternals.com/blog/2005/10/sony-rootkits-and-digital-rights.html > > Enjoy running eq.exe > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- >> http://www.sysinternals.com/blog/2005/10/sony-rootkits-and-digital-rig [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Get a clue. Some people don't care what drivers Windows uses to access their CD/DVD/virtual drives. However many, especially those for whom the covertly-installed replacement drivers prove incompatible, do care and care quite a bit. SignatureRichard Carpenter "Write something worth reading, or do something worth writing." -- Benjamin Franklin >>----------------------------------------------------------------------- >> [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > covertly-installed replacement drivers prove incompatible, do care and care > quite a bit. It's not only driver compatibility, Sony's so called patch to make the rootkit files visible, in fact did much more. The "update" contacts Sony servers and sends info, albeit only the CD ID currently. SignatureSsarrs - 55 Beastlord (Stromm ex of Drinal) Zarxx - 35 Beastlord (Stromm ex of Drinal) Gwydonn - 22 Cleric (Stromm ex of Drinal) Vizionn - 17 Shaman (Stromm) <Rich_Carpenter@spamsuxmsn.com> wrote: > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> http://www.sysinternals.com/blog/2005/10/sony-rootkits-and-digital-rig [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > covertly-installed replacement drivers prove incompatible, do care and care > quite a bit. Seriously, that decision by Sony was ridiculous. Utterly, obscenely, insane. So far I haven't seen the worst thing about it even mentioned. What if somebody else does it too? How many performance sapping, hard drive space consuming, memory eating pieces of useless code am I going to have to go through to get to my unprotected CD of pictures from the last family picnic? What are the chances that the driver installed by Sony doesn't conflict with the drivers installed by Atlantic, Columbia, Motown, and... and Time Life Books, and Encyclopedia Brittannica (you know it wouldn't be limited to music CDs), and... Fox and MGM (it's bound to be able to be used for DVDs too). I honestly think it should be prosecuted by whoever would do such a thing (state attorney generals perhaps) under anti-hacking laws. > <Rich_Carpenter@spamsuxmsn.com> wrote: >> > -------------------------------------------------------------------- [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > I honestly think it should be prosecuted by whoever would do such a > thing (state attorney generals perhaps) under anti-hacking laws. They have reversed the decision, and released an uninstaller. They will no longer be using that rootkit crap. >><Rich_Carpenter@spamsuxmsn.com> wrote: >> [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > They have reversed the decision, and released an uninstaller. They will > no longer be using that rootkit crap. Partially true. They have reversed the decision, but the uninstaller is still pending. What they previously called an uninstaller, in reality made the installed files visible, but went further than the original by sending info to a Sony server. The ActiveX component required for this left your system wide open to virus writers. They are also making people mail in CD's for a replacement, at the customer's expense apparently. Nice! SignatureSsarrs - 55 Beastlord (Stromm ex of Drinal) Zarxx - 35 Beastlord (Stromm ex of Drinal) Gwydonn - 22 Cleric (Stromm ex of Drinal) Vizionn - 17 Shaman (Stromm) > Bulls**t > > Get a clue. If it were bullshit, I doubt Sony would have recalled over 200k of their cd's. Maybe you need to get a clue. "Vladesch" <vladeschxxxx@bigxxxxxpond.net.auxxx> wrote in news:Vl9hf.2391 $ea6.355@news-server.bigpond.net.au: >> Bulls**t >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > cd's. > Maybe you need to get a clue. Not to mention the fact that the state of Texas has filed a lawsuit against them over it. SignatureRichard Carpenter "Write something worth reading, or do something worth writing." -- Benjamin Franklin |
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