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Game Forum / Role Playing Games / EverQuest / October 2004hunger and thirst
Since my monk started long before the new Tutorial got added, he's been running around with a wasted Charm slot. I recently saw the Tainted Heartstone, which gives bonusses based on how many uncommon languages you know, so I picked one up for him... only to notice too late that it's not usable by monks. Pooh. So I gave it to my druid instead (and had a language-spamming session with some guildmates so she learned all the relevant languages in 4 hours), and then sent the monk shopping again. This time I tried a Stone of Defiance, which gives stats a bit better than a Bristlebanes Party Platter, but only if you're hungry. (It actually gives the stats before you're told you're hungry, though you have to be out of food for a while.) My worry, of course, is that I've seen in many places that being hungry and/or thirsty will affect my regen of hp/mana/end. I was hoping to find a relatively flexible procedure that would leave me with full regen while still leaving the charm active. (E.g., I thought maybe I could start foraging once I got told I was hungry, and I'd usually find some food before my regen vanished. Or something like that.) Turns out it pretty darned easy to keep the charm active with no ill effects other than chat-window spam about being hungry. I've been going around with no food for several hours now, and as near as I can tell my hp regen is the same as ever. I have no mana, of course, but just to check, I had my druid go around hungry and thirsty for a while, and I saw no change in regen for any of hp/mana/end, sitting or standing. This isn't completely true. Every once in a while, I notice my monk's ENDR starts dropping, even when he's not doing anything. It drops by 3/tick, and doesn't come back. I don't actually use endurance for much, so it doesn't bother me, and in any case I usually find my ENDR is back to full after the next fight! Last night I tracked that down: it seems that when my ENDR is dropping 3/tick, if I use "throw stone" (level 1 discipline) to tag a mob my ENDR bar zips back up to full. WTF? So mostly I'm happy because this means I get a pretty nice charm and all I have to do is put up with chat-spam. But I'm worried that it's actually a bug (or, horrors, an exploit!) and I don't want to grow too attached to it. I assume that most people don't go around hungry or thirsty in game, but does anyone have any solid experience with what the effects are, or were, or are supposed to be? -- Don. --------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Sukrasisx, Monk 45 on E. Marr Note: If you reply by mail, -- Terrwini, Druid 34 on E. Marr I'll get to it sooner if you -- Wizbeau, Wizard 32 on E. Marr remove the "hyphen n s" -- http://www.iCynic.com/~don > So mostly I'm happy because this means I get a pretty nice charm > and all I have to do is put up with chat-spam. But I'm worried [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > solid experience with what the effects are, or were, or are > supposed to be? I have no idea how it works now, but I do know that my trader, a low level wizard, never regained his mana when he went hungry and thirsty. That was standing, not sitting (don't think I tested that), but it was quite noticeable when he ran OOM once and weeks later was still OOM. I haven't gone hungry on any character since then long enough to notice. >> So mostly I'm happy because this means I get a pretty nice charm >> and all I have to do is put up with chat-spam. But I'm worried [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > I haven't gone hungry on any character since then long enough to > notice. Yeah, my paladin trader mule also noticed those effects, eventually, after he had no food or water for a very long time.  SignatureOn Erollisi Marr in <Sanctuary of Marr> Ancient Graeme Faelban, Barbarian Prophet of 68 seasons Tainniel Fleabane, Halfling Warrior of 32 seasons Giluven, Wood Elf Druid of 29 seasons Graeniel, High Elf Enchanter of 25 seasons > Since my monk started long before the new Tutorial got added, > he's been running around with a wasted Charm slot. I recently [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > session with some guildmates so she learned all the relevant > languages in 4 hours), and then sent the monk shopping again. Just as an FYI, I noticed 2 days ago that you can teach yourself a language, at least while in a group. If you spam in a language in a group, you will get skillups in the language you are spamming, as well as any languages that others are spamming. I taught myself Dragon and Elder Dragon from 50 and 40 respectively to 100 each while being taught Elder Tier'dal, Gnoll, and some other language by someone else in the group SignatureOn Erollisi Marr in <Sanctuary of Marr> Ancient Graeme Faelban, Barbarian Prophet of 68 seasons Tainniel Fleabane, Halfling Warrior of 32 seasons Giluven, Wood Elf Druid of 29 seasons Graeniel, High Elf Enchanter of 25 seasons > Just as an FYI, I noticed 2 days ago that you can teach yourself a > language, at least while in a group. If you spam in a language in a group, > you will get skillups in the language you are spamming, as well as any > languages that others are spamming. I taught myself Dragon and Elder > Dragon from 50 and 40 respectively to 100 each while being taught Elder > Tier'dal, Gnoll, and some other language by someone else in the group Ah, thanks for the tip. I'd read -- and recently verified -- that you could teach yourself a language by spamming it while in a different zone from the rest of the group, but I thought that if you were in the same zone you had to be listening to someone else's spam to get skillups. Even so, the main thing to remember about learning languages is that you no longer have to change zones for the skillups to take effect, so if you and a buddy are spamming each other to learn some languages, you don't have to zone back and forth to keep improving. When my druid learned the languages to activate the Tainted Heartstone charm, she also learned a few racial languages (e.g. Barbarian and Froglok), plus managed to get in a little spell practice, so my log shows a total of 1579 skillups in just under 4 hours, which has to be some sort of record for me. :-) -- Don. --------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Sukrasisx, Monk 45 on E. Marr Note: If you reply by mail, -- Terrwini, Druid 34 on E. Marr I'll get to it sooner if you -- Wizbeau, Wizard 32 on E. Marr remove the "hyphen n s" -- http://www.iCynic.com/~don >>Just as an FYI, I noticed 2 days ago that you can teach yourself a >>language, at least while in a group. If you spam in a language in a group, [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > -- Wizbeau, Wizard 32 on E. Marr remove the "hyphen n s" > -- http://www.iCynic.com/~don Can you spam an npc to get skill ups or does it need to be another player? >>>Just as an FYI, I noticed 2 days ago that you can teach yourself a >>>language, at least while in a group. If you spam in a language in a [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > Can you spam an npc to get skill ups or does it need to be another > player? Off hand, I am not sure which channels you can get skillups from. I know you can from tells and from group. SignatureOn Erollisi Marr in <Sanctuary of Marr> Ancient Graeme Faelban, Barbarian Prophet of 68 seasons Tainniel Fleabane, Halfling Warrior of 32 seasons Giluven, Wood Elf Druid of 29 seasons Graeniel, High Elf Enchanter of 25 seasons >> Can you spam an npc to get skill ups or does it need to be another >> player? > >Off hand, I am not sure which channels you can get skillups from. I know >you can from tells and from group. As far as I know it's just tell, group, and probably say. Language spamming your guild will NOT work. Neither will /ooc. Shella > As far as I know it's just tell, group, and probably say. Language > spamming your guild will NOT work. Neither will /ooc. I'd be surprised if /say worked. Note that /tell (to yourself) and /gsay are both impossible to do solo. Can you set up a bazaar trader while grouped? My mule could set himself up offering to be a listener for self-taught language lessons. :-) -- Don. --------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Sukrasisx, Monk 45 on E. Marr Note: If you reply by mail, -- Terrwini, Druid 34 on E. Marr I'll get to it sooner if you -- Wizbeau, Wizard 32 on E. Marr remove the "hyphen n s" -- http://www.iCynic.com/~don >> As far as I know it's just tell, group, and probably say. Language >> spamming your guild will NOT work. Neither will /ooc. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Can you set up a bazaar trader while grouped? My mule could set himself > up offering to be a listener for self-taught language lessons. :-) Heh, I may have to ask one of my friends to let their bazaar mule be my listener. I'll give /say a try, but I am dubious that will work. Hmm, if I could get into tells while /afk with someone else who is /afk... Anyone tried that? SignatureOn Erollisi Marr in <Sanctuary of Marr> Ancient Graeme Faelban, Barbarian Prophet of 68 seasons Tainniel Fleabane, Halfling Warrior of 32 seasons Giluven, Wood Elf Druid of 29 seasons Graeniel, High Elf Enchanter of 25 seasons > Heh, I may have to ask one of my friends to let their bazaar mule be my > listener. I'll give /say a try, but I am dubious that will work. Hmm, if > I could get into tells while /afk with someone else who is /afk... Anyone > tried that? I fairly sure that /afk messages, though they look like tells, do not set off the other person's /afk message. (I've often gotten into conversations in the bazaar where both the other person and I had /afk on.) So no, you can't use that as a way to generate infinite amounts of spam in another language. As for whether the /afk message itself is converted to your current language, and if so whether it can help teach it, I don't know. -- Don. --------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Sukrasisx, Monk 45 on E. Marr Note: If you reply by mail, -- Terrwini, Druid 34 on E. Marr I'll get to it sooner if you -- Wizbeau, Wizard 32 on E. Marr remove the "hyphen n s" -- http://www.iCynic.com/~don >> Just as an FYI, I noticed 2 days ago that you can teach yourself a >> language, at least while in a group. If you spam in a language in a [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >> Dragon from 50 and 40 respectively to 100 each while being taught Elder >> Tier'dal, Gnoll, and some other language by someone else in the group Do I have to do something that makes me talk in DE or is it a given that when I talk in a group I am speaking in DE and the others in my group are speaking in their own language? I guess this is basic, but I don't get skill-ups in languages much so I must be doing something wrong. Thanks for the info......Ben >>>Just as an FYI, I noticed 2 days ago that you can teach yourself a >>>language, at least while in a group. If you spam in a language in a [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Thanks for the info......Ben Unless you are playing on the Firiona Vie server, you normally talk in Common; a language everyone in the world can speak and understand perfectly. If you want to speak another language, the command is something like /lang 4 Now everything you say in /say, /groupsay, /tell, /guildsay, /ooc, /shout, and I think the various chat channels will all be in that language. If you don't speak that language very well, then it will be garbled so nobody will ever read it perfectly (but depending on your actual skill and their ability to puzzle things out, might be able to work out what you mean.) Similarly, if they don't speak that language well, they might not understand you even if you are flawless at it. To see which languages you know (even one point of skill will do), do a /lang help This will list all the languages you know, and tell you what their number is so you can use the /lang # command to switch to them I think Common is /lang 1 for everyone, so using that to switch back to the universal tongue always works. Few people bother to learn other languages, and they are of little practical use in most situations, although it -can- be amusing to chatter away, say gnome to gnome in a party of big people for instance. On the Firiona Vie server, there -is- no "common", and you'll have great difficulty communicating with anyone other than members of your own race at first. Few people ever learn the more obscure languages like Gnome, so you'll need to learn Elvish at a minimum, and Dark Elvish will also help a lot. Oddly Human, which has the advantage of a shorter predicate, is rarely spoken. Even here, on a "role play" server with no official common language, few bother learning more than the minimum; you'll see everyone from trolls to Iksar to Vah Shir all speaking blithely in Elvish... because if they don't, half the people in their group, guild, or zone (depending on which sort of chat they are using) won't be able to understand them. I'd think that on the Zek (pvp) servers you might actually get some use out of the more obscure languages in terms of ability to communicate secretly in zone wide open formats... but then all it would take would be a few people on the "other side" who are willing to put in the couple hours work to teach themselves Dark Speech or whatever to break your "code" Grage, 57 Barbarian Berserker who's never learned one new language (Luclin) Splendid One, 65 gnome mage with half the languages in the game at 100 (FV) Bergh Brelltender, 65 cleric, every language in the game at 100 (Morell Thule, so no reason for it at all) > > Do I have to do something that makes me talk in DE or is it a given that > > when I talk in a group I am speaking in DE and the others in my group are [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Now everything you say in /say, /groupsay, /tell, /guildsay, /ooc, > /shout, and I think the various chat channels will all be in that language. (further explanation snipped) Thanks Lance, I was thinking of adding a language question to the FAQ, and your reply will be a good starting point, especially since I had no personal experience with languages on FV. (Though I did start a character there just long enough to verify that humans speak "Human" instead of "Common", since somebody recently questioned that part of the FAQ.) One item I think is worth adding, is that /lang # can be tricky if you have multiple chat windows. You need to do the /lang # in your Main Chat, otherwise it won't affect any hotkeys you have that speak text. I *think* that /lang # in a different window will affect /say, /g, /t, etc. typed *in that window*, but I'm not entirely sure. (It's hard to tell, because you can always see your own text clearly.) I should do some experiments with that before adding the Q to the FAQ. -- Don. --------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Sukrasisx, Monk 45 on E. Marr Note: If you reply by mail, -- Terrwini, Druid 34 on E. Marr I'll get to it sooner if you -- Wizbeau, Wizard 32 on E. Marr remove the "hyphen n s" -- http://www.iCynic.com/~don <snip> >Do I have to do something that makes me talk in DE or is it a given that >when I talk in a group I am speaking in DE and the others in my group are >speaking in their own language? >I guess this is basic, but I don't get skill-ups in languages much so I must >be doing something wrong. Right click on the bar for the window labeled "Main Chat" and scroll down the menu to where it says "Languages". You will see a submenu with all of your languages and just click on the one you want to have as your default. It will stay there until you pick another default language so make sure to reselect when you are done with that language. __ Wackee Limbsoff Cleric 52 Nameless Wulfbones Evilspawn Necromancer 53 Nameless Gahlan Wulfbones Beastlord 52 Nameless Wulfbones Thank you everyone for the info. Now I will see if I can get anyone in my guild to do skill-ups. Ben, too many on Nameless |
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