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Jabber's Latest HC Death Was Not His Fault

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Orion Ryder - 26 Apr 2005 14:09 GMT
OUCH! I was playing my Javazon in HC Hell Maggot Lair with Bongo's
sorc. We are ripping the place to shreds - without cheese I might add.

Jabber whispers me and I sadly end up hearing the story from him about
his death in HC. It was not his fault. It should not count. He deserves
better. Kids! You gotta love them. Now why did I throw that one in
there.

Poor Jabber. His son Andrew unplugged the mouse on him while he was
kicking a.s in the River of Flame. OUCH!

boydoisuck was killed by mouse eating child.

You have died

Your deeds of Valor will be Remembered.

The deeds of your children shall live on in the blah blah blah.

Jabber I will surely remember your deeds on this character despite not
partying with her much. That is great that you made it to the River and
a little further and someone could have come and kicked Diablo's a.s
with you and you would have been soaking up the sunshine in act 5.
Nightmare would have been just around the corner.

This death does nto count. Unfortunately we can't tell that to Bnet but
I want to make sure that everyone here pays homage to your deeds. You
do have the talent to make it far in the game. I do believe it. You are
quite resourcefull when it comes to figuring out the tools of the trade
that can get you there in style as well as with a fun style of play.

Jabber, next time, just to let you know try this. Hit esc and the
up/down to toggle the pentagrams to the middle choice and you might be
able to exit the game in time before the monsters kill your mouseless
character. Hopefully the mercs and minion can survive you long enough
for that exit. Perhaps you did try it.

I have another possible escape route myself. The wireless relay sits on
top of the PC I mostly use and I can reach up and unplug
the conenction and hope that Bnet loses the connection and save the
character before death. On my other PC if I am fast enough I can reach
in back of the modem and shut it off.

I am also tempted to pop off the Windows key with a butter knife while
I play HC. Although I have been fortunate enough not to have
accidecntally pressed it in HC I have done so in SC and would not want
to experience a HC death due to that.

Before we lost track of each other last night you were asking about
gear. We still have a somewhat shallow amount of gear packed away on
the mules. We are still quite at a early stage in our HC endeavors.
Cripes I never even looked at the gear there. I would suggest muling
gems like crazy and cubing them up to perfect. Eventually you will have
a stockpile available for trade. Except chippies - I use chippies to
make small purps. Purps are extremely valuable in HC and fortunately we
are doing a good job and even end up with too many on our chars and
havign to stash them away or give some away to others who actually
refuse because they are also loaded.

If you post an idea of what type of character you are looking at some
of us can tell you what we have. I have a lot of decent non-uber items
that can help. I just try to concentrate on dual resist items or one
good resist plus other mods. We don't nearly have all the unique gear
available that we had in SC.

Harcore Mantra:

Live Forever or Die Trying... or When Your Young'un Unplugs the Mouse.

Oron Ryder
Orion Ryder - 26 Apr 2005 15:38 GMT
DOH! I forgot  ALT-F4 works too!

And if you toggle the pentagrams to the middle of the exit screen you
still ahve to press enter to save and exit

Orion Ryder
Ruben-P - 26 Apr 2005 18:01 GMT
Caution!  Alt + F4 will only minimize the screen, it will still be
running, and the char will still be dieing.

safest is Esc - Up arrow - Enter

alternative would be Control+Alt+Delete, but sometimes it takes b'net
several seconds to disconnect you (it just sees your absence as more
lag), whereas the Esc - Up Arrow -Enter combo tells b'net "I'm leaving
NOW"

Small children and pets can be deadly to HC char's, glad I no longer
have either :-)
(In truth, I gotta admit they were lots of fun when they were young,
well actually they still are, they just don't live with us anymore,
which is good since they're married )

Jabber, what can I do to help?

Ruben
Stephen van Ham - 26 Apr 2005 20:56 GMT
"Ruben-P" <ruben.pastian@gmail.com> had this idea for a movie:

>alternative would be Control+Alt+Delete, but sometimes it takes b'net
>several seconds to disconnect you

Is this different in HC mode?   Because short and I have done testing on this
in SC mode, and it was taking battle.net *45* seconds to detect a power
off/reboot/connection terminate (i.e. pull plug out of the wall).   It was
this little tidbit that put paid to any ideas I ever had of solo HC.

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short - 26 Apr 2005 21:19 GMT
> "Ruben-P" <ruben.pastian@gmail.com> had this idea for a movie:
>
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> off/reboot/connection terminate (i.e. pull plug out of the wall).   It was
> this little tidbit that put paid to any ideas I ever had of solo HC.

Did we try the ctrl+alt+del?  I can't remember.  IIRC if you ctrl+alt+del
out or alt+f4 its a bit quicker.

short
Stephen van Ham - 26 Apr 2005 21:26 GMT
"short" <shorts@zoominternet.net> had this idea for a movie:

>> >alternative would be Control+Alt+Delete, but sometimes it takes b'net
>> >several seconds to disconnect you

>> Is this different in HC mode?   Because short and I have done testing on
>this
>> in SC mode, and it was taking battle.net *45* seconds to detect a power
>> off/reboot/connection terminate (i.e. pull plug out of the wall).   It was
>> this little tidbit that put paid to any ideas I ever had of solo HC.

>Did we try the ctrl+alt+del?  I can't remember.  IIRC if you ctrl+alt+del
>out or alt+f4 its a bit quicker.

Hmmm, I think we tried alt-F4 and you told me it was the same speed.

Oooh, well, I suppose ctrl+alt+del speed is going to depend on the OS, for a
start.   I know it takes me a few seconds of fumbling around in XP to get into
the shutdown option from there.   We should test alt-F4 again, by the sound of
it.

The speed of timeouts on dropped connections is the biggy for me, though.   45
seconds to figure out the client is no longer there?   Unacceptable.   What
I've also found recently with all the crapola happening with NZ internet at
the moment is *Save and Exit* isn't always a reliable way to exit, either.

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Ruben-P - 27 Apr 2005 14:16 GMT
> "Ruben-P" <ruben.pastian@gmail.com> had this idea for a movie:
>
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> off/reboot/connection terminate (i.e. pull plug out of the wall).   It was
> this little tidbit that put paid to any ideas I ever had of solo HC.

Nope, as far as connection specifics are concerned, softcore and hardcore
are identical.  That was why I indicated the several second delay when you
just shut down the process, either by a key combination, shutting off the
computer, or unplugging the internet connection.  In most cases all that
will get you is not having to witness your character getting slaughtered :-(

In a way, I can understand this.  If you exit with the designed in command
sequence, ASSUMING THAT YOUR CONNECTION IS STILL ACTIVE, then b'net can
respond immediately, save your character's information, and exit promptly.
Without that command sequence, they have to have a fairly long period of no
communication before the sever saves and boots your character.  If that
period was set too short, players would often get booted even with a
momentary lag connection, which would lead to many complaints.  Due to the
nature of the internet, most, if not all, of us suffer lag spikes from time
to time.  I sympathize with those whose connections are most prone to that
problem.

Ruben
royls@telus.net - 27 Apr 2005 18:48 GMT
>> "Ruben-P" <ruben.pastian@gmail.com> had this idea for a movie:
>>
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>period was set too short, players would often get booted even with a
>momentary lag connection, which would lead to many complaints.

But surely it would not be that big a deal to use different delays for
booting SC and HC chars.  Nobody is going to be playing HC with a
severely laggy connection anyway, so why not boot HC chars after a few
seconds?  It would save a lot of quill rat deaths.

-- Roy L
Stephen van Ham - 28 Apr 2005 02:17 GMT
"Ruben-P" <ruben_ptREMOVE@hotmail.com> had this idea for a movie:

>In a way, I can understand this.  If you exit with the designed in command
>sequence, ASSUMING THAT YOUR CONNECTION IS STILL ACTIVE,

Hehe.   Many a time I hit the mega spike and immediately hit save and exit,
but of course, by that time it's already too late.

I think misfit and I should form a party to storm the gates of Telecom HQ!
BOSS KILL GOGO!!!1!~

>then b'net can respond immediately, save your character's information, and exit promptly.
>Without that command sequence, they have to have a fairly long period of no
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>to time.  I sympathize with those whose connections are most prone to that
>problem.

I agree that making the "timeout delay" too short would have people
complaining.   But more than, say, 5-10 seconds of inactivity from the client
is surely a sign of something afoot, and the server should remove the player
from the game at that point.   Having a 45 second delay serves no real purpose
whatsoever, other than to annoy me (not that this isn't a worthy goal...)
;-)

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~misfit~ - 28 Apr 2005 02:41 GMT
> "Ruben-P" <ruben_ptREMOVE@hotmail.com> had this idea for a movie:
>
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> I think misfit and I should form a party to storm the gates of
> Telecom HQ! BOSS KILL GOGO!!!1!~

I'm in! Just give me the time, name and pass and I'll be there. :-)
--
~misfit~
ward mcfarland - 27 Apr 2005 21:37 GMT
> Poor Jabber. His son Andrew unplugged the mouse on him while he was
> kicking a.s in the River of Flame. OUCH!

I guess Dr. Suess has proven to be more dangerous to the HC gamer than
De Seis
 
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