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Monual's Chain Reaction
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Richard Lawson - 23 Apr 2004 18:49 GMT Well, Everquest has become rather static. With Uqua broken, all we can do is Ikkiniz raids over and over, taking two days out for Time. Enthusiasm has been waning, since progress is stalled and any Ikki stuff requiring a large investment of time and the near-certainty of multiple deaths.
This boredom has resulted in a certain laxity. For example, in Phase 3 of Time our monks routinely pull eight mobs at once. This makes me pull out my hair because I'm constantly having to rez and rebuff the people who inevitably die. This went to a bit of an extreme when twenty mobs from Phase 5 were pulled to the raid, wiping it quite effectively. The pulls were a bit more tame after that.
This again just emphasizes how bored we are. I've taken the time to try and work on some GoD baking - in part to get skill-ups and in part to work on the faction quest. By handing certain slaves certain baked items, you can increase faction with them, which helps with other quests. I'm a little fuzzy on the whole thing, to tell the truth, but I'm having fun making the food and attempting to get skill-ups.
The GoD baking recipes are ones that require multiple subcombines. I managed to find *lots* of Tuna, Crab, Hynid, and Cragbeast meat for sale, more than I'll ever need. It takes two combines to turn a 15lb hunk of Tuna to 15 Tuna Meats. Then I hate to butter-braise them - and I was extremely perturbed that butter has to be made, it can't be store-bought. No one in all of Norrath sells butter? I could make a fortune in Freeport by opening Monual's Butter Emporium.
Oh, and I also have to create many lumps of egg batter. That's not a problem, however, since they fixed the recipe - used to be that one egg, no matter what size, produced one egg batter. Now basilisk eggs will produce 15 egg batters. And those are easy to get in Lavastorm.
So, I turn a tuna fish into tuna meat, make some butter, make garlic-butter sauce, use it to garlic-butter the tuna, farm eggs, make egg batter, and now combine everything... oops, need vegetables. No problem, where do they sell those?
Oh, you have to forage them?
FORAGE THEM?!?
How am I, a human cleric, supposed to *forage* ingredients? I try the bazaar but there are pitifully few vegetables for sale. There's a froglok forager in Gukta who will periodically (read: once an hour) appear and sell 10 vegetables. I badger my guildmates but very few have been collecting vegetables - I do manage to cajole two stacks of vegetables from the druids in my guild, for which I express gratitude. But that's not nearly enough, I want to use this as a skill-up, to get over 200 in baking while at the same time producing large quantities of the quest food to build faction.
Gosh darnit all to heck, how am I supposed to get vegetables?
Way way back when I was looking to get a human GM smith to make some Heraldic armor for Monual, my continued frustrations finally prompted a decision that was to consume my playtime for weeks to come: Monual would himself become a human GM smith. And he did, and it's been extremely useful, but it sure took a lot of time and effort. One simple decision led to a chain reaction that significantly altered how I played the game.
But I don't regret it, so I decide to make another decision. I'll just have to create a druid and get his foraging up to 200 and forage the gosh-darned vegetables myself.
So, decided, I bring up my second account, the one with Marrtuk on it. I go to the character creation screen. I select a wood elf, male, Tunare-worshipping druid, dump points into WIS, then put the leftover in STR so he can carry stuff without complaining. When it comes to selecting a name I draw a blank. I actually put time and effort into selecting Marrtuk's name, but that was because I planned to play Marrtuk as a serious alt. This druid will be nothing but a foraging bot that I could care less about. But at the same time I am (very mildy) annoyed when I see names like Drubot or Rezme or Phroak or any names that show a complete lack of imagination. However, I don't want to expend a lot of imagination myself. =) So I start with "MonDRU" and rearrange the letters to come up with Rudnom. Good enough.
Then comes the shopping spree. I seriously twinked out Marrtuk when I created him but I don't want to do this with Rudnom - I just want him to be able to get by. So I set a spending cap of 2K per slot and try to aim for much less. I find that 2K can usually get you a halfway-decent piece of gear, and if someone is selling it for 2K someone else is selling it for 1K. It takes a long time going slot by slot, and I make a couple of bad purchasing decisions, buying level-limited items. But in the end I have a level 1 druid with over 1K hitpoints unbuffed.
When I leveled up Marrtuk, he started on the same account as Monual so I couldn't power-level him. My druid bot will have my cleric's help, however. It starts by running around Orc Hill casting Mark of Retribution, a 34-point Damage Shield, on all the mobs. They die quick and Rudnom makes XP hand over fist.
Quickly I get him to level 9. I buy all my spells - slightly staggered by the number and variety, even at a low level. Then we trudge together to Paludial caverns, where Rudnom once again allows mobs to beat on him while Monual casts the reverse damage shield and heals. Rudnom shoots up to 14, and gets (blaring sound of trumpets) Spirit of Wolf.
As Rudnom moves higher and higher, though, the mobs that are beating on him get tougher and tougher. And while Monual can cast HP buffs on him, those buffs wear off after an annoying short amount of time. I'd rather fire and forget when it comes to buffing. Aegolism and Virtue have spoiled me; one cast, and hours of silence regarding rebuffing.
So, with the utmost reluctance, I decide I just have to do the Temperance quest. On the surface it's easy: get one drop, turn it in to one mob. Monual, solo, heads over to Dulak's Harbor. My first foray there is a couple of hours killing mobs on one of the boats. No XP, no drop. I go back a second time, a couple more hours, no drops. Finally, at long last, during my third expedition I get the drop I need. Dangit, if only Monual could solo better.
Now comes the turn-in. The mob is a female Erudite spirit that is an uncommon spawn at a certain point in the Gulf of Gunthak. I head Monual there, hoping he has the same luck Marrtuk had when doing the Light of Life quest, and that the mob will already be up when I arrive. Nope, just a placeholder. I kill it, wait twenty minutes - another placeholder. I kill it, wait another twenty minutes, placeholder. I kill it, wait twenty minutes -
This goes on for days.
It was annoying as all get-out. Stupid spirit refused to spawn. I ended up binding Monual right at the spawn point so that after raids he could go right there and camp the mob. Sometimes other clerics would be camping there and I would always defer to them or any other cleric that came up and wanted the spawn - after all, I just wanted the spell so I could power-level a twink.
I passed the time by getting Rudnom's skills up. I spent all my training points on foraging, so I had spell-casting skills, swimming, and tracking to improve. I parked him in the Plane of Knowledge and set up a macro that would cast a bunch of spells one after the other, one from each school - Divination, Alteration, etc. A couple of times I got a chanter to cast Clarity to help with mana regen, but mostly it wasn't worth it since Clarity would wear off so quickly. So I also spent a lot of time just medding and foraging. I would cheer every vegetable that came up.
Finally the stupid spirit spawned and I got Temperance. Hooray, decent buff that would last for a long long time. I put in a stupidly large amount of time getting this spell, all in the name of power-leveling so I could forage so I could bake so I could get skill-ups and faction... man, the chain-reaction was spreading.
I got back to business. Rudnom hit 19 and the first of his transport spells. Alas the stupid spells were sold all over Norrath - there doesn't seem to be one single place that sells all the druid spells. So Rudnom went through what would turn out to be a ritual of running far and wide getting his new spells.
It didn't take me long to fall in love with the gate spells. It's so terribly convenient to be able to go wherever you want from wherever you happen to be. Also, Lesser Succor meant a quick and easy exit from any dungeon. That was very useful since we were now XP-ing deep in Sol A.
Levels were still flying by and, in an effort to find easy and plentiful red mobs, moved Rudnom to SolB. The kobolds near the entrance proved easy, although the shamans were annoying. The pattern I fell into was the same: Monual would pull with MoR, root the mob, Rudnom would move up and start attacking while Monual stood back and healed, sending in his hammer pet and finishing off the mob with a nuke. It's a semi-delicate balancing act, since Monual couldn't do too much damage or Rudnom wouldn't get XP.
During one pull, Monual cast MoR on a mob, turned to run back to the zone in, and got charmed.
*Monual*. The 65 cleric in Time gear. Got charmed. By a mob in Sol B. To quote Ralph Wiggum, "That unpossible."
Turns out it is very possible, for staring me in the face is the Fabled Kobold Noble. Dangit, I'd thought the Fabled mobs were done with. But no, here he is, making my life miserable. Eventually the charm wore off and I was able to zone out without incident. But now I had to avoid that area while pulling. Gosh darnit.
Still, the mobs were plentiful enough, and while Rudnom wasn't shooting up in levels as fast as he used to, he was still making XP at a pretty good clip. I started using his track more, and noticed lots of Fabled mobs in the zone. Fortunately, only the Fabled Kobold Noble was near the zone-line, and could be avoided.
During one of my power-leveling sessions, a cleric I used to be guilded with back in Avengers of Honour asks if I could help them take down the Fabled Kobold Priest. I shrug and say sure. I zone out Rudnom and accompany the cleric, a 63 bard, and a 65 SK to the Fabled Kobold Priest. The priest turns out to be relatively easy, despite being immune to stuns and having an annoying tendency to heal itself a lot. I do have to use a lot of mana helping the other cleric keep everyone alive, because the guy does hit for about 1K. When the mob finally dies, everyone cheers the bard, for whom this kill was intended. I look at the mob's corpse and the loot makes my jaw drop:
Fabled Mithril Breastplate AC 61 HP 90 Mana 75 Str 5 Wis 10 Int 10 Agi 15 Cold/Magic/Poison Resist 12
Holy cow. Suddenly I'm very interested in this mob; Marrtuk could use that breastplate.
I go back to power-leveling Rudnom, but now Rudnom keeps track open all the time to watch for the Fabled Kobold Priest. The next day, when I log in Rudnom, there it is: the Fabled Kobold Priest. And, luckily, the zone is empty, so I have no qualms about taking this mob. I beg my guildmates for assistance, and a paladin, druid, and bard all come. I camp Rudnom and log on Marrtuk and run him over. The paladin arrives first and, noticing that the Fabled Kobold Noble is also up, pulls it. Alas the pally gets charmed and begins attacking me. Fortunately charmed melee do pathetic damage and I simply keep myself heal until the charm breaks; then we kill the kobold. It drops a Fabled Staff of Writhing that can be used by int casters; we give it to the 36 wizard at the zone line who the paladin accidentally killed while charmed. Nice way to make amends. =)
Everyone arrives and we move in. Again the Priest is easy, and with everyone in Time gear Monual can keep up the healing easy. Marrtuk is actually able to make a contribution, too, with his melee. The mob dies and Marrtuk loots the breastplate. In a way I'm jealous; Marrtuk has a better BP at 55 then Monual had at 65. Still, Marrtuk will never see a Time BP so that will probably his BP for the rest of his life.
That may have been the last-ever Fabled Mithril Breastplate that dropped on Drinal; a few hours later the Fabled mobs stopped spawning. A shame, because I had looked up Fabled drops and had a bit of an interest in the Fabled Ghoulbane for Marrtuk. =) Ah well.
When the kobolds started turning yellow, I moved Rudnom to Lower Guk. On the way, I dropped down a ladder in Upper Guk and spied the guildleader of one of Drinal's Elemental guilds just sitting there halfway down the ladder. I waved at him, and he sent me tell asking me if I could shrink him. He was stuck. I used my tinkered shrinking item but it was no good; he was still stuck. But Rudnom to the rescue! I grouped him with us and cast Lesser Succor. The guildleader was quite thankful.
Getting to Lower Guk turned out to be more difficult than I thought. Rudnom had a *huge* aggro radius, and when I brought him to the safe hall a train of twenty frogs came with us. Fortunately the SH was empty so I just let Rudnom die and used AE nukes by Monual to kill them all off. I rezzed Rudnom and experimented, and found that if he stayed in the center of the SH he wouldn't aggro anything, but if he strayed too close to either end he risked drawing in two or three frogs.
I began my usual routine of pulling a mob with MoR, rooting it, and letting it beat itself to death on Marrtuk. I experimented with casting Damage over Time spells on it with Rudnom, and while it worked it drained his mana very quickly. So I abandoned that and went back to letting Rudnom be a pincushion.
Rudnom got up to 34 and got his new spells. This required more running around than usual, as he had to go to Felwithe, Toxx, Thurgadim, and Steamfront to get everything. There's one useful spell I want to get - Spirit of Shrew - but that requires doing an LDoN. I'm not sure I want to expose Rudnom to that, as he truly is a twink in the worst possible way. I have no idea how to play a druid effectively. For example, I have yet to charm a mob.
My druid noobness was highlighted after I got Rudnom back to LGuk and began again. Rudnom had been casting Bramblecoat on himself, which adds a 3-point self-only Damage Shield. That's all he had been doing. This time I accidentally cast Shield of Brambles, which I simply thought was a group version of Bramblecoat. Nope; this DS does *12* points of damage. And furthermore, it *stacks* with Bramblecoat. All along I had been casting only the wimpy self-only DS on Rudnom and not casting the meatier targetable DS. Combined with MoR, every time a mob hit Rudnom they did 49 points of damage to themselves.
This changed my whole philosophy. Why just pull one mob when a lot more could be beating themselves to death on Rudnom?
Well, I found out why not. It's a lot harder to control the damage done to a bunch of mobs. The mobs would still beat themselves to death but Rudnom would not get the XP. Through lots of trial and error, which involved a couple of deaths for Rudnom and close call for Monual, I found that three mobs were all I could handle. They could beat themselves on Rudnom and I could arrange it so that Rudnom got the XP on all of them.
I went through 34 and 35 this way. Finally I got to 36 and the mobs started turning yellow and blue and only giving 2% XP per kill. Not good enough!
So then I took Rudnom back to SolB and the Lava Duct Crawlers. Alas, these guys are blue to *Monual* and not really good power-leveling mobs. It took too much mana to heal Rudnom. I did find one method: Monual could beat on them until they were at about 5%, then root them and zone. Rudnom would finish them off with nukes and get the XP. Using this method, I got Rudnom half-way through 36.
That's where he is now. I'll have to find some other way of getting his levels up; I may give the Aviaks a try. And I don't know how far I want to level him. At 39 his foraging skill will max. But at 44 he gets the last of his group gate spells. And if I get him to 44, I may as well get him to 45 so he can have KEI cast on him. And if I can get him to 45 where I can KEI and Aego him, why not get him to 49, his next spell level? And if I get him to 49, why not 51 so he can cast componentless Levitation? That would be useful. And if I can get to 51, why not 54 so he can cast Spirit of Eagle? And at 56 he can stop the rain.
Argh.
I'll probably settle for getting him to 39 for now. But I may get him to 45 just so he can have KEI if nothing else.
We'll just have to see how far the chain reaction will take me. =)
 Signature -Richard
Monual Lifegiver Archon of Rodcet Nife Silent Tempest
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Hyenagirl - 23 Apr 2004 19:39 GMT <story involving GoD baking and Mon's new driud twink deleted>
...Wow. :)
I'm curious. I know that wood elves start with the forage skill; what level is it and how much better/more effective is a druid's maxed forage skill? I've played only 1 druid (and a halfling, too -- I feel so dirty) but plenty of Iksar, who have a racial forage of 50 and can still sometimes forage "special" items (IIRC).
As soon as you said "forage" I thought "iksar" rather than "driud". Heh.
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Richard Lawson - 23 Apr 2004 20:00 GMT > I'm curious. I know that wood elves start with the forage skill; > what level is it and how much better/more effective is a druid's > maxed forage skill? Wood Elves also start at 50; druid's maxed forage is 200.
I'm told that at 200, foraging *always* results in success. I'm at 180 now, and I get a success nearly every time already. Still, I'd like that extra little bit. =)
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Drinal server
Remington Stone - 23 Apr 2004 20:23 GMT Richard Lawson said: }Wood Elves also start at 50; druid's maxed forage is 200. }I'm told that at 200, foraging *always* results in success. I'm at 180 now, }and I get a success nearly every time already. Still, I'd like that extra }little bit. =)
You might also consider doing the quest for the Foraging Machete from Katta Castellum... an item with +10% Foraging couldn't hurt, could it? :)
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David Navarro - 23 Apr 2004 20:41 GMT Quoth Richard Lawson:
> However, I don't want > to expend a lot of imagination myself. =) So I start with "MonDRU" > and rearrange the letters to come up with Rudnom. Good enough. Heh. I've seen a Rudnom in Fennin Ro... I wonder if it means something in French, as I'm nearly sure "Merdenom" does, whom I'm also seen running around.
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> I'll probably settle for getting him to 39 for now. But I may get him > to 45 just so he can have KEI if nothing else. > > We'll just have to see how far the chain reaction will take me. =) Watch out... Ports are nice, but it's Ensnare what will spoil other classes for you... :)
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Ben Sisson - 23 Apr 2004 21:41 GMT A thousand monkeys banging on keyboards posted the following under the name David Navarro <david@alcaudon.com>:
>Quoth Richard Lawson: > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >in French, as I'm nearly sure "Merdenom" does, whom I'm also seen >running around. Merdenom would be "shitname".
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David Navarro - 23 Apr 2004 22:37 GMT Quoth Ben Sisson :
> A thousand monkeys banging on keyboards posted the following under the > name David Navarro <david@alcaudon.com>: [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Merdenom would be "shitname". Yeah, that's what I thought. Still, there exists the (very) remote possibility that it's a genuine attempt at a Fantasy name from someone who doesn't speak French.
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Ben Sisson - 24 Apr 2004 00:22 GMT A thousand monkeys banging on keyboards posted the following under the name David Navarro <david@alcaudon.com>:
>Quoth Ben Sisson : >> A thousand monkeys banging on keyboards posted the following under the [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] >possibility that it's a genuine attempt at a Fantasy name from someone >who doesn't speak French. Yeah, and I'm a Chinese jet pilot....
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Paul Botts - 23 Apr 2004 21:57 GMT > That's where he is now. I'll have to find some other way of getting his > levels up; I may give the Aviaks a try. And I don't know how far I want to [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > be useful. And if I can get to 51, why not 54 so he can cast Spirit of > Eagle? And at 56 he can stop the rain. Heh. "If you give a mouse a cookie, he'll want a glass of milk...."
George C. Sievers - 23 Apr 2004 23:25 GMT Whatever anyone else says about this tale, it was a fun read. I enjoyed it greatly. My main is a 62 ranger who was originally created to help my halfling rogue and my halfling cleric wife get their newbie armor. My rogue is still level 12. The ranger was too much fun.
> Well, Everquest has become rather static. With Uqua broken, all we can do > is Ikkiniz raids over and over, taking two days out for Time. Enthusiasm [quoted text clipped - 296 lines] > > We'll just have to see how far the chain reaction will take me. =) Empty - 23 Apr 2004 23:35 GMT > Finally the stupid spirit spawned and I got Temperance. Hooray, > decent buff that would last for a long long time. I put in a stupidly > large amount of time getting this spell, all in the name of > power-leveling so I could forage so I could bake so I could get > skill-ups and faction... man, the chain-reaction was spreading. You probably don't want to hear this, but group temp (which costs 2 dots and a fair chunk of mana) is like 150some LDON points.
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Thomas Houseman - 26 Apr 2004 06:34 GMT > > Finally the stupid spirit spawned and I got Temperance. Hooray, > > decent buff that would last for a long long time. I put in a stupidly [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > ~Empty Those were my thoughts.....
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kaev - 23 Apr 2004 23:36 GMT <snip>
> So, I turn a tuna fish into tuna meat, make some butter, make garlic-butter > sauce, use it to garlic-butter the tuna, farm eggs, make egg batter, and now > combine everything... oops, need vegetables. No problem, where do they sell > those? <snip>
It may be that I'm growing delusional in my old age, but if you happen to feel like investing a moment or two of Rudnom's time when next he stops by the Rivervale Druid guild to shop for spells, I would suggest that you have a word with the vendor at the produce stand by the farm.
kaev
George C. Sievers - 24 Apr 2004 18:00 GMT Unfortunately, if my memory serves me correctly, you cannot buy "vegetables" there. Carrots and what not but not "vegetables".
> <snip> > > So, I turn a tuna fish into tuna meat, make some butter, make garlic-butter [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > kaev kaev - 26 Apr 2004 23:00 GMT > Unfortunately, if my memory serves me correctly, you cannot buy "vegetables" > there. Carrots and what not but not "vegetables". Oh the shame of it! To be corrected by a top-poster in a.g.e. :-p
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Celaeno - 24 Apr 2004 10:16 GMT Did you say something, "Richard Lawson" <nouma@msn.com>?
>That's where he is now. I'll have to find some other way of getting his >levels up; I may give the Aviaks a try. And I don't know how far I want to >level him. At 39 his foraging skill will max. 40, you n00b :)
Vegetables are a rare commodity, as they are used in many other recipes, most notably in making vodka.
(I probably shouldn't tell you about the stacks and stacks of veggies that are stranded on Celaeno and assorted alts, and all the veggies I force fed and outright destroyed to get room in my bags, should I?)
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Jekke, Just Jekke - 24 Apr 2004 17:10 GMT >Did you say something, "Richard Lawson" <nouma@msn.com>? > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >Vegetables are a rare commodity, as they are used in many other >recipes, most notably in making vodka. And Misty Thicket Picnics.
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Richard Lawson - 25 Apr 2004 04:49 GMT > > At 39 his foraging skill will max. > > 40, you n00b :) Right back at you, noob. =) At level 1 you start with a max of 10 skill points in any one skill, and it goes up 5 per level (that's an oversimplification as it depends on class and skill). So at level 2 the max is 15, level 3 = 20, level x = 5x+5.
So you get 200 at level 39.
Celaeno - 25 Apr 2004 11:36 GMT Did you say something, "Richard Lawson" <nouma@msn.com>?
>> > At 39 his foraging skill will max. >> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > >So you get 200 at level 39. *goes to check* Bah, it's been a couple years since I capped the stuff (and it took me till mid 40s) :) Either way, you either start with racial 50 or wait till level 5 with this particular skill.
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Charles Whitney - 26 Apr 2004 06:07 GMT > But I don't regret it, so I decide to make another decision. I'll just have > to create a druid and get his foraging up to 200 and forage the gosh-darned > vegetables myself.
> Then comes the shopping spree. I seriously twinked out Marrtuk when I > created him but I don't want to do this with Rudnom - I just want him to be [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > purchasing decisions, buying level-limited items. But in the end I have a > level 1 druid with over 1K hitpoints unbuffed. You know, reading this, I couldn't help but think of something.
You were apparently willing to spend 40kpp on a forage bot. Did it ever occur to you that at typical bazaar prices, on my server at least, you could have purchased 500 stacks of vegetables with that amount of cash?
I know, the immediate response is that you'll never be able to find 500 stacks of vegetables on sale in the bazaar at any one time. Hey, you might not be able to find more than 5-10 stacks at any one time. But my response to that would be whether you think it'll take less time to forage that much with your druid.
Also, when did they change Mark of Retribution to no longer attribute the damage done by it to the cleric who cast the spell?
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Richard Lawson - 26 Apr 2004 15:43 GMT > You know, reading this, I couldn't help but think > of something. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > have purchased 500 stacks of vegetables with that > amount of cash? Hehe, well, you caught me there. Left unsaid in my original post is that, because of my general boredom, I was motivated to try out a new toon with new spells. It was fun power-leveling and fun learning how to gate and buff and stuff as a druid. I now have a toon with tracking, the ability to port me anywhere I want, can SoW me anytime I want, and is a good foragebot. I've found that, during a typical gaming session, I can forage 2-3 stacks of vegetables.
Yes, I could have bought lots of vegetables - in fact, I saw someone last night selling 360 vegetables at 18pp each. Still, as much as I support the free market, something inside of me balks at paying someone 6500pp for vegetables. I'd rather spend five times as much twinking out a bot to do it myself. =) A fine distinction, I know, and likely an illogical one. But I truly did have fun raising him up to 39.
> Also, when did they change Mark of Retribution to no > longer attribute the damage done by it to the cleric who > cast the spell? As far as I know it's always been like that. I started a beastlord when Luclin came out and a cleric friend of mine came to help power-level me. He cast MoR on the baby mobs attacking me, and as long as I managed to get one hit in I got the XP. That's the earliest I've seen MoR used as a power-leveling tool.
-Richard
Monual Lifegiver Archon of Rodcet Nife Silent Tempest
Marrtuk Knight of Mithaniel Marr
Drinal server
Graeme Faelban - 26 Apr 2004 16:11 GMT >> You know, reading this, I couldn't help but think >> of something. [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > long as I managed to get one hit in I got the XP. That's the earliest > I've seen MoR used as a power-leveling tool. There were some issues with DS damage attribution for a while, but, did not last very long.
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nino@nino.niue - 26 Apr 2004 18:46 GMT >> power-level me. He cast MoR on the baby mobs attacking me, and as >> long as I managed to get one hit in I got the XP. That's the earliest >> I've seen MoR used as a power-leveling tool. > > There were some issues with DS damage attribution for a while, but, did > not last very long. DS damage was still unattributed as of last week or so, dunno about MoR though.
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Rumbledor - 26 Apr 2004 20:06 GMT >>> power-level me. He cast MoR on the baby mobs attacking me, and as >>> long as I managed to get one hit in I got the XP. That's the [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > DS damage was still unattributed as of last week or so, dunno about > MoR though. Odd though, I was PL'ing a buddy to low teens to catch up with the rest of us who just rolled up new alts, and found that if he didn't physically do any damage to a mob aside from the DS damage, he wouldn't get any xp for it. He had to swing at each one in turn until he had hit them all once before concentrating on any in particular.
I never realized it worked that way.
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Jekke, Just Jekke - 26 Apr 2004 18:44 GMT >You were apparently willing to spend 40kpp on a forage bot. Did it ever >occur to you that at typical bazaar prices, on my server at least, you could [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >to that would be whether you think it'll take less time to forage that much >with your druid. I've been buying vegetables on my server. There are rarely more than a handful for sale in the bazaar at any time and they're pushing towards 20 plat each.
I've also been taking time off from my main to PL a forager, in my case, a ranger.
>Also, when did they change Mark of Retribution to no longer attribute the >damage done by it to the cleric who cast the spell? I've used MoR for PLing for about 3 years. The damage from it has never been attributed to the cleric.
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Charles Whitney - 26 Apr 2004 19:48 GMT > >Also, when did they change Mark of Retribution to no longer attribute the > >damage done by it to the cleric who cast the spell? > > I've used MoR for PLing for about 3 years. The damage from it has > never been attributed to the cleric. Now I know that's not true, in the sense that it's never been attributed to the cleric. I got Mark of Retribution almost immediately after I got Luclin, and at that time a guildmate was powerlevelling a character of his that he was going to use as a bot. I came along to help, and the first time I casted MoR on one of the mobs, and did nothing else, I got the kill. We tried it out a couple more times just to see if something screwy was going on, and I got the kills on all of them, even though all I was doing was casting MoR on the mobs he was fighting.
This was a long time ago, and I haven't bothered to try MoR again while powerlevelling (haven't done much PLing with my cleric anyway), and I haven't seen a patch message which stated that it had been changed.
C
Graeme Faelban - 26 Apr 2004 19:57 GMT >> >Also, when did they change Mark of Retribution to no longer >> >attribute the damage done by it to the cleric who cast the spell? [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > and I haven't seen a patch message which stated that it had been > changed. There was an issue around that time that was never elaborated on by SoE, but was mentioned as issues with damage attribution of damage shields. I imagine that is what they were talking about.
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Jekke, Just Jekke - 26 Apr 2004 22:50 GMT >There was an issue around that time that was never elaborated on by SoE, >but was mentioned as issues with damage attribution of damage shields. I >imagine that is what they were talking about. I remember when it happened. It never applied to MoR though, only normal damage shields.
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Chuck - 27 Apr 2004 18:27 GMT >I've been buying vegetables on my server. There are rarely more than a >handful for sale in the bazaar at any time and they're pushing towards >20 plat each. You here that Druids and Rangers, and whatnot. Start foraging and selling in the bazaar. (Maybe the prices will come down some.) =)
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Jekke, Just Jekke - 27 Apr 2004 21:26 GMT >>I've been buying vegetables on my server. There are rarely more than a >>handful for sale in the bazaar at any time and they're pushing towards >>20 plat each. > >You here that Druids and Rangers, and whatnot. Start foraging and >selling in the bazaar. (Maybe the prices will come down some.) =) I'm encouraging it as much as possible by immediately scapping up any vegetables prices 10 plat or less.
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Celaeno - 27 Apr 2004 21:27 GMT Did you say something, send_me_spam@bellsouth.net (Chuck)?
>>I've been buying vegetables on my server. There are rarely more than a >>handful for sale in the bazaar at any time and they're pushing towards >>20 plat each. > >You here that Druids and Rangers, and whatnot. Start foraging and >selling in the bazaar. (Maybe the prices will come down some.) =) I used to have a couple stacks on my trader for 1 pp each, then 5 g each. The damn things sat there for half a year.
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Jekke, Just Jekke - 27 Apr 2004 22:01 GMT >Did you say something, send_me_spam@bellsouth.net (Chuck)? > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >I used to have a couple stacks on my trader for 1 pp each, then 5 g >each. The damn things sat there for half a year. GoD baking has changed that.
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Melduhr - 28 Apr 2004 16:05 GMT >>Did you say something, send_me_spam@bellsouth.net (Chuck)? >> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > >GoD baking has changed that. How ?
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Jekke, Just Jekke - 28 Apr 2004 16:53 GMT >>>I used to have a couple stacks on my trader for 1 pp each, then 5 g >>>each. The damn things sat there for half a year. >> >>GoD baking has changed that. > >How ? The most common uprade path for baking, post-200, has historically been Misty Thicket Picnics, which required 1 Vegetables for 10 combines. Nearly all post-200 GoD baking combines are simpler than MTPs, have a better skill-up rate, and require 1 Vegetables for each combine.
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Shuacat - 28 Apr 2004 14:09 GMT > Did you say something, send_me_spam@bellsouth.net (Chuck)? > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Cel > Retired druids & sundry I recently rolled a ranger, and put forage on his left turn key (which was disconcerting on other characters). I soon had quite a few veggies. I put them up for sale on my trader without rechecking the prices. Before I even turned on my afk flag, all my veggies were bought by joestrader--when I checked he posted them for sale for 15 plat each--I had them posted for 1 plat.
I no longer sell my foraged items, I give them to guildies who are bringing up their baking skill. I have to thank Teapray for that suggestion to me on the serverwide chat channel.
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Annie Benson-Lennaman - 30 Apr 2004 23:03 GMT
> I no longer sell my foraged items, I give them to guildies who are bringing > up their baking skill. I have to thank Teapray for that suggestion to me on > the serverwide chat channel. You're welcome. I personally don't have strong feelings about resellers either way, but I do see why some might get irritated by them. Glad my suggestion made for less aggravation for you and more veggie happiness for your guildees.
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Melduhr - 28 Apr 2004 16:05 GMT >Did you say something, send_me_spam@bellsouth.net (Chuck)? > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >I used to have a couple stacks on my trader for 1 pp each, then 5 g >each. The damn things sat there for half a year. I second that,had 10 stacks of vegetables for 20p each stack on my trader for months,the day I decided to destroy them,a Guildy asked me if I had *some* vegetables for him,my Bazaar mule being my Druid. :)
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Melduhr - 28 Apr 2004 16:00 GMT >Oh, you have to forage them? > >FORAGE THEM?!? > >How am I, a human cleric, supposed to *forage* ingredients? >Gosh darnit all to heck, how am I supposed to get vegetables?
>But I don't regret it, so I decide to make another decision. I'll just have >to create a druid and get his foraging up to 200 and forage the gosh-darned >vegetables myself. Sorry to hear you choose the wrong class. :(
Clearly with your bank account a Ranger would be much more useful for the intent of being a tradeskill-ingredients-collector,give him an enchanted sah of wonder (31 % haste),Iksar BP for the 5 point regen, some kind of 1 hand weapon without recommened level like Jade mace (9/18),Defiance or Lamentation (both 9/19) and he will fly through the levels 1 to 45 without the need for 2boxing. Later he can farm greenies more efficient than a Druid,because of his *MUCH* higher dps,and maybe you find him more entertaining to play than *another* priest class. Made my WOODELF Ranger GM-Smith,although it makes not much sense,because farming for shadowscream in Hollowshade and Twilight is laughable easy with him. For example,I skipped the Plate phase up to 162,cause it was so much easier and cheaper to make humming orbs.
Btw,easiest way to GM baking is with Griffon meat,so much easier now, since there is the new zone Nedarias Landing,nice,cute level 20 Griffons there,while at the same time you can forage plant shoots, which also will lead to 248 baking.
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Jekke, Just Jekke - 28 Apr 2004 16:38 GMT >Btw,easiest way to GM baking is with Griffon meat,so much easier now, >since there is the new zone Nedarias Landing,nice,cute level 20 >Griffons there,while at the same time you can forage plant shoots, >which also will lead to 248 baking. I killed roughly 300 griffins there and never saw the meat drop. Has anybody actually seen griffin meat drop here?
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Melduhr - 28 Apr 2004 17:59 GMT >>Btw,easiest way to GM baking is with Griffon meat,so much easier now, >>since there is the new zone Nedarias Landing,nice,cute level 20 [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >I killed roughly 300 griffins there and never saw the meat drop. Has >anybody actually seen griffin meat drop here? What ? I spend a lot of time there while in lfa mode with my Ranger,because its a zone with a Magus,could make some serious money with Griffon meat and plant shoots from there,before some moron started to sell Griffon meat for 25p on SolRo - could get 70p to 90p for one Griffon meat before.
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Scott - 28 Apr 2004 18:06 GMT > >>Btw,easiest way to GM baking is with Griffon meat,so much easier now, > >>since there is the new zone Nedarias Landing,nice,cute level 20 [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > to sell Griffon meat for 25p on SolRo - could get 70p to 90p for one > Griffon meat before. Why is he a moron just because he wanted to sell HIS Griffon Meat for less than you would have done so? I actually make a point of selling my items in bazaar for less than everyone else and I dont mean 100pp or so diff I mean a lot less. Unless it is something small like spider silk or such but a WMBS sells for about 8-10k on my server, I would sell it for 5-6k. Its those greedy plat seekers that make this game so hard to get upgrades to gear because they all want WAY too much plat for certain items.
> Uland 65 Hunter Jekke, Just Jekke - 28 Apr 2004 18:21 GMT >Why is he a moron just because he wanted to sell HIS Griffon Meat for less >than you would have done so? [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >make this game so hard to get upgrades to gear because they all want WAY too >much plat for certain items. Out of curiosity, how often do you think your 5k WMBS is actually purchased by the person who's actually going to use it and how many times is it bought by a speculator?
As for the "greedy plat seekers," you might want to keep in mind that they are also generally trying to buy upgrades. Getting 8k for a WMBS puts me a lot closer to saving the 75k I need for my ornate bracer.
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Melduhr - 28 Apr 2004 20:18 GMT >> >>Btw,easiest way to GM baking is with Griffon meat,so much easier now, >> >>since there is the new zone Nedarias Landing,nice,cute level 20 [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >Why is he a moron just because he wanted to sell HIS Griffon Meat for less >than you would have done so? Ok,moron is too hard,but when I want to sell stuff in Bazaar,I check the prices of other vendors and see Grifoon meat for 70p and price mine for 25p???
> Its those greedy plat seekers that make this game so hard to get upgrades > to gear because they all want WAY too much plat for certain items. Its called supply and demand,and its up to you if you pay 10k for the WMBS or wait until you find one for 5k.
And in the special case of baking ,I dont think 70 p is too much for a combine which can take you to 248 skill. Have a look at tailoring,flawless hopper hides go for 300p and you need some acrylia too,so people pay nearly 400p for 1 combine.
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Tracey - 28 Apr 2004 20:34 GMT > Ok,moron is too hard,but when I want to sell stuff in Bazaar,I check > the prices of other vendors and see Grifoon meat for 70p and price > mine for 25p??? For me, pricing has everything to do with what my primary purpose was when I got the item. I see lots of people who regularly price foraged items or items made out of foraged items for what is, IMO, too much. But it's too much *for me* because I never go out and forage just to be able to sell something. All of my foraged items that I offer for sale have been gotten incidentally while I was doing something else so pricing it at, say, 100 plat seems silly to me. Anything that I get for it is pure profit and didn't even cost me any time because I wasn't there to get it anyway.
Another example would be Rallic packs for me. I have been farming (and farming and farming and farming even more) acrylia in TM and, when you're in the second cave, the runner (if he's not killed before he gets there) comes right into the cave. I've probably gotten and sold 20 or 30 Rallic packs over the last few months. And I price them MUCH lower than others who offer them because killing him and grabbing his pouch costs me nothing.
Tracey
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