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A good dictator vs. a lousy politican

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Xomicron - 16 Jul 2004 22:07 GMT
A good dictator is much better than a lousy politican.  Without good dictator
Bismarck, there wouldn't be today's Germany.  Without good dictator, Queen
Elizabeth I (note that not current lousy Queen Elizabeth II), there wouldn't
be today's United Kingdom.  Without good dictator LKY, there wouldn't be
today's Singapore.  Without good dictator DXP, there wouldn't be today's PRC.  
Without the killing of Indians and enslavement of Africans, there wouldn't be
today's USA.  Sorry folks but this is the truth. Is that clear?
ZnU - 16 Jul 2004 23:15 GMT
> A good dictator is much better than a lousy politican.  Without good dictator
> Bismarck, there wouldn't be today's Germany.  Without good dictator, Queen
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> Without the killing of Indians and enslavement of Africans, there wouldn't be
> today's USA.  Sorry folks but this is the truth. Is that clear?

Please don't feed the troll.

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Byers ex machina - 16 Jul 2004 23:18 GMT
>A good dictator is much better than a lousy politican.  Without good dictator
>Bismarck, there wouldn't be today's Germany.  Without good dictator, Queen
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>Without the killing of Indians and enslavement of Africans, there wouldn't be
>today's USA.  Sorry folks but this is the truth. Is that clear?

Is there a point to this worthless rambling, other than to crosspost
to as many different newsgroups as possible? Didn't think so...

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Moen - 17 Jul 2004 15:50 GMT
On Sat, 17 Jul 2004 00:18:10 +0200, Byers ex machina
<byersIWILLNOTTOLERATESPAM@ANYWAYYOUMUSTREMOVETHESECAPSINORDERTOREPLYteotihuacan.HAVEANICEDAYETCETERAws>
wrote:

> Is there a point to this worthless rambling, other than to crosspost
> to as many different newsgroups as possible?

He forgot alt.games.the-sims :(
EvilBill - 17 Jul 2004 18:15 GMT
What! Why is Moen <h-news@operamail.dot.com.invalid> here?? All these
interruptions are enough to make one insane!!
> On Sat, 17 Jul 2004 00:18:10 +0200, Byers ex machina

<byersIWILLNOTTOLERATESPAM@ANYWAYYOUMUSTREMOVETHESECAPSINORDERTOREPLYteo
tihuacan.HAVEANICEDAYETCETERAws>
> wrote:
>
>> Is there a point to this worthless rambling, other than to crosspost
>> to as many different newsgroups as possible?
>
> He forgot alt.games.the-sims :(

And alt.fan.karl-malden.nose <g>

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Donna - 17 Jul 2004 19:22 GMT
Dear Evil Bill, Fishy Stink Ho, Snit, and any others who are so
magnificently living up to their names - A good dictator and a lousy
politician are not mutually exclusive. It is actually possible for a lousy
politician to be a good dictator (see: USA 2000-2004). Perhaps you should
substitute alt.native in your crosspostings with alt.nonsense and see what
happens. Apparently you have already taken your arguments to
alt.spacebastards - and nothing good has come from it. To me, this is
nothing short of miraculous and I can only conclude that you have not given
that group a fair opportunity to get a word in edgewise. In fact, you should
remove all crosspostings aside from alt.spacebastards and give those
bastards a true chance to participate in your intellectual debate without
being sidetracked by the wave of heat that will invariably overtake you from
all the other ng's if you continue crossposting.

It's the right thing to do.

Donna

> What! Why is Moen <h-news@operamail.dot.com.invalid> here?? All these
> interruptions are enough to make one insane!!
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>
> And alt.fan.karl-malden.nose <g>
EvilBill - 18 Jul 2004 01:31 GMT
What! Why is Donna <donna.ms@comcast.net> here?? All these interruptions
are enough to make one insane!!
> Dear Evil Bill, Fishy Stink Ho, Snit, and any others who are so
> magnificently living up to their names - A good dictator and a lousy
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>
> It's the right thing to do.

Hey, I didn't add any crossposts, I just didn't snip the existing ones!
;)

Followups set to alt.games.doom as that's where I'm posting from.

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Phorse 5 - 18 Jul 2004 21:13 GMT
> Dear Evil Bill, Fishy Stink Ho, Snit, and any others who are so
> magnificently living up to their names - A good dictator and a lousy
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
>
> Donna

Do I sense an AGTS'er? Nice set of words, if overdone here n there...

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Frosty - 17 Jul 2004 23:37 GMT
> >A good dictator is much better than a lousy politican.  Without good dictator
> >Bismarck, there wouldn't be today's Germany.  Without good dictator, Queen
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> Is there a point to this worthless rambling, other than to crosspost
> to as many different newsgroups as possible? Didn't think so...

You may or may not know that I have started a project to build a sort
physical health community center here in Kahnawake.

Others and I hope to raise enough money that we will not need the aid
of the government of Canada, but we need the aid of the people of
Canada and United States.

So our objective is large, we need in the area of $5 million for a
indoor pool, indoor walking track, weight room for elders, a rink to
fund the operation after it is built and reading rooms, and places to
have meetings.

We are asking everyone we know to help us by sending us $1 (one
dollar).  I am also asking everyone I know to do the same.  But also
to send this message to everyone they know.  I also am asking them to
let the employers they work for to also help us out. I wish all the
Native Casino's would lend a hand.

This is a donation not for only a few but will help over 6000 people.

We are also about to launch a raffle that the tickets will cost $120
but it will be good for 12 months and each month will give the winner
$20,000.

This has all been approved by our Gaming Commission.

Below is bit of history as to why we need this center.

Nia:wen kowa

=====================================

This is a request for a donation from a community that after almost 50
years has suffered from the expropriation of its access to the St
Lawrence River. Your donation would be used in the construction of an
indoor swimming pool and health center for a good healthy body. Things
like weight room for elders, and a walking track, daycare, reading
center,meeting rooms, and anything that would be an essential part of
the layout.

I am asking that you donate ONE DOLLAR and send it to, INDOOR POOL
PROJECT, care of Ronald Deere, BOX 821, Kahnawake Quebec Canada
JOL1B0.  Of if you like a second choice would be To the Sports Complex
INDOOR POOL PROJECT, BOX 720 Kahnawake Quebec JOL1BO.


Please send this message to those you believe would be interested in
helping us build this project and become part of its future.

I believe a brief bit of history is important for you to understand
the reason we are asking or I am asking for donations to build an
indoor swimming pool.

The St Lawrence River played a major year round role in healthy
activities of our people. That no longer exists. In the past years I
heard the question "why are we having all these health problems?" I
heard things like, "It was the drinking water, the air, the food we
eat" but I think losing access to river was the cause. Kahnawake has a
very high rate of people with Diabetes, Heart trouble and Arthritis.
The idea of an indoor pool would benefit many and would play a major
role in a healthy life style. At my age at the time I had no idea how
those changes would affect the lives of the people in 2004. Like so
like many children all we could do was look on with amazement at the
big trucks, steam shovels and the trench as it increased each day. We
got to see homes lifted and placed on wheels and vanish into the
distance and some of those homes were ours. Then we watched as it
filled up with water. It never occurred to anyone my age at the time
that we had lost access to the river. Without  going into great detail
I will leave out, names, court cases, but anyone that would like
additional information, they can contact us. Back in 1955 the
government of Canada used it's power and section 35 of the Indian Act
to begin the process to build the St Lawrence Seaway through this and
other reservations. The effects on treaty rights, the people and the
landscape were of little importance to them. They moved to expropriate
1270 acres of land and river front land without any consideration of
the Mohawk people. They also changed section 18 of the Seaway Act. The
band council tried to fight against the expropriation, but courts did
not protect the rights of the Mohawk people. Gone were the beaches,
fishing holes, active farms, water supply, and a part of the people's
lives that even affects us today. So September 16, 1955 was the end of
what life was, as we knew it. So people were forced to sign and gave
up their rights to their lands. An agreement was signed on
compensation with the Band and the landowners. In the end those that
refused to move, the
government passed a law to forcible take the land. It went so far as
getting warrants to remove them off their land. Police then moved in
and removed the last few remaining protesters standing up for there
treaty rights. In that agreement it stated that compensation would be
given for lands taken and damaged. Now over the last 50 years we heard
that in the agreement it contained an indoor pool to be built as
compensation. Till this day no one has been able to produce a document
about an indoor pool. In fact many say that two pools were part of the
signing, one outdoor and one indoor. The outdoor was built but in it's
present condition had to be closed last year. Since then a settlement
has been made with the St Lawrence Seaway and if any such agreement to
build a indoor pool were
found, it would amount to be nothing but a piece of paper.  So how do
we go about finding the funds? One we work together and come up with
ideas that can generate those funds. Always keeping in mine this is
not personal venture but about the need for over 10,000 people and to
offer this to around 50,000 others.

Another is asking you for help in the form of a donation. I tried a
number of ideas and still working on them, but now it comes to asking
the people of the world.

Ronald Deere
Kahnawake Indoor Pool Project

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Too often we underestimate the power of a touch, a smile, a kind word,
a listening ear, an honest compliment, or the smallest act of caring,
all of which have the potential to turn a life around. People come
into our lives for a reason, a season, or a lifetime.  Embrace all
equally!
Phorse 5 - 18 Jul 2004 21:15 GMT
> > >A good dictator is much better than a lousy politican.  Without good dictator
> > >Bismarck, there wouldn't be today's Germany.  Without good dictator, Queen
[quoted text clipped - 122 lines]
> into our lives for a reason, a season, or a lifetime.  Embrace all
> equally!

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fishy_stink_ho - 17 Jul 2004 00:21 GMT
> A good dictator is much better than a lousy politican.  Without good dictator
> Bismarck, there wouldn't be today's Germany.  Without good dictator, Queen
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> Without the killing of Indians and enslavement of Africans, there wouldn't be
> today's USA.  Sorry folks but this is the truth. Is that clear?

If my uncle had tits, he'd be my aunt.  Nobody gives a f.ck about that
either.
Snit - 17 Jul 2004 00:56 GMT
"fishy_stink_ho" <mckracker@hotmail.com> wrote in
kNSdnQH51dtl_2XdRVn-hA@comcast.com on 7/16/04 4:21 PM:

>> A good dictator is much better than a lousy politican.  Without good dictator
>> Bismarck, there wouldn't be today's Germany.  Without good dictator, Queen
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> If my uncle had tits, he'd be my aunt.  Nobody gives a f.ck about that
> either.

Can you prove he did not?

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Xomicron - 17 Jul 2004 22:07 GMT
>> A good dictator is much better than a lousy politican.  Without good
>> dictator Bismarck, there wouldn't be today's Germany.  Without good
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
> If my uncle had tits, he'd be my aunt.

No, he'd just be your fat a.s uncle.
Luc Teh Pervrse - 17 Jul 2004 02:54 GMT
> A good dictator is much better than a lousy politican.  Without good dictator
> Bismarck, there wouldn't be today's Germany.  Without good dictator, Queen
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> Without the killing of Indians and enslavement of Africans, there wouldn't be
> today's USA.  Sorry folks but this is the truth. Is that clear?

Your citizens militia will not stand a chance against the US armed forces,
so just give it up right now.

-LTP

:)
Phorse 5 - 17 Jul 2004 17:45 GMT
> A good dictator is much better than a lousy politican.  Without good dictator
> Bismarck, there wouldn't be today's Germany.  Without good dictator, Queen
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> Without the killing of Indians and enslavement of Africans, there wouldn't be
> today's USA.  Sorry folks but this is the truth. Is that clear?

And you think the world would be worse or better if these dictators and
USA horrors had not happened?
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Xomicron - 17 Jul 2004 22:07 GMT
>> A good dictator is much better than a lousy politican.  Without good
>> dictator Bismarck, there wouldn't be today's Germany.  Without good
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> And you think the world would be worse or better if these dictators and
> USA horrors had not happened?

How do you know these major events didn't prevent something worse from
happening?
Luc Teh Pervrse - 18 Jul 2004 18:21 GMT
> > And you think the world would be worse or better if these dictators and
> > USA horrors had not happened?
>
> How do you know these major events didn't prevent something worse from
> happening?

Well the great depression caused world war II, and bad economic policy
during a recession caused the great depression and  . . . .  I smell an
instance of Godwin's Law coming on.  (Just be glad I stopped myself)

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Phorse 5 - 18 Jul 2004 21:17 GMT
> >> A good dictator is much better than a lousy politican.  Without good
> >> dictator Bismarck, there wouldn't be today's Germany.  Without good
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> How do you know these major events didn't prevent something worse from
> happening?

I'm not saying that something worse would or would not have happened if
these events had not taken place. Simply asking a yes/no question, which
may or may not require a simple or elongated explanation of reasoning
for position assumed after answering the aforesaid question....
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MIB529 - 17 Jul 2004 18:17 GMT
> A good dictator is much better than a lousy politican.  Without good dictator
> Bismarck, there wouldn't be today's Germany.  Without good dictator, Queen
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> Without the killing of Indians and enslavement of Africans, there wouldn't be
> today's USA.  Sorry folks but this is the truth. Is that clear?

Hey, Mussolini made the trains run on time.
EvilBill - 18 Jul 2004 01:33 GMT
What! Why is MIB529 <man_in_black529@yahoo.com> here?? All these
interruptions are enough to make one insane!!
> Xomicron <xomicron@wp.pl> wrote in message
>> A good dictator is much better than a lousy politican.  Without good
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
> Hey, Mussolini made the trains run on time.

And Bill Gates could sell sh.t if he wanted to. Which is, of course,
exactly what he does.

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Cannon Fodder - 18 Jul 2004 03:09 GMT
Then why do you use it instead of creating something better, douche
bag!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>And Bill Gates could sell sh.t if he wanted to. Which is, of course,
>exactly what he does.
Sir Robin - 18 Jul 2004 08:42 GMT
>>And Bill Gates could sell sh.t if he wanted to. Which is, of course,
>>exactly what he does.
>
>Then why do you use it instead of creating something better, douche
>bag!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Why create something better if there already is and if succeeding to
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EvilBill - 18 Jul 2004 13:29 GMT
What! Why is Cannon Fodder <gonfishn@airmail.net> here?? All these
interruptions are enough to make one insane!!
> Then why do you use it instead of creating something better, douche
> bag!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

1) I'm not a programmer
2) most of my software only runs on Windows

>> And Bill Gates could sell sh.t if he wanted to. Which is, of course,
>> exactly what he does.

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Luc Teh Pervrse - 18 Jul 2004 18:19 GMT
> What! Why is MIB529 <man_in_black529@yahoo.com> here?? All these
> >
> > Hey, Mussolini made the trains run on time.
>
> And Bill Gates could sell sh.t if he wanted to. Which is, of course,
> exactly what he does.

Whoa I believe you!  tell me what I must do and I will be your mindless
follower

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fishy_stink_ho - 17 Jul 2004 19:22 GMT
> A good dictator is much better than a lousy politican.  Without good dictator
> Bismarck, there wouldn't be today's Germany.  Without good dictator, Queen
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> Without the killing of Indians and enslavement of Africans, there wouldn't be
> today's USA.  Sorry folks but this is the truth. Is that clear?

Suck my dictator.
 
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