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Game Forum / Role Playing Games / EverQuest / April 2004rogue sneak attack questions
Good day- I love sopping up the A Jus that is the AGE forums. I'm up to lvl 26- maxed my hid-sneak-backstab skills. For the life of me I cannot get a consistent sneak attack. I have the pause set at 30 which gives me about a 4 sec delay it seems- but it only works once in a blue moon- and even then it's hardly anything to brag about. Am I missinging something here. I have the Fabled Dragon Dirk it think its 11/21 or something. How do you have your macro set- or am I just begining to understand the nerf that is the rogue. Armin Rubyde Quickfingers <Ring of Eternity> Level 26 Rogue Brell Serilis armin101 said: }I love sopping up the A Jus that is the AGE forums. Ack, we're covered in meat! }I'm up to lvl 26- maxed my hid-sneak-backstab skills. For the life of }me I cannot get a consistent sneak attack. I have the pause set at 30 }which gives me about a 4 sec delay it seems- but it only works once in }a blue moon- and even then it's hardly anything to brag about. }Am I missinging something here. I have the Fabled Dragon Dirk it }think its 11/21 or something. }How do you have your macro set- or am I just begining to understand }the nerf that is the rogue. Weapon sounds fine. As long as you have a mainhand weapon that's piercing, life is good. What I'm not clear on is why you need a hotkey for this? Perhaps you're thinking of some different kind of 'sneak attack'? I just sneak, make sure sneak was successful (con a mob, verify that I'm moving slow), hide, walk around behind the mob, face the mob's butt, and mash backstab, and autoattack a teeny fraction of a second later. At that level, even with backstab maxed, it's not going to hit every time. [27 Rogue] Pinot Chianti <Prism> (Gnome) Ayonae Ro >Weapon sounds fine. As long as you have a mainhand weapon that's >piercing, life is good. What I'm not clear on is why you need a hotkey [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >At that level, even with backstab maxed, it's not going to hit every time. Aye, very true. I have theory he might have seen the message accompanying a patch a few weeks ago, which mentioned the Sneak Attack skill giving better damage from now on. (Something like that, anyway, can't remember exactly) I *think* - because of his mention of a hot key - that he might be mixing this up with the three separate skills of Sneaking, Hiding, pausing a little bit and then Backstabbing. Sneak Attack, a separate skill in its own right, is gained after buying a book in EC Tunnel and handing it in to a Rogue Guildmaster. Anyway, hope I helped a fellow Rogue :) Palindrome Palindrome said: }(Remington Stone) wrote: }>Weapon sounds fine. As long as you have a mainhand weapon that's }>piercing, life is good. What I'm not clear on is why you need a hotkey }>for this? Perhaps you're thinking of some different kind of 'sneak }>attack'? I just sneak, make sure sneak was successful (con a mob, verify }>that I'm moving slow), hide, walk around behind the mob, face the mob's }>butt, and mash backstab, and autoattack a teeny fraction of a second }>later. }I have theory he might have seen the message accompanying a patch a }few weeks ago, which mentioned the Sneak Attack skill giving better }damage from now on. (Something like that, anyway, can't remember }exactly) I *think* - because of his mention of a hot key - that he }might be mixing this up with the three separate skills of Sneaking, }Hiding, pausing a little bit and then Backstabbing. }Sneak Attack, a separate skill in its own right, is gained after }buying a book in EC Tunnel and handing it in to a Rogue Guildmaster. }Anyway, hope I helped a fellow Rogue :) Aha! Well, you helped me, at least. Didn't think there were any disciplines with a point until at least mid-40's. I might have to look into them for a bunch of my lowbies now. :) [65 Coercer] Zinphandel Chianti <Prism> (Gnome) Ayonae Ro >}Sneak Attack, a separate skill in its own right, is gained after >}buying a book in EC Tunnel and handing it in to a Rogue Guildmaster. >}Anyway, hope I helped a fellow Rogue :) >Aha! Well, you helped me, at least. Didn't think there were any >disciplines with a point until at least mid-40's. I might have to look >into them for a bunch of my lowbies now. :) Thanks Zinphandel :) I lay no claim to genius though, as I only cottoned on to them at level 34 - I can't believe I missed out on 14 levels of extra mayhem :D For what its worth, the 5 or 6 Rogues I have chatted to/gamed with since, none of them knew either. The one at lvl 30 gives your resists a boost for a short while, so I didn't break my heart over missing that one, but 14 levels when I could have been Sneak-Attacking... Bwaaaaaaa! Palindrome > Weapon sounds fine. As long as you have a mainhand weapon that's > piercing, life is good. What I'm not clear on is why you need a hotkey [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > [27 Rogue] Pinot Chianti <Prism> (Gnome) Ayonae Ro I'm talking about the specific "sneak attack" discipline. This is the level 20 tome rogues get that after hiding for a few seconds, you should get a sure hit backstab with a damage multiplier. Mayber the problem is i'm expecting this to be something it isn't. >I'm talking about the specific "sneak attack" discipline. This is the >level 20 tome rogues get that after hiding for a few seconds, you >should get a sure hit backstab with a damage multiplier. > >Mayber the problem is i'm expecting this to be something it isn't. Ah, right. I sort of expected a sure-fire hit, too, with a consistent multiplier. It has missed a few times, but maybe I was a bit over-eager to hit that Stab button :D I was pretty happy with the hit over 400, though it is *definitely* not the norm. Normal backstab damage seems to be (very) roughly anywhere between 90 to 170 (with my biggest hit being 209) with an odd few higher and an odd few lower. I still get these sort of figures using Sneak Attack, too. I am like you, in all likelihood, expecting it to be something it isn't :) Two guildies assure me they saw a character Assassinate for 32,000 damage - I can't wait to be able to do that :O Palindrome >Good day- > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >which gives me about a 4 sec delay it seems- but it only works once in >a blue moon- and even then it's hardly anything to brag about. I assume you mean you are using a hotbutton with /doability (Sneak) to get behind a mob, then /pause 30, then /doability (Backstab)? If so, might you be possibly confusing this with the actual Sneak Attack skill? This ability is gained after buying the required book from Xernic Gutner in East Commons Tunnel and then handing the book in to your Rogue Guildmaster. I can't remember whether you get this at lvl 20 or 30, dammit... sorry :( Anyway, once you get this, you Sneak, press the Sneak Attack ability button, and you have 30 seconds in which to get behind a mob and backstab it. You have to have been Sneaking for a few seconds prior to Backstabbing, and it uses a fair bit of endurance/stamina in the process, which returns of course, but not that rapidly. The ability can be triggered every 30 seconds. Even using this, I find backstab damage varies. Up to now it has caused damage anywhere from about 80 to 400+ at lvl 36 (Backstab is only 3 points off max), but I am told it can be *much* higher. I haven't got lucky yet either :) Palindrome | Good day- | [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] | | Armin I've been trying to get this working too .... have a macro setup which works fine if it's the first time I attack a mob. The same macro however doesn't work if used during a fight, I get a message saying I haven't been hidden long enough even thought hide was successful and it's the same delay before the /disc sneak line in the hotkey. Mal > | Good day- > | [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > Mal Delay can be lagged. I usually use a few seconds manually. > I've been trying to get this working too .... have a macro setup which works > fine if it's the first time I attack a mob. The same macro however doesn't [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Mal You can only use the sneak attack line at the start of a fight - you need to be agro free to hide (if you have any agro, you will just evade). That means if there's a multi-mob pull, you can only sneak attack on the first one. No need for a macro... just get into the habit of hitting sneak and hide after a mob dies... so you'll be hidden and ready when the next mob gets there. Once it does, get behind it, hit sneak attack, then backstab and evade/autoattack. Baron Hexfate Decay - 65 Arch Lich Senaca Lacerate - 56 rogue Tarew Marr >> I've been trying to get this working too .... have a macro setup which >works [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] >Senaca Lacerate - 56 rogue >Tarew Marr I second that. It took me a while to figure this out. Sneak, hide then sneak attack. At level 47 I did a critical hit for 770. > > I've been trying to get this working too .... have a macro setup which > works [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > Senaca Lacerate - 56 rogue > Tarew Marr This was the info I was looking for. I need the hot botton spot i was using for this. Armin |
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