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Game Forum / Role Playing Games / Diablo / August 2005Pure Bowazon - Viable Build in 1.11?
Is the Bowazon a viable build in 1.11? It used to be my favorite character in the ealier days or LOD. Guy I have built 2 in the 1.10 patches and endgamed with M'avina's set on both. Powerful builds when complete, but finding the/elite bow is sometimes difficult. I'm currently building a FA/Strafe zon (same as M'avina's build) and she is doing great in NM. FA is maxed, Strafe is maxed... Valk is about 13 with skills, NOTHING in the fire skills... you'll need them for passives. I can look up my old zon if you want her stats at clvl88. Reg >I have built 2 in the 1.10 patches and endgamed with M'avina's set on >both. Powerful builds when complete, but finding the/elite bow is [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >Reg Yes, please. OK, sorry it took me so long... Here's the base stats for my build: Str: 100 Dex: 310 Vit: 90 Eng: 20 (base) And the Skill points: Max Frozen Arrow Max Cold Arrow (synergy) Max Strafe Max Valk 1 point in all other passives (this is subject to some disagreement, even from me.. a few more in penetrate and few less in Valk) 1 point in all other Bow skills With Equipment her stats are much better: Str 150 Dex 431 Vit 110 Eng 40 +9 to bow skills +8 to Passive skills 75 to all resists And her equipment: Full M'avina set Windforce on switch with 40/15 jewel Cat's Eye amulet Raven Frost ring Rare Raven Spiral ring (dual leech 6/7, dex 13, all resist 15) Gore Rider boots In the Stash: Annihilus Charm Gheed's Charm (2) Bow skills grand charm (1) Passive skils grand charm 15 to all resists grand charm (2) 4 to all resist small charms 50 to poison/6 sec small charm (4) 175 to poison/6 sec large charms (2) 90 to poison/5 sec large charms keys Merc: Insight Eth Colossus Voulge stick Fortitude Wyrmhide armor Andariel's Visage helm The Windforce is actually from the 1st ladder season, her original Windforce has a 38%ed jewel... Reg (who is going to take her for a spin now) forgot to mention the armor and helm are socketed with 15 ias jewels to max the strafe speed... Reg You'd probably want to know her overall damage: Normal damage with complete gear (Mavina bow): 1435-2842 Strafe: 1119-2358 AR: 6887 Frozen Arrow: 2216-2420 AR: 14476 Normal damage with Windforce: 1299-4360 Strafe: 1009-3756 AR: 6166 Frozen Arrow: 1491-1688 AR: 12647 Resists reduced to: 37 to all >Is the Bowazon a viable build in 1.11? It used to be my favorite >character in the ealier days or LOD. Only with good gear, IMO. Resists in Hell are a bit difficult to manage without a shield. The compromises you have to make to get resistances tend to make your killing power inadequate. -- Roy L > Only with good gear, IMO. Resists in Hell are a bit difficult to > manage without a shield. The compromises you have to make to get > resistances tend to make your killing power inadequate. Agreed. My level 93 SP bowazon was lucky enough to have an older brother nec have Hell Pindle drop a Windforce. With that, she obviously does very well. It's a riot seeing critters knocked back all over the screen. I've been very lucky with finding resist charms, and her resists are 75-29-75-29. However, were it not for the fact that she had a WF, I'm not sure how'd she do. With the other bow I used before the WF, an upped Lycander's Aim, things seemed to take forever to kill even in Act I Hell on players1. An Eaglehorn may be an alternative, providing you have Mana leech somewhere. It also has Ignores Target's Defense, which is awesome. But, again, this all depends on what equipment you have available to you. Another thing to consider is Attack Rating. With over 400 points in Dex, she still only has a 5,000 or so AR and is constantly enchanting herself with the Demon Limb. Like Orion said in another post, she also has stalled at the Hell Ancients. In SP with no second computer she has to solo them. They totally ignore the merc and Valk and go straight for her, and she just can't hold them in place long enough to shoot at them. Her first dismal attempt resulted in being one-hit killed by a Leap Attack with about 1,300 life and 18% damage reduction. Bowazons are still my favourite build. I think they're fun as heck to play. Jill <snip> royls@telus.net wrote: > > Only with good gear, IMO. Resists in Hell are a bit difficult to > > manage without a shield. The compromises you have to make to get [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > screen. I've been very lucky with finding resist charms, and her > resists are 75-29-75-29. You have indeed been quite lucky finding resist charms! > However, were it not for the fact that she had a WF, I'm not sure how'd > she do. With the other bow I used before the WF, an upped Lycander's [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > awesome. But, again, this all depends on what equipment you have > available to you. My current level 83 bowazon is equipped with a Harmony Matriarch Bow and an Eaglehorn ... Eaglehorn does all right against the elemental immunes, but is fairly worthless against PIs ... at which point I'll switch to the Harmony. http://groups.google.com/group/alt.games.diablo2/browse_frm/thread/91520aa567f65 697/a8aefae5ff6aa8e6?hl=en#a8aefae5ff6aa8e6 > Another thing to consider is Attack Rating. With over 400 points in > Dex, she still only has a 5,000 or so AR and is constantly enchanting > herself with the Demon Limb. Over 400 to Dex? Wow ... I'm just over 300 now and still my AR (72%) is nothing to write home about! > Like Orion said in another post, she also has stalled at the Hell > Ancients. In SP with no second computer she has to solo them. They > totally ignore the merc and Valk and go straight for her, and she just > can't hold them in place long enough to shoot at them. Exactly my experience with the Ancients (grr). Finally had to ask for help from my guildies. We (HKW - Holy Knights of Westmarch) have a designated MF team. We get in, sliver (reduce whatever bosses life to a sliver) and let whomever has the most MF take the killing shot\blow. Drops are shared\distributed amongst members as they need. > Bowazons are still my favourite build. I think they're fun as heck to > play. Enjoy running Bowazons myself, but experience has taught me they are not a viable build for running solo in Hell. Now my Fanatic Zealot on the other hand ... heh, heh, heh. He shows no mercy! Sometimes I'll have one of my guildies run the Zealot while I run the Bowazon ... big fun then. >> Like Orion said in another post, she also has stalled at the Hell >> Ancients. In SP with no second computer she has to solo them. They [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >Exactly my experience with the Ancients (grr). Finally had to ask for >help from my guildies. My Bowazon was also able to solo (in SP) the Ancients, but it was long and hard and cost me all my full rejuvs, and more than four quivers of arrows (fortunately one of my bows was Witchwild String, which even works without arrows). She died twice before finally making it through. Unfortunately, the Ancients did not ignore my mercenary all the time, but killed her rather fast, otherwise it might have been much shorter (I have no idea why, but the mercenary was often faster at killing single monsters than the Bowazon). Fortunately, they did not ignore the Valk all the time, but now and then concentrated on her for extended periods; and fortunately I eventually cast a Valk that could survive that kind of attention forever (life bar never below 80%, usually full); she must have had some godly mod. At those times I could be much faster at reducing the health of the Ancients, rather than having to run, shoot a guided arrow, run again etc. I had such periods twice during the battle, and I got the first and the last Ancient during these periods. For more details read my Immozon report: <2005Aug6.201427@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at>. - anton  SignatureBritton Robbins' D2 PDF Guides: http://www.brittonrobbins.com/D2Info.htm neithskye <jill_bookerGREENEGGSANDSPAM@hotmail.com> kirjoitti: > However, were it not for the fact that she had a WF, I'm not sure how'd > she do. With the other bow I used before the WF, an upped Lycander's [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > awesome. But, again, this all depends on what equipment you have > available to you. Eaglehorn has no IAS; hence, IMHO, it's about as good as a cracked short bow. You're better off with many items hundreds of times easier to find. (Of upgrades, Goldstrike is the best, although the FoH is very annoying.) IMHO it's also best to get a Might merc, since damage will always be the weakest point of a bowazon and with a Valk, you don't need extra tanking. I don't understand all the people who claim that bowazons aren't good. They aren't fast killers, but they're still pretty sure killers and it's hard to die with them. IMHO the important things are to max Valk, put points into the defensive passives (some *hard* points in Dodge and Avoid will benefit a Valk much, much more than points in Decoy - but not too many points, because the benefit quickly drops), *to forget max resists* and MF in gear, getting lots of leech, to wear light armor and have good run speed and to look for damage-boosting factors from other items besides the bow, above all else attack speed (besides that, load up on items like Gore Riders if you can). Also, it's important not to overdo Dex and forget Vit, because running out of stamina is deadly... I was going to say that the bowazon isn't a super-killer build but that it makes a good solo questing character (I've already decided that, once I get the urge to HC through 1.11 [I play untwinked and usually solo in HC, otherwise it doesn't feel right], the bow-javelin hybrid is the one, the nicest balance between non-tedium and non-overpower), because she's one of those characters that simply can't get stuck on the Ancients or some other boss. But then I noticed you saying... > Like Orion said in another post, she also has stalled at the Hell > Ancients. In SP with no second computer she has to solo them. They > totally ignore the merc and Valk and go straight for her, and she just > can't hold them in place long enough to shoot at them. Her first dismal I don't understand. IMHO the Ancients are entirely trouble-less for any SC ranged attacker that isn't limited to one element, HC more troublesome only because of the one-hit-kill mods (rerolling them helps *a lot*, if you allow yourself that). You shoot once or twice, run a bit, shoot, run, shoot, run, repeat until they're all dead. The pattern is to circle around the available area, in such a pattern that you can't get stuck on the obstacles or even slowed by them. If you're running out of stamina or mana, walk around in circles until it's back with short bursts of running to avoid getting hit. The only things you need for this are lots of faster run/walk and a good enough connection that you can keep your distance to the barbs. If your damage is low, it can take *forever*, but that doesn't matter when you really love your character, does it? Just make sure you've eaten and visited the bathroom before clicking on that altar... > can't hold them in place long enough to shoot at them. Her first dismal > attempt resulted in being one-hit killed by a Leap Attack with about > 1,300 life and 18% damage reduction. Ugh. Do you remember the mods? Still, if you keep moving, the leap attack should never hit. How much speed does she have? >Is the Bowazon a viable build in 1.11? It used to be my favorite >character in the ealier days or LOD. Well, I did an Immolation Arrow Bowazon in 1.10, and she was viable is SP (i.e., soloing) including Hell Baal (see <2005Aug6.201427@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at> for my report on her). I did not see anything in the 1.11 release notes that would make me doubt her viability in 1.11. - anton SignatureBritton Robbins' D2 PDF Guides: http://www.brittonrobbins.com/D2Info.htm > Is the Bowazon a viable build in 1.11? It used to be my favorite > character in the ealier days or LOD. > > Guy Resists will be low, firepower will also be a problem. You'll need to max\totally synergize your Valk for a tank (mercs tend to die a lot in Hell). Check out my thread\similar question here: http://groups.google.com/group/alt.games.diablo2/browse_frm/thread/91520aa567f65 697/16e15b1738828113?hl=en#16e15b1738828113 >> Is the Bowazon a viable build in 1.11? It used to be my favorite >> character in the ealier days or LOD. >> >> Guy > >Resists will be low, I did not find this to be a problem. The resist on my Bowazon were around 0 in Hell with the Kuko. She had a Witchwild String (40% resist all) as secondary bow, but rarely used it, even in areas with elemental attacks such as the Chaos Sanctuary or the Frigid Highlands. I just did not get hit enough, the Decoy, the Valk, and fast running protected her well enough. > firepower will also be a problem. It's a matter of patience (and having enough arrows) in some places. > You'll need to >max\totally synergize your Valk for a tank I maxed the Valk, but put only two points into Decoy; that worked well enough. One of the valks (the last one) I cast in the battle against the ancients had no problems surviving. > (mercs tend to die a lot in >Hell). I used an Act 1 mercenary, and she rarely died; she even survived most act-end bosses. - anton SignatureBritton Robbins' D2 PDF Guides: http://www.brittonrobbins.com/D2Info.htm |
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