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Unusable horadric staff (hell difficulty)

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Stephen van Ham - 27 Nov 2003 09:42 GMT
Anyone want to fill me in on how a horadric staff collected in hell
difficulty is unusable IN hell difficulty?

One thing I should note here... since assembling the staff in question
a couple of weeks ago (what can I say, sometimes I do quests in fits
and starts), it has been sitting in my stash while I gathered the
motivation to make the trek through tal rasha's tomb.   With Lightning
Fury costing about 22 mana per throw, and with only about 150 mana
total (I need to find some bahamut's rings for this girl ASAP), even
the most mundane of creature clots takes an *entire* belt of mana
potions to destroy (granted, half the inhabitants of the tomb seemed
to be champions and masters to doorway desync).   Needless to say, the
trip through the tomb was long and challenging on my patience (about
45 minutes of throw, return to town, throw, return to town...).   And
living up to my reputation of being a Carl of no mean stature, I found
the bug hole in the very last place I looked (did I even need to
mention that?)

In the following days since the hell staff was assembled, I have been
into a number of normal and nightmare difficulty games, for muling and
magic finding purposes.   The staff has been sitting in her stash in
the whole time.   It has not been moved around in her inventory, nor
has it been dropped to the ground.   Attempts to now use said hell
staff at the hell orifice result in my zon regretfully informing me,
'I can't' and 'Impossible'.  And yes, I have completed every quest
along the way (the Summoner was a somewhat surprising pushover).

Wait, let me guess... those forays into lower difficulty games have
made Blizzard's state of the arc rush detection kick in and label me a
cheese monkey.   Is this what has happened?   Surely they couldn't be
that stupid.   I really really don't have any inclination to make
another trip through the maggot lair and viper temple to assemble a
new staff, to find out for sure.

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Julie d'Aubigny - 27 Nov 2003 10:18 GMT
> Wait, let me guess... those forays into lower difficulty games have
> made Blizzard's state of the arc rush detection kick in and label me a
> cheese monkey.   Is this what has happened?   Surely they couldn't be
> that stupid.   I really really don't have any inclination to make
> another trip through the maggot lair and viper temple to assemble a
> new staff, to find out for sure.

From other, similar, anecdotes, this seems to exactly be the case.

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Alan Ladd - 27 Nov 2003 17:10 GMT
>Anyone want to fill me in on how a horadric staff collected in hell
>difficulty is unusable IN hell difficulty?
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>another trip through the maggot lair and viper temple to assemble a
>new staff, to find out for sure.

Yes that is exactly what happened. I've had the same thing happen to
me. Took me so many public games just to assemble the damned staff and
in an instant it turned useless. Oh well... I just muled it over and
my next new char used it in norm with no problems.

Alan
tcells - 27 Nov 2003 22:17 GMT
> Anyone want to fill me in on how a horadric staff collected in hell
> difficulty is unusable IN hell difficulty?

we've had threads on this,  Bad SvH ;)

There are three reasons why the staff won't work

1. there is no carl in the staff
2. there is no carl in the player
3. the player took the staff to other levels
Stephen van Ham - 27 Nov 2003 22:55 GMT
Yo dawg, on Fri, 28 Nov 2003 09:17:26 +1100, "tcells"
<tcells1@yahoo.com> came 'round looking for action.   Check it:

>we've had threads on this,  Bad SvH ;)

I guess my kill filters have been working a little too well.  

>There are three reasons why the staff won't work

>1. there is no carl in the staff

That's between Carl and his staff, thanks.

>2. there is no carl in the player

Hmmmm, if there was no Carl in the player, I would have finished the
quest, finished the following three acts, and then power leveled to
95.

>3. the player took the staff to other levels

Okay.   Thanks all.   I was wondering there if there was meant to be a
little 'Expires in 10 days' message in the information box for the
staff, but blizz forgot to include it in all the rush to complete and
'QA' the patch.  

Does this mean the staff my throw barb has collected in nightmare is
also going to be unusable, since he's been into a muling game since?

Hopefully they'll correct this sort of nonsense for beta 4.

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Orchid - 28 Nov 2003 05:54 GMT
> Yo dawg, on Fri, 28 Nov 2003 09:17:26 +1100, "tcells"
> <tcells1@yahoo.com> came 'round looking for action.   Check it:
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
> quest, finished the following three acts, and then power leveled to
> 95.

Yes, yes, yes! Look, he's got it! He knows what the antithesis of Carl
is!

> >3. the player took the staff to other levels
>
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> Does this mean the staff my throw barb has collected in nightmare is
> also going to be unusable, since he's been into a muling game since?

Foo, Tito and I all have characters who just collected the staff (in
Hell) but have not yet gotten the headpiece. If you want to wait a bit,
we can all get together for Duriel this weekend at some point and do
Duriel together so that you won't have to retrieve the parts again.

Shari (Orchid)
Julie d'Aubigny - 28 Nov 2003 05:59 GMT
> Yes, yes, yes! Look, he's got it! He knows what the antithesis of Carl
> is!

To be sure, I'm getting to like Carl.

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Angus Davidson - 28 Nov 2003 06:39 GMT
> Foo, Tito and I all have characters who just collected the staff (in
> Hell) but have not yet gotten the headpiece. If you want to wait a bit,
> we can all get together for Duriel this weekend at some point and do
> Duriel together so that you won't have to retrieve the parts again.
>
> Shari (Orchid)
I am at that lvl as well. Just need to get the ammy. Look me up if I am
on at the same time

regards

Angus
Orchid - 28 Nov 2003 08:43 GMT
> > Foo, Tito and I all have characters who just collected the staff (in
> > Hell) but have not yet gotten the headpiece. If you want to wait a bit,
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> I am at that lvl as well. Just need to get the ammy. Look me up if I am
> on at the same time

Will do. :-)

Shari (Orchid)
Craig - 28 Nov 2003 11:00 GMT
> > Shari (Orchid)
> I am at that lvl as well. Just need to get the ammy. Look me up if I am
> on at the same time

looks like I might have to join this little group too, since my painfully
detailed assembly was followed my some item dumping in normal :(

Craig
Julie d'Aubigny - 27 Nov 2003 23:08 GMT
> There are three reasons why the staff won't work
>
> 1. there is no carl in the staff
> 2. there is no carl in the player
> 3. the player took the staff to other levels

Okay, I've seen this a few times: What does "carl" mean in this context?

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tcells - 28 Nov 2003 00:27 GMT
> > There are three reasons why the staff won't work
> >
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> Okay, I've seen this a few times: What does "carl" mean in this context?

to explain would be to forfeit your chance to inner carl.

basically the carl is actually an insidious evolutional twist of barrel
hugging.
Julie d'Aubigny - 28 Nov 2003 01:17 GMT
> to explain would be to forfeit your chance to inner carl.
>
> basically the carl is actually an insidious evolutional twist of barrel
> hugging.

I grok.

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B.B. - 28 Nov 2003 00:12 GMT
>Surely they couldn't be
>that stupid.

  Ha!

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Orchid - 28 Nov 2003 05:54 GMT
> >Surely they couldn't be
> >that stupid.
>
>    Ha!

Yay! B.B. posted again! How are you feeling, B.B.?

Shari (Orchid)
B.B. - 28 Nov 2003 17:05 GMT
>> >Surely they couldn't be
>> >that stupid.
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
>Shari (Orchid)

  I have missed two weeks of work, unpaid, and been bored out of my
mind.  But at least my eyesight is coming back.  I still have to use
"magnify" all the time in order to read off the computer screen, but
that's because it's uncomfortable to have my face five inches from the
screen.  I can read books if I hold 'em right against my face, but I
start to get eye strain after a little while of that.  OTOH, I'm no
longer overly sensitive to light, and the infection has passed.  I'm
just waiting now for my eyes to heal up and become clear again.  The
left one is about 1/3 as bad as the right one, so I do more of my
reading/seeing with that one.  My right eye is  pretty much useless for
anything other that determining movement.
  The potential girlfriend and I have postponed the date until I can
drive again.  But during my blindness we've spent a lot of time
together, so life is good.  (:
  I roadmed around a bit in D2 last night, but I'm still a little blind
for that.

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short - 28 Nov 2003 18:07 GMT
> >> >Surely they couldn't be
> >> >that stupid.
[quoted text clipped - 21 lines]
>    I roadmed around a bit in D2 last night, but I'm still a little blind
> for that.

Hey, glad to see you back!

Oh, and I know what you're going through with that eye infection, the same
thing happened to me.  I Wore my contacts for about 2 weeks too long, and
just about blinded myself.

Good luck!

short
EvilBill - 28 Nov 2003 20:13 GMT
>> Yay! B.B. posted again! How are you feeling, B.B.?
>>
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> I do more of my reading/seeing with that one.  My right eye is
> pretty much useless for anything other that determining movement.

Well fingers crossed for a speedy recovery so you can exercise your
inner Carl on Battle.nuts again <g>

>    The potential girlfriend and I have postponed the date until I
> can drive again.  But during my blindness we've spent a lot of time
> together, so life is good.  (:

Nice to hear. :) Good luck with her. Invite us to the wedding! <g>

>    I roadmed around a bit in D2 last night, but I'm still a little
> blind for that.

People may be seeing me back on the Realms again soon, I'm getting
ADSL hooked up within the next 2 weeks. :)

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A Mackenzie - 29 Nov 2003 18:22 GMT
When& where did u assemble the staff !!!!!

> Anyone want to fill me in on how a horadric staff collected in hell
> difficulty is unusable IN hell difficulty?
[quoted text clipped - 29 lines]
> another trip through the maggot lair and viper temple to assemble a
> new staff, to find out for sure.
 
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