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(ATTN: Annie) Minor FAQ Issue
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Freddie Agricola - 14 Apr 2004 01:31 GMT In the links section, before the server board links, you have a link to eqprices:
reported the price, making them a biased source of information.<br> <a href="http://www.eqprices.com/">http://www.eqprices.com/<br> <br> For where to hunt, at a particular level/class/race:<br> <a href="http://www.eqatlas.com/huntguidelevel.html">http://www.eqatlas.com/huntguideleve l.html</a><br>
However, this needs to be
<a href="http://www.eqprices.com/">http://www.eqprices.com/</a><br>
:) Otherwise, lookin' good! Annie Benson-Lennaman - 14 Apr 2004 01:38 GMT > However, this needs to be > > <a href="http://www.eqprices.com/">http://www.eqprices.com/</a><br> Good eye. In explorer, the link worked anyways. But it is fixed now. Thanks for pointing this out!
Oh, and I added a whole new section of Everquest Tips. I'm sure there there errors aplenty in it. The FAQ is never "looking good!"
Well, we'll see when I post the whole thing the beginning of next month.
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Tyas_MT - 14 Apr 2004 17:21 GMT > > However, this needs to be > > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > Mirrored at: > http://www.derfy.net/agefaq.html Ok, <cracks knuckles> time to pull out my day job...
http://validator.w3.org/ validates your code... now the down side is that writing 'valid' code (as opposed to 'code that works') is a pita for oh, the first year or so. The up side is that it catches little things like the fact that you have more <A href="uri"> tags than </a> tags (complains when you open another) Now since you have not speced a doc type or html level in the document, it will complain, I'd select 'HTML 4.01 Transitional' and 'iso-8859-1 (Western Europe)'
Alternativly, to fix those two minor issues, I'd add the following at the top (replace everything from '</head>' up) ------------------snip--------------------- <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN"> <HTML> <HEAD> <meta name="MSSmartTagsPreventParsing" content="TRUE"> <META HTTP-EQUIV="Author" Content="Insert your name"> <META HTTP-EQUIV="Expires" Content="0"> <META HTTP-EQUIV="Content-Type" CONTENT="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1"> <meta name="description" content="Everquest FAQ"> <meta name="keywords" content="Everquest FAQ"> <title>alt.games.everquest EQ FAQ</title> </head> ------------------snip------------------
One of the major things I see throughout your document is the dreaded ' cannot generate system identifier for general entity "xxxx" ' error... this is a 'to damn picky error' imho, but is easily corrected... you need to replace all the & symbols in your uri's with & if you want to get rid of this... everything will work. Or you can ignore those errors. I fix em cause I like nice shiny 'valid 4.01 transitional' messages
Anyway, if you decide to delve more into the pain and agony of web standards, let me know. If you don't, don't. If you desire to lynch me, I went thataway <point>.
Freddie Agricola - 14 Apr 2004 21:27 GMT >If you don't, don't. If you desire to lynch me, I >went thataway <point>. ERROR: Cannot find </point>.
*runs*
Tyas_MT - 14 Apr 2004 22:47 GMT > >If you don't, don't. If you desire to lynch me, I > >went thataway <point>. > > ERROR: Cannot find </point>. > > *runs* Sorry, <point> isn't an enclosed block element... use of </point> is not needed, just like you don't need a </br>
Freddie Agricola - 15 Apr 2004 00:18 GMT >> >If you don't, don't. If you desire to lynch me, I >> >went thataway <point>. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >Sorry, <point> isn't an enclosed block element... use of </point> is not >needed, just like you don't need a </br> Ok, you need a <point /> then.
*runs*
Annie Benson-Lennaman - 15 Apr 2004 17:44 GMT > Anyway, if you decide to delve more into the pain and agony of web > standards, let me know. If you don't, don't. If you desire to lynch me, I > went thataway <point>. Thanks for the link, Tyas. I did save it, and might actually use it.
I have to admit though, I am more interested in simply turning out a page that works than one that is techincally perfect. I don't get paid for this, and I'm not exactly putting up tons of webpages. I don't like having obvious errors, of course. But really, if it works for the majority of users (and I mean other than just explorer users) then I'm pretty much happy with it.
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42 - 15 Apr 2004 22:04 GMT >>Anyway, if you decide to delve more into the pain and agony of web >>standards, let me know. If you don't, don't. If you desire to lynch me, I [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > users (and I mean other than just explorer users) then I'm pretty much > happy with it. I read a stat somewhere that over 80% of Internet Explorer is 'compatibility code' to try and guess what poorly formed html is supposed to do.
Pretty sad.
Annie Benson-Lennaman - 16 Apr 2004 23:51 GMT > I read a stat somewhere that over 80% of Internet Explorer is > 'compatibility code' to try and guess what poorly formed html is > supposed to do.
> Pretty sad. Well, you get what you pay for, I guess. I've never claimed to be an HTML expert. I said I could put up a more or less servicable page and that is what I have done. I would apologise for making you sad, but I wouldn't really mean it.
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Remington Stone - 17 Apr 2004 00:21 GMT Annie Benson-Lennaman said: }42 wrote: }> I read a stat somewhere that over 80% of Internet Explorer is }> 'compatibility code' to try and guess what poorly formed html is }> supposed to do. }> Pretty sad. } Well, you get what you pay for, I guess. I've never claimed to be an }HTML expert. I said I could put up a more or less servicable page and that }is what I have done. I would apologise for making you sad, but I wouldn't }really mean it.
No, no, I think he means Internet Explorer makes him sad. We're in agreement about that. It's perpetuating the idea that standards are useless, and contributing to Bill Gates's quest to take over the world.
The web page is looking fine, barring a few typos. :)
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Annie Benson-Lennaman - 17 Apr 2004 00:36 GMT > No, no, I think he means Internet Explorer makes him sad. We're in > agreement about that. It's perpetuating the idea that standards are > useless, and contributing to Bill Gates's quest to take over the world. I'll grant that that is also a possible interpretation. Still, one could make the point that it is designed that way because of people like me. I could also just be a bit overly sensitive owing to the fact that while I know I don't have the best of skills, I still worked pretty hard on this and did my best.
> The web page is looking fine, barring a few typos. :) Where where WHERE?
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Remington Stone - 17 Apr 2004 01:53 GMT Annie Benson-Lennaman said: }Remington Stone wrote: }> No, no, I think he means Internet Explorer makes him sad. We're in }> agreement about that. It's perpetuating the idea that standards are }> useless, and contributing to Bill Gates's quest to take over the world. } I'll grant that that is also a possible interpretation. Still, one }could make the point that it is designed that way because of people like }me. I could also just be a bit overly sensitive owing to the fact that }while I know I don't have the best of skills, I still worked pretty hard on }this and did my best.
I think you did a damn good job. :)
}> The web page is looking fine, barring a few typos. :) }Where where WHERE?
Boo, I shoulda known I couldn't get away with just saying that. :)
section 2.9, second sentence, 'an instanced dungeons' doesn't work. same section, last sentence 'the LDoN dungeon drop' should be drops. 2.13a needs a comma after stormhammer in the firs sentence 2.13d FiVi -is- a roleplaying... second sentence parenthetical, 'more than on character' should be 'one'. line 4, extends, not extents 2.14 'from other servers from other servers' 3.10 two occurences of 'VV' ? lower down in 3.10, "Any "line command" has mismatched quotes 3.15 not a typo, but I believe plague rat tails sell for much less than 2pp these days 3.15 'out grow' should be one word. comma after "spot". "merchants will play for them" 3.15b 1) another bizarre 'VV' 3.16 the comma in 'location, which' should go away 3.16 second block, "good for a you to know". There's more than one of me? 3.21 under Roles, "pacify on MOB", how about 'one'? 3.21 under Crowd Control, "Bard's" should be plural, not possessive. 3.21 under Buffer, 'shamans can load a person down', add 'with buffs' maybe? unless we want shamans buffing people with Cripple for some reason? 3.21 under Debuffer, there's a poor lost homeless semicolon 5.1 'expletives', not 'explicatives' 5.2 "if you were to some basic research" 5.5 stray ; before 'Q' 5.5 near the end, "the letter OT" should clearly be plural 7.1 "from the one", or "than the one", not "to the one" 7.3 second sentence is a run-on, make 'The list is endless' separate. 7.3 last sentence, comma after 'game'.
I'll do the other half later. Some of the commas may be a matter of opinion. Your call. :)
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Annie Benson-Lennaman - 17 Apr 2004 05:27 GMT Saving this and will probably fix during the week.
> I think you did a damn good job. :) Awww...
> Boo, I shoulda known I couldn't get away with just saying that. :) But I sure did alot of mess ups, eh?
Not going to comment on most of these, will just fix. But...
> 3.15 not a typo, but I believe plague rat tails sell for much less than > 2pp these days I thought that too. In fact, I'm pretty darned sure I had a lowbies sell one for a fraction of this. But then... they reverted back to the old price. I know, cause I sold some with my baby shaman on Morden Rasp. Course, it might have flipped back by now.
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Remington Stone - 17 Apr 2004 20:23 GMT Annie Benson-Lennaman said: }Remington Stone wrote: }> 3.15 not a typo, but I believe plague rat tails sell for much less than }> 2pp these days } I thought that too. In fact, I'm pretty darned sure I had a lowbies sell }one for a fraction of this. But then... they reverted back to the old }price. I know, cause I sold some with my baby shaman on Morden Rasp. }Course, it might have flipped back by now.
They just do that so we'll have to change the FAQ back and forth, don't they? :)
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Scott - 18 Apr 2004 05:00 GMT > Annie Benson-Lennaman said: > }Remington Stone wrote: [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > [39 Enchanter] Zinphandel Chianti <Alliance of Empires> (Gnome) Firiona How about we just put in, ". . . sell for up to 2pp" ;p
Annie Benson-Lennaman - 30 Apr 2004 20:51 GMT > }> The web page is looking fine, barring a few typos. :) > }Where where WHERE? > > Boo, I shoulda known I couldn't get away with just saying that. :) I bet you thought I was just going to forget about all this, didn't you. Well, no. I just was procrastinating on it. I've made all the corrections I think, though I wouldn't be shocked to learn that I've introduced new ones.
> 3.10 two occurences of 'VV' ?
> 3.15b 1) another bizarre 'VV' These are easy to explain. When I created the webpage, I did so by pasting the wordpad/newsgroup version of the FAQ into my HTML editor, then adding the HTML tags to make it readable. Stylistically, I like having two spaces after each period. This is how I learned to touch type, and this is what looks right to me. But to get two spaces after a period in an HTML document, I have to use the special character for non-breaking space, which is . Rather than typing this is in hundreds of times, I used cntrl-c to cut it, and cntrl-v to paste it where I felt it should be. The places you see a VV? I accidentally hit shift-v twice instead of cntrl-v.
See? Makes perfect sense.
Anyways, I am trying to get the FAQ in good form for its first official "post at the beginning of the month" trotting out. But I am sure there are still plenty of errors. It's just hard to string together something that big with them creeping in! I just hope that most of them get pointed out to me so I can fix them.
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42 - 18 Apr 2004 02:08 GMT >>No, no, I think he means Internet Explorer makes him sad. We're in >>agreement about that. It's perpetuating the idea that standards are >>useless, and contributing to Bill Gates's quest to take over the world. > > I'll grant that that is also a possible interpretation. Both possible and correct. :)
>Still, one > could make the point that it is designed that way because of people like > me. Proper syntax is a strict requirement in any programming language. You can't compile a C++ app with a single "}" missing... this is a good thing. Its easy enough to write bug free software... the last thing we need is a compiler that starts guessing what we intended to do.
Ideally if the page isn't HTML complient the browser should toss up an error message, and render nothing. The web page author will quickly fix the offending bugs if he wants his page viewed and the browers can be small and efficient...
For some reason (mostly marketing/competition related) HTML went the other way... you can write anything, and IE will do its best to figure something out. The problem with this is multiple:
1) that it forces *all browsers* to bloat and perform guesswork on pages. If IE can render some random html junk then "my browser has to also" or IE will be a better browser from the end users perspective because it renders more pages.
2) Worse, my compatibility code has to mimic IEs because if junk html looks good in IE (which is what it was probably tested with) then if it doesn't look good in my browser its because my browser guessed how to interpret the junk html differently. This gave microsoft and advantage, forcing everyone to keep up with them... lately their browser marketshare is eroding... but they are still the dominant player by default and will be for years to come.
3) Millions of malformed HTML pages float around the web and work just fine in the bloated compatibility modes of the various mainstream browsers... but as soon as someone tries to write a browser from scratch, stright from the HTML spec they find it doesn't work adequately...there is simply too much junk html on the web. This a serious problem when the browser can't afford to be bloated and slow (e.g. PalmOS browsers and other embedded systems like cellphones.
> I could also just be a bit overly sensitive owing to the fact that > while I know I don't have the best of skills, I still worked pretty hard on > this and did my best. Nobody is expected to write 100% syntactically correct html. There are web pages you can submit your page to that mechanically check it and point out any errors.
Writing good html is actually very easy. Most violations that would appear in a page that a novice would write are simply typos, improper nesting, and orphan tags... all easily correctible even by that novice, provided that they are told where to look.
You have to get into pretty exotic stuff before fixxing a page for compliance gets 'hard'.
Jekke, Just Jekke - 18 Apr 2004 15:35 GMT > Its easy enough to write bug free software. Res ipso loquator.
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42 - 18 Apr 2004 21:10 GMT >>Its easy enough to write bug free software. > > Res ipso loquator. lol.
Like I said ;)
And for those of you programmers out there... !(Its easy enough to write bug free software.)
the wharf rat - 20 Apr 2004 19:06 GMT >Res ipso loquator. Is that a 96% res?
Jennaii - 18 Apr 2004 16:32 GMT >I could also just be a bit overly sensitive owing to the fact that >while I know I don't have the best of skills, I still worked pretty hard on >this and did my best. I think it looks great and everyone here owes you $5 or 100 plat if they play on your server... I didn't notice the typos but I'm surely no perfectionist :)))
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