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Proudfoot - 13 Mar 2004 01:05 GMT
This game just takes too much time.  Took me forever to get my halfling
warrior up to level 11 -- how can I ever be expected to make 65?  So I
quit.  Whoever wants can take this account.  Has a few months playing
time on it, plus all but the GoD expansion enabled.

User:  wrathbow
Password:  proudfoot

I have a level 11 halfling proudfoot warrior on the Mordan Rasp server.
It's all yours.  From now on for relaxation time I am sticking to
watching 60 minutes -- at least it won't suck up my life.  Then again,
that's what all computer games are about, right?  To each his own.
42 - 13 Mar 2004 01:28 GMT
well I'll be ... those did work... briefly.

of course...but  who wants an 11th level warrior? one that can be
stolen back, and one likely not to have stuff worth stealing on it.

I was just going to change the pw and log out myself. I hope whoever
beat me to it does the same.
Remington Stone - 13 Mar 2004 01:38 GMT
42  said:
}well I'll be ... those did work... briefly.
}of course...but  who wants an 11th level warrior? one that can be
}stolen back, and one likely not to have stuff worth stealing on it.

That mighta been me.  I'm on an IRIX box here at work, so I tried to
change it via the station name.  I guess I'll see if it works when I get
home.

}I was just going to change the pw and log out myself. I hope whoever
}beat me to it does the same.

Pretty much.  Although having a level 1 forager on FV for a bit might help
with some tradeskills. :)

[35 Enchanter] Zinphandel Chianti (Gnome) Firiona Vie
Empty - 14 Mar 2004 09:55 GMT
> I'm on an IRIX box here at work,

You poor, poor man.

I was married to a Challenge L for 3 years.

~Empty

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David Navarro - 14 Mar 2004 12:27 GMT
Quoth Empty :

>> I'm on an IRIX box here at work,
>
> You poor, poor man.
>
> I was married to a Challenge L for 3 years.

/em eyes Blue, in its fancy IndyBag, sitting idly under the bed...

My main work machine used to be a 4-proc RealityEngine2, back in the
days when 1GB of RAM was a hell of a lot, but I've used pretty much
every flavor of Silicon Graphics workstation, from the original Indigo
to the Octane.

I don't know about the server side of things (only logged into our
Challenges rarely, I was never a sysadmin), but the only machines that
can give SGIs a run for their money cool-wise are the new Macs. When I
bought my first Windows PC in '95, it was a definitely underwhelming
experience, and it hasn't got any better. :)

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42 - 14 Mar 2004 13:51 GMT
>Quoth Empty :
>>
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
>bought my first Windows PC in '95, it was a definitely underwhelming
>experience, and it hasn't got any better. :)

Then at least you skipped Windows 3.1 ... :)

The I-can-multi-task-but-why-bother operating system.
Remington Stone - 15 Mar 2004 22:54 GMT
David Navarro  said:
}Quoth Empty :
}> ez064842@veni.ucdavis.edu (Remington Stone) wrote in
}>> I'm on an IRIX box here at work,
}> I was married to a Challenge L for 3 years.
}My main work machine used to be a 4-proc RealityEngine2, back in the
}days when 1GB of RAM was a hell of a lot, but I've used pretty much
}every flavor of Silicon Graphics workstation, from the original Indigo
}to the Octane.

Yep, Octane workstation, connected to a server with 8 processors.  I think
at this point I've used IRIX more than any other *nix.

}I don't know about the server side of things (only logged into our
}Challenges rarely, I was never a sysadmin), but the only machines that
}can give SGIs a run for their money cool-wise are the new Macs. When I
}bought my first Windows PC in '95, it was a definitely underwhelming
}experience, and it hasn't got any better. :)

Heh.  It's taken me quite a while to get used to a computer that doesn't
randomly bluescreen for no apparent reason, and that I don't have to
reboot just to install software. :)

[36 Enchanter] Zinphandel Chianti (Gnome) Firiona Vie
Freddie Agricola - 13 Mar 2004 02:27 GMT
>This game just takes too much time.  Took me forever to get my halfling
>warrior up to level 11 -- how can I ever be expected to make 65?  So I
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>watching 60 minutes -- at least it won't suck up my life.  Then again,
>that's what all computer games are about, right?  To each his own.

Not to be too suspicious...but this is too coincidental.  Within 8
days...two people with similar ips and the same newsreader 'give up' EQ.

*dons tin-foil hat*
Ben Sisson - 13 Mar 2004 02:35 GMT
From the shadows, the mysterious Freddie Agricola
<e1-53g1-zpc3-pcsf@emailias.com> (if that IS his real name)
conspiratorially whispered:

>>This game just takes too much time.  Took me forever to get my halfling
>>warrior up to level 11 -- how can I ever be expected to make 65?  So I
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
>
>*dons tin-foil hat*

No need for the tinfoil hat - you are correct, it is the same person,
or at least posting from the same computer.

Same style post, same key headers, same everything.

Someone gets their jollies out of posting goodbye posts to the
newsgroup, as strange as it sounds.

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Mike Vance - 16 Mar 2004 03:41 GMT
> Not to be too suspicious...but this is too coincidental.  Within 8
> days...two people with similar ips and the same newsreader 'give up' EQ.

No, it is not too coincidental.  It is still me, Mike Vance.  After I
gave away my first account I struggled with my EQ obsession and gave in
and bought it again, then worked up my halfling warrior to level 11,
then I said "no more!" and promptly gave away the second account.  I
have not given up not on EQ, but on giving away accounts, because I went
and bought a new copy again.

Therapists are too expensive so I figure I will just level a character
up to 65 since it is the only way to stop this madness.  I hate the
time-suck that EQ is but I find it too compelling to resist any further.

I changed my posting name because of embarrassment.

And no, I am not giving away anymore accounts.

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Scott - 16 Mar 2004 03:44 GMT
> > Not to be too suspicious...but this is too coincidental.  Within 8
> > days...two people with similar ips and the same newsreader 'give up' EQ.
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
>
> And no, I am not giving away anymore accounts.

Well, I'm convinced.

*Sarcastic Grin*
Annie Benson-Lennaman - 17 Mar 2004 01:24 GMT

> Therapists are too expensive so I figure I will just level a character
> up to 65 since it is the only way to stop this madness.  I hate the
> time-suck that EQ is but I find it too compelling to resist any further.

  I'm not trying to slam you Mike, I really do find this whole thing
interesting.  How many EQ accounts have you bought?  Are you _sure_ that this
compulsion of yours is cheaper than a therapist?

> I changed my posting name because of embarrassment.

  At least you're interesting and consistent.  To my way of thinking, that's
less embarrassing than some of the posting types we get around here.

> And no, I am not giving away anymore accounts.

  Actually, maybe you should give away your account when you quit.  To a
trusted friend if you have one, or failing that to a long standing fairly sane
person from this newsgroup.  Someone that would give the account back to you
when you change your mind again, so you don't keep buying account after
account.  It is a bit risky to do this, of course, but since you don't seem to
have any high level characters or uber gear, it isn't that big of a deal, I
should think.  And no, I'm not trying to fish for you to give me one.

  Of course, your "just give up and give in to the compulsion" track might be
the right one as well, if you do indeed stick with it.

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Mike Vance - 19 Mar 2004 05:01 GMT
> How many EQ accounts have you bought?

About 3 times a year times 5 years = 15, give or take a couple.

Just after I kicked my D&D obession then comes the MMORPG age.  Good
grief.  I think this is coming to an end, though.
Graefaxe - 19 Mar 2004 17:15 GMT
: > How many EQ accounts have you bought?
:
: About 3 times a year times 5 years = 15, give or take a couple.
:
: Just after I kicked my D&D obession then comes the MMORPG age.  Good
: grief.  I think this is coming to an end, though.

I hate to say it, but, that is just sad.  Especially when all you needed to
do was just log in to your old account, without buying new software.
Chris Monster - 17 Mar 2004 02:50 GMT
> > Not to be too suspicious...but this is too coincidental.  Within 8
> > days...two people with similar ips and the same newsreader 'give up' EQ.
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
>
> And no, I am not giving away anymore accounts.

you want to quit? start from scratch and be a tank, and look at all the
twinks.....you'll quit for good before you get to 65, i promise
Dark Tyger - 13 Mar 2004 02:36 GMT
>This game just takes too much time.  Took me forever to get my halfling
>warrior up to level 11 -- how can I ever be expected to make 65?

Boo hoo. They lose fewer customers this way by far than they would if
they made it so you could get 65 in a month (without powerlevelling,
that is). Without PLing, getting to level 11 takes a few hours, tops.
Learn what and where to hunt.

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Shuacat - 13 Mar 2004 09:37 GMT
> >This game just takes too much time.  Took me forever to get my halfling
> >warrior up to level 11 -- how can I ever be expected to make 65?
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> that is). Without PLing, getting to level 11 takes a few hours, tops.
> Learn what and where to hunt.

I was thinking the same thing.  I have a 6 hour old, untwinked, using newbie
armor level 12 Berzerker.
Remington Stone - 13 Mar 2004 11:46 GMT
Proudfoot  said:
}This game just takes too much time.  Took me forever to get my halfling
}warrior up to level 11 -- how can I ever be expected to make 65?  So I
}quit.  Whoever wants can take this account.  Has a few months playing
}time on it, plus all but the GoD expansion enabled.
}User:  wrathbow
}Password:  proudfoot

Well sho'nuff, I have a new account for the moment.  If you change your
mind and want to come back, wrathbow, just drop me an email and I'll send
you the new password. :)

[35 Enchanter] Zinphandel Chianti (Gnome) Firiona Vie
Palindrome - 13 Mar 2004 12:28 GMT
>Proudfoot  said:
>}This game just takes too much time.  Took me forever to get my halfling
>}warrior up to level 11 -- how can I ever be expected to make 65?

Surely not?!?!  Level 11 should take no more than about 6 hours playing time!

Palindrome
peter walker - 13 Mar 2004 14:28 GMT
What it may be, is that he hacked someone elses account and is passing it
off because he got bored. If it were me, I wouldn't get caught on someone
elses account no matter what.

Just my .02 cents.

Peter
Horus - 15 Mar 2004 15:16 GMT
> What it may be, is that he hacked someone elses account and is passing it
> off because he got bored. If it were me, I wouldn't get caught on someone
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> Peter

Or.... waits awhile for the poor shmuck to twink up some alts on the
account and pull the strings and get the account back. Smells stinky
of SCAM here.
bizbee - 15 Mar 2004 16:06 GMT
On 15 Mar 2004 06:16:29 -0800 in
<48a72f2a.0403150616.1bebfc05@posting.google.com>,
Stormguide@hotmail.com (Horus) graced the world with this thought:

>> What it may be, is that he hacked someone elses account and is passing it
>> off because he got bored. If it were me, I wouldn't get caught on someone
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>account and pull the strings and get the account back. Smells stinky
>of SCAM here.

just as curious.... the point that this was posted by the same guy who
made the other post (that header is just a leeeetle too similar....
like duplicate?), and no further comments from either him or the op of
this thread....
I sure wouldn't leave anything of value on any of the characters.
Empty - 15 Mar 2004 20:17 GMT
> I sure wouldn't leave anything of value on any of the characters.

It me be a good time to try to find some nice current plat duping schemes
though. Be sure to announce them in the Bazaar too.

~Empty

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children, it's blood... blood screaming inside you to work its will. I may
be love's bitch, but at least I'm man enough to admit it.'
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Remington Stone - 15 Mar 2004 22:51 GMT
bizbee  said:
}Stormguide@hotmail.com (Horus) graced the world with this thought:
}>"peter walker" <nospam@cox.net> wrote in message news:<bUE4c.3009$%g.295@okepread02>...
}>> What it may be, is that he hacked someone elses account and is passing it
}>> off because he got bored. If it were me, I wouldn't get caught on someone
}>> elses account no matter what.

*Shrug* if it -is- a hacked account, I would feel badly about that, but I
don't have any way to track down the true owner.  The true owner can
always snag it back, though, by going here:

http://eqlive.station.sony.com/support/accounts_billing/ab_recovery.jsp

}>Or.... waits awhile for the poor shmuck to twink up some alts on the
}>account and pull the strings and get the account back. Smells stinky
}>of SCAM here.

Well, if that's the case, he'd be the proud new owner of a female level 4
woodelf bard on FV server, twinked out with an ornate electrum chain
tunic, cloth pants, and a rusty scimitar!  Ooh, the uberitude!

}just as curious.... the point that this was posted by the same guy who
}made the other post (that header is just a leeeetle too similar....
}like duplicate?), and no further comments from either him or the op of
}this thread....
}I sure wouldn't leave anything of value on any of the characters.

Yea, if he's really only made it to level 11 on his own, he can sell that
shirt to a merchant for 25pp, a veritable fortune!  Lot of effort to go to
to make that much.

I have 5 accounts now, and have let three go inactive.  It will be no
problem to keep this one as disposable...  All I really wanted it for was
to have a forager and corpsefinder on FV.  I'll keep y'all posted if
anything dire happens to it.  

Of course, now that I have a completely disposable account that isn't tied
to me by credit card number or address or anything, well, except this
post, it's quite tempting to experiment with all these macro programs and
showeq I keep hearing about, so I may manage to get it banned all by my
little own self. :)

I'd probably just macro it to forage while I'm at work, though.  I want
some veggies!

[36 Enchanter] Zinphandel Chianti (Gnome) Firiona Vie
bizbee - 16 Mar 2004 00:33 GMT
On Mon, 15 Mar 2004 21:51:20 +0000 (UTC) in
<c358go$jc5$1@woodrow.ucdavis.edu>, ez064842@veni.ucdavis.edu
(Remington Stone) graced the world with this thought:

>Well, if that's the case, he'd be the proud new owner of a female level 4
>woodelf bard on FV server, twinked out with an ornate electrum chain
>tunic, cloth pants, and a rusty scimitar!  Ooh, the uberitude!

that would be pretty funny... let it go for six months, then steal it
back... only to find this...
shot in the a.s!
Gohrus - 17 Mar 2004 03:48 GMT
ez064842@veni.ucdavis.edu (Remington Stone) wrote in message
> Of course, now that I have a completely disposable account that isn't tied
> to me by credit card number or address or anything, well, except this
> post, it's quite tempting to experiment with all these macro programs and
> showeq I keep hearing about, so I may manage to get it banned all by my
> little own self. :)

Except for that you logged into it from your computer at home, or your
computer at work or wherever... with the same IP as your normal
account, or at a location that can be correlated to you. The
connection between you and the "anonymous" account is already in their
database.

Now, from what I hear, you have to REALLY screw up for them to ban
related accounts, but just to let you know, if they wanted to they
already know.

(By the way I work at an ISP and we track people down like this from
time to time when we get a court order. If we have the IP in our
network and an exact time, we can always tell you where the connection
came from. And I bet you SOE is storing the IPs that people log in
from.)

-Gohrus
Remington Stone - 25 Mar 2004 04:53 GMT
Gohrus said:
}ez064842@veni.ucdavis.edu (Remington Stone) wrote in message
}> Of course, now that I have a completely disposable account that isn't tied
}> to me by credit card number or address or anything, well, except this
}> post, it's quite tempting to experiment with all these macro programs and
}> showeq I keep hearing about, so I may manage to get it banned all by my
}> little own self. :)
}Except for that you logged into it from your computer at home, or your
}computer at work or wherever... with the same IP as your normal
}account, or at a location that can be correlated to you. The
}connection between you and the "anonymous" account is already in their
}database.
}Now, from what I hear, you have to REALLY screw up for them to ban
}related accounts, but just to let you know, if they wanted to they
}already know.
}(By the way I work at an ISP and we track people down like this from
}time to time when we get a court order. If we have the IP in our
}network and an exact time, we can always tell you where the connection
}came from. And I bet you SOE is storing the IPs that people log in
}from.)

Yeah, I bet they do, too, which is part of why I'll probably never
actually get around to playing with macro programs much.  It's a lesser
consideration, though, compared with "Is Xylobot really worth $20 to me?"
and "Am I really going to want to invest the time it looks like it'd take
to get this set up and working?"  Especially since I'd want to set up a
second computer to run all that stuff on, and that'd be messy... Probably
require buying a new video card at the least.  And then I have to actually
write or adapt the auto-foraging script...  I think I'd rather spend
the time actually playing EQ, all in all. :)

I wouldn't worry overmuch about the IP thing, though.  My ISP gives me a
new dynamically assigned IP address every time I reboot the computer.  So
in order to ban associated accounts on that basis, they'd probably have to
take out everyone using that block of IPs, which, with sbc yahoo being a
major provider, could be quite a few.  And just to be thorough, sbc yahoo
provides free dialup modem access to DSL users, so main account stays on
DSL, cleverly macroed account goes to the dialup pool.  Presto!  We're in
different places, and my GF bitches at me because her friends say the
phone's busy all the time. :)

For the moment, Mike Vance's old account is therefore relegated primarily
to the role of being an insta-newbie to form a raid with so I don't get
hosed by the Trivial Loot Code.  But I did manage to forage up a morning
dew! :)

[37 Enchanter] Zinphandel Chianti (Gnome) Firiona Vie
Chris Monster - 26 Mar 2004 06:03 GMT
> For the moment, Mike Vance's old account is therefore relegated primarily
> to the role of being an insta-newbie to form a raid with so I don't get
> hosed by the Trivial Loot Code.  But I did manage to forage up a morning
> dew! :)
>
> [37 Enchanter] Zinphandel Chianti (Gnome) Firiona Vie

you can also shout things into the zone that would be OOC but don't
necessarily have to be

zinphandel shouts, 'if you say so!'
mikevance'stoon shouts, 'and yer mother's bed smells like halfling!'

c'mon it's win win

fennin.faza
Gohrus - 27 Mar 2004 02:38 GMT
> I wouldn't worry overmuch about the IP thing, though.  My ISP gives me a
> new dynamically assigned IP address every time I reboot the computer.  So
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> different places, and my GF bitches at me because her friends say the
> phone's busy all the time. :)

Actually that's exactly what I was trying to point out. You bet you
SBC/Yahoo keep logs of what IP is assigned to what customer when. If
you have an exact time and an IP, they will be able to tell exactly
who was using it.

Of course, SOE won't easily have access to that data, so in a sense
that makes you somewhat safer (if you remember to release/renew your
IP every time you switch between the accounts).

But I still firmly believe they can ID you. I don't know this, but if
I was the programmer writing the login code for SOE, part of what I'd
silently transmit to login would be an ID that uniquely identifies
your computer (processor ID, mac address, windows product id, class id
of your control panel, EQ cd key codes... anything that's very
unlikley to change). But who knows. I still doubt they'd actually
follow this trail unless you do something monumentally bad, at which
point they'd just supoena your identify from SBC/Yahoo anyway.

-Gohrus
Remington Stone - 27 Mar 2004 04:00 GMT
Gohrus said:
}Actually that's exactly what I was trying to point out. You bet you
}SBC/Yahoo keep logs of what IP is assigned to what customer when. If
}you have an exact time and an IP, they will be able to tell exactly
}who was using it.
}Of course, SOE won't easily have access to that data, so in a sense
}that makes you somewhat safer (if you remember to release/renew your
}IP every time you switch between the accounts).

Yeah, well, honestly, I haven't remembered to switch regularly so -that-
account at least, is tainted.  Oh dear!  But still, yes, if they'd have to
subpoena my ISP for the data, I'd feel pretty safe. :)

}But I still firmly believe they can ID you. I don't know this, but if
}I was the programmer writing the login code for SOE, part of what I'd
}silently transmit to login would be an ID that uniquely identifies
}your computer (processor ID, mac address, windows product id, class id
}of your control panel, EQ cd key codes... anything that's very
}unlikley to change). But who knows.

Yea, and therein would be the importance of having the
account-to-do-bad-things-with routinely log on from an entirely separate
computer.  With a different windows version installed and EQ installed
from a different set of discs, since I have like 3 of each at this point
anyway. :)

I don't use PIII's, so there isn't a processor ID in any case.  I'm pretty
sure they're the only ones you gotta worry about that with, unless the
issue just went underground.  But tell me if you know different. :)

}I still doubt they'd actually
}follow this trail unless you do something monumentally bad, at which
}point they'd just supoena your identify from SBC/Yahoo anyway.

Aye, but just because I'm paranoid doesn't mean they aren't out to get me!
:)

[37 Enchanter] Zinphandel Chianti (Gnome) Firiona Vie
John Lynch, Jr. - 30 Mar 2004 23:56 GMT
> Gohrus said:
> }Actually that's exactly what I was trying to point out. You bet you
[quoted text clipped - 34 lines]
>
> [37 Enchanter] Zinphandel Chianti (Gnome) Firiona Vie

Proc ID's apply to p4's as well ,as mine was set to "off" in the BIOS by
default.
Remington Stone - 30 Mar 2004 23:59 GMT
John Lynch, Jr. said:
}"Remington Stone" <ez064842@vidi.ucdavis.edu> wrote in message
}> Gohrus said:
}> }But I still firmly believe they can ID you. I don't know this, but if
}> }I was the programmer writing the login code for SOE, part of what I'd
}> }silently transmit to login would be an ID that uniquely identifies
}> }your computer (processor ID, mac address, windows product id, class id
}> }of your control panel, EQ cd key codes... anything that's very
}> }unlikley to change). But who knows.
}> I don't use PIII's, so there isn't a processor ID in any case.  I'm pretty
}> sure they're the only ones you gotta worry about that with, unless the
}> issue just went underground.  But tell me if you know different. :)
}Proc ID's apply to p4's as well ,as mine was set to "off" in the BIOS by
}default.

Ah, right, but you can turn them off.  Good enough.  How about AMD though?

[37 Enchanter] Zinphandel Chianti (Gnome) Firiona Vie
John Lynch, Jr. - 31 Mar 2004 00:39 GMT
> John Lynch, Jr. said:
> }"Remington Stone" <ez064842@vidi.ucdavis.edu> wrote in message
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
>
> [37 Enchanter] Zinphandel Chianti (Gnome) Firiona Vie

I may be wrong, but I belive AMD has never made a proc with an identifier.
 
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