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Game Forum / Role Playing Games / EverQuest / September 2004Weird NPC Charm issues in LDoN
Was doing an LDoN today... a hard. Monk went off ahead to pull, gets some aggro, fails his FD, gets charmed... and then suddenly 4 mobs (and our still-charmed groupmate) come racing into camp to wreak some significant havoc. Charm wears off, Monk dies....Interestingly the enchanter that charmed him never aggros group. OK. That was weird! Twenty minutes later we're fighting another caster, who fears me, and i proceed to run three rooms deeper into the dungeon. When it finally wears off I'm immediately dazzled for another few minutes. Group meanwhile has finsished enchanter, regrouped, and single pulled a skeleton to work on. I plan to FD at the earliest opportunity, and rejoin them when they fight they're way in to me. Dazzle wears off I hit FD, but get interrupted (I'm in a room with 3 mobs), and now I get charmed... and suddenly I'm tearing off towards my group... charm wears, I've got a swarm on me (8-9 mobs). I die FAST. 15 seconds later the swarm descends on my group and shreds them. OK. That was REALLY wierd! I've *never* seen that sort of behaviour. Two players charmed, both times all mobs in the vicinity are 'auto-aggroed' on the group, and head towards it. Previously if you got charmed and the rest of the group was out-of-sight and unaggroed, you just stood around until it wore off. The 'new' charm appears to aggro you on your former group, chain aggroing everyone in the area. Anyhow we missed the win by one kill, which is even more aggravating. Have others noticed this? Is it a bug? When did it go in? What the hell can you do to mitigate it. Fear/Charm is bad enough in LDoNs... but now it seems to nearly autowipe the group. > The 'new' charm appears to aggro you on your former group, chain > aggroing everyone in the area. Are you sure this is new? I remember when the gypsy chick in NK charmed my Iksar -- what faction is SHE on, anyway? the other gypsies all love me -- anyway, she charmed me, and I found myself sent off to attack some other PC not even in my group. And of course there's the classic "I'm wwwwaaaaadddd" story, where someone tries to help a lowbie but accidentally casts mez on that same gypsy, so she charms him, and for no reason whatsoever orders him to kill the lowbie. So clearly there's a history of caster mobs sending charmed PCs off to attack other nearby PCs. -- Don. --------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Sukrasisx, Monk 41 on E. Marr Note: If you reply by mail, -- Terrwini, Druid 31 on E. Marr I'll get to it sooner if you -- Wizbeau, Wizard 30 on E. Marr remove the "hyphen n s" -- http://www.iCynic.com/~don >> The 'new' charm appears to aggro you on your former group, chain >> aggroing everyone in the area. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > him to kill the lowbie. So clearly there's a history of caster > mobs sending charmed PCs off to attack other nearby PCs. My impression was that if you were charmed then aggro worked on line of sight. >>> The 'new' charm appears to aggro you on your former group, chain >>> aggroing everyone in the area. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > My impression was that if you were charmed then aggro worked on line of > sight. It's worse than that. Back in the good old days, someone charmed by Noble in Sol B would aggro people in King, well out of sight. I almost get the idea that awareness radius for a character is the same as max tracking radius or something odd like that. James > > The 'new' charm appears to aggro you on your former group, chain > > aggroing everyone in the area. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > him to kill the lowbie. So clearly there's a history of caster > mobs sending charmed PCs off to attack other nearby PCs. In both scenarios the group was 2+ rooms away when the monk and later myself got charmed. Group was *nowhere* in sight. In the case of the monk; we'd killed our mob. The monk went forward to pull the next one, the group hung back, with an empty hallway before the next room. The monk got charmed, and then 3 skells and the monk came pouring back on the group. No way we should have had aggro. >>>The 'new' charm appears to aggro you on your former group, chain >>>aggroing everyone in the area. [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > The monk got charmed, and then 3 skells and the monk came pouring back > on the group. No way we should have had aggro. This behavior is new to me, I haven't seen anything like it, either from years of playing nor currently. But I can think of something I've seen that resembles it... are you sure the monk was charmed and not feared? Feared he might run in practically any direction, and the mobs would follow him. Later, a mob may have charmed him; while a little odd, this feared and then charmed behavior would mean he'd run with mobs to you, then the mobs would stop chasing him and attack you, while he stopped running and attacked you as well. Barring this, well, its disturbing, because when charmed the PC basically becomes a mob, and has no way of knowing who is in his group and who isn't and should be using a form of aggro similar to that all other mobs use. This would represent a radical change. Not necessarily an illogical change, but its not the way its always worked in the past, so we'd have to think about what it might mean in terms of changes in approach... Grage Only thing I've had that was close to this was along this line. I was main tank in a LDON was first feared running me into another room picking up mobs, however while still feared I ran back into the room with my group. We now had 3-4 adds plus original pull. At this point mob who originally feared me now charmed me and I went to work beating the crap out of the groups cleric. Luckily cleric didn't die and other members where able to handle adds.. SS > >>>The 'new' charm appears to aggro you on your former group, chain > >>>aggroing everyone in the area. [quoted text clipped - 40 lines] > > Grage > >>>The 'new' charm appears to aggro you on your former group, chain > >>>aggroing everyone in the area. [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > This behavior is new to me, I haven't seen anything like it, either from > years of playing nor currently. Previously when you charmed and your group was un aggroed you'd just follow the charmer around like a pet until it wore off. This is what - should- have happened from preivous experiences. But its not what happened, twice. > But I can think of something I've seen that resembles it... are you sure > the monk was charmed and not feared? Feared he might run in practically [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > mobs would stop chasing him and attack you, while he stopped running and > attacked you as well. Its an interesting question. I'd have to repeat the 'experiment'. :) In the case of the monk, its worth pointing out that the 3 skeletons ran at us -before- the monk got to us. At any rate it doesn't explain why I unleashed a swarm back on my group when I finally died. Even if I'd been feared and charmed (which I'd swear I wasn't) I never got back to my group. But once charm broke and they killed me they tore off after my group. (And I died well out of sight of the group.) > Barring this, well, its disturbing, because when charmed the PC > basically becomes a mob, and has no way of knowing who is in his group [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > so we'd have to think about what it might mean in terms of changes in > approach... |
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