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Game Forum / Action Games / Doom / March 2007DOOM 2: Hell On Earth
A short video clip rekindled an old memories on Doom2 at http://geekvideo.blogspot.com/2007/03/doom-2-hell-on-earth.html , featuring on-camera shots of John Romero, American McGee, Shawn Green and Jay Wilbur. :) >A short video clip rekindled an old memories on Doom2 at > http://geekvideo.blogspot.com/2007/03/doom-2-hell-on-earth.html , > featuring on-camera shots of John Romero, American McGee, Shawn Green > and Jay Wilbur. :) The music in the background made it so 1985... >>A short video clip rekindled an old memories on Doom2 at >> http://geekvideo.blogspot.com/2007/03/doom-2-hell-on-earth.html , >> featuring on-camera shots of John Romero, American McGee, Shawn Green >> and Jay Wilbur. :) > > The music in the background made it so 1985... Surely you mean '95 "Jim Vieira" >>>A short video clip rekindled an old memories on Doom2 at >>> http://geekvideo.blogspot.com/2007/03/doom-2-hell-on-earth.html , [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Surely you mean '95 I guessed someone would say that... But it seems to me more '85ish. Or else '95 was just as awful... Brrrr. Can you imagine if Doom came out in 1985.. I think our heads would have exploded. > "Jim Vieira" >>>>A short video clip rekindled an old memories on Doom2 at [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > I guessed someone would say that... But it seems to me more '85ish. Or > else '95 was just as awful... Brrrr. >Can you imagine if Doom came out in 1985.. I think our heads would have >exploded. Even if the PC and game cost 5 grand, it would have saved me money. I spent that much in quarters at arcades between 84 and 87. > >Can you imagine if Doom came out in 1985.. I think our heads would have > >exploded. > > Even if the PC and game cost 5 grand, it would have saved me money. I > spent that much in quarters at arcades between 84 and 87. Yes!I spend around $20 a week which was a lot when you are 10-14 years old trying to find coke bottles to return for .10 each.... >"Jim Vieira" >>>>A short video clip rekindled an old memories on Doom2 at [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >I guessed someone would say that... But it seems to me more '85ish. Or else >'95 was just as awful... Brrrr. Let me guess, you like whatever is fashionable + showtunes... >>"Jim Vieira" >>>>>A short video clip rekindled an old memories on Doom2 at [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Let me guess, you like whatever is fashionable + showtunes... ??? > "Jim Vieira" >>>>A short video clip rekindled an old memories on Doom2 at [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > I guessed someone would say that... But it seems to me more '85ish. Or > else '95 was just as awful... Brrrr. The video's from early 1994 or even late 1993, when Doom was still only shareware and they were ramping up to the retail release and planning Doom 2.  SignatureTweek >>>>> featuring on-camera shots of John Romero, American McGee, Shawn >>>>> Green and Jay Wilbur. :) [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > shareware and they were ramping up to the retail release and planning Doom > 2. Are you sure? Did American McGree start working at id so soon? > A short video clip rekindled an old memories on Doom2 at > http://geekvideo.blogspot.com/2007/03/doom-2-hell-on-earth.html , > featuring on-camera shots of John Romero, American McGee, Shawn Green > and Jay Wilbur. :) American McGee has nothing to do with the masterpiece called DOOM And if I remember correctly Shawn Green was only the tech support at that time and Wilbur was business only, so the choice is totally incorrect... Romero obviously, and John Carmack, Adrian Carmack, Kevin Cloud, Something Petersen and the Prince with the sound and music, that was the dream team... Tom Hall started but left I think in the beginning... I hope I'm not forgetting anyone That was talent, and those talents together made magic and history DOOM which includes 1 and 2 will always be no matter what The First Person Shooter. The First Person Shooter, THE First Person Shooter, The one that set the standard we all know about... everything else is followers >> A short video clip rekindled an old memories on Doom2 at >> http://geekvideo.blogspot.com/2007/03/doom-2-hell-on-earth.html , >> featuring on-camera shots of John Romero, American McGee, Shawn Green >> and Jay Wilbur. :) > > American McGee has nothing to do with the masterpiece called DOOM American Mcgee started at ID. He was a level designer for Doom 2 you muppet. > American Mcgee started at ID. He was a level designer for Doom 2 you Quake, he worked in Quake not in DOOM 2, although I didn't remember about he working in support with Shawn http://www.mobygames.com/game/dos/doom-ii-hell-on-earth >> American Mcgee started at ID. He was a level designer for Doom 2 you > > Quake, he worked in Quake not in DOOM 2, although I didn't remember > about he working in support with Shawn > http://www.mobygames.com/game/dos/doom-ii-hell-on-earth http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_McGee "He was a level designer for such games as Doom II, Quake, and Quake II." > "He was a level designer for such games as Doom II, Quake, and Quake Ok my mistake >> American Mcgee started at ID. He was a level designer for Doom 2 you > > Quake, he worked in Quake not in DOOM 2, although I didn't remember > about he working in support with Shawn > http://www.mobygames.com/game/dos/doom-ii-hell-on-earth http://www.rome.ro/lee_killough/history/designer.shtml http://www.rome.ro/lee_killough/history/levels.shtml >>> A short video clip rekindled an old memories on Doom2 at >>> http://geekvideo.blogspot.com/2007/03/doom-2-hell-on-earth.html , [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >American Mcgee started at ID. He was a level designer for Doom 2 you >muppet. f.ck American Mcgee... All his games sucked on cock >>>> A short video clip rekindled an old memories on Doom2 at >>>> http://geekvideo.blogspot.com/2007/03/doom-2-hell-on-earth.html , [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > f.ck American Mcgee... All his games sucked on cock Including THE second most popular multiplayer FPS ever, Quake II? (The most popular for some reason is Counterstrike, but then it's always attracted a far greater number of lamers...) Signature-- * I always hope for the best. Experience, unfortunately, has taught me to expect the worst. Yahoo: evilbill_agqx Web: http://www.evilbill.org.uk >>>>> A short video clip rekindled an old memories on Doom2 at >>>>> http://geekvideo.blogspot.com/2007/03/doom-2-hell-on-earth.html , [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > >Including THE second most popular multiplayer FPS ever, Quake II? That wasn't exactly his game... I was talking about the games that had his name in it, like "America Mcgee's Alice" and some other games which all got bad reviews. >(The most popular for some reason is Counterstrike, but then it's always >attracted a far greater number of lamers...) That's cool if he did Counterstrike and CS Source... I have it installed on my computer but I haven't gotten around to playing it yet... It came with HL2 >>>>>> A short video clip rekindled an old memories on Doom2 at >>>>>> http://geekvideo.blogspot.com/2007/03/doom-2-hell-on-earth.html , [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > That wasn't exactly his game... He did work on it. <g> > I was talking about the games that had his name in it, like "America > Mcgee's Alice" and some other games which all got bad reviews. Ah, never played any of those. >> (The most popular for some reason is Counterstrike, but then it's >> always attracted a far greater number of lamers...) > > That's cool if he did Counterstrike and CS Source... I have it > installed on my computer but I haven't gotten around to playing it > yet... It came with HL2 Nope, no American McGee involvement there (well, unless you can count HL1 for using parts of the original Quake engine, but then they might just as well credit John Carmack. <g>) Signature-- * I always hope for the best. Experience, unfortunately, has taught me to expect the worst. Yahoo: evilbill_agqx Web: http://www.evilbill.org.uk "EvilBill" <quake2lives@gmail.com> wrote in news:55b9qhF23jjpeU1 @mid.individual.net: > Including THE second most popular multiplayer FPS ever, Quake II? > (The most popular for some reason is Counterstrike, but then it's always > attracted a far greater number of lamers...) For some reason, I could never appreciate Quake II as much as the original Quake. SignatureAaron J. Bossig http://www.GodsLabRat.com http://www.dvdverdict.com > "EvilBill" <quake2lives@gmail.com> wrote in news:55b9qhF23jjpeU1 > @mid.individual.net: [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > For some reason, I could never appreciate Quake II as much as the > original Quake. Heretic! Infidel!! ;) Signature-- * I always hope for the best. Experience, unfortunately, has taught me to expect the worst. Yahoo: evilbill_agqx Web: http://www.evilbill.org.uk >> For some reason, I could never appreciate Quake II as much as the >> original Quake. > Heretic! Infidel!! ;) I used to love Heretic. Never got quite the same kick from Hexen, though. As for the Quakes.... close one, but I'd have to go with Q2. Signature"Ubuntu" -- an African word, meaning "Slackware is too hard for me". > American McGee has nothing to do with the masterpiece called DOOM Not the original game, but he did a couple of Ultimate Doom levels, and several Doom 2 levels: http://www.rome.ro/lee_killough/history/designer.shtml SignatureChris Odorjan - codorjan@gmail.com - http://www.execulink.com/~bobnet/ > That was talent, and those talents together made magic and history > DOOM which includes 1 and 2 will always be no matter what The First > Person Shooter. The First Person Shooter, THE First Person Shooter, > The one that set the standard we all know about... everything else is > followers yep :) >> A short video clip rekindled an old memories on Doom2 at >> http://geekvideo.blogspot.com/2007/03/doom-2-hell-on-earth.html , [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] >The one that set the standard we all know about... everything else is >followers THE first FPS was Wolf 3D... But it was inevitable that someone would invent it. The real followers are console games... In those games you circle-jerk your way through targets by pressing buttons then firing... How about using a mouse and aiming for yourself? Duke 3D was the first to come up with 2-axis mouse aiming... everything else is followers. > THE first FPS was Wolf 3D... Agree But DOOM was the defining moment > The real followers are console games... In those games you circle-jerk > your way through targets by pressing buttons then firing... How about > using a mouse and aiming for yourself? Consoles are crap Consolist are dumb Console makers are monopolist companies wanting to turn customers into SLAVES > Duke 3D was the first to come up with 2-axis mouse aiming... > everything else is followers. No it wasn't it was Terminator Future Shock, one of the most innovative FPS ever created and one to be together with Wold3D (yes definitely the first FPS ever created) and DOOM as all time best Duke Nukem 3D is a very well made DOOM clone and became a classic, but its a clone nonetheless The innovation is with the humor which then gave birth to titles like Serious Sam Serious Sam is a "child" of Duke Nukem 3D and I feel that is a big compliment cause Serious Sam is now also classic material > > Duke 3D was the first to come up with 2-axis mouse aiming... > > everything else is followers. > > No it wasn't it was Terminator Future Shock, one of the most > innovative FPS ever created and one to be together with Wold3D (yes > definitely the first FPS ever created) Have you tried Robocop 3D (Ocean)? Released shortly after Wolf 3D in 1992, and used the mouse for 2-axis aiming. It wasn't strictly an FPS though, so it may not count. > Have you tried Robocop 3D (Ocean)? Released shortly after Wolf 3D in > 1992, and used the mouse for 2-axis aiming. It wasn't strictly an FPS > though, so it may not count. Never played it... didn't know it existed Is it a PC game? Did it played in First Person view? Future Shock introduced what is now the standard... Head movement is done by the mouse when previously with the id standard Wolf3D/DOOM it was fixed. That was the innovation which for me was an enormous one cause its still used nowadays > > Have you tried Robocop 3D (Ocean)? Released shortly after Wolf 3D in > > 1992, and used the mouse for 2-axis aiming. It wasn't strictly an FPS [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > That was the innovation which for me was an enormous one cause its > still used nowadays PC, Amiga, and ST though it is probably best known in it's Amiga form because it used the Epic game engine (which was a 3D space shooter). Parts of the game were FPS with keyboard control for movement and mouse for aiming, other parts were first person driving and 3rd person flying with a jetpack. In an ironic way it's more in tune with what the game industry seems to want now, a game where you are in different vehicles/scenarios like GTA as opposed to a pure straight up FPS. > PC, Amiga, and ST though it is probably best known in it's Amiga form > because it used the Epic game engine (which was a 3D space shooter). [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > the game industry seems to want now, a game where you are in different > vehicles/scenarios like GTA as opposed to a pure straight up FPS. http://www.mobygames.com/game/dos/robocop-3_/screenshots/gameShotId,168431/ Not impressed by the 1st person screenshot from Moby Games Are you sure this game deserves to be talked about? Even Hovertank looks much better > > PC, Amiga, and ST though it is probably best known in it's Amiga form > > because it used the Epic game engine (which was a 3D space shooter). [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Are you sure this game deserves to be talked about? > Even Hovertank looks much better Screenshots are from the EGA PC version, Eww. And since when did graphics count anyway, this is a classic gaming group :-) >> http://www.mobygames.com/game/dos/robocop-3_/screenshots/gameShotId,1... >> Not impressed by the 1st person screenshot from Moby Games [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > And since when did graphics count anyway, this is a classic gaming > group :-) I'm comparing it with Hovertank which was done one year before Robocop 3D and both are EGA so isn't it a fair comparison? As for graphics in games... for me Wolfenstein 3D still looks awesome and that will never change You know graphics for me is not about resolution, its about creativity and that is timeless -- "8 hrs of gameplay ? When ? Around Christmas 2008 ? Joining DNF on the never-never merry-go-round ? The hold-up is probably because Valve is still figuring where to put the in-game ads. On Alyx's rear-end ?" John Lewis (About upcoming ridiculously delayed Half-Life 2 Episode 2) in comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action March 9, 2007 >> THE first FPS was Wolf 3D... > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] >No it wasn't it was Terminator Future Shock, one of the most >innovative FPS ever created and one to be together with Wold3D Im pretty sure TFS came after because it wouldn't play on my 386 AMD 40 Mhz 4 MB which Wolf 3D rocked on... >(yes >definitely the first FPS ever created) and DOOM as all time best >Duke Nukem 3D is a very well made DOOM clone and became a classic, but >its a clone nonetheless Duke 3D was groundbreaking at the time. It had 2 axis mouse look, creative weapons like the ice gun where you shatter the frozen enemy and the shrink gun where you step on it. It also had good location graphics, like city scapes, plus collapsing buildings and mountains, not to mention great dialog for the time... Too bad Duke Nukem Forever never materialized... >The innovation is with the humor which then gave birth to titles like >Serious Sam >Serious Sam is a "child" of Duke Nukem 3D and I feel that is a big >compliment cause Serious Sam is now also classic material Yeah maybe Duke Forever should've used the Quake 3 engine like Serious Sam and got it over and done with... Now all we have is Duke Fornever still haunting us 12 years later... Duke is no doubt rolling in his grave... BTW, did anyone actually beat Serious Sam 1??? I gave up after the arena of endless Rhinos... >>> THE first FPS was Wolf 3D... >> [quoted text clipped - 43 lines] > > BTW, did anyone actually beat Serious Sam 1??? Yup. ...On the easiest diffixulty. ;) > I gave up after the arena of endless Rhinos... Signature-- * I always hope for the best. Experience, unfortunately, has taught me to expect the worst. Yahoo: evilbill_agqx Web: http://www.evilbill.org.uk count zero said the following on 3/9/2007 4:40 AM: <snip> > BTW, did anyone actually beat Serious Sam 1??? > > I gave up after the arena of endless Rhinos... me, me, me did (pffft - but I used cheats :) Signature(^\pop/^) (not bob, qoq or dod) I Stopped to think but forgot to start again. -- > Yeah maybe Duke Forever should've used the Quake 3 engine like Serious DNF is still in development... yes its not a joke... they switched to the Unreal 2 engine a couple of years ago... and since then Epic already released a third version of that engine There were some rumors about they switching (again) now to the DOOM 3 engine but they denied > Sam and got it over and done with... Now all we have is Duke Fornever > still haunting us 12 years later... Serious Sam didn't use Quake 3 engine but its own called appropriately "Serious engine", although I bet it was highly inspired by Quake 3 engine > Duke is no doubt rolling in his grave... Duke is not dead, he will be back, at least I hope so... > BTW, did anyone actually beat Serious Sam 1??? Yep, first encounter and second encounter I finished them at least two times > I gave up after the arena of endless Rhinos... A classic First Person Shooter moment Simply indescribable Pure genius Unbelievable what Croteam them do with Serious Sam 2 So awful... How can such talent disappear all the sudden I hope the same doesn't happen with DNF/3D Realms, so in that regard its better they take time to do it right > THE first FPS was Wolf 3D... Wolfenstein 3D wasn't even id's first FPS, let alone the world's: Catacombs 3D used a similar engine (although for EGA instead of VGA), and the even older Hovertank 3D could probably be classified as a first-person shooter. Nor was Doom the first multiplayer FPS. That honour probably goes to MIDI Maze. Although it's probably true that Wolf3D, and to a greater extent Doom, ushered in the modern FPS era... SignatureChris Odorjan - codorjan@gmail.com - http://www.execulink.com/~bobnet/ Chris Odorjan said the following on 3/7/2007 10:24 AM: >> THE first FPS was Wolf 3D... > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Although it's probably true that Wolf3D, and to a greater extent Doom, > ushered in the modern FPS era... ahhh... the 70's and 80's: mid 70's Adventure type games (Zork 1,2 & 3, etc;) to the 80's ascii games that waited for input on a background picture that depicted the current game environment. Then to the 90's with id's first PC game with motion: Commander Keen - that got the ball rolling with a new marketing method: give away part of the game free... pay later for the rest of the game. And herewe are now fussing over whether our video card can get a gazillion frames per second with the latest game. How time flies when you're having fun :-) Signature(^\pop/^) (not bob, qoq or dod) I Stopped to think but forgot to start again. -- > Chris Odorjan said the following on 3/7/2007 10:24 AM: > [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > whether our video card can get a gazillion frames per second with the > latest game. How time flies when you're having fun :-) Oh yeah, I remember. First monitor was mono B&W, then Hercules, then CGA, then EGA, then VGA, then SVGA....... > Wolfenstein 3D wasn't even id's first FPS, let alone the world's: > Catacombs 3D used a similar engine (although for EGA instead of VGA), > and the even older Hovertank 3D could probably be classified as a > first-person shooter. Hovertank is not a First Person Shooter cause you are driving a tank. Its like calling any Driving game a First Person Shooter, yes the view is First Person but nobody calls Driving games FPS and Hovertank is a driving tank Action game. Catacomb 3D is different cause its an Action game played in First Person view but I do prefer to name Wolfenstein 3D the first cause, in Catacomb 3D you don't have a weapon... ok probably it sounds strange but try playing Catacomb 3D... it feels like a FPS, it even plays like a FPS but at the end you feel Wolfenstein 3D is the first and Catacomb 3D was more of an "experience" Ok I admit Catacomb 3D can be consider the first one, but I will probably always name Wolfenstein 3D the one Don't forget both are from id so id will always be credited as the creators... now if its Catacomb 3D or Wolfenstein 3D I feel its a secondary issue >> THE first FPS was Wolf 3D... > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Although it's probably true that Wolf3D, and to a greater extent Doom, > ushered in the modern FPS era... Could you shoot in the C64 game, Scarabeus? >> THE first FPS was Wolf 3D... > >Wolfenstein 3D wasn't even id's first FPS, let alone the world's: >Catacombs 3D used a similar engine (although for EGA instead of VGA), Wow that's weird... Catacombs 3D came out in 1991 but I never heard of it, even though I played other Carmack games like Commander Keen around the same time... I guess it didn't make much of a buzz around the BBS's at the time... (I would've loved to own a 14.4 Kbps USR back then!) >and the even older Hovertank 3D could probably be classified as a >first-person shooter. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >Although it's probably true that Wolf3D, and to a greater extent Doom, >ushered in the modern FPS era... count zero said the following on 3/9/2007 4:54 AM: >>> THE first FPS was Wolf 3D... >> Wolfenstein 3D wasn't even id's first FPS, let alone the world's: [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] >> Although it's probably true that Wolf3D, and to a greater extent Doom, >> ushered in the modern FPS era... There were three games of Catacombs 3D: Catacombs abyss, Catacombs curse and Catacombs terror. I don't remember which order they were released but I think abyss was the first one. Signature(^\pop/^) (not bob, qoq or dod) I Stopped to think but forgot to start again. -- > There were three games of Catacombs 3D: Catacombs abyss, Catacombs curse > and Catacombs terror. I don't remember which order they were released > but I think abyss was the first one. We all really need some PC Game history lessons Catacomb 3D was id's creation when they worked at Softdisk Now after they left, Softdisk picked up the game and made 3 sequels called Abyss, Apocalypse and Armageddon. Neither are from id, but they use the same characters and engine So to resume... Catacomb 3D, the first, the original from id, published by Softdisk Catacomb Abyss, Apocalypse and Armageddon, sequels not made by id that came later are were also published by Softdisk > Wow that's weird... Catacombs 3D came out in 1991 but I never heard of > it, even though I played other Carmack games like Commander Keen > around the same time... I guess it didn't make much of a buzz around > the BBS's at the time... (I would've loved to own a 14.4 Kbps USR back > then!) Same here; I usually kept up with games that were released as shareware, but this one seemed to sneak in under the radar... Actually, that could be because I didn't have an EGA-capable card until 1993 sometime. Although I was certainly aware of Commander Keen before then. SignatureChris Odorjan - codorjan@gmail.com - http://www.execulink.com/~bobnet/ > > THE first FPS was Wolf 3D... > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > -- > Chris Odorjan - codor...@gmail.com -http://www.execulink.com/~bobnet/ http://www.classic-pc-games.com/pc/arcade_action/castle_wolfenstein.html The real Wolfenstein!! I recall my brother playing this til all hours of the night and how glued to the screen I was as a 10 year old. Cool game. > A short video clip rekindled an old memories on Doom2 athttp://geekvideo.blogspot.com/2007/03/doom-2-hell-on-earth.html, > featuring on-camera shots of John Romero, American McGee, Shawn Green > and Jay Wilbur. :) Any Doom fans should check out the classic Doom mod for Doom 3. It's the classic Doom game using the Doom 3 engine. Really cool. http://cdoom.d3files.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=29&Itemid=15 I still have Doom up and running ... all of them. I switched to Jdoom, and even have a mouse and OpenGL graphics. Fireballs never looked so good. johns |
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