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Game Forum / Role Playing Games / Diablo / December 2003fate of 290s , 40/15, and 3/20/20s
Hi all, What do you think will happen to 290s, 40-15, and 3/20/20s and imp brows and c-grips?? Will blizzard someday suddenly go crazy and delete all those?? I hope not. When they deleted occy rings, my lvl 97 sorc is totally useless now. When they deleted bstrings and wis rings, my lvl 75 zon can't take a hit. Now 290s are currencies of d2 lod 1.1 and it's great that they are very useful to carry around. U don't carry 8 sojs when u do baal runs. It's going to make every class useless if 290s are deleted. barbs, pallies, zons, assins, durids, can't do anything without 290s because even hell act5 champions have dual immunes. 40-15 is totally cool, but we know blizzard hates all cool things. Do u think blizzard will delete them?? Do they ever post a notice or warning before they start to delete cool things??? Thanks all, for the love of d2 lod 1.1 go_d2 Play open Battle.net I think it is there you belong > Hi all, > [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > go_d2 I'll have to agree, we don't need your kinda around here, we all hear this on b-net to much as is... Minus > Play open Battle.net > [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > > > > go_d2 > Hi all, > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > When they deleted bstrings and wis rings, my lvl 75 zon can't take a > hit. Then you must have really screwed up these builds. > It's going to make every class useless if 290s are deleted. barbs, > pallies, zons, assins, durids, can't do anything without 290s because > even hell act5 champions have dual immunes. uh, I've played every class in 1.10 so far and your impressions are way off base. Just because a class has a hard time (and they all do) in hell act 5 doesn't mean they are useless. It's not useless to try and win at cards without being able to see your opponent's hand. > Do u think blizzard will delete them?? Do they ever post a notice or > warning before they start to delete cool things??? There's nothing cool about items that make you kill everything in an instant and make it impossible for you to die - it makes things really boring. Why not just play single player, use an editor to give yourself +2000 to all stats, and finish the game in 10 minutes. It's not impressive to be able to dish out godly damage and be unkillable. It's impressive to dish out mediocre damage, have trouble in many areas, find yourself at times underpowered, and yet still find a way to win. > It's not impressive to be able to dish out godly damage and be > unkillable. It's impressive to dish out mediocre damage, have > trouble in many areas, find yourself at times underpowered, and yet > still find a way to win. What's not impressive is being one-hit-killed because Lister whacked you before your computer finished lagging, but of course that can only be fixed by the biggest hacks of all: those that work for Blizzard.  Signature-- * Kneel before AGQx. The power. The glory. The... endless bloody packet loss! Remove COLLECTIVERECTUM to e-mail. Web: http://www.evilbill.co.uk AIM: EvilBill1782 MSN: devlin@agqx-imperium.fsnet.co.uk The Jack of Hearts of the Eeeevil Trek Cabal (TINC) > > It's not impressive to be able to dish out godly damage and be > > unkillable. It's impressive to dish out mediocre damage, have [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > you before your computer finished lagging, but of course that can only > be fixed by the biggest hacks of all: those that work for Blizzard. Or even easier, just back away to the point where they still spawn, but can't see you. short > "EvilBill" <evilbillCOLLECTIVERECTUM@lineone.net> wrote in message >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Or even easier, just back away to the point where they still spawn, > but can't see you. I usually do after laying the smackdown on Ventar, but there's always the possibility of a badly timed desync. <g> Signature-- * Confucius he say, man who buy Windows get what he deserve! Remove COLLECTIVERECTUM to e-mail. Web: http://www.evilbill.co.uk AIM: EvilBill1782 MSN: devlin@agqx-imperium.fsnet.co.uk The Jack of Hearts of the Eeeevil Trek Cabal (TINC) > > "EvilBill" <evilbillCOLLECTIVERECTUM@lineone.net> wrote in message > >> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > I usually do after laying the smackdown on Ventar, but there's always > the possibility of a badly timed desync. <g> Heh, yes there is. Or the time I run up and try and grab the rejuves that fall *before* Lister comes out. Being right smack in the middle of that pack just about always sucks. short - of course I've never really done that..... > When they deleted occy rings, my lvl 97 sorc is totally useless now. Then it's a shame you suck. Perhaps you should try an easier game...perhaps Fisher Price's Count by Numbers? I dunno man.... even that might be to hard for the little tyke... Minus > > When they deleted occy rings, my lvl 97 sorc is totally useless now. > > Then it's a shame you suck. Perhaps you should try an easier game...perhaps > Fisher Price's Count by Numbers? > > When they deleted occy rings, my lvl 97 sorc is totally useless now. > > Then it's a shame you suck. Perhaps you should try an easier game...perhaps > Fisher Price's Count by Numbers? Wow, I just wanted some opinions, I had no clue there are so many "legit only" players here and they know how to insult people. I'm very dispointed in this group :-( > "Shiflet" <rshiflet@charter.net> wrote in message >> "go_d2" <go_d2@yahoo.com> wrote in message [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > I'm very dispointed in this group :-( We're *all* legit-only in here, we don't support hacks, cheats, dupers or any of that crap. And the vast majority of us have beaten Hell with multiple characters - and multiple *builds* of the same character class - without using any of that stuff. It's just laziness, people who use hacks just can't be bothered to play the game how it's supposed to be played. And if your sorc is useless at lvl 97 without hacks, she obviously wasn't built right, cause most sorcs in their 70s or 80s can beat Hell Baal. Signature-- * I am the Jaffa of Christmas Past, ho ho ho Kree! Remove COLLECTIVERECTUM to e-mail. Web: http://www.evilbill.co.uk AIM: EvilBill1782 MSN: devlin@agqx-imperium.fsnet.co.uk The Jack of Hearts of the Eeeevil Trek Cabal (TINC) > We're *all* legit-only in here, we don't support hacks, cheats, dupers > or any of that crap. And the vast majority of us have beaten Hell with > multiple characters - and multiple *builds* of the same character > class - without using any of that stuff. It's just laziness, people > who use hacks just can't be bothered to play the game how it's > supposed to be played. Can u tell me your total legit bowazon build? gears? and how u finish baal? I assume u don't use wf or valor 'cause 99.99% of em are dupes. > > We're *all* legit-only in here, we don't support hacks, cheats, dupers > > or any of that crap. And the vast majority of us have beaten Hell with [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Can u tell me your total legit bowazon build? gears? and how u finish > baal? I assume u don't use wf or valor 'cause 99.99% of em are dupes. I've not found a wf but the valours I have are legit because I found them. Which zon build are you interested in, stafe, MS, Immolation, javazon, hybrid, full dex or mavs set? > Which zon build are you interested in, stafe, MS, Immolation, javazon, > hybrid, full dex or mavs set? Hahaha go_d2, to quote most public duelers, "owned" > I've not found a wf but the valours I have are legit because I found them. > Which zon build are you interested in, stafe, MS, Immolation, javazon, > hybrid, full dex or mavs set? I want a bowazon that can go all the way to solo finish baal. My gowazon is lvl 85 now, with max FA, 18 in GA, 18 in valkrie, 10 in MS, and some points in critical strike and penatrate. But it's almost impossible for her to finish baal. Just doesn't have enough power. Also she often got put down but the things (don't remember the name) that come up from the ground like roots, which sometimes can hit u with fist of heaven. There got to be a good build that can do solo baal. Also did u find valor on baal run? thx. > > I've not found a wf but the valours I have are legit because I found them. > > Which zon build are you interested in, stafe, MS, Immolation, javazon, [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > and some points in critical strike and penatrate. But it's almost > impossible for her to finish baal. Just doesn't have enough power. if you mean a bowazon for mfing baal then you've picked the wrong class. The skill which seems low is crit strike. It really wants a minimum of 16 and wear LoH now instead of chance guards. Some type of CBF is needed or swift drinking of antifreeze. Strafe works comparatively well for me and I've been told magic arrow does too (yet to try this to any large extent but it works ok on PIs even at low levels). > Also she often got put down but the things (don't remember the name) > that come up from the ground like roots, which sometimes can hit u > with fist of heaven. There got to be a good build that can do solo > baal. sounds like you've low passives and aren't tanking him hard enough - too much dodging around to miss being hit and thus not enough damage output. There's two mini strats you can try which might help you. If your bow is relatively low powered go back and fight baal how we had to fight D with the bow bug (enh damage used to not work on bows) - grab a shield and hack him to bits with a (good pre3ferably elemental/magic) sword/mace etc. The other way is to use your inventory to hold pots and drink from there directly - both of these will get you into the habit of focussing on the damaging you're doing rather than taking. > Also did u find valor on baal run? thx. it wasn't baal, for the life of me I can't recall exactly where they've dropped, but both were whilst questing and not in mf gear. >> We're *all* legit-only in here, we don't support hacks, cheats, >> dupers or any of that crap. And the vast majority of us have [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > finish baal? I assume u don't use wf or valor 'cause 99.99% of em > are dupes. Well, last time I finished Hell with a zon was in 1.09. She used a Goldstrike (later swapped out for a Buriza), Spirit Shroud, Tal Rasha's belt and mask (she later found a Shako in cows which she put on her merc), and the rest of her gear IIRC was various rares/magicals she found or gambled. Think she has a +2 to zon skills ammy she got from Gheed, I'm not sure. Looking back now, she's quite a flawed build - can't solo cows, certainly couldn't solo Hell 1.10. I'm building a new bowazon in 1.10 but so far she's still in act2 Normal, around lvl 18. Signature-- * I am the Jaffa of Christmas Past, ho ho ho Kree! Remove COLLECTIVERECTUM to e-mail. Web: http://www.evilbill.co.uk AIM: EvilBill1782 MSN: devlin@agqx-imperium.fsnet.co.uk The Jack of Hearts of the Eeeevil Trek Cabal (TINC) "Bother!", said Pooh, as he read go_d2's latest post to alt.games.diablo. >> We're *all* legit-only in here, we don't support hacks, cheats, dupers >> or any of that crap. And the vast majority of us have beaten Hell with [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >Can u tell me your total legit bowazon build? gears? and how u finish >baal? I assume u don't use wf or valor 'cause 99.99% of em are dupes. You see that Matriarch in my .sig? Legit. The vast majority of her gear is stuff I found myself. The few pieces that aren't were given or traded from other players that I know to play only legit. None of it is perfect, nor is it my dream gear. With the possible exception of Tal's Mask, which I found for myself. She uses: Disciple set Rare/Gambled rings Tal's Mask Passion Grand Matron Bow For MF, she switches out the Disciple for: Wealth Wire Fleece Blood Craft Gloves Goldwrap Caster Craft Boots Atma's Scarab I found or made all of that gear myself, except for the Blood gloves and the Telling of Beads (thanks again, Simon). For skills, she's got 8 points in MS and Strafe, maxed GA and Valk, one point in FA, and the rest in passives. She can't solo Baal yet, not without a much heavier bow. But she managed to beat him in a two-player game with the help of a jab/LF 'zon in a public game. Blizzard has made it pretty clear that they don't want people to be running solo, and so I don't see that as a huge strike against her. If your character "needs" WF or Arkaine's, or any of the other top-end items to be able to play the game, then I am forced to question your skill. I've seen a whole lot of very underpowered characters in Hell games and spot reports, and they seem to manage just fine. I've also seen just as many Orb sorcs and Burrito-zons get trashed in games because they rushed rght into a boss pack, or otherwise did something stupid. LineNoise SignatureICQ# 68214833 Matriarch Allysyn, level 84 Amazon, USWest Ladder Champion Denise_LN, level 76 Sorceress, USWest Ladder . I don't think of myself as single. I'm romantically challenged. > Wow, I just wanted some opinions, I gave you one. I gave you my opinion that if you have a lvl 97 sorc who sucks because your hacked items got deleted, you should try an easier game, cause you obviously suck. My sorc is lvl 79, uses no hacks, and can beat the game, so if yours can't, you have no skill. Period. Then I suggested a game that might fit your skill levels. In retrospect, perhaps I was being too generous. > I'm very dispointed in this group :-( And I'm very dissappointed that you have to cheat in order to win. >> Wow, I just wanted some opinions, > > I gave you one. I gave you my opinion that if you have a lvl 97 > sorc who sucks because your hacked items got deleted, you should > try an easier game, cause you obviously suck. My sorc is lvl 79, > uses no hacks, and can beat the game, My Gemstone sorc was 79 when she gave Hell Baal his much-deserved whooping. He dropped sh.t, of course. Signature-- * I am the Jaffa of Christmas Past, ho ho ho Kree! Remove COLLECTIVERECTUM to e-mail. Web: http://www.evilbill.co.uk AIM: EvilBill1782 MSN: devlin@agqx-imperium.fsnet.co.uk The Jack of Hearts of the Eeeevil Trek Cabal (TINC) > > Wow, I just wanted some opinions, > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > And I'm very dissappointed that you have to cheat in order to win. Have u ever seen a botd colossus blade which deals 750+ dmg?? assume it's legit, alright? and u know the odds to get zod from drop is like 1:200000+. then what's wrong with 40-15 wf?? yes you use all legit items, assume u r not lying, and u never trade, 'cause if u ever trade, u can't garanty anything is legit, even the UNIDs. but that doesn't mean u r any smarter than other players. Just remember be polite with others alright. I'm teaching u lesson now. > > > Wow, I just wanted some opinions, > > [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > UNIDs. but that doesn't mean u r any smarter than other players. Just > remember be polite with others alright. I'm teaching u lesson now. ok, what are you going to teach us? > ok, what are you going to teach us? Well, sorry, I can't teach anybody anything. i'm just a newbie. Some members of this group are very rude. I'm disappointed. And u don't have to rude to make a point. > > ok, what are you going to teach us? > > Well, sorry, I can't teach anybody anything. i'm just a newbie. Some > members of this group are very rude. I'm disappointed. And u don't > have to rude to make a point. well if you hang around long enough, you'll realise that the overwhelming amount of people here play the game "legitimately" - I use quotes around that because what the word means does vary a bit from person to person. But it doesn't include dupes and hacked items in anyone (here's) definition. Being a proponent of using hacked items and dupes will get a flaming, just as you'd probably react to someone asking for a download of LoD. The flaming over these issues serves it's purpose - it puts the poster (and new people) in no doubt about how ideals of dupes/hacks are viewed by the group and most immediately leave. Occaisionally one hangs around for a while and learns that they can get a lot more out of the game by playing legitimately and becomes one of the group. This is one of the few issues where unfortunately you do need to be rude to make the point. If we went on pandering to people's feelings on it would only result in long protracted discussions on hacking and eventually we'd see uber guides which require hacks and dupes pop up. Save your judgment on this until, and if, you hang around for a while - it might change from feeling that you've been harshly dealt with or victimised to understanding why the 'tude, ok? - it > might change from feeling that you've been harshly dealt with or victimised > to understanding why the 'tude, ok? I still think that regardless of your d2 style, skill lvl, d2 exp, u do not have to be rude to make a point under any circumstances. This is always true both in and outside of the realm of d2. Maybe the members in this group do d2 all legit overwhelmingly. I respect that, it's ur freedom of choice and u have to work very hard to be all legit. But on b.net what I see is that overwhelming majority of the b.net users use, trade, and enjoy things like imp brow, c-grip, 40/15. Has anybody bothered to ask WHY??? u go figure. U like to beat the odds of 1:1,000,000 for wf?. Blizzard loves your kind. It felt like if u mention the word "steak" in a group of vegetarians, you deserve to be treated harshly with rudeness. That's so WRONG. (i've never seen, or used, or traded, or mentioned any crazy stuff like white ring). I saw a posting yesterday. somebody just found a 40-15. So 40-15 should be legit. There are many items that have similar stats of imp-brow, and c-grip. You could be using imp-brow and c-grip, just yours has a different name. Also the all legit's are not the only ones that work hard. You think u can get imp-brow or c-grip easily?? good luck. be kind, not rude, have fun thx. > - it > > might change from feeling that you've been harshly dealt with or victimised [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > c-grip, 40/15. Has anybody bothered to ask WHY??? u go figure. U like > to beat the odds of 1:1,000,000 for wf?. Blizzard loves your kind. It's easy to play legitimately online. Simply avoid interacting with the elements of Battle.net play that rely on that kind of thing - it is possible. I never play in a game that's not passworded, after all. > It felt like if u mention the word "steak" in a group of vegetarians, > you deserve to be treated harshly with rudeness. That's so WRONG. There's a difference between talking about "steak" around vegetarians and talking about counterfeiting money around people who work for a living. > (i've never seen, or used, or traded, or mentioned any crazy stuff > like white ring). > > I saw a posting yesterday. somebody just found a 40-15. So 40-15 > should be legit. ITYM "could be legit." That one could drop does not make all the dupes legit. > Also the all legit's are not the only ones that work hard. You think u > can get imp-brow or c-grip easily?? good luck. In 1.09, there was always pindlebot runs. SignatureElizabeth D. Brooks | kali.magdalene@comcast.net | US2002021724 Listowner: Aberrants_Worldwide, Fading_Suns_Games, TrinityRPG AeonAdventure | "Dobby likes us!" -- Smeagol -- http://www.theonering.net/scrapbook/view/6856 > > Also the all legit's are not the only ones that work hard. You think u > > can get imp-brow or c-grip easily?? good luck. > > In 1.09, there was always pindlebot runs. Well, FYI, Imp Bow and C-Grip are duped rares. Pindlebot runs wouldn't have helped there. > > > Also the all legit's are not the only ones that work hard. You think u > > > can get imp-brow or c-grip easily?? good luck. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Well, FYI, Imp Bow and C-Grip are duped rares. Pindlebot runs wouldn't have > helped there. Imp Bow and C-Grip? I must be behind in the duping, I've never seen these. short > > > Also the all legit's are not the only ones that work hard. You think u > > > can get imp-brow or c-grip easily?? good luck. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Well, FYI, Imp Bow and C-Grip are duped rares. Pindlebot runs wouldn't have > helped there. I didn't mean those specifically so much as items of that caliber. SignatureElizabeth D. Brooks | kali.magdalene@comcast.net | US2002021724 Listowner: Aberrants_Worldwide, Fading_Suns_Games, TrinityRPG AeonAdventure | "Dobby likes us!" -- Smeagol -- http://www.theonering.net/scrapbook/view/6856 > I still think that regardless of your d2 style, skill lvl, d2 exp, u > do not have to be rude to make a point under any circumstances. This > is always true both in and outside of the realm of d2. Hacks and dupes have ruined BNet or many people. You should expect some level of resentment in a crowd who prefer legit play. > Maybe the members in this group do d2 all legit overwhelmingly. I > respect that, it's ur freedom of choice and u have to work very hard > to be all legit. But on b.net what I see is that overwhelming majority > of the b.net users use, trade, and enjoy things like imp brow, > c-grip, 40/15. Has anybody bothered to ask WHY??? u go figure. U like > to beat the odds of 1:1,000,000 for wf?. Blizzard loves your kind. Why? Because they don't really WANT to play Diablo. What they want to do is compare their dick size to everyone else. They see it as "winning" if their item does 1 more damage than another person's, even if the item's existence is due to a cheat. Don't like the odds for finding a WF? Ask yourself, why do you need one? I've seen bowazons finish hell with a kuko (a legit item VERY easy to trade for by the time you're in hell), or a rare bow that Anya gave them. Why can't you? Oh right, because that is not your goal. Your goal is to have the best item, even if you have to cheat to get it. > It felt like if u mention the word "steak" in a group of vegetarians, > you deserve to be treated harshly with rudeness. That's so WRONG. No, but if you eat your steak over their plate, and it drips on their vegetables, expect them to treat you with contempt. And by the way, the word is "you". If you type like you can't be bothered to take the time to make your words easy to read, people will respond in a much less pleasant manner. > Don't like the odds for finding a WF? Ask yourself, why do you > need one? I've seen bowazons finish hell with a kuko (a legit item > VERY easy to trade for by the time you're in hell), Hell, you can finish Hell with a skystrike if you're very patient. <g> I did so with a goldstrike IIRC, before getting myself a Burrito. Signature-- * "Yew damn, conniving, four-footed daughter-of-a-broodmare" - RikaCMO; 23rd September 2000 Remove COLLECTIVERECTUM to e-mail. Web: http://www.evilbill.co.uk AIM: EvilBill1782 MSN: devlin@agqx-imperium.fsnet.co.uk The Jack of Hearts of the Eeeevil Trek Cabal (TINC) > > Don't like the odds for finding a WF? Ask yourself, why do you > > need one? I've seen bowazons finish hell with a kuko (a legit item > > VERY easy to trade for by the time you're in hell), > > Hell, you can finish Hell with a skystrike if you're very patient. <g> > I did so with a goldstrike IIRC, before getting myself a Burrito. A Goldstrike amazon was pre-1.10 very capaple of beating Hell. Look at those mods again. Maybe it doesnt have the same kind of damage as Windforce and Buriza-Do-Kyanon, but with its speed and its ~250% damage to demons and undead, it was quite sufficient. Almost all monsters in act 5 are demons or undead. In fact, I would still believe that, _if_ a bowazon is capaple of finishing Hell solo, then it can be done with a Goldstrike. Regards Romendacil ... Can you tell, that the Goldstrike is one of my favourite bows? >In fact, I would still believe that, _if_ a bowazon is capaple of finishing >Hell solo, then it can be done with a Goldstrike. > >Regards Romendacil No "if" about it, a Bowazon *can* finish Hell solo, *if* the stupid game doesn't come up with idiotic error messages :-( Ok, that needs to be explained. In AR, where the monsters are *definitely* harder (but the rewards are greater), I've been desperately trying to verify that Diablo runs in Hell are the best place to item hunt. Unfortunately, I haven't seen anything decent drop up to Diablo himself, and both times I've tried the computer or game has locked up as soon as I release Diablo. The first game, I was running up to meet him when the computer completely locked up, had to do a cold boot to get it back. The second time, I noticed as I hit the last seal that FPS was showing 287/287 memory used, and paused the game and alt-tabbed out to try to free up some memory. I'd managed to free up about 90 of the 288 when all of a sudden (remember, the game was paused, nothing should have been happening in it) up pops an all too familiar error message, wait a sec, I've got it exactly in error logs: Location : Fog\Src\Mem\mem.cpp, line #902 Expression : MEMORY ERROR: Out of Memory That one actual came from killing Shenk with Zan-AR, but trust me, it's the same one :-( Anyway, the point I was trying to make is that she handled all of the CS (and believe me, it's tougher in AR, the Chaos Grand Vizier is shooting some form of Chain Lightning that bounces from the Decoy to the Valk to her to the Rogue and sometimes back again) with *no* problems twice now, I have no doubt that she can handle any part of the game, *except* the stupid error messages :-( Signatureald "Knowledge is Power" reply via e-mail to a717 at erols dot com VK`Sister`ald level 47 Rogue (HF V&K) Matriarch Sis-West level 82 Bowazon (US West) Champion RingsNThngs level 61 Bowazon (US West) Slayer ZannEsu-ald level 51 Sorceress (US West) Matriarch Sis-AR level 99 Bowazon (Ancestral Recall Mod) Champion Creepy-AR Level 86 Necromancer (AR) Slayer Zan-AR Level 77 Sorceress (AR) Slayer SisEight-AR Level 75 Hybridazon (AR) Gems-AR Level 54 Barbarian (AR) Champion Sis-otSEye Level 74 Bowazon (ladder, US West, co-op) CotSRSig #16 http://users.erols.com/a717 "Bother!", said Pooh, as he read ald's latest post to alt.games.diablo. >>In fact, I would still believe that, _if_ a bowazon is capaple of finishing >>Hell solo, then it can be done with a Goldstrike. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >No "if" about it, a Bowazon *can* finish Hell solo, *if* the stupid >game doesn't come up with idiotic error messages :-( So far, the only bit of 1.10 Hell that I haven't done solo is Worldstone 2 and Baal. I've beaten Baal in a two-player game with a jab/fury 'zon tanking for me. I probably *could* do it now that I've got the Buriza, but when I was using the Passion, I wouldn't have wanted to try it. Between his regen, and the amount of time I spent refilling my belt with potions and running to town for arrows, it would've taken 3-4 hours to finish him. Hell Diablo, by comparison, takes only a couple minutes once I pop the last seal. LineNoise SignatureICQ# 68214833 Matriarch Allysyn, level 85 Amazon, USWest Ladder Champion Denise_LN, level 76 Sorceress, USWest Ladder . The gene pool could use a little chlorine. > That one actual came from killing Shenk with Zan-AR, but trust me, > it's the same one :-( Anyway, the point I was trying to make is that [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > back again) with *no* problems twice now, I have no doubt that she can > handle any part of the game, *except* the stupid error messages :-( Have you sent the error information to the mod author? SignatureElizabeth D. Brooks | kali.magdalene@comcast.net | US2002021724 Listowner: Aberrants_Worldwide, Fading_Suns_Games, TrinityRPG AeonAdventure | "Dobby likes us!" -- Smeagol -- http://www.theonering.net/scrapbook/view/6856 >Have you sent the error information to the mod author? No, because I was getting the *exact* same error message all through the beta. This *doesn't* occur every game, or even usually at the same point in a game (the Diablo runs with Sis-AR are the exception to that) and I often don't actually see it (especially in the beta, before I figured out what was going on, but I've found out that if I alt-tab out of the game as soon as it freezes, I *do* see it). Another example, in a place (*like* Diablo spawning) where there shouldn't be any fog: The first time SisEight-AR took on Duriel in NM, I accidentally took her on at "players 1" (I think I posted about that, it was in the post about having to remake the Staff, and I'd dropped it to "players 1" to make the run for the Staff easier and forgot to put it back to "players 8" before I went down to fight the bug). She beat her with no problems, talked to Tyrael, came back up to town and sold off the drops, and was running over to talk to Jerhyn when the error message popped up :-( Today she started up her turn again, and I was *very* surprised to still find the Staff in her pack (apparently the last save the game made was as she was finishing off cubing the Staff before she went down to the fight). No big deal, she knew the way (and incidentally *all* of her map was there, including the Tyrael part of Duriel's chamber), after the first huge battle just off of the stairs in the true tomb (4 or 5 boss packs all together, I lost count ;-) ) it was smooth sailing to the Orifice. This time Duriel *was* at "players 8", and at first I thought that was a big mistake, as his life ball hadn't moved when I got the crossed arrows symbol (I'd forgotten to replenish my supply before the fight, although I would have *thought* that I still had plenty, but obviously not). Quick trip up to town, bought an extra 4 quivers (all I could hold), and back down to the battle. The Rogue needed a purple before I got everything set up (the only potion used during the entire fight), but then I got it set up so that the Rogue and Sis were firing from far enough away so that the Holy Freeze wasn't hitting them and the million or so Valks and Decoys were taking the damage and keeping the bug away from us. About 2 quivers later the bug was dead, and you'd better believe I high-tailed it over to Jerhyn and back to Meshif and made it to Act 3 before IDing and selling stuff ;-) Signatureald "Knowledge is Power" reply via e-mail to a717 at erols dot com VK`Sister`ald level 47 Rogue (HF V&K) Matriarch Sis-West level 82 Bowazon (US West) Champion RingsNThngs level 61 Bowazon (US West) Slayer ZannEsu-ald level 51 Sorceress (US West) Matriarch Sis-AR level 99 Bowazon (Ancestral Recall Mod) Champion Creepy-AR Level 86 Necromancer (AR) Slayer Zan-AR Level 77 Sorceress (AR) Slayer SisEight-AR Level 75 Hybridazon (AR) Gems-AR Level 54 Barbarian (AR) Champion Sis-otSEye Level 74 Bowazon (ladder, US West, co-op) CotSRSig #16 http://users.erols.com/a717 > - it > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > of the b.net users use, trade, and enjoy things like imp brow, > c-grip, 40/15. Has anybody bothered to ask WHY??? It's because there are so many lazy-a.s kids (and 'kids' can be any age) out there that want the 'glory' without any of the work. u go figure. U like > to beat the odds of 1:1,000,000 for wf?. Blizzard loves your kind. > > It felt like if u mention the word "steak" in a group of vegetarians, > you deserve to be treated harshly with rudeness. That's so WRONG. Yes, it is. But your comparing oranges with rotten apples. Cheating is wrong, and since there is on-line play with this game, it lessens the enjoyment of the game for all the normal folks who want the most game for the buck. SignatureJim -------- "The higher you are, the harder it is to pump." -Cleveland Mayor Jane Cambell, after the big black-out of 2003 > > > ok, what are you going to teach us? > > [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > might change from feeling that you've been harshly dealt with or victimised > to understanding why the 'tude, ok? Very well put. This is a forum devoted to people who love this game. As such, no one should be surprised in the least bit by flames directed as those who would corrupt the world we play in. Mickey >well if you hang around long enough, you'll realise that the overwhelming >amount of people here play the game "legitimately" - I use quotes around [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] >might change from feeling that you've been harshly dealt with or victimised >to understanding why the 'tude, ok? Yeah, but (or HOWEVER, for Mickey) ... ;-) Back in D1 days, this group used to think the same way about PKKs, that they were the same as PKs and thus were the lowest of the low. They used the same hacked items as PKs, so they had to be as bad, right? That was the attitude when a certain Stalker-||AE|| joined the group and started talking about his PKK experiences, and promptly got quite severely flamed for it. He took the flames, and explained himself quite well (Google for PKK in this group and you'll see a few of the discussions), and basically changed the attitude of the group. Now, I don't think that anyone is going to be able to change the attitude of this group toward people who use hacked items in D2 (*unless* they're using them for the same purpose that Stalker was, but that's highly unlikely, with the possible exception of Mickey and his White Ring), but I've always felt bad about the original reception that Stalker got (which, IIRC, I was as much to blame for as anyone else), *especially* since it was *his* Honorable Player's List that we eventually relied upon to know if people played "legit" or not ;-) By the way, for those who don't know, Stalker made several "legit" characters, which he kept completely separate from his PKK characters, which by his own definition were anything *but* "legit". Signatureald "Knowledge is Power" reply via e-mail to a717 at erols dot com VK`Sister`ald level 47 Rogue (HF V&K) Matriarch Sis-West level 82 Bowazon (US West) Champion RingsNThngs level 61 Bowazon (US West) Slayer ZannEsu-ald level 51 Sorceress (US West) Matriarch Sis-AR level 99 Bowazon (Ancestral Recall Mod) Champion Creepy-AR Level 86 Necromancer (AR) Slayer Zan-AR Level 77 Sorceress (AR) Slayer SisEight-AR Level 75 Hybridazon (AR) Gems-AR Level 54 Barbarian (AR) Champion Sis-otSEye Level 74 Bowazon (ladder, US West, co-op) CotSRSig #16 http://users.erols.com/a717 > By the way, for those who don't know, Stalker made several "legit" > characters, which he kept completely separate from his PKK characters, > which by his own definition were anything *but* "legit". I can understand the reaction to PKKing with hacks and dupes, but I have to admit I can't complain too much about the practice. I never really got into Diablo 1 bnet play because of the cesspool it became. SignatureElizabeth D. Brooks | kali.magdalene@comcast.net | US2002021724 Listowner: Aberrants_Worldwide, Fading_Suns_Games, TrinityRPG AeonAdventure | "Dobby likes us!" -- Smeagol -- http://www.theonering.net/scrapbook/view/6856 >I never really got into Diablo 1 bnet play because of the cesspool it >became. Tell me about it ;-) Shortly after I'd joined this group (well, actually, shortly after I'd bought the computer so that I'd stop staying at work until 2 a.m. playing the game, but that's a *different* old and often retold story ;-) ) I decided to check out what this BattleNet that everyone was talking about was. And promptly got PKed about 5 times in less than 15 minutes, the last one being in town IIRC. I left BattleNet, and swore that I would never be back. And I *kept* that promise to myself, until Justus was formed and it became easy to find the people from here that I'd been talking with for the last year-and-a-half or so, at that point. Good thing, because that first night getting to play with Dalai (yeah, the same Dalai Lama that still occasionally posts here) and A.G. Turner is *still* one of my best memories, and got me hooked on MP ;-) Signatureald "Knowledge is Power" reply via e-mail to a717 at erols dot com VK`Sister`ald level 47 Rogue (HF V&K) Matriarch Sis-West level 82 Bowazon (US West) Champion RingsNThngs level 61 Bowazon (US West) Slayer ZannEsu-ald level 51 Sorceress (US West) Matriarch Sis-AR level 99 Bowazon (Ancestral Recall Mod) Champion Creepy-AR Level 86 Necromancer (AR) Slayer Zan-AR Level 77 Sorceress (AR) Slayer SisEight-AR Level 75 Hybridazon (AR) Gems-AR Level 54 Barbarian (AR) Champion Sis-otSEye Level 74 Bowazon (ladder, US West, co-op) CotSRSig #16 http://users.erols.com/a717 > >I never really got into Diablo 1 bnet play because of the cesspool it > >became. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > got PKed about 5 times in less than 15 minutes, the last one being in > town IIRC. I left BattleNet, and swore that I would never be back. The strange thing is, I never had a bad experience. I ran into some really cool people on Diablo battle.net...or people who seemed cool. I just didn't know if I could ever trust anyone who came into my games, and the horror stories got worse. > And I *kept* that promise to myself, until Justus was formed and it > became easy to find the people from here that I'd been talking with > for the last year-and-a-half or so, at that point. Good thing, because > that first night getting to play with Dalai (yeah, the same Dalai Lama > that still occasionally posts here) and A.G. Turner is *still* one of > my best memories, and got me hooked on MP ;-) Yeah, if I'd gone looking for decent groups, things would have turned out differently. SignatureElizabeth D. Brooks | kali.magdalene@comcast.net | US2002021724 Listowner: Aberrants_Worldwide, Fading_Suns_Games, TrinityRPG AeonAdventure | "Dobby likes us!" -- Smeagol -- http://www.theonering.net/scrapbook/view/6856 > >I never really got into Diablo 1 bnet play because of the cesspool it > >became. [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > that still occasionally posts here) and A.G. Turner is *still* one of > my best memories, and got me hooked on MP ;-) There have been some memorable moments in D1. But then again, I have always thought that it was the superior mp game compared to D2. The experience is so much more intense with friendly fire and monsters that are way faster than you. Regards Romendacil >There have been some memorable moments in D1. But then again, I have always >thought that it was the superior mp game compared to D2. The experience is >so much more intense with friendly fire and monsters that are way faster >than you. > >Regards Romendacil Yeah, another of my more memorable moments came in a game with the same participants, IIRC, and Ken Noone's Sorc. Both his computer *and* mine said I was behind him when he fired off that (Chain?) Lightning spell, but what we had seen didn't matter, I was still just as dead ;-) And as far as monsters being faster than you, the solution to that one that I relied on was to play "Stealth". <shameless plug> If you want to read about my experiences with that, check the URL in my sig, I'm pretty sure the last entry under Early Adventures is still "A Stealthy Laz Run, or Why I Love a Stealth Rogue" ;-) Signatureald "Knowledge is Power" reply via e-mail to a717 at erols dot com VK`Sister`ald level 47 Rogue (HF V&K) Matriarch Sis-West level 82 Bowazon (US West) Champion RingsNThngs level 61 Bowazon (US West) Slayer ZannEsu-ald level 51 Sorceress (US West) Matriarch Sis-AR level 99 Bowazon (Ancestral Recall Mod) Champion Creepy-AR Level 86 Necromancer (AR) Slayer Zan-AR Level 77 Sorceress (AR) Slayer SisEight-AR Level 75 Hybridazon (AR) Gems-AR Level 54 Barbarian (AR) Champion Sis-otSEye Level 74 Bowazon (ladder, US West, co-op) CotSRSig #16 http://users.erols.com/a717 > >There have been some memorable moments in D1. But then again, I have always > >thought that it was the superior mp game compared to D2. The experience is [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > spell, but what we had seen didn't matter, I was still just as dead > ;-) Long live Bnet. Already then it had its technical troubles :) > And as far as monsters being faster than you, the solution to that one > that I relied on was to play "Stealth". <shameless plug> If you want > to read about my experiences with that, check the URL in my sig, I'm > pretty sure the last entry under Early Adventures is still "A Stealthy > Laz Run, or Why I Love a Stealth Rogue" ;-) Playing with zero light radius? I always thought it made you feel something like a burglar or something. But it was one of the few relatively safe ways of navigating the lower levels of hell. Regards Romendacil >Playing with zero light radius? I always thought it made you feel something >like a burglar or something. -80, actually, but same idea ;-) >But it was one of the few relatively safe ways of navigating the lower >levels of hell. > >Regards Romendacil Yeah, but it made item recovery runs a *whole* different ball game ;-) Signatureald "Knowledge is Power" reply via e-mail to a717 at erols dot com VK`Sister`ald level 47 Rogue (HF V&K) Matriarch Sis-West level 82 Bowazon (US West) Champion RingsNThngs level 61 Bowazon (US West) Slayer ZannEsu-ald level 51 Sorceress (US West) Matriarch Sis-AR level 99 Bowazon (Ancestral Recall Mod) Champion Creepy-AR Level 87 Necromancer (AR) Slayer Zan-AR Level 77 Sorceress (AR) Slayer SisEight-AR Level 75 Hybridazon (AR) Gems-AR Level 54 Barbarian (AR) Champion Sis-otSEye Level 74 Bowazon (ladder, US West, co-op) CotSRSig #16 http://users.erols.com/a717 > Yeah, another of my more memorable moments came in a game with the > same participants, IIRC, and Ken Noone's Sorc. Both his computer *and* > mine said I was behind him when he fired off that (Chain?) Lightning > spell, but what we had seen didn't matter, I was still just as dead > ;-) Ouch. Oh, yes, multiplayer D1 "corpse recovery." Yay. > And as far as monsters being faster than you, the solution to that one > that I relied on was to play "Stealth". <shameless plug> If you want > to read about my experiences with that, check the URL in my sig, I'm > pretty sure the last entry under Early Adventures is still "A Stealthy > Laz Run, or Why I Love a Stealth Rogue" ;-) I'll take a look. SignatureElizabeth D. Brooks | kali.magdalene@comcast.net | US2002021724 Listowner: Aberrants_Worldwide, Fading_Suns_Games, TrinityRPG AeonAdventure | "Dobby likes us!" -- Smeagol -- http://www.theonering.net/scrapbook/view/6856 > >well if you hang around long enough, you'll realise that the overwhelming > >amount of people here play the game "legitimately" - I use quotes around [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] > characters, which he kept completely separate from his PKK characters, > which by his own definition were anything *but* "legit". Very nice piece of background information. Most of us here where not around in those days, though I seem to remember some of the discussion from the DSF way back then. Thanks for sharing this old story with the rest of us. Regards Romendacil > Have u ever seen a botd colossus blade which deals 750+ dmg?? Yes, I have. And my paladin has killed a few barbs wielding them, so what? > assume it's legit, alright? Why? > and u know the odds to get zod from drop is like > 1:200000+. then what's wrong with 40-15 wf?? Nobody said those barbs using dupes were any better, dimwit. > yes you use all legit items, assume u r not lying, and u never trade, > 'cause if u ever trade, u can't garanty anything is legit, even the > UNIDs. but that doesn't mean u r any smarter than other players. Yes, but we can 100% guarantee that HACKED items like occy rings are not legit. A 40/15 WF is likely duped, but it can still be legit, the chances are just slim. An occy ring or white rings CANNOT be legit, there is a 100% chance they are hacked. Don't be a tool. > > > When they deleted occy rings, my lvl 97 sorc is totally useless now. > > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > I'm very dispointed in this group :-( I bet you can't see the sad irony of your statement. > > I'm very dispointed in this group :-( > > I bet you can't see the sad irony of your statement. You beat me to it. :) SignatureElizabeth D. Brooks | kali.magdalene@comcast.net | US2002021724 Listowner: Aberrants_Worldwide, Fading_Suns_Games, TrinityRPG AeonAdventure | "Dobby likes us!" -- Smeagol -- http://www.theonering.net/scrapbook/view/6856 > > > When they deleted occy rings, my lvl 97 sorc is totally useless now. > > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > I'm very dispointed in this group :-( Irony, thy name is usenet. SignatureElizabeth D. Brooks | kali.magdalene@comcast.net | US2002021724 Listowner: Aberrants_Worldwide, Fading_Suns_Games, TrinityRPG AeonAdventure | "Dobby likes us!" -- Smeagol -- http://www.theonering.net/scrapbook/view/6856 >>>When they deleted occy rings, my lvl 97 sorc is totally useless now. >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > I'm very dispointed in this group :-( ^(sp) ...and we're very disappointed someone like you found this group and decided to "grace us with your presence". SignatureJim -------- "The higher you are, the harder it is to pump." -Cleveland Mayor Jane Cambell, after the big black-out of 2003 go_d2 <go_d2@yahoo.com> stared blankly into space for a short while before writing: > When they deleted occy rings, my lvl 97 sorc is totally useless now. Good grief. This is a troll, right? -- Doc > go_d2 <go_d2@yahoo.com> stared blankly into space for a short while > before writing: > > > When they deleted occy rings, my lvl 97 sorc is totally useless now. > > Good grief. This is a troll, right? I hope not. Take a look at the structure of it's sentence; if it's a troll their standards have dropped to an all time low and they're accepting anyone. >Hi all, < /s on> >What do you think will happen to 290s, 40-15, and 3/20/20s and imp >brows and c-grips?? Will blizzard someday suddenly go crazy and delete >all those?? I hope not. There was a link to new info on the Arreat Summit (since taken down, as the update is delayed) where they were hinting at allowing people to cube up the 290's. Put three of them in your cube with a Ber, a Jah and a 40-15 jewel and you'd get either a 60-30 jewel or a 500 pdsc. I think they are holding out on that to see if players can handle 1.10 without them. >When they deleted occy rings, my lvl 97 sorc is totally useless now. Mine too, she can handle normal mode Rakanishu, but that's about it now. If you see me online, I can hook you up with a Dreamflange amulet though. >When they deleted bstrings and wis rings, my lvl 75 zon can't take a >hit. You need to get some Stormstriders- though its easy for other player to tell you are using them because Blaze kicks in the first time you get hit and doesn't turn off until you leave the game or go to town. >Now 290s are currencies of d2 lod 1.1 and it's great that they are >very useful to carry around. U don't carry 8 sojs when u do baal runs. I prefer to carry 4 or 5 Maras and a couple Wisps. I won't be bothered trading for stuff so paltry that it can be had for Sojs. >It's going to make every class useless if 290s are deleted. barbs, >pallies, zons, assins, durids, can't do anything without 290s because >even hell act5 champions have dual immunes. Rword should be ready for the ladder soon, and being able to put a runeword on any equippable item (except belts) should make up for Blizzard's petty anti-cheats. >40-15 is totally cool, but we know blizzard hates all cool things. They're just crunchy old, can't remember when it was a game not a job. >Do u think blizzard will delete them?? Do they ever post a notice or >warning before they start to delete cool things??? Yeah, usually a day or two heads up, so you can pawn the stuff off to noobs. They don't want aggro from the serious players. It's when the boosted items get shoved in the noobs faces and they realize how much they are missing out on, that Bliz gets embarassed and has to do something. You have to understand they can't let everybody have the goods. >Thanks all, for the love of d2 lod 1.1 Peace out! >go_d2 <sarcasm off> -- > Hi all, > [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > go_d2 Gotta quote that completely... Hahahahahah LOL. Thanks for a good laugh. :o) I no D00D! Bliz iz lame-o! my butt naked bare handed barb cant solo 8 player kow games in hell Nymore! i had to by armer for him butt i cudnt trade for a shaft becaus all my occys were gon! I cant even play d2 much now becaus i have to work extra late at pizza hut to save up and buy maphack butt i keep spending it! :-O >Hi all, > [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > >go_d2 Signaturea.k.a. naugahide >What do you think will happen to 290s, 40-15, and 3/20/20s and imp >brows and c-grips?? Will blizzard someday suddenly go crazy and delete >all those?? I hope not. > >When they deleted occy rings, my lvl 97 sorc is totally useless now. Tell you what: tell me your account name and password and I'll test her for you. I'm betting she's not the one who's useless. >When they deleted bstrings and wis rings, my lvl 75 zon can't take a >hit. But there have been Guardian zons on the _HC_ ladder lower than that.... >Now 290s are currencies of d2 lod 1.1 and it's great that they are >very useful to carry around. U don't carry 8 sojs when u do baal runs. > >It's going to make every class useless if 290s are deleted. barbs, >pallies, zons, assins, durids, can't do anything without 290s because >even hell act5 champions have dual immunes. And you'd have to actually know something about the game to kill them! How unfair is that? -- Roy L >Hi all, > [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > >go_d2 It's amazing anyone can lvl at all on the ladder then I guess. In a world free of all the hacked/duped items people seem to be doing just fine. > >Hi all, > > [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > world free of all the hacked/duped items people seem to be doing just > fine. Those are people who know how to play. Then again, there are some of us who have charms like that which didn't get deleted.... I wonder why.... Oh yeah, that's right, their LEGIT!!!!! Mickey > > It's amazing anyone can lvl at all on the ladder then I guess. In a > > world free of all the hacked/duped items people seem to be doing just > > fine. Except it's no longer free of hacks and dupes. > Those are people who know how to play. Then again, there are some of > us who have charms like that which didn't get deleted.... I wonder > why.... Oh yeah, that's right, their LEGIT!!!!! Firstly, it's "they're". Secondly, I wouldn't exactly call dupes "legit". Copies of legitimate items were, for the most part, untouched by the patch. So, remaining in posession of such items does not automatically mean they or the player are "legit". Tresa Tresa <tresa@metalminded.com> stared blankly into space for a short while before writing: >>> It's amazing anyone can lvl at all on the ladder then I guess. In >>> a [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > in posession of such items does not automatically mean they or the > player are "legit". Firstly, no-one gives a sh.t about typo's. Secondly, IIRC Mickey *found* at least one of the charms, and the rest were rolled. So, they certainly *are* legitimate. -- Doc > Firstly, no-one gives a sh.t about typo's. > > Secondly, IIRC Mickey *found* at least one of the charms, and the rest > were rolled. So, they certainly *are* legitimate. Firstly, some people apparently do. Secondly, some people don't necessarily believe Mickey's claims. I know *I* am skeptical about "the bow" if Simon was correct. Mainly cause if Simon was correct, "the bow" just happens to match(exactly) the duped bow sold on every D2 item site around. Not to mention that I've seen a lot of information stating that a weapon can't legitly roll both perfect 300 ED and perfect 63 max damage due to a glitch. Thirdly, she never even said *Mickey's* where dupes, just that not using hacks doesn't make someone legit by default. But what a shock, anytime someone dares to even maybe imply that Mickey isn't a perfect God amongst men, you're right there to tell them otherwise. Do you get PAID for this, or what? > -- > Doc > > Firstly, no-one gives a sh.t about typo's. > > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > information stating that a weapon can't legitly roll both perfect 300 ED and > perfect 63 max damage due to a glitch. Well, this is partly easy to resolve: On what realm is the bow duped? On what realm does Mickey have this bow? If they're different, that should go some distance to allaying suspicions. That is, if it even matters. Since Mickey apparently does spend a lot of time getting magic items, what does he have to gain by lying about that bow? More to the point, what does he gain about lying about it, and referring to a duped bow? It strikes me as fairly easy to catch - as far as lies go - and Mickey strikes me as intelligent enough to know that such things would stand out. Mind you, I'm not speaking as someone who has always agreed with what Mickey has posted in the past (during previous lurking/posting periods), but I don't see anything that indicates he's claiming to have generated dupes. > Thirdly, she never even said *Mickey's* where dupes, just that not using > hacks doesn't make someone legit by default. But what a shock, anytime > someone dares to even maybe imply that Mickey isn't a perfect God amongst > men, you're right there to tell them otherwise. Do you get PAID for this, or > what? Of course, insinuating that Mickey is passing off a dupe as a legitimate item is not simply "implying that Mickey isn't a perfect god amongst men." Insinuating that about anyone isn't that. It's insulting, for one thing. SignatureElizabeth D. Brooks | kali.magdalene@comcast.net | US2002021724 Listowner: Aberrants_Worldwide, Fading_Suns_Games, TrinityRPG AeonAdventure | "Dobby likes us!" -- Smeagol -- http://www.theonering.net/scrapbook/view/6856 >> Well, this is partly easy to resolve: On what realm is the bow duped? West. Possibly east as well, but definitely on west. > On what realm does Mickey have this bow? West. > Since Mickey apparently does spend a lot of time getting magic items, > what does he have to gain by lying about that bow? Simple. He likes to sound impressive. He constantly refers to his hordes of level 99's. He constantly points out how much "uber" gear he has found. He repeatedly brags about how tough his Sazabi set wearing merc is. He almost goes out of his way to show how godly his characters and gear is. He brags about how much money he has, about his job, about basically everything he can. All of which is his perogative, mind you. However, all that becomes a lot less impressive if the gear he has is duped/bought online, rather than found himself. I'm not saying it is, but I certainly do have my doubts. Which sounds more impressive to you-finding 5 Windforces, or going to D2items.com(or Ebay, or whatever) and buying 5 Windforces? And who would you have more respect for, the player who found 5 godly items, or the player who shelled out $50 and bought 5 godly items? > More to the point, what does he gain about lying about it, Respect, and an ego boost. Finding all that gear is quite an accomplishment, and is something many people will respect. But most people around here wouldn't have nearly as much respect for someone if that person was using duped/hacked/bought items, rather than items they took the time and effort to find themselves. > and referring to a duped bow? It strikes me as fairly easy to catch - as far as lies go - and Mickey > strikes me as intelligent enough to know that such things would stand > out. Mickey was caught using a white ring, and first denied using it, then changed his story and admitted he was using it, but only to fight a hack using PK. And then, he "forgot" to take it off once he joined another game. And I could mention the time he bragged in a cow run about how the cow he just killed dropped an Ohm...despite the fact that another person stepped onto the screen just as he did, and there were no dead cows anywhere, nothing at all on the ground(not a gold pile, not quiver of arrows, nothing), just Mickey and an empty field. > Mind you, I'm not speaking as someone who has always agreed with what > Mickey has posted in the past (during previous lurking/posting periods), > but I don't see anything that indicates he's claiming to have generated > dupes. No, he bragged about his bow that he rerolled with gems. According to Simon, the bow is a perfect 300 ED/63 max mat. bow. Which is coincedentally, the exact same bow that was sold by d2items and every other D2 item store online. And if what I heard is true, due to a bug/glitch, NO item could legitly roll a double perfect ED and max(according to several sources, you could get 299/63 or 300/62, but the only way to get a 300/63 was with hacks), then, well, that right there would pretty much seal it. BUT, I am also waiting to hear what Mickey has to say, in order to confirm or deny what Simon remembered, AND I would like someone to prove the "no perfect ED/max damage mods on 1 item" story if possible. That would at least partially convince me. > Of course, insinuating that Mickey is passing off a dupe as a legitimate > item is not simply "implying that Mickey isn't a perfect god amongst > men." Perhaps. Unfortunately, in Doc's case, you could say that Mickey didn't sh.t gold and apples and he'd be on your a.s about it. > Simple. He likes to sound impressive. He constantly refers to his hordes of > level 99's. Well, sure. I mean, he spent a lot of time getting them there. So what? > He constantly points out how much "uber" gear he has found. Given how much good gear (not uber, but hey) I've found up to level 41, it seems plausible that he'd have it. I've also seen him offer other players on this newsgroup some of said gear to improve their characters. > He > repeatedly brags about how tough his Sazabi set wearing merc is. Lots of people brag about their mercs. I used to brag about my Jarulf iron wolf, but then *everyone* got one and it was declasse. > He almost > goes out of his way to show how godly his characters and gear is. Again, so what? > He brags > about how much money he has, about his job, about basically everything he > can. Yes, I've seen him talk about his competence as a programmer. So what? > All of which is his perogative, mind you. However, all that becomes a > lot less impressive if the gear he has is duped/bought online, rather than > found himself. Of course it is. So, it's easy to say "it could be a dupe and he'd refuse to admit it." But it's also easy to see why people who don't like him would leap to the conclusion that he's using more duped gear than he'd care to admit. > I'm not saying it is, but I certainly do have my doubts. > Which sounds more impressive to you-finding 5 Windforces, or going to > D2items.com(or Ebay, or whatever) and buying 5 Windforces? And who would you > have more respect for, the player who found 5 godly items, or the player who > shelled out $50 and bought 5 godly items? Honestly? I don't think my respect would really be affected either way. They're objects in a game. If the game is important enough to someone to spend $50 on five Windforces, I might consider that their priorities are a bit whacked, but it's their prerogative. I'm more impressed by civilized behavior in games. > > More to the point, what does he gain about lying about it, > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > duped/hacked/bought items, rather than items they took the time and effort > to find themselves. Yes, of course, which is also a reason (as I point out above)someone might want to call his veracity into question. Not because it's true, but because if it's *believed* or even if sufficient doubt is introduced, it tarnishes his reputation. > > and referring to a duped bow? It strikes me as fairly easy to catch - as > far as lies go - and Mickey [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > changed his story and admitted he was using it, but only to fight a hack > using PK. And then, he "forgot" to take it off once he joined another game. That's entirely possible. I've seen people do things like that before outside Diablo. > And I could mention the time he bragged in a cow run about how the cow he > just killed dropped an Ohm...despite the fact that another person stepped > onto the screen just as he did, and there were no dead cows anywhere, > nothing at all on the ground(not a gold pile, not quiver of arrows, > nothing), just Mickey and an empty field. And who was the other person? > > Mind you, I'm not speaking as someone who has always agreed with what > > Mickey has posted in the past (during previous lurking/posting periods), [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > ED/max damage mods on 1 item" story if possible. That would at least > partially convince me. You could ask around on the Lurker Lounge technical forum. > > Of course, insinuating that Mickey is passing off a dupe as a legitimate > > item is not simply "implying that Mickey isn't a perfect god amongst > > men." > > Perhaps. Unfortunately, in Doc's case, you could say that Mickey didn't sh.t > gold and apples and he'd be on your a.s about it. So, is this more about Doc defending Mickey? Fundamentally, long-term grudges getting dragged out again and again aren't particularly interesting. SignatureElizabeth D. Brooks | kali.magdalene@comcast.net | US2002021724 Listowner: Aberrants_Worldwide, Fading_Suns_Games, TrinityRPG AeonAdventure | "Dobby likes us!" -- Smeagol -- http://www.theonering.net/scrapbook/view/6856 Julie d'Aubigny <kali.magdalene@comcast.net> stared blankly into space for a short while before writing: > Lots of people brag about their mercs. I used to brag about my > Jarulf > iron wolf, but then *everyone* got one and it was declasse. I hereby declare Julie winner of "Word of the week" for using a word of such elegance that I myself rarely use it. Actually, I've never used it. I had to look it up. :) Your prize pack is on it's way... -- Doc > Julie d'Aubigny <kali.magdalene@comcast.net> stared blankly into > space for a short while before writing: [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Your prize pack is on it's way... Ah, thanks. Just wait until I have reason to use truly esoteric words. :) SignatureElizabeth D. Brooks | kali.magdalene@comcast.net | US2002021724 Listowner: Aberrants_Worldwide, Fading_Suns_Games, TrinityRPG AeonAdventure | "Dobby likes us!" -- Smeagol -- http://www.theonering.net/scrapbook/view/6856 > Julie d'Aubigny <kali.magdalene@comcast.net> stared blankly into > space for a short while before writing: [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Your prize pack is on it's way... Doc, "brag" means to boast, it's not an uncommon word at all. ;-) > Doc, > > "brag" means to boast, it's not an uncommon word at all. You are teh funny. :) SignatureElizabeth D. Brooks | kali.magdalene@comcast.net | US2002021724 Listowner: Aberrants_Worldwide, Fading_Suns_Games, TrinityRPG AeonAdventure | "Dobby likes us!" -- Smeagol -- http://www.theonering.net/scrapbook/view/6856 tcells <tcells1@yahoo.com> stared blankly into space for a short while before writing: >> Julie d'Aubigny <kali.magdalene@comcast.net> stared blankly into >> space for a short while before writing: [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > ;-) Goodonya -- Doc Julie d'Aubigny <kali.magdalene@comcast.net> stared blankly into space for a short while before writing: > So, is this more about Doc defending Mickey? Funny thing is, I'm not actually one of Mickey's friends, as such. I have chatted with him online maybe 2 or 3 times, and played in perhaps half a dozen of his cow runs, and that's about it. So, why do I defend him? I really not sure. I think that I would jump in and defend *anyone* when a) I liked, or at the very least, didn't dislike the person and b) People were telling what I perceive to be complete BS about them And then on other occasions I have been tempted to jump in, only to think "They can look after themselves". Which is funny, 'cause I *know* Mickey can look after himself :) Anyway, sorry to boor you with this. Cheers SignatureDoc > Well, sure. I mean, he spent a lot of time getting them there. So what? So what? You asked for a reason. The reason is that he's a braggart. He likes to brag and boast about everything he has and everything he's done. He likes showing his godly gear. This is common on B.net, lots of people using hacks and dupes and Ebayed items bragging about everthing they have. > Given how much good gear (not uber, but hey) I've found up to level 41, > it seems plausible that he'd have it. Perhaps, perhaps not. > I've also seen him offer other players on this newsgroup some of said gear to improve their characters. Some yes, but I don't recall seeing him offer up his "5 Windforces" or his super bow, or other true top end elites(I'm not referring to things like Gaze, Buriza, Shaft, etc, cause while they are good items and are somewhat rare, they are still not nearly as hard to get as stuff like WF, Valor, etc). > Lots of people brag about their mercs. I used to brag about my Jarulf > iron wolf, but then *everyone* got one and it was declasse. Yes, but hey don't also brag about every single other thing in the lives, generally. And they don't go out of their way to post the merc's gear normally, either. > Again, so what? Again, it shows his personality. He's boastful and a braggart, and at least some people question just how much he really has to brag about. > Yes, I've seen him talk about his competence as a programmer. So what? Again, how does his competence as a programmer(there are people who doubt that story too, BTW) have ANYTHING to do with this group? He likes to brag, he likes to sound superior. > Of course it is. So, it's easy to say "it could be a dupe and he'd > refuse to admit it." But it's also easy to see why people who don't like > him would leap to the conclusion that he's using more duped gear than > he'd care to admit. > Honestly? I don't think my respect would really be affected either way. > They're objects in a game. Okay, perhaps not yours, but try telling that to most people here who will jump all over anyone who admits they use duped(or hacked) items. > Yes, of course, which is also a reason (as I point out above)someone > might want to call his veracity into question. Not because it's true, > but because if it's *believed* or even if sufficient doubt is > introduced, it tarnishes his reputation. Except how does that benefit anyone? > That's entirely possible. I've seen people do things like that before outside Diablo. In a previous thread, Mickey had said there is NEVER a reason to use hacked items and that he woul |
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