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Matt Simons - 27 Aug 2004 06:58 GMT
Hi,

Could someone tell me if giving equipment/weapons to a BL pet has any
effect ?

I have tried give summoned items to the pet, which it accepts, but, can
not tell if they are having an effect.

thanks in advance.

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Pamela Carlton - 27 Aug 2004 07:02 GMT
> Hi,
>
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>
> thanks in advance.

I found this chart useful

http://www.eqbeastlord.com/petchart.html

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N. Ziember - 27 Aug 2004 16:01 GMT
> > Hi,
> >
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>
> http://www.eqbeastlord.com/petchart.html

From that chart:

Best Weapons by Level:
/.../
Level 62 warder: 2 H2H weapons only. Minimum weapon damage to be useful is
36.
Level 64 warder: 2 H2H weapons only. Minimum weapon damage to be useful is
37.

Err, H2H weapons with dmg > 36.
Do they exist?

/NZ
Oneiromancer - 27 Aug 2004 19:50 GMT
> From that chart:
>
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> Err, H2H weapons with dmg > 36.
> Do they exist?

No, but the point is basically that pets will use their intrinsic
damage or the weapon's damage, whichever is higher.  However, they
will use the procs on those weapons regardless.  This is why the Mage
summoned weapons are useful to give to our pets...the procs add up
over time even if the melee damage doesn't change.

Game on,

The Oneiromancer
Chuck - 27 Aug 2004 18:42 GMT
>> Could someone tell me if giving equipment/weapons to a BL pet has any
>> effect ?
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
>http://www.eqbeastlord.com/petchart.html

The chart does not mention procs. Any weapon with a proc will be used
by your pet. So the mage summoned ones with the DD on them will add to
his combat abilities. I like giving my pet a couple of gnoll hide
lariots. They proc a stun, it's nice to see my pet chain stun caster
mobs. (Of course I'm a shamman, so it's not quite the same thing, my
doggie will not dual wield unless I give him two weapons.)

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Jitar GrRahiir - 27 Aug 2004 09:30 GMT
> I have tried give summoned items to the pet, which it accepts, but, can
> not tell if they are having an effect.

I see someone else posted the link for the chart at eqbl...

My experiance with pet weapons to date is much like yours. I cant
really tell (or notice) any real difference giving my BL warder
weapons.

When I play my necro I definatly notice the difference in damage
by giving my pet weapons, but not the BL pet.
sesrin - 27 Aug 2004 09:40 GMT
> Hi,
>
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> thanks in advance.

Yes it does - I suffered the same problem and could not work out by the
damage being done by the pet if they had an effect as it appeared to do the
same damage by the on screen messages.  But what I could tell is the target
died faster and I had to heal pet less. Its obvious they must get more HP
but I can only assume the weapons allow the pet to land hits more often
rather than misses.
Palindrome - 27 Aug 2004 10:28 GMT
>Hi,
>
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
>thanks in advance.
They work great, but only if the pet meets any level restrictions for
summoned weapons.  Hand of Ixiblat procs at level 10, but the summoned
blades don't proc until 40, I think.

I equip my Beastlord pet as much as I can, with two summoned Hand of
Ixiblat pet toys (150 fire proc each), summoned Girdle for 500 extra
hp and +15 stat boosts, and a suit of summoned Plate armour.*  

You can actually *see* the weapons process (as they did when I started
using daggers of dropping and gnoll lariats), read the message saying
the mob has been hit by "whatever" and the mob's hit points also drop
correspondingly.  When using plain old weapons like rusty daggers and
whatnot, I must admit I couldn't really see much evidence of extra
damage being done, but presumed it was there, heh.

Palindrome

* (A lot of people don't know they can give pets armour, which is a
great shame.  The summoned plate adds 76ac to the pet, if I remember
rightly. This gives the pet a significant advantage, especially a
low-level pet!  By summoning various other extra bits, such as rings,
etc., my lvl 44 mage can boost his pet's ac by +101ac)
Sean Kennedy - 27 Aug 2004 13:37 GMT
>>Hi,
>>
[quoted text clipped - 27 lines]
> low-level pet!  By summoning various other extra bits, such as rings,
> etc., my lvl 44 mage can boost his pet's ac by +101ac)

When I want the toughest pet possible I summon foci for the pet -
they add 160hp and more AC (2 bracers, 2 rings, 2 earrings, neck,
shoulders.)  I also summon an elemental defender -- give your pet
weapons first then the shield and he'll equip it on the back slot,
otherwise he'll equip it in the offhand and stop dual-wielding.

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the wharf rat - 27 Aug 2004 13:58 GMT
>When I want the toughest pet possible I summon foci for the pet -

    When I want the toughest pet possible I make friends with
a dwarf warrior.  They come with their own foci and can be charmed with ale.
Sean Kennedy - 27 Aug 2004 14:41 GMT
>      When I want the toughest pet possible I make friends with
> a dwarf warrior.  They come with their own foci and can be charmed
> with ale.

</snicker>

Yeah, but my little Spike is often a better conversationalist than
those stinky dwarves .............

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Palindrome - 27 Aug 2004 21:04 GMT
>When I want the toughest pet possible I summon foci for the pet -
>they add 160hp and more AC (2 bracers, 2 rings, 2 earrings, neck,
>shoulders.)  I also summon an elemental defender -- give your pet
>weapons first then the shield and he'll equip it on the back slot,
>otherwise he'll equip it in the offhand and stop dual-wielding.
Drat, I meant my lvl 41 mage, heh.  I summon the foci items I can, but
hadn't cottoned onto the dodge with the elemental defender - thanks
very much for the tip!

Palindrome  
Don Woods - 27 Aug 2004 11:23 GMT
> Could someone tell me if giving equipment/weapons to a BL pet has any
> effect ?
>
> I have tried give summoned items to the pet, which it accepts, but, can
> not tell if they are having an effect.

Someone who runs a couple pet classes was telling me tonight that
giving items to the pet, summoned or otherwise, will affect stats
and might proc, but will NOT affect the damage or delay.  The pet
can accept any equipment a Warrior could.

(So my plan was foiled.  I'd been hoping to have a friend give his
pet a primary-equippable item that's not a weapon, so the pet would
do no damage, and then I could practice weapon skills by fighting it.)

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Palindrome - 27 Aug 2004 11:48 GMT
>> Could someone tell me if giving equipment/weapons to a BL pet has any
>> effect ?
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>and might proc, but will NOT affect the damage or delay.  The pet
>can accept any equipment a Warrior could.
Yes, and that's the most succinct way I have seen it put  :)

Palindrome
Michael Cooper - 27 Aug 2004 12:08 GMT
> (So my plan was foiled.  I'd been hoping to have a friend give his
> pet a primary-equippable item that's not a weapon, so the pet would
> do no damage, and then I could practice weapon skills by fighting it.)

3 words:

Glowing. Black. Sword.
N. Ziember - 27 Aug 2004 15:58 GMT
> > (So my plan was foiled.  I'd been hoping to have a friend give his
> > pet a primary-equippable item that's not a weapon, so the pet would
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> Glowing. Black. Sword.

I don't get it.
That weapon procs a dispell, how could that be useful for anything really?

I don't want my pet to dispell the slows and dots and stuff...
...or if it's really self only, then I definitely don't want it to dispell
its buffs and haste.

Light please? =)
/NZ
rja75@bellsouth.net - 27 Aug 2004 20:46 GMT
>> > (So my plan was foiled.  I'd been hoping to have a friend give his
>> > pet a primary-equippable item that's not a weapon, so the pet would
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
>Light please? =)
>/NZ

The GBS has 20 DEX to help you learn your skill.  If you are below 40
or 45 (I forget the level required for the weapon to process), the
extra dex will help you learn your weapon skills.  Not much use in
using it if you are high enough to process the weapon and have a DEX
buff from a shaman.  You don't really need buffs when practicing with
a weapon since the caster can call off the pet any time or even put
the pet on hold and let you swing at it.
Michael Cooper - 28 Aug 2004 01:28 GMT
>>>(So my plan was foiled.  I'd been hoping to have a friend give his
>>>pet a primary-equippable item that's not a weapon, so the pet would
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
> Light please? =)
> /NZ

The person I was replying to wanted to equip a pet with a view to REDUCE
it's effectiveness. I think the pet losing a buff every 20 seconds
(average) would count as a reduction in effectiveness :P
Graeme Faelban - 30 Aug 2004 14:41 GMT
>>>>(So my plan was foiled.  I'd been hoping to have a friend give his
>>>>pet a primary-equippable item that's not a weapon, so the pet would
[quoted text clipped - 19 lines]
> REDUCE it's effectiveness. I think the pet losing a buff every 20
> seconds (average) would count as a reduction in effectiveness :P

Given the usage the pet is being put to, the liklihood of it's having
buffs to begin with would be rather slim, unless it's a self buffing pet.

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Michael Cooper - 28 Aug 2004 01:39 GMT
>>>(So my plan was foiled.  I'd been hoping to have a friend give his
>>>pet a primary-equippable item that's not a weapon, so the pet would
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
> Light please? =)
> /NZ

Addenum because I'm stupid in the mornings.

Yes the proc is self only. So it owuld constantly remove the pets buffs.
I was just thinking of an alternative way to be irritating to the
beastlord in question. If you want to practice your weapon skills just
find a high level beastlord, get him to activate pet hold, duel him and
go to town. Make sure you're behind the pet, thos level 64 pets can
riposte fairly nasty, especially if yuo're a low level
Graeme Faelban - 30 Aug 2004 14:42 GMT
>>>>(So my plan was foiled.  I'd been hoping to have a friend give his
>>>>pet a primary-equippable item that's not a weapon, so the pet would
[quoted text clipped - 24 lines]
> him and go to town. Make sure you're behind the pet, thos level 64
> pets can riposte fairly nasty, especially if yuo're a low level

Does a pet on hold still turn to face the nearest threat?

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Sean Kennedy - 30 Aug 2004 14:54 GMT
> Does a pet on hold still turn to face the nearest threat?

Yes - that's why skilling weapons skills up on them gets
you worn down over time - they riposte faster than my kitty's
standing regen at 60 (with regen on) can keep up.

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Graeme Faelban - 30 Aug 2004 16:00 GMT
>> Does a pet on hold still turn to face the nearest threat?
>
> Yes - that's why skilling weapons skills up on them gets
> you worn down over time - they riposte faster than my kitty's
> standing regen at 60 (with regen on) can keep up.

I assumed as much, but, figured I'd ask before refuting the point you
snipped.

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N. Ziember - 30 Aug 2004 22:58 GMT
> Does a pet on hold still turn to face the nearest threat?

No, only if it's put on guard, just like usual.

A regular "following" warder will not behave any differently if put on hold,
except that it of course is "waiting for your order to attack".

/NZ
Graeme Faelban - 31 Aug 2004 14:17 GMT
>> Does a pet on hold still turn to face the nearest threat?
>
> No, only if it's put on guard, just like usual.
>
> A regular "following" warder will not behave any differently if put on
> hold, except that it of course is "waiting for your order to attack".

I am almost certain that when my pet is on follow, and I am not moving, he
turns to face the nearest threat, I'll have to remember to double check
that though.

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Sean Kennedy - 27 Aug 2004 13:39 GMT
>> Could someone tell me if giving equipment/weapons to a BL pet has any
>> effect ?
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
> -- Wizbeau, Wizard 20 on E. Marr       remove the "hyphen n s"
> -- http://www.iCynic.com/~don     

Actually, if the pet's base damage is less than 2x the weapon
damage then a weapon will boost their damage.  However, for
PoP pets that would requie a 45 damage and up weapon.

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Graeme Faelban - 27 Aug 2004 15:20 GMT
>> Could someone tell me if giving equipment/weapons to a BL pet has any
>> effect ?
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> and might proc, but will NOT affect the damage or delay.  The pet
> can accept any equipment a Warrior could.

Pets at least used to be able to equip items that were NONE/NONE, so, they
could use things a warrior could not.

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Chuck - 27 Aug 2004 18:47 GMT
>Someone who runs a couple pet classes was telling me tonight that
>giving items to the pet, summoned or otherwise, will affect stats
>and might proc, but will NOT affect the damage or delay.  The pet
>can accept any equipment a Warrior could.

It will not effect delay, but if the weapon is sufficiently powerfull
it will up the damage. It's just that most pets (at the level people
can afford to buy summoned equipment for their pet) already do a very
nasty amount of damage, and it takes a very strong weapon to increase
that. (The kind that no one wants to give to a pet because they sell
for thousands in the bazaar.)

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Pamela Carlton - 27 Aug 2004 14:01 GMT
> Hi,
>
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> thanks in advance.

I also enjoy the fact the pet can take aggro with it's spells ealving you to
cast other stuff if needed - great for soloing =)
Hoffhargnogn - 29 Aug 2004 21:25 GMT
>Hi,
>
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
>thanks in advance.

I don't see any damage difference with my 65 Beastlord when I give him
the summoned mage weapons.  He still does 79 damage constantly and the
only reason he does that much is because of the aug I got in LDON that
increases pet power.

I see no difference at all.
Lance Berg - 29 Aug 2004 23:33 GMT
>>Hi,
>>
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>
> I see no difference at all.

He shouldn't do any more damage with the things; their damage rating is
10, which means any pet which does more than 20 points as his max hit
isn't going to do any more with these weapons.

Damage by a pet is best of his own damage or 2x weapon damage.

For most classes, a weapon with damage of 10 is useless for increasing
damage by the time they are level 16 or so, I'm not sure of the
specifics for a beastlord pet.

Delay of a pet is unaffected by weapon (unless its a haste weapon, which
is unlikely)

There is in some classes a period where the pet will dual weild if you
give it two one handers, but not without; during this period giving pet
any two weapons will increase damage output overall by increasing the
number of swings taken... two rusty daggers will do that job as well as
two 50/50 one handers if you could find such things.  Most pets, this
period lasts a dozen levels or so and then they dual weild without
needing the hint; shaman pets are one exception to this, they -always-
benefit from a pair of broken bottles or what have you.  I'm guessing
Beastlords are not an exception.

How, then, do summoned weapons increase damage output from your pet at
high levels?  What he -is- supposed to do is proc with them, thus doing
extra damage that way.  They also boost his HP, so he lives longer...

Then you also get him a haste mask (muzzle of Mardu) which will make him
swing more often... still not for more damage, just more often

And you can round that out with a HP belt which includes dex to make him
proc more often (both the weapon procs and his own beastlord buff
procs), plus armor to increase his damage mitigation by raising his AC;
mages can summon plate armor for every "visible" spot on your body,
which is fun for handing out to newbie paladins (its red) but useful for
AC buffing pets.

Usually each of the above is available for 5pp or so in the bazaar any
time day or night, exception being the armor, which would be
inconvenient to sell like that, so is generally only available directly
from a mage in POK, where you can probably also find the rest of the kit.

Is it necessary?  No.  Does it help?  Yep, it seems a full kit is good
for about a 15% boost in your pet's usefulness (combining added damage,
added Hp, added procs, added mitigation); much more if it doesn't
naturally dual weild, astonishingly more if you are under level 20.

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