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Mickey - 25 May 2005 17:33 GMT Well, for me anyway.
I recently purchased a nice quick computer for my hotel room in Detroit. I've been itching to play Diablo on it, especially as it has a great 21 inch flat screen. Sadly, my hotel has been getting a wi-fi installed next month for the last 6 months :(
Having grown tired of the wait, I decided to try something I have never tried before, namely playing single player. Now, I had the Diablo 2 CDs, but my LoD CDs were still in Florida. This presented a few problems, namely which char I could play without any twinking and a char that I could build in D2 and still play in LoD. This of course led to only one thought, a necro (I bet you all figured that out by now). In any case, I concluded some time ago that the latest set of runewords made a necro invincable. Why you ask? Well I am so glad you did. There are 2 new runewords that make a necro almost impossible to kill, especially if he has the pick of his gear. The first is Insight. Given perfect gear (frosties and 2 SOJs) and some decent mana charms, and given a rabbi with said Insight stick, a necro need put almost no points into mana. With a pair of Marrowwalks (for the synergies) a necro could actually walk around with 35 minions, 3000+ life and a 700 point bone armor. The second amore more important is the Splendor Shield. While this is a great shield for any caster, the necro benefits most from it, as he can make it in a head that has +3 Skels, +2-3 Skel Mast, and +2-3 CE and +1 to all skills (from the runeword). I cannot imagine how anything the game can spawn anything kill this character.
So off I went to test my theory. One problem I quickly encountered was the tiny litle stash that D2 gave us. Another was the fact that the method for playing a necro in D2 was COMPLETELY different from LoD. For those who do not recall, the 1.07 D2 necro made his living with a golem, Iron Maiden and CE. SO I had to be VERY careful about skill point distribution and avoid the urge to put points into IM or golem skills. I had little difficulty getting to Andariel, but even less inluck in items, finding nothing of note. Just as I was about to face her, a package arrived from home with my LoD CD. I VERY quickly updated and then went to visit the large green female. It wasn't quick, but she went down without too much effort and burped up a pair of Magefists. OK, I thought, that was profitible. Then I recalled that she has this increased chance of dropping a ring, so I decided to kill her a few dozen times, ramping up the number of players as I went. This is MUCH easier in SP, as you only have to find you way down once, and then you have the map and can rocket down. This little feature makes leveling up SO much easier in SP than in MP. On one of my trips to see her, a random boss dropped an Angelic Halo. She was quite helpful and dropped an Infernal Cranium and a a Manald heal ring. Off to act 2 our intrepid hero goes, and on my trip through the sewers to see Ratman, a champion skeleton archer dropped a white circlet. Perfect, I thought, I will imbue this when I make a few m ore levels. Ratman was easy, I just blew up all his friends and them IM'd him and watched him impale himself on my golem. Back to towm to get me a rabbi, and off to the desserts we go. Everything went along as easy as pie, with the exception of the Maggot Lair. I finally figured out that my skeletons were causing my rabbi a problem in that thety blocked him from the monsters and didn't do enough damage yet to kill with any speed, so I nuked em all and then cruised the rest of the way. Things were uneventfull until I reached Duriel. I almost bought it there, but fast goem casting and IM eventually did the trick, and the slug dropped a Nightsmoke and an ETH rune. Perfect!!! Off to act3 and again, not much in the way of an issue with the exception of SZark the Burning, who ate my rabbi and quite an impressive collection of golems before FINALLY biting the dust. It was a fast cruise to Travincal, where the Boys in the Band were kind enough to drop a shitload of useless by pricey items. I was bloated with gold, so I went gambling, and here I made my first major hit. A pair of yellow leather booties:
20% fast run 39%LR 39%FR 32%CR 50%CLR 25%PLR
Now I was feeling godly, so I didn't bother visiting Mephy more than once, although he did drop me a Grim Ward shield, with all those levely resists. I charged through act4 and fed Diablo golems until he puked (I was level 22) and off to act5. Here I was able to power level VERY quickly, as repeated runs at players 8 at the waypoint (Eldritch the Rectum Fryer and Shrek) got me levels in a real hurry and 2 more ETH runes. I then started pumping the minions for a while, and one of them dropped a 3 socket superior breast plate and now I had a home for my ETH runes. Now I had some serious mana regen so I offed Baal and hiked into NM mode. Just before I left, I decided it was time to imbue that circlet, and once again the gods of LoD smiled upon me. +1 P&B skills, 11 life, 14 energy and 17% resist all. WONDEFRFUL, I said and off to NM I went. First boss I ran into deposited an Infernal Torch. Now if ONLY I had the belt.... but just how lucky can one expect to get. SO I shopped and shopped and finally got a decent wand, and that propelled me though to act4 in rapid order. I offed Diablo at level 44 (amazing how fast he goes down with IM and 200 minions around him) and now I am back in act5 and pumping the fellows at the WP again. I am now level 61, haven't yet died, and my stats look like:
70 STR (10 from the shield) 25 Dex (base) 20 VIT (base) 161 Energy
140 points in the bank.
My adjusted Skills are at
11 Skel mast 15 Skels 12 Revives 8 CE and one in each of the other relevant skills and 14 skills in the bank
Now I need to find me a nice head, a nice 2 socket wand and a nice stick for my rabbi, and I really cannot imagine how this char can possibly be killed.
Mickey
Orion Ryder - 25 May 2005 18:11 GMT > Well, for me anyway. > [quoted text clipped - 104 lines] > and one in each of the other relevant skills > and 14 skills in the bank Excellent historic text. Very informative and anyone who has never played a necro and fathoms the idea can learn from this.
> Now I need to find me a nice head, a nice 2 socket wand and a nice > stick for my rabbi, and I really cannot imagine how this char can > possibly be killed. Get a hotel room in New Zealand and play on West US via NZ Telecom.
That boy should die somewhere between Hell Pit and Durance 3.
Misfit has proven this to be a fact in the current world as we know it.
Hardcore Mantra in New Zealand
Live Forever Or Die Trying to PLay Using NZ Telecom
Orion Ryder
> Mickey Zamboni - 25 May 2005 20:00 GMT > Get a hotel room in New Zealand and play on West US via NZ Telecom. > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Orion Ryder Every time I get the urge to accept a job offer in Kiwiland, I see a message like this that kind of ruins the mood. What would I need, my own commercial T-1 line? (Do they even have those down there?)
Maybe I should concentrate on Oz instead... -- Zamboni
Stephen van Ham - 25 May 2005 21:34 GMT Long ago, in the world without shrimp, "Orion Ryder" <orionryder@hotmail.com>, supreme ruler of bunnies, hopped and flopped and said:
>Get a hotel room in New Zealand and play on West US via NZ Telecom. > >That boy should die somewhere between Hell Pit and Durance 3. > >Misfit has proven this to be a fact in the current world as we know it.
>Hardcore Mantra in New Zealand > >Live Forever Or Die Trying to PLay Using NZ Telecom I don't know what was up yesterday, but Dalai and I smacked demons around for a solid 6+ hours yesterday, and I was only disconnected twice in the process!
 Signature If in doubt, hit with axe.
~misfit~ - 26 May 2005 01:38 GMT > Long ago, in the world without shrimp, "Orion Ryder" > <orionryder@hotmail.com>, supreme ruler of bunnies, hopped and [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > around for a solid 6+ hours yesterday, and I was only disconnected > twice in the process! Wicked! And I didn't even play yesterday as I was sick of all the disconnects the night before. I've been playing with 4 PCs in a game and when you just get them all in a game, partied and looting allowed, get your army with the necro, enchant minions and they all get dropped it's really annoying. When it happens three times in a row it's enough to turn Mother Theresa (RIP) into Ted Bundy.
Just my luck. ;-( Yesterday was good huh? -- ~misfit~
Stephen van Ham - 26 May 2005 02:18 GMT Long ago, in the world without shrimp, "~misfit~" <misfit61nz@hooya.co.nz>, supreme ruler of bunnies, hopped and flopped and said:
>Wicked! And I didn't even play yesterday as I was sick of all the >disconnects the night before. I've been playing with 4 PCs in a game and >when you just get them all in a game, partied and looting allowed, get your >army with the necro, enchant minions and they all get dropped it's really >annoying. When it happens three times in a row it's enough to turn Mother >Theresa (RIP) into Ted Bundy.
>Just my luck. ;-( Yesterday was good huh? It was! Not sure about today yet, though.
 Signature If in doubt, hit with axe.
~misfit~ - 26 May 2005 07:06 GMT > Long ago, in the world without shrimp, "~misfit~" > <misfit61nz@hooya.co.nz>, supreme ruler of bunnies, hopped and [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > It was! Not sure about today yet, though. I played briefly at around 1pm and saw the best ping-times I've seen in a very, very long time. They ranged from a best (observed) of 215ms and upwards. It seemed to average around 250ms!!!!! That is bloody brilliant compared with my usual average of 400-800ms and multi-second lag-spikes every 90 seconds or so. I might try playing for a while later tonight and see what it's like then. -- ~misfit~
Kaytie - 25 May 2005 20:54 GMT > Well, for me anyway. > > I recently purchased a nice quick computer for my hotel room in > Detroit. I've been itching to play Diablo on it, especially as it has a > great 21 inch flat screen. Sadly, my hotel has been getting a wi-fi > installed next month for the last 6 months :( Hi y not play on dial up it not THAT bad and with a superfast computer and nice dial up connection it prolly wont be that much diff unless like u play in game with 7 other skellie necros or something hehe
> Having grown tired of the wait, I decided to try something I have never > tried before, namely playing single player. Now, I had the Diablo 2 [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > given a rabbi with said Insight stick, a necro need put almost no > points into mana. Insight mercs r VERY cool. And with insight u wont even need mana charms or frosties or ne points in mana at all. not even sojs but if u do it will be for plus skills and not mana. especially for a necro my necro is the only caster char I have who don have a insight merc cuz he only really has mana problems when fighting baal and gets hit by whatever that spell is that sucks all his mana and that dont happen to much if baal is decrep on him and necro stay back far enuff. plan for 3000 life necro I bet it mean call 2 arms on switch and if u have call to arms that mean his mana will be waaay over 500 or 600 specially if he do have sojs and frosties. That much mana a might merc will make him more super than prayer 1 with insight cuz then 35 minions will be killing LOTS faster specially if merc has plus skills stuff to make might even higher.
With a pair of Marrowwalks (for the synergies) a
> necro could actually walk around with 35 minions, 3000+ life and a 700 > point bone armor. The second amore more important is the Splendor [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > easier in SP, as you only have to find you way down once, and then you > have the map and can rocket down. Yeah that are the only 2 nice things bout sp if u have a nice map u can keep it and it make doing repeat runs very fast and players 8 also mean u an ur merc can level lots easier.
This little feature makes leveling up
> SO much easier in SP than in MP. On one of my trips to see her, a > random boss dropped an Angelic Halo. She was quite helpful and dropped [quoted text clipped - 65 lines] > stick for my rabbi, and I really cannot imagine how this char can > possibly be killed. Let jabber play him he will find way hehe :) j/k jabber :)
> Mickey Dont 4get splender and insight r online only runewords but I think there is way for ppl with pcs to download something where they can use the online only words but I use a mac so I dont know how to get it
Kaytie
Mickey - 26 May 2005 17:30 GMT > > Well, for me anyway. > > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > and nice dial up connection it prolly wont be that much diff unless > like u play in game with 7 other skellie necros or something hehe No can so, as I need to keep the phone line clear. Firstly, female spousal unit needs to be able to get me, and secondly, Ford needs to be able to get me if something gang a glae.
> > Having grown tired of the wait, I decided to try something I have never > > tried before, namely playing single player. Now, I had the Diablo 2 [quoted text clipped - 131 lines] > there is way for ppl with pcs to download something where they can use > the online only words but I use a mac so I dont know how to get it A condition easily corrected by a little editing of files :)
Mickey
Stephen van Ham - 25 May 2005 21:39 GMT Long ago, in the world without shrimp, "Mickey" <mickeyb@comcast.net>, supreme ruler of bunnies, hopped and flopped and said:
>20% fast run >39%LR >39%FR >32%CR >50%CLR >25%PLR Woohoo! Sweet gambling hit. I recently scored a pair of booties with three resists, faster run and hit recovery and was told they would be worth a fortune on the trading scene, and yours have even better mods.
< Snip stuff about a character class I've never heard of. ;-) >
 Signature If in doubt, hit with axe.
Mark - 25 May 2005 22:39 GMT > Having grown tired of the wait, I decided to try something I have never > tried before, namely playing single player. If you haven't gotten it yet, I recommend getting the ATMA's muling program: http://diabloii.net/~atma/ It's absolutely wonderful and I'm sure a pack rat like you will love it. ;-)
Also, like Kaytie said, the new Runewords are not available in SP. You can DL a mod that enables them though: http://wreckernl.homestead.com/files/diabloiinet/mods/runewords.zip
Watch out for the FE bug, it's in full force in SP and it can kill you regardless of build or equipment.
Regards- Mark
Bongo-Fury
Mickey - 26 May 2005 17:33 GMT > > Having grown tired of the wait, I decided to try something I have never > > tried before, namely playing single player. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > DL a mod that enables them though: > http://wreckernl.homestead.com/files/diabloiinet/mods/runewords.zip Thanks for those links, taht will help immensely.
> Watch out for the FE bug, it's in full force in SP and it can kill you > regardless of build or equipment. I finally did die this morning, but not to the FE bug per se. I was doing players 8 Pindle runs. Pindle and company were well dead, and I went over to pick up some stuff they dropped and suddenly, I was dead. I looked to see if if one had revived and killed me, but alas, it was the old delayed FE issue that Pindle has. I always thought that was a lag issue, but this sort of puts that theory to bed :)
Mickey
Mark - 26 May 2005 18:37 GMT > I finally did die this morning, but not to the FE bug per se. I was > doing players 8 Pindle runs. Pindle and company were well dead, and I > went over to pick up some stuff they dropped and suddenly, I was dead. > I looked to see if if one had revived and killed me, but alas, it was > the old delayed FE issue that Pindle has. I always thought that was a > lag issue, but this sort of puts that theory to bed :) That's a manifestation of the FE bug. If you're within the 'blast area' of one of those skelly dudes when he revives you get hit with the FE damage. Or if you're standing on top of one, you prevent his revival but take the damage. And at P8 that means Deeds, er, corpse recovery in your case. It's never a good idea to stand around in Pindle's place too long.
Regards- Mark
Bongo-Fury
Mickey - 26 May 2005 18:50 GMT > > I finally did die this morning, but not to the FE bug per se. I was > > doing players 8 Pindle runs. Pindle and company were well dead, and I [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > damage. And at P8 that means Deeds, er, corpse recovery in your case. It's > never a good idea to stand around in Pindle's place too long. Unless of course you're playing a necro and you AREN"T retarded, like I was, and just blow up all the corpses first :)
Mickey
Zamboni - 26 May 2005 19:55 GMT > > I finally did die this morning, but not to the FE bug per se. I was > > doing players 8 Pindle runs. Pindle and company were well dead, and I [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > damage. And at P8 that means Deeds, er, corpse recovery in your case. It's > never a good idea to stand around in Pindle's place too long. Pindle can't revive because he's a boss. The problem is that the game code still starts to revive him because of his monster type, but he can't *finish* reviving as a boss. Rather than just letting him be, the game solves the paradox by having him "die" again (revived with a life of zero paradox?). Nothing shows on the screen, but this second "death" is still treated as FE blast. Always give pindle a 10-second count before checking out his corpse. -- Zamboni
Brian Brunner - 26 May 2005 22:16 GMT >> Mark wrote: >> > "Mickey" wrote [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] >> is still treated as FE blast. Always give pindle a 10-second count >> before checking out his corpse. Necro: raise a bunch more skellies until all corpses are consumed... For a Druid: a Malice weapon and a corpse worm (he'll eat only if you're down some life) For a Pally: Salvation (almost spelled that Salivation). For a Barb: Grim Ward or Find Item. What's an Assassin, Sorceress, or Zon to do except wait?
Zamboni - 27 May 2005 01:43 GMT > For a Pally: Salvation (almost spelled that Salivation). I usually spell it Redemption (although I like Salivation better). -- Zamboni
Brian Brunner - 27 May 2005 14:09 GMT >> Brian Brunner wrote: >> >> > For a Pally: Salvation (almost spelled that Salivation). >> >> I usually spell it Redemption (although I like Salivation better). Well so do I when I think about it...
but salivation is funnier.
royls@telus.net - 26 May 2005 22:16 GMT >Pindle can't revive because he's a boss. The problem is that the game >code still starts to revive him because of his monster type, but he >can't *finish* reviving as a boss. Rather than just letting him be, the >game solves the paradox by having him "die" again (revived with a life >of zero paradox?). Nothing shows on the screen, but this second "death" >is still treated as FE blast. Damn, that explains at least a couple of my HC char losses, one of them at level 85.
Grr BCMs....
-- Roy L
royls@telus.net - 25 May 2005 22:40 GMT >One problem I quickly encountered was >the tiny litle stash that D2 gave us. A design decision that gives new meaning to the phrase, "Oughta be horsewhipped."
>I was bloated with gold, >so I went gambling, and here I made my first major hit. A pair of [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >50%CLR >25%PLR Geez. I have guardians who have never had boots that good.
>Just before I left, I decided it was time to imbue that >circlet, and once again the gods of LoD smiled upon me. +1 P&B skills, >11 life, 14 energy and 17% resist all. WONDEFRFUL, I said No $#!+!
-- Roy L
Mickey - 26 May 2005 17:38 GMT > >One problem I quickly encountered was > >the tiny litle stash that D2 gave us. > > A design decision that gives new meaning to the phrase, "Oughta be > horsewhipped." ROFL!!!
> >I was bloated with gold, > >so I went gambling, and here I made my first major hit. A pair of [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Geez. I have guardians who have never had boots that good. The trick with boots is to gamble for them early. Once you get too high a level, lots of useless mods become available, making the chance of getting a pair like those almost nil.
> >Just before I left, I decided it was time to imbue that > >circlet, and once again the gods of LoD smiled upon me. +1 P&B skills, > >11 life, 14 energy and 17% resist all. WONDEFRFUL, I said > > No $#!+! Yeah :)
Of course, I am paying the price for those two finds in my luck at both amulets and charms. So far, I have found 6 charms with +1 to a skills tab, none for a necro. I have gambled about 4.5 million in gold on amlets, but the best I have is one that gives me 8 energy, 86 mana and 20% resist all. Can't find one with skills on it, nor any decent 2 socket heads or wands. I shall grind on, I am now level 71 (8 player pindle runs work great, especially when you jump in and make 5 skels real fast).
Mickey
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