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Game Forum / Role Playing Games / Diablo / April 2006Question About Hell Duriel
This concerns the hardcore kamikazees These are the characters that are ready to face off with the big slug. SamKinison - Level 74 Screamer Barb - has some CB gear BeeHiveShythed - Level 77Static/Chain Lite Sorc JrMIssShythed - Level 77 Blizz/Spike Sorc JrJackShythed - Level 75 Fanat/Zeal/Smiter Pally TwoGunShythed - Level 74DoubleThrow Barb - has one Gimmer It is not necessary that all 5 chaarcters battle Duriel. Given the number of non-combatants I am trying to get into act 3, I could probably get away with battling him a mere 4 times. Question: Which one of the above characters is the most useless against the slug? Keep in mind this is hardcore. My initial guess is that the Cold Sorc would have the toughest time. Her merc has an Insight and no CB gear. If I recall my softcore battles with Hell Duriel and my cold sorc it was a long battle. I would have to sleaze the weakest link into act 3. The Lite Sorc can static duriel from across the room, but the battle might be tough after that. After the static her lite dmg is 2 - 1800 but that is only going to be one bolt per attack given Duriel is alone, correct? Maybe I could static Duriel with BeeHive and TP to town and then send in the Col sorc to battle a 1/2 life Duriel. Maybe that would work. TheKamikazees will also have one battle with Duriel and have Bongo's trapper there. I figure the barbsand the pally can handle Duriel on their own, especially after a quick 1-2-3 static from the lite sorc. Maybe the lite sorc could team up with the trapper. Qick 1-2-3 to 1/2 life and the mercs tank and the rest of his life gets wiped out by Kilowatts to the max from both of us. Decisions. Kamikazees live forever or die trying! Orion > This concerns the hardcore kamikazees > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > Question: Which one of the above characters is the most useless against > the slug? Keep in mind this is hardcore. Double throw barb. Mickey > This concerns the hardcore kamikazees > [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] > > Orion I'm thinking they'll all have a tough time. :-( Duriel is a level 88 monster, resists all 75% (cold 95%, "magic" 33%), has 50% blocking, and a bunch of hit points. Combined with the fast regeneration in hell, it's likely to be slow going solo. Without a shield, the double throw barb is going to be in serious trouble from the charge attack. I'd expect him to be the weakest, followed by the cold sorc. The paladin is probably potentially your strongest, depending on gear setups on the characters, but they could all use some leveling, in my opinion. But then, I'm super conservative, I almost never even enter hell difficulty until my characters are at LEAST level 75. Can you call for help from someone who still has an un-expired summoner? Generally, they can smash Duriel in their sleep! :-) Ruben >> This concerns the hardcore kamikazees >> [quoted text clipped - 57 lines] > Can you call for help from someone who still has an un-expired summoner? > Generally, they can smash Duriel in their sleep! :-) With smite I think the pally can take him fairly easily, assuming we are at max FPS. Mickey >> This concerns the hardcore kamikazees >> [quoted text clipped - 56 lines] > Can you call for help from someone who still has an un-expired > summoner? Generally, they can smash Duriel in their sleep! :-) I gave Orion my Guardian Summoner, still fully equiped with Leoric's/Homo/Shako/Skulder's etc. He could cheese them all through.  Signature~Shaun~ Hey! What are you trying to say mate? Hmm, sounds like a great idea. But nah, I'd only consider that if they were getting their a.ses handed to them. Besides, if Bongo and I make to act 5, I might have to consider that guy for running D keys should we feel like kamikazeeing it all tthe way to UT. OMG WTF AM I SAYING??!!! Do I sense the urge in Misfit to paly ChllKil in HC kamikazee UT? Perhaps I'll ahve to level that sucker sometime in the future. The good thing about NL is you have forever, well in theory you do.. OH! OH! OH! Orion > Hey! What are you trying to say mate? > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > Orion Heh, don't get me started in HC again!!! I wouldn't go near UT with a HC pally without Drac's, not in a million years. (Ok, maybe a slight exaggeration....) Signature~Shaun~ >> Hey! What are you trying to say mate? >> [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > I wouldn't go near UT with a HC pally without Drac's, not in a million > years. (Ok, maybe a slight exaggeration....) Dracs's or Last Wish or Exile Mickey > SamKinison - Level 74 Screamer Barb - has some CB gear > BeeHiveShythed - Level 77Static/Chain Lite Sorc [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Question: Which one of the above characters is the most useless against > the slug? Keep in mind this is hardcore. The numbers say that the cold Sorc should have the toughest time, but I think she'll do fine. Duriel is listed as 95% cold resistant, but a high level Cold Mastery will decrease this significantly. I've been running some mules through Hell recently with my MF Sorc. And for Duriel, her FO kills much faster than FB or Meteor. You just have to make sure you target the burst over Duriels head, and not the body. That seems to be his damage center. The CL Sorc might be tougher, as she doesn't have multiple targets for CL to resonate between. I guess we'll just have to see which will be toughest. But with two mercs and my Shadow to keep the big bug occupied, I don't forsee too much trouble. Hell Duriel and my cold sorc it was a long battle. > I would have to sleaze the weakest link into act 3. Between you and I, we can do 4 characters at a time. And that four don't need to be the killers. They can leave after squashing the bug, then we can bring in different characters to talk to Tyreal and complete the quest. > Kamikazees live forever or die trying! What? Do you want to live forever? Sunday is a good day to die. But then, I'm part Klingon. Regards- Mark Bongo-Fury >> SamKinison - Level 74 Screamer Barb - has some CB gear >> BeeHiveShythed - Level 77Static/Chain Lite Sorc [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] > > Bongo-Fury What time Sunday? If I'm not working, or otherwise occupied, assuming that Orion "REALLY" wants to cheese past Duriel, let me know, as I can bring in all his unused candidates after Duriel is dead, but before you activate the quest, and you only have to do that quest once. :-) Ruben Hmm, you have 8 PCs, I have 2, Bongo has 2, for a total of 12 PCs. We have in total 5 Orion kamikazees (pally, 2 sorc, 2 barb) 1 Bongo kamikazee (trapper) 1 Misfit Kamikazee (pally) 2 Orion support kamikazee (chanter, WC slave) 1 Misfit support kamikazee (chanter) for a total of 10. You got any NL HC chars in Hell that want to become HC kamikazees? Looks like we have too many PCs. Heh heh!! It depends on what time Bongo gets up. We'll only get 8 on the boat, but then the other two can even be moved alone if I had to, or Bongo might want to kill the slug again, but this Sunday we prolly ony have time for one kill once he gets on. Bongo will look for you, if you are on we would only need 4 PCs and I'll set the accounts up for you to log on. Everybody loves the HC kamikazees. They are famous!! It's like Forrest Gump running across America!! Everybody is cheering for the HC kamikazees! HC kamikazee mantra. Live forever or die trying!! OH! OH! OH! Orion >These are the characters that are ready to face off with the big slug. > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >Question: Which one of the above characters is the most useless against >the slug? Keep in mind this is hardcore. I would be most reluctant to take the throwbarb in against him solo, especially as he is only 74. The cold sorc might have trouble if she is untwinked and has only a single point in CM, but Insight means she can usually Teleport out of trouble, at least until the merc croaks. >The Lite Sorc can static duriel from across the room, but the battle >might be tough after that. After the static her lite dmg is 2 - 1800 >but that is only going to be one bolt per attack given Duriel is alone, >correct? Right. Don't your sorcs have back-up attacks? >Maybe I could static Duriel with BeeHive and TP to town and then send >in the Col sorc to battle a 1/2 life Duriel. Maybe that would work. It's one plan, but if the Smiter has some CB gear, he will have the easiest time. -- Roy L > >These are the characters that are ready to face off with the big slug. > > [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > Right. Don't your sorcs have back-up attacks? Why should I for a Tag Team Wrestlemania match with the minions of Diablo in Hardcore? My cold sorc pwned the maggot lair My static/CL sorc pwned the arcane and almost pwned completely the Lost City and CVT. My double thorw barb just pwned the Rocky Waste and Stony Tomb and in 3 games I got him up two more levels. I specifically send in the team player that can handle the given situation better than anyone else. The sorcs leveled while advancing the others and the melee charracters farm certain areas based on their abilities and melee the big cheeses when needed to move the sorcs onwards when they would have a hard time. In certain locations I have to send in a specific character to take out certain beasts. The cold sorc empties Cat 4 to prepare the pally and two barbs for laying Andarial to waste. I just make sure that based on the immunites and strengths of the beasts that I send in the right characters at the right time. There's no "I" in Clan Shythed. Just a lot of individual team members willing to open the doorways when needed for the rest of the Clan to march through. General Sam Kinison (it says barbs are leaders, right?) will figure out the best solution or consult others when mroe information is needed. OH! OH! OH! > >Maybe I could static Duriel with BeeHive and TP to town and then send > >in the Col sorc to battle a 1/2 life Duriel. Maybe that would work. > > It's one plan, but if the Smiter has some CB gear, he will have the > easiest time. The Smiter will be fighting Duriel. But I am going to have to send others in as well, unless the Smiter kill Duriel and others take hisplace (which just might happen) I suspect that Bongo wants to take on the slug a few times just for the fun of it. When I rendezvouw with the trapper there will be some new fun at time. > -- Roy L Thanks for the info. Always helps. Orion royls@telus.net a écrit : > I would be most reluctant to take the throwbarb in against him solo, > especially as he is only 74. The cold sorc might have trouble if she > is untwinked and has only a single point in CM, but Insight means she > can usually Teleport out of trouble, at least until the merc croaks. hmm, I might be missing a year and a half patch-wise, but the throwbarb is a barbarian, has concentrate (you *do* have 1 point in concentrate, right?), and that's more than enough to kill hell duriel in HC without a scratch... after all, my 1.10 throwbarb was killing the clone with level 1 concentrate and level 1 battle orders. Did I miss something? Babe Bridou a écrit : > royls@telus.net a écrit : > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Did I miss something? That guide of mine could be updated though. http://groups.google.fr/group/alt.games.diablo2/browse_frm/thread/a0dad62f69fd8d f5/ae4df3a488c672ad?q=warshrike&rnum=5#ae4df3a488c672ad "Killing Act bosses ****************** All act bosses from normal Andy to DiabloClone require only one strategy: get a shield, get a weapon with crushing blows, and use your level 1 concentrate attack along with your level 1 battle cry. Quick, safe and easy. I use gerke's sanctuary and fleshrender, unique barbed club (now replaced with fleshripper the unique fanged knife) " >royls@telus.net a =E9crit : > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > >Did I miss something? I don't know that he has Conc, a CB weapon or a shield. A 74 throwbarb meleeing with Hell Dury is going to be taking some damage, unless he has godly gear. -- Roy L royls@telus.net a écrit : > I don't know that he has Conc, a CB weapon or a shield. A 74 > throwbarb meleeing with Hell Dury is going to be taking some damage, > unless he has godly gear. The only things he might be lacking are 1 point in Concentrate and 1 point in Battle Cry, godly gear isn't a requirement for any barbarian at act bosses if you invest 1 point in each. As a throwbarb, he should already have max block whatever his shield (even a bought blue), and probably has decent resistances and defense rating already without taking the shield into account. The only thing he needs is a cheap strength runeword (Amn Tir, 25% crushing blows) and a cheap malice runeword on switch to finish (Ith El Eth, open wounds, pmh), the gimmershred isn't even needed to get the job done to be honest - I think he can collect these runes his eyes closed. He won't have to deal with the charge as he would be in melee range all the time. Max block, level 1 concentrate, level 1 shout and level 1 battle cry means he will only take a fraction of the damage duriel can deal, enough for a health potion to recover. Concentrate makes his attacks uninterruptible, making him practically immune to duriel's smite. The level difference (88 for duriel, 74 for the barbarian) only reduces his chance to hit at that point, and then again, the battlecry debuff makes his attacks connect almost every time Duriel doesnt block. Again, unless something changed since 1.10, I wouldn't even give a shiver after putting the staff into the slot with this barbarian, or even with the crybaby. That is, assuming you are ready to go easymode using level 1 skills. |
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