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Game Forum / Role Playing Games / EverQuest / August 2004Rogue tankage? Heh.
Well, since the rangeres are up in arms about their DPS, I figure I'll post something about rogues. One thing I've yet to figure out about most casters (necromancers excluded, and a few clerics) is why rogues and their DPS are associated with their ability to tank. Maybe it's the LDoN kiddies on the Drinal server that are finally moving into tier 3, or just a general lack of experience with the class, who know? (I don't, which is why I'm posting.) I've worked on the assumption that since about the time I've entered PoP, it was more or less common knowledge that rogues were a DPS melee class. Why do casters presume that rogues tank? I've had this problem since my early days on 46 in PoJ. Rogues are a chain melee class with not much more health than casters and significantly lower AC than a monk/berserker/tank whose usefulness has dwindled to almost nothingness since PoP except for corpse recovery when people don't feel like waiting for GY. Examples: PoJ: 3 rangers, druid, monk, and myself. Nominated as a puller and the tank. Ctrl+D (disband) PoV EW: ogre SK, cleric, druid, enchanter, necro, wizzy, and me. The SK thinks it's funny to FD pull in front of me. Fortunately the necro cast a snare DoT so I could evade. Ctrl+D BoT south camp: 2 druids, 1 enchanter with a DC pet, me. Enchanter slows at 30% health. Druids don't heal. Druid tells you, "Hey, it'd be helpful if you actually did something." /msg druid, "Hey, it'd be helpful if you or the other druid actually healed so I wouldn't be sitting out during four pulls and your botted enchanter actually slowed before 30%." Druid tells you, "I'm rooting and dotting, and the pet's out-damaging you." /msg druid, "Snare and kite. Player toons always pull agro off of pets." Druid tells you, "Never figured out how to quite." Ctrl+D *snip* > Ctrl+D (disband) . . . > Ctrl+D . . . > Ctrl+D have you ever been in a group long enouth to TALK to people and educate them ? - it's all verry well moning about people but if all you do is run away when they make any kind of mistake then you are not doing anything to HELP the situation .. i'd say pepole disbanding like that would get into my 'never again' list myself Rogues should never tank unless in exceptional circumstances. Even at lvl 37, I can backstab for as much as 200 every 12 seconds during a melee. Tanking will never be as efficient. Palindrome > Rogues should never tank unless in exceptional circumstances. Even at > lvl 37, I can backstab for as much as 200 every 12 seconds during a > melee. Tanking will never be as efficient. > > Palindrome I wasn't disagreeing there .. but the OP good as mutch said they hit disband the second they did somthing they dissagreed with .. I herd no mention of TALKING to the group, they might be the worlds bestr rogue but if they up and run when they find someone that dosn't know how to group with a rogue rather than educating they atn't helping the situation >> Rogues should never tank unless in exceptional circumstances. Even at >> lvl 37, I can backstab for as much as 200 every 12 seconds during a >> melee. Tanking will never be as efficient. >I wasn't disagreeing there .. True - I was a bit vague there :) >but the OP good as mutch said they hit disband >the second they did somthing they dissagreed with .. I herd no mention of >TALKING to the group, they might be the worlds bestr rogue but if they up >and run when they find someone that dosn't know how to group with a rogue >rather than educating they atn't helping the situation Yes, a couple of hot buttons set up to say things like "You lot all stay at the front of the mob while I backstab, please" or "Pulling means I cannot backstab mobs properly - backstabbing means I do more damage than the tanks" would always be helpful. Palindrome > have you ever been in a group long enouth to TALK to people and educate them > ? - it's all verry well moning about people but if all you do is run away > when they make any kind of mistake then you are not doing anything to HELP > the situation .. i'd say pepole disbanding like that would get into my > 'never again' list myself Yeah, I was just griping a bit. I generally do talk to the group about it before I actually disband. <SNIP> > Yeah, I was just griping a bit. I generally do talk to the group about it > before I actually disband. Generally people don't wanna hear it. Some groups have people who are watching a movie while we PL them into LDoN points. I generally avoid pick ups unless it contains guildies. I depend on a tank taunting, I have to evade during most fights where the taunt isn't up there. From the front my DPS goes way down. > Well, since the rangeres are up in arms about their DPS, I figure I'll post > something about rogues. One thing I've yet to figure out about most casters > (necromancers excluded, and a few clerics) is why rogues and their DPS are > associated with their ability to tank. Maybe it's the LDoN kiddies on the > Drinal server that are finally moving into tier 3, or just a general lack of > experience with the class, who know? (I don't, which is why I'm posting.) Eh, entirely dependant on gear regarding tanking. But ask a rgoue to tank a Hard 65 LDoN and I'll chuckle (unless of course he's Time/GoD geared but even then I think they would be a bit hard-pressed to tank). Rogue's DPS increases exponentially if they are fighting from behind (backstabs, no misses from mob defensive skills). That means if they are tanking, they won't be generating as much damage as they would not tanking. Woot Ding Grats said: >I've worked on the assumption that since about the time I've entered PoP, it >was more or less common knowledge that rogues were a DPS melee class. Why [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >usefulness has dwindled to almost nothingness since PoP except for corpse >recovery when people don't feel like waiting for GY. Because Rogues -do- tank better than casters do. But if you're gonna be a wimp about it, I could chain Arcane Rune... Yes, there are vastly better choices for a tank than a rogue. But sometimes a warrior doesn't magically drop out of the sky, so you have to make do. Personally, I'd rather have a rogue tank than sit here staring at mobs I could theoretically be killing, checking / war over and over. [65 Coercer] Zinphandel Chianti <Prism> (Gnome) Ayonae Ro >sometimes a warrior doesn't magically drop out of the sky He he, Spell: Summon Warrior. Summons a 10,000 HP warrior who never breaks mezzes from the sky. > Woot Ding Grats said: > >I've worked on the assumption that since about the time I've entered PoP, it > >was more or less common knowledge that rogues were a DPS melee class. Why > >do casters presume that rogues tank? i think i can actually answer this question. i just started playing the game maybe 6 months ago or so (probably a little more) and i was a caster. it took me a long time to find out what classes were good for what (i actually did know some about rogues, cuz i met another newb who was a rogue at level 10 or so and he's been on my friends list ever since). until about level 25 or 30, everything that was wearing armor was a tank to me. if it wasn't in a robe, it could take damage. i even asked a cleric once if he could help me out once by being a sort of meat shield for me and my friend. of course, by then i DID know that clerics weren't tanks, but since he was wearing plate armor and carrying a weapon and shield i thought he was like a warrior or something. anyways, i've noticed a shortage of rogues. i can only remember about 4 rogues that i have ever grouped with, so if i had not met my friend at a lower level and learned about the class, then when a rogued joined my group i would have seen armor and weapons and i'd probably ask him to tank. so i think it's those 2 things, the "anything that's not wearing a robe is a tank" theory, and because there are not enough rogues for people to learn about thier abilities and what thier job should be in a group situation. just some observations from a relatively new character. |
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