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Game Forum / Role Playing Games / EverQuest / January 2004Cleric and melee
Got grouped with a pally last nite and they said "your a cleric you can melee better than a pally" surely he is wrong as I thought clerics were for dishing out spells. Reason I ask is I am not sure about this character and was thinking of dumping it and going for a pally or druid - but now unsure and thinking of sticking with cleric? "SESrin" <sesnw@btconnect.com> wrote in news:bv3fth$64t$1 @titan.btinternet.com: > Got grouped with a pally last nite and they said "your a cleric you > can melee better than a pally" surely he is wrong as I thought clerics [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > dumping it and going for a pally or druid - but now unsure and > thinking of sticking with cleric? In the 50s somewhere, with the summoned hammer, clerics can put out some pretty decent DPS. Not from the actual melee damage, from the procs on the hammer. Not sure how exactly it stacks up against paladin DPS at the same level.  SignatureOn Erollisi Marr in <Sanctuary of Marr> Elder Graeme Faelban, Barbarian Prophet of 65 seasons Tainniel Fleabane, Halfling Warrior of 32 seasons Giluven, Wood Elf Druid of 26 seasons Graeniel, High Elf Enchanter of 25 seasons > "SESrin" <sesnw@btconnect.com> wrote in news:bv3fth$64t$1 > @titan.btinternet.com: [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > In the 50s somewhere, Well below level 10?? I just started this one so surely I couldnt out perform a pally ps he is also suited I wasn't Made me wonder if it was you get hurt I get half the experience thanks - sorry that would be cynical of me - although I did notice the part of lets get exp and no mention of skill in a tell, I suppose with more skill I could out perform a pally, who knows > > "SESrin" <sesnw@btconnect.com> wrote in news:bv3fth$64t$1 > > @titan.btinternet.com: [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > Well below level 10?? I just started this one so surely I couldnt out > perform a pally ps he is also suited I wasn't Till level 10 or so there is almost no difference between classes their melee dps. Gear does make a difference ofcourse. But if you don't want to keep a group alive and forget about dps you should switch to a more dps or tank focussed class :). > Made me wonder if it was you get hurt I get half the experience > thanks - sorry that would be cynical of me - although I did notice the > part of lets get exp and no mention of skill in a tell, I suppose with > more skill I could out perform a pally, who knows you get hurt I get half the exp? erm sorry don't understand that one :( At lower levels there is almost no skill required. Heck even at 65 in places like PoV and BoT skill is also just a secondairy next to gear. And nobody will ask you for it. > Till level 10 or so there is almost no difference between classes > their melee dps. Gear does make a difference ofcourse. Monks get dual-wield at level 1, which means 2x the twinkage. > At lower levels there is almost no skill required. Heck even at 65 in > places like PoV and BoT skill is also just a secondairy next to gear. > And nobody will ask you for it. There's no skill in playing a cleric then? That's funny. I know I have reversed wipes through skillful healing and using the right spell at the right time, even in grind zones like PoV (I haven't seen BoThunder yet) ~Empty Signature'You're not friends. You'll never be friends. You'll be in love till it kills you both. You'll fight, and you'll shag, and you'll hate each other till it makes you quiver, but you'll never be friends. Love isn't brains, children, it's blood... blood screaming inside you to work its will. I may be love's bitch, but at least I'm man enough to admit it.' Spike >In the 50s somewhere, with the summoned hammer, clerics can put out some >pretty decent DPS. Not from the actual melee damage, from the procs on the >hammer. Not sure how exactly it stacks up against paladin DPS at the same >level. It should be fairly poor compared to a decently equipped pally of similar level for at least one reason. Pallys have double attack so they will be hitting much more often than the cleric. Since pallys got their weapon skill raised a while back they shouldn't be missing as much as they did back in the Kunark days. In the 50's a paladin is also probably more likely to have a haste item than a cleric. SignatureArtificial Intelligence stands no chance against Natural Stupidity. GAT d- -p+(--) c++++ l++ u++ t- m--- W--- !v b+++ e* s-/+ n-(?) h++ f+g+ w+++ y* > In <Xns947C63AD3C049richardrapiernetscap@130.133.1.4> Graeme Faelban > <RichardRapier@netscape.net> writes: [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > much as they did back in the Kunark days. In the 50's a paladin is > also probably more likely to have a haste item than a cleric. The cleric gets his damage output from the amazing proc rate of the hammer, not from actually doing melee damage. SignatureOn Erollisi Marr in <Sanctuary of Marr> Elder Graeme Faelban, Barbarian Prophet of 65 seasons Tainniel Fleabane, Halfling Warrior of 32 seasons Giluven, Wood Elf Druid of 26 seasons Graeniel, High Elf Enchanter of 25 seasons >>In <Xns947C63AD3C049richardrapiernetscap@130.133.1.4> Graeme Faelban >><RichardRapier@netscape.net> writes: [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > The cleric gets his damage output from the amazing proc rate of the > hammer, not from actually doing melee damage. It is worth adding that double attack and haste have no effect on proc rate. I'm pretty sure that even an untwinked Paladin will outdamage an equal level Cleric in melee regardless, certainly a well-geared Paladin will. And eventually the summoned hammers run out of gas as the Cleric encounters mobs that resist significant amounts of the proc damage. They do give Clerics a way to add useful damage when healing isn't too demanding. kaev >Got grouped with a pally last nite and they said "your a cleric you >can melee better than a pally" surely he is wrong as I thought clerics >were for dishing out spells. Paladin honestly didn't know what he was talking about. However, as you mentioned in a later post, you're below level 10. If you're not having mana troubles, you may as well get up and melee at that level. (Me, I never group until at the very least my late teens...) >Reason I ask is I am not sure about this character and was thinking of >dumping it and going for a pally or druid - but now unsure and >thinking of sticking with cleric? If you want to be able to easily find groups, don't go with the druid. It's not that they're no good in groups, it's that most people don't seem to know that they are useful. Pallies make good tanks, and are always welcome in a group as far as I've seen. Clerics are very well-recieved, too. Especially if you really know your class and play it well, but that can be said for any class. SignatureDark Tyger, keeper of the Nerf Railgun(tm) All hail the Thief.... > Got grouped with a pally last nite and they said "your a cleric you > can melee better than a pally" surely he is wrong as I thought clerics [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > dumping it and going for a pally or druid - but now unsure and > thinking of sticking with cleric? I have a 25th Pally and have noticed that, while I do more damage per hit (I am a 2h sl fanatic) and against undead, my ward spell does about 75% of my FULL damage to undead, a cleric is close in damage to me and has higher level spells to do damage with. This is against undead. Had a race one time with a cleric of the same lvl. When he started an undead, I started an equivelent one. Both hitting and warding, and he finished WAY ahead of me. But in a non-undead battle I seem to be MUCH faster than clerics. > > Got grouped with a pally last nite and they said "your a cleric you > > can melee better than a pally" surely he is wrong as I thought clerics [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > an equivelent one. Both hitting and warding, and he finished WAY ahead > of me. But in a non-undead battle I seem to be MUCH faster than clerics. I think I'm right in saying that the skill cap for palladin is (LVL x 5)+ 5 , whereas it's (LVL x 4)+ 4 for clerics? Can someone confirm this? Also cap pre 50 is 175 for clerics and 200 for palladins ... post 50 only palladins can increase further, to 225 (ouch! thought they capped at the same level as warriors, 250, until I checked that). |
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