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KDragon - 28 Oct 2004 21:24 GMT

Anyone else crashing out within seconds of logging? Maximum I've
lasted so far is 20 seconds. I brought up the spell window, then hit
the "/" to mark myself /afk, kaboom, lol.

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Bebinn - 28 Oct 2004 21:58 GMT

KDragon <nospam.for.me.please@nospam.net> wrote in news:Tzcgd.19878
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> Anyone else crashing out within seconds of logging? Maximum I've
> lasted so far is 20 seconds. I brought up the spell window, then hit
> the "/" to mark myself /afk, kaboom, lol.

I assume you are talking about EQ2 -- There's a weird bug that showed up
today. Reboot your computer then repatch, shouldn't have that LD happen
again. There's a dev post in the beta forum about that. Otherwise, there
seems to be trouble all over in EQ2 today. The new spells suck, crafting
is totally impossible, Lagtonica is back and with a vengeance. That game
is totally not ready to go live on the 8th. I'm glad I dont' have a pre-
order to cancel.

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KDragon - 28 Oct 2004 22:13 GMT

> KDragon <nospam.for.me.please@nospam.net> wrote in news:Tzcgd.19878
> $rs5.909779@news20.bellglobal.com:
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> is totally not ready to go live on the 8th. I'm glad I dont' have a pre-
> order to cancel.

Whoops, yes, I am talking about EQ2. I can't stay in the game long
enough to look at much let alone judge lag and the new spells.
Rebooted and still crashed at the first "/"

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Bebinn - 28 Oct 2004 23:23 GMT

> Whoops, yes, I am talking about EQ2. I can't stay in the game long
> enough to look at much let alone judge lag and the new spells.
> Rebooted and still crashed at the first "/"

You aren't missing much...I give up, I can't stay connected in Lagtonica
and my city task quest isn't updating when I kill them stupid badgers. See
ya tomorrow I guess.

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toolstech - 29 Oct 2004 03:31 GMT

>> Whoops, yes, I am talking about EQ2. I can't stay in the game long
>> enough to look at much let alone judge lag and the new spells.
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> See
> ya tomorrow I guess.

Not just the city quest. I noticed my journal wasn't consistently updating
too. But I also reached the end of my Qeynos citizenship quest, but it can
not be completed. I still have the original welcome to Qeynos book, but
can't read it anymore.

They appear to have broken quite a few things with this patch. Since it is
my first patch since I got in to beta I don't know how typical or atypical
today's result is. But it makes me a bit nervous about release.

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Simond - 28 Oct 2004 23:53 GMT

Typical SOE launch then? =p
(As opposed to OoW which was a fairly atypical one)

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Bob Perez - 29 Oct 2004 00:16 GMT

> Typical SOE launch then? =p
> (As opposed to OoW which was a fairly atypical one)

Well except that it's not a launch, it's a patch and pretty standard beta
MMOG patch day at that. Now if the launch goes anything like this, there
will be hell to pay.

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johndoe@example.com - 29 Oct 2004 01:41 GMT

>> Typical SOE launch then? =p
>> (As opposed to OoW which was a fairly atypical one)
>
> Well except that it's not a launch, it's a patch and pretty standard beta
> MMOG patch day at that. Now if the launch goes anything like this, there
> will be hell to pay.

Sounds to me like they're having the kinds of problems you'd encounter
during alpha stages of the development process, not beta stages of the
development process, *especially* given the fact they're only two
weeks from launch. The code should be essentially gold at this point.

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Faeandar - 29 Oct 2004 02:07 GMT

>>> Typical SOE launch then? =p
>>> (As opposed to OoW which was a fairly atypical one)
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>development process, *especially* given the fact they're only two
>weeks from launch. The code should be essentially gold at this point.

Not that I like SoE or that I even plan to play EQ2, but if you think
patch code can't dork up a perfectly stable system you're going to be
sorely disappointed in every apsect of technology.

I've seen rock-stable software get dorked because of a patch to add a
new feature or even fix a previous bug. It happens, even if the code
was "gold" up to that point.

And there's nothing to indicate the current code is stable anyway, so
it's a double whammy. But it's not restricted to anything alpha.

~F

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@ndrew - 29 Oct 2004 13:50 GMT

> Not that I like SoE or that I even plan to play EQ2, but if you think
> patch code can't dork up a perfectly stable system you're going to be
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> And there's nothing to indicate the current code is stable anyway, so
> it's a double whammy. But it's not restricted to anything alpha.

I was under the impression they had a Test Server to use as a test bed
.. obviously not so <sarcasm>

regards

@ndrew

> ~F

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johndoe@example.com - 29 Oct 2004 20:41 GMT

>>> Well except that it's not a launch, it's a patch and pretty standard beta
>>> MMOG patch day at that. Now if the launch goes anything like this, there
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> patch code can't dork up a perfectly stable system you're going to be
> sorely disappointed in every apsect of technology.

The software product my company makes occassionally goes into patch
mode. I can assure you that my patches don't "dork up" anything vital
or important two weeks before the product is due to be released. This
goes for the rest of the software developers, too.

> I've seen rock-stable software get dorked because of a patch to add a
> new feature or even fix a previous bug. It happens, even if the code
> was "gold" up to that point.

Good software companies don't let that happen two weeks before launch.

> And there's nothing to indicate the current code is stable anyway, so
> it's a double whammy. But it's not restricted to anything alpha.

Show stoppers shouldn't happen during late product betas. Period. If
a show stopper does happen, something is wrong with the development
process which should be addressed.

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toolstech - 29 Oct 2004 03:29 GMT

Crafting worked perfectly fine for me. The new icons were a bit of a
nuisance though. Specially duplicate icons for two separate woodworking
events. Oh, and the problem with being able to use the tradeskill 'spells'
outside of tradeskilling for skill increases. /bug'd that.

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Mark Morrison - 29 Oct 2004 05:00 GMT

>> KDragon <nospam.for.me.please@nospam.net> wrote in news:Tzcgd.19878
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>events. Oh, and the problem with being able to use the tradeskill 'spells'
>outside of tradeskilling for skill increases. /bug'd that.

I saw 2 woodworking symbols (after working out which symbols were for
whoch skills - cost me some health working that out) which were very
similat - both planks of wood. However, one has a ruler along the
bottom, and the other doesn't.

Is this what you're referring to ?

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toolstech - 29 Oct 2004 07:46 GMT

>>Crafting worked perfectly fine for me. The new icons were a bit of a
>>nuisance though. Specially duplicate icons for two separate woodworking
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>
> Is this what you're referring to ?

Yeah, I guess so. I've got those two icons on my secondary bar, so the
ruler at the bottom is hidden by Alt-8. Looked identical with that hiding
it.

I took quite a bit of time to rearrange each of the icons in groups
depending upon what crafting category they belonged too. General icons for
daydreaming, etc, then alchemy, arcana, etc. Makes it much easier to hunt
for the appropriate icons when you only have to worry about a smaller group
depending upon what your crafting.

Of course, it kind of threw me at first that crafting paper at the arcana
station required woodworking icons. That almost killed me.

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Mark Morrison - 29 Oct 2004 13:47 GMT

>I took quite a bit of time to rearrange each of the icons in groups
>depending upon what crafting category they belonged too. General icons for
>daydreaming, etc, then alchemy, arcana, etc. Makes it much easier to hunt
>for the appropriate icons when you only have to worry about a smaller group
>depending upon what your crafting.

Yeah, I now have 3 toolbars full of tradeskill icons, split into
groups, with a space between them. Now I just need to remember which
skills are for which trade..

And I also find it weird that there are a lot of overlaps. There's
one button, looks like a blue cube, which seems to be almost universal
at increasing both quality AND time - I often get +5 +50 when using
it. Handy after taking a few hits to quality.

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Graeme Faelban - 29 Oct 2004 15:31 GMT

> KDragon <nospam.for.me.please@nospam.net> wrote in news:Tzcgd.19878
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> with a vengeance. That game is totally not ready to go live on the
> 8th. I'm glad I dont' have a pre- order to cancel.

Ah, well, if he is talking about EQ2, it would be nice to specify that...

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KDragon - 29 Oct 2004 18:26 GMT

> Ah, well, if he is talking about EQ2, it would be nice to specify that...

My apologies Graeme. Won't happen again.

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Bob Perez - 29 Oct 2004 00:08 GMT

> Anyone else crashing out within seconds of logging? Maximum I've lasted so
> far is 20 seconds. I brought up the spell window, then hit the "/" to mark
> myself /afk, kaboom, lol.

Had the same problem and my 2 accounts are both running fine after a machine
reboot. I think the problem is that the patch installed a file that requires
Windows to restart, so you need to reboot your machine. After I did that on
both machines I was in and stable with no problems.

I heard that Antonica was down and laggy so I stayed away from there and
focused on tradeskilling. Holy crap did they change that world. The spells
are all different, they've been segregated across different world devices,
and all new dependencies have developed for 20+ items. I have new recipes
for Alchemy 20, 21 and 22 but can't make any of the potions, poisons or 20+
combat art essences without the participation of Jewelers to make Advanced
Potion Vials and they need from me Hexanoid Loam to make those. Except I'm
missing the recipe. ALL of the prices changed and so spells cost me about
twice as much to make now. In all the confusion over the new system and the
new pricing, not many people are actually making things. Within 10 seconds
of my putting a dozen Runes and Spells on my merchant, they started selling
and were sold out in a few minutes.

Patch day. Gotta love it. :)

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Graeme Faelban - 29 Oct 2004 15:31 GMT

KDragon <nospam.for.me.please@nospam.net> wrote in news:Tzcgd.19878
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> Anyone else crashing out within seconds of logging? Maximum I've
> lasted so far is 20 seconds. I brought up the spell window, then hit
> the "/" to mark myself /afk, kaboom, lol.

No problems here, raided last night, as did several other guilds on EMarr.

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Ken Andrews - 29 Oct 2004 19:05 GMT

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> Anyone else crashing out within seconds of logging? Maximum I've
> lasted so far is 20 seconds. I brought up the spell window, then hit
> the "/" to mark myself /afk, kaboom, lol.

It was killing me on the second character typed in the chat window,
consistently. Didn't affect the bug window, so I /bugged it.

Tried playing without texting, but got kicked after a couple of minutes.
So, off to the website, found the "reboot your machine" post. Did so, no
problems after that.

Other things, however...

The new crafting symbols, a whole truckload of them, are seriously gibbled.
Found that I could get skillups just by randomly poking them, that was
useful. Found that *any* symbol could be used as a response while working
at the woodworking table. Had to use matching ones at the forge, though.
That was painful to find out. Also, the casting bar's gone missing when
using the modifier "spells".

Prices on the vendors got modded a bit, here and there. And I found a
lovely exploit. Sale price on tin arrows was set to 125 pence. Now,
construction price figures out to 134 pence, so no problem. Until you
remember that construction makes about 7 arrows. It got bugged, of course.
Arrow price this morning is now set to 7 pence. That's actually overkill.
Break-even's at about 13 pence.

Also, vendors are now offering slightly different prices depending on the
quality of what you're selling. All of my previous experience was that the
prices were identical for, say, crude / shaped / normal / pristine elm
lumber.

Live in 2 weeks, and I'm preordered. Oh, I've also got 4 days of holidays
booked starting the evening of the 10th.

I've got a fit, now I just have to find a shan.

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