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Game Forum / Role Playing Games / EverQuest / February 2005EQ1 Messageboard Hatemongers: Iziz & Flybin
These 2 guys are nothing more than messageboard trolls. On top of that, they are admittedly for Osama Bin Laden and the Iraqi insurgents and have made less than savory cracks at our military heros who are risking their lives overseas. Send them a message by marking every one of their posts with 1 Star and feel free to send them a PM as well. Again, their names are IZIZ & FLYBIN >These 2 guys are nothing more than messageboard trolls. Yet you posted this message five times?? Case of the pot calling the kettle, I think... Palindrome > Yet you posted this message five times?? Case of the pot calling the > kettle, I think... Ya, I was wondering if that was a simple mistake, but given the nature of the post I'm not so sure. Regardless, calling out personal vendettas against users of another forum, no matter how richly deserved, rarely work out from what I've seen. Wait, what am I'm saying? I've seen people request that other people mailbomb their target and like, but never actually move to another venue to punish them. Ok... attempting to sic us dogs after someone is really, really not likely to work. If they are truly obnoxious enough, the community they are posting on will self regulate. I would think that that is especially true on an SOE board, where the mods have been know to be a little, ok extremely, delete happy.  SignatureAnnie AGE EverQuest Live FAQ: http://www.icynic.com/~don/EQ/age.faq.htm Mirrored at: http://webpages.charter.net/lenny13/age.faq.htm http://www.derfy.net/agefaq.html >> Yet you posted this message five times?? Case of the pot calling the >> kettle, I think... [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >against users of another forum, no matter how richly deserved, rarely >work out from what I've seen. Sensible words. As you say, let their OWN community sort it out, because in the long run that's the ONLY way to sort things out properly. Palindrome On Thu, 24 Feb 2005 20:18:12 +0000 in <bhds11pjo418j3sb8ra3n4c6po4ofro7km@4ax.com>, Palindrome <damon-nomad@tiscali.co.uk> graced the world with this thought: >>> Yet you posted this message five times?? Case of the pot calling the >>> kettle, I think... [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > >Palindrome I think there's enough people around here that remember what happened when the brainless f.cks from the Fight Ace newsgroup decided that they were going to destroy this newsgroup... for no particular reason other than apparently they were all in their 20's and 30's, and decided to act like a bunch of pissy ten year olds. As I recall, one wound up in jail, and most the primary players are now untraceable on usenet... and their newsgroup is now non-existent. Yet here we are... > I think there's enough people around here that remember what happened > when the brainless f.cks from the Fight Ace newsgroup decided that [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > wound up in jail, and most the primary players are now untraceable on > usenet... and their newsgroup is now non-existent. I wasn't around for this, or else I was so comatose that I simply didn't notice it. But given the fact that most people can killfile idiots, I can't really see how members of one newsgroup could reasonably hope to destroy another. I guess "reasonably" is the key word here. The Fight Ace newsgroup crowd don't sound as if they were a real reasonable bunch. Maybe I'll try googling Fight Ace Everquest this weekend and see if I get any interesting hits. SignatureAnnie AGE EverQuest Live FAQ: http://www.icynic.com/~don/EQ/age.faq.htm Mirrored at: http://webpages.charter.net/lenny13/age.faq.htm http://www.derfy.net/agefaq.html > I wasn't around for this, or else I was so comatose that I simply > didn't notice it. But given the fact that most people can killfile [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Maybe I'll try googling Fight Ace Everquest this weekend and see if > I get any interesting hits. I did a quick google and found a post from you in 2003 remarking on having apparently missed the original series of posts in 2001. :-) -- Don. --------------------------------------------------------------------- -- See the a.g.e/EQ1 FAQ at http://www.iCynic.com/~don/EQ/age.faq.htm -- -- Sukrasisx, Monk 52 on E. Marr Note: If you reply by mail, -- Terrwini, Druid 48 on E. Marr I'll get to it sooner if you -- Wizbeau, Wizard 36 on E. Marr remove the "hyphen n s" -- http://www.iCynic.com/~don > I did a quick google and found a post from you in 2003 remarking on > having apparently missed the original series of posts in 2001. :-) And also, apparently, I was so traumatized by this fact that I purged the memory of it completely! SignatureAnnie AGE EverQuest Live FAQ: http://www.icynic.com/~don/EQ/age.faq.htm Mirrored at: http://webpages.charter.net/lenny13/age.faq.htm http://www.derfy.net/agefaq.html >> I think there's enough people around here that remember what happened >> when the brainless f.cks from the Fight Ace newsgroup decided that [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > The Fight Ace newsgroup crowd don't sound as if they were a real > reasonable bunch. I've seen it happen, but I doubt it could happen here with the number of people posting on-topic messages daily. In order for the signal/noise ratio to hit a point where active posters will leave because the newsgroup's a waste of time due to the crap, the invaders would have to be absurdly active in a group like this, either an enormous concerted effort on the part of a large group, or, more likely, rampant spamming that most news servers would be able to handle before regular readers would even see them. I was in an alt group that had 5-6 regular posters, and we were deluged by about twenty invaders from another group, and they were hostile, insulting to the on-topic discussions and very prolific. Since there weren't many regulars to post regularly to raise the signal/noise ratio, people just stopped bothering to come to the group to try to find the on-topic stuff, especially when people attempting to have on-topic discussions would often face the insults and harrassment of the invaders. Then someone posted a request for help at NANAU, which brought all the kooks and trolls from there into the newsgroup, and the signal/noise ratio of the group shot to, I kid you not, 1 on-topic post per about 2500 off topic, extremely hostile and disruptive posts. The group, both that month and the following month *each*, had more posts made to it than it had the previous ten years combined, which included the spam messages that Deja News/Google Groups had archived those years. The group hasn't recovered from that incident, which took place about six years ago. Nowadays we have maybe one on-topic thread that lasts more than three messages every ten months or so. That's how you can destroy a newsgroup. But with the number of regular posters reading this group, that sort of thing would be extremely difficult to pull off here. C Quoth Charles Whitney: > That's how you can destroy a newsgroup. But with the number of > regular posters reading this group, that sort of thing would be > extremely difficult to pull off here. That's interesting. I wonder if a mathematical model of that kind of thing can be constructed. SignaturePavlov's Dog and Schrodinger's Cat walk into a bar... On Sat, 26 Feb 2005 03:56:52 -0500 in <38arudF5dmc7iU1@individual.net>, "Charles Whitney" <cbillingsw@yahoo.com> graced the world with this thought: >That's how you can destroy a newsgroup. But with the number of regular >posters reading this group, that sort of thing would be extremely difficult >to pull off here. > >C I think besides overwhelming the group, if you're dealing with a bunch of people who are in groups like alt.support.spineless.wimp, they just walk away with it... however, when you take on a newsgroup the size of this one (especially at the time), with people like the people here, who aren't, for the most part, usenet newbies, troll hunting newbies, computer newbies, and, well, play a game where they run around <killing> things all night, well, you may be biting of more than you can chew when, on top of everything else, they outnumber you 50 to 1, and it's likely that some of these people may live right in your town... so it's in one's best interest not to piss someone off enough to actually <come find you.> Several of these people were severely unbalanced, and when I say that, I'm serious. > On Sat, 26 Feb 2005 03:56:52 -0500 in > <38arudF5dmc7iU1@individual.net>, "Charles Whitney" [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > of people who are in groups like alt.support.spineless.wimp, they just > walk away with it... You know, biz, maybe you should take a step back and really take a look at what you're saying here. Usenet can be fun, it can be informative. It's a nice thing, but it's really not that big a deal. And when reading a usenet group devoted to a video game you like, or a movie you like, or an author you like, becomes a hassle, an aggravation, to a lot of people it's simply not worth putting up with. This does not make them spineless. It doesn't make them wimpy. They just don't feel that putting up with that crap is worth it. It's not worth it to fish through a couple thousand messages to find one on-topic message about a book. It's not worth it to have to see the abuse heaped on you, even once. People have other things they can do, you know, things that won't result in being annoyed and aggravated all the time, and that's what happened to that group. They didn't run off scared, or crying. They simply decided that reading the group wasn't worth it anymore. > however, when you take on a newsgroup the size of > this one (especially at the time), with people like the people here, > who aren't, for the most part, usenet newbies, troll hunting newbies, > computer newbies, Again, this has nothing to do with whether someone's a newbie. It just matters how high their threshold tolerance for this sort of bullshit is. And if it's not particularly high, that's not some sort of failure of their moral or masculine fortitude. Not everyone places such a high value on usenet, after all. Perhaps, and this is going to be viewed as flamebait but that is not my intention, an Everquest newsgroup would be a particularly poor target for this sort of attack because it is populated by a lot of people who don't have a problem sitting at their computer for hours at a time and being annoyed and pissed off most of the time while doing it. Not everyone's like that though. > and, well, play a game where they run around > <killing> things all night, well, you may be biting of more than you [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > to actually <come find you.> Several of these people were severely > unbalanced, and when I say that, I'm serious. My point was that invaders need to outnumber regulars, which would mean that a.g.e. users wouldn't outnumber them 50 to 1, and as for kookiness, I've not seen anyone here who can compete with the paranoid schzophrenics with a persecution complex that did pop up in the incident I referred to, once NANAU was brought into the picture. I don't see any of the regulars here getting pissed off enough about a thread on this group to go marching off to another poster's house to gun him down, but for some of those folks, I'm not too sure. C > > I think besides overwhelming the group, if you're dealing with a bunch > > of people who are in groups like alt.support.spineless.wimp, they just > > walk away with it... > > You know, biz, maybe you should take a step back and really take a look at > what you're saying here. I'm in the padded cell with Biz on this one. I think the quintessential message of the informaiton age is that mindspaces and relationships formed electronically can be every bit as real and to us as those that involve physical contact. Often aren't, but can be. > Usenet can be fun, it can be informative. It's a nice thing, but it's > really not that big a deal. And when reading a usenet group devoted to a [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > happened to that group. They didn't run off scared, or crying. They simply > decided that reading the group wasn't worth it anymore. But you're not just turning your back on a place where you used to post messages. Odds are you have some friends or at least sparring partners in there that you don't see anywhere else, that you WONT see anywhere else once you leave. It's not just bits and bytes, its virtual territory and it means something more. > > however, when you take on a newsgroup the size of > > this one (especially at the time), with people like the people here, > > who aren't, for the most part, usenet newbies, troll hunting newbies, > > computer newbies, > > Again, this has nothing to do with whether someone's a newbie. Actually I think it would be quite relevant. A noob wont have as thick a skin, won't know what someone can and can't do electronically, and wont know what they can do. > It just > matters how high their threshold tolerance for this sort of bullshit is. > And if it's not particularly high, that's not some sort of failure of their > moral or masculine fortitude. You seem to be taking this one a little personally. > Not everyone places such a high value on > usenet, after all. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Not everyone's like that though. I guess that's what Biz just said. This place would be a crappy target for that reason, and the ones he stated. > My point was that invaders need to outnumber regulars, which would mean that > a.g.e. users wouldn't outnumber them 50 to 1, and as for kookiness, I've not [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > C Crazy fuckwits are not scary. Random acts of madness and violence cannot hold a candle to a perfectly sane person with a Plan. cheers, James On Fri, 25 Feb 2005 12:33:04 -0600 in <421F6F60.A7A4A2B9@real.people.only.yahoo.com>, Annie Benson Lennaman <teapray@real.people.only.yahoo.com> graced the world with this thought: > I can't really see how members of one newsgroup could reasonably >hope to destroy another. They can't. It's called "immature arrogance," and usually just winds up with the perp gettin his/her a.s pounded into the floor, which is more or less what happened. Especially <this> newsgroup at that time, with literally hundreds of regular posters and 300-500 posts a day being made They were pretty much like a mosquito pissing in the ocean. It did come to the surface, however, just how many people there are out there with severe mental problems that are truly in their 30's, and literally act like a ten year old, if that. One guy went so far as to stalk another (who came here looking for him--we were just the battleground), and made the serious mistake of trying to f.ck up the other guy's employer's computers. He was trapped by the employer, and charges were filed for attempted restraint of trade and denial of services. The guy disappeared from usenet after years of using the same name and acting like an immature prick, drifting around different groups raising sh.t--so something definitely happened--that kind of behavior doesn't just stop overnight. This guy's butt-buddy, GetsumJ still shows up here on occasion, but generally isn't given much of a welcome. On Fri, 25 Feb 2005 12:33:04 -0600 in <421F6F60.A7A4A2B9@real.people.only.yahoo.com>, Annie Benson Lennaman <teapray@real.people.only.yahoo.com> graced the world with this thought: >> I think there's enough people around here that remember what happened >> when the brainless f.cks from the Fight Ace newsgroup decided that [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > Maybe I'll try googling Fight Ace Everquest this weekend and see if >I get any interesting hits. Oh, by the way, GetsumJ was the initial person who came here and claimed he was now the head of this newsgroup and his full intentionwas to destroy it... then in the next day or two, his a.s pirate buddies joined him. So, when you see him get trounced when he shows up here, that's why. The dumbass decided to start playing EQ, and then figured we'd all be glad to see him. >On Fri, 25 Feb 2005 12:33:04 -0600 in ><421F6F60.A7A4A2B9@real.people.only.yahoo.com>, Annie Benson Lennaman [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] >shows up here, that's why. The dumbass decided to start playing EQ, >and then figured we'd all be glad to see him. That, and he didn't have the common sense to at -least- change his posting name... :p SignatureDark Tyger Sympathy for the retailer: http://www.actsofgord.com/index.html "Door's to your left" -Gord (I have no association with this site. Just thought it was funny as hell) Protect free speech: http://stopfcc.com/ bizbee <tuberoo@earthlink.net> wrote in news:ol5Ud.6478$873.2327 @newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net: > On Fri, 25 Feb 2005 12:33:04 -0600 in > <421F6F60.A7A4A2B9@real.people.only.yahoo.com>, Annie Benson Lennaman [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > shows up here, that's why. The dumbass decided to start playing EQ, > and then figured we'd all be glad to see him. Many of us here even gave him a chance, after he appeared to be behaving responsibly for a period of time. That however did not last. SignatureOn Erollisi Marr in <Sanctuary of Marr> Ancient Graeme Faelban, Barbarian Soothsayer of 70 seasons On Steamfont in <Insanity Plea> Graeme, 26 Dwarven Mystic, 23 Sage Aviv, 13 Gnome Brawler, 27 Provisioner > Oh, by the way, GetsumJ was the initial person who came here and > claimed he was now the head of this newsgroup and his full > intentionwas to destroy it... then in the next day or two, his a.s > pirate buddies joined him. So, when you see him get trounced when he > shows up here, that's why. The dumbass decided to start playing EQ, > and then figured we'd all be glad to see him. Ah. That does explain much. As I've said before, I knew GetsumJ in-game, before I ever read his name or saw any of his postings in A.G.E. We weren't what I could call close personal friends, but we were friendly acquaintances. He was always helpful and friendly to me, and we chatted and hung out together several times. It really was puzzling to me see the reception he was getting in A.G.E., at least in the new (to me) beginning when he was behaving himself. If I had been around for his initial volley into this newsgroup, I imagine I would have been much chillier to him in-game, and we would never have gotten along in game as well as we did. SignatureAnnie AGE EverQuest Live FAQ: http://www.icynic.com/~don/EQ/age.faq.htm Mirrored at: http://webpages.charter.net/lenny13/age.faq.htm http://www.derfy.net/agefaq.html > >These 2 guys are nothing more than messageboard trolls. > > Yet you posted this message five times?? Case of the pot calling the > kettle, I think... > > Palindrome lol.....I was thinking maybe he should go tell someone/ a newsgroup that actually gives a <insert expletive here>. >These 2 guys are nothing more than messageboard trolls. On top of >that, they are admittedly for Osama Bin Laden and the Iraqi insurgents [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >Again, their names are IZIZ & FLYBIN You realize that, as message board trolls, what you suggest is giving them EXACTLY what they're after. The only way to deal with trolls is to not give them the attention they're digging for. SignatureDark Tyger Sympathy for the retailer: http://www.actsofgord.com/index.html "Door's to your left" -Gord (I have no association with this site. Just thought it was funny as hell) Protect free speech: http://stopfcc.com/ > >These 2 guys are nothing more than messageboard trolls. On top of > >that, they are admittedly for Osama Bin Laden and the Iraqi insurgents [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > them EXACTLY what they're after. The only way to deal with trolls is > to not give them the attention they're digging for. Assuming, of course, that they actually are trolls. Not that I'm saying that someone who spams the NG with the same post five times is less than trustworthy, or anything.... SignatureSimond "I ask for so little. Just fear me, love me, do as I say and I will be your slave." - Jareth the Goblin King, Labyrinth |
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