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RegNitto - 24 Feb 2005 16:52 GMT I have never built a barb... gave plenty of that equipment away in the past... but never got around to building one until now. That being said (i feel like a newb), I'd like some advise. Currently, my newly created barb (RegArion) is level 24 and ready to take on the ancients. 8 skill points have been saved up.
WW or Berserk? I have a single point in double swing that has been my main attack since the beginning and I'm leaning toward Berserk.
Basic Skills to Max?
What about everything else?
Are my questions too vague?
What is a mouse when it flies?
RegNitto - I need more coffee
Orion Ryder - 24 Feb 2005 17:07 GMT > I have never built a barb... gave plenty of that equipment away in the > past... but never got around to building one until now. That being [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > WW or Berserk? Does this mean that you have decided that he will be one or the other? A dancer or a zerker? I can't tell.
> I have a single point in double swing that has been my > main attack since the beginning and I'm leaning toward Berserk. Shout (i believe) synergizes zerk. But plan to get hit a lot with zerk on so you have solve that problem ahead of time.
But you need at least one point in zerk to handle PIs
> Basic Skills to Max? BO - always. Without a doubt. Absolutely. And it synergizes Concentrate which is a good ckill for s handed swinger.
> What about everything else? Make sure 1 point in Leap Escape, er... I mean Leap Attack
> Are my questions too vague? Definitely. Soloing or partying? What kind of party? What kind of weapons you plan on using.
> What is a mouse when it flies? A Foul Crow?
> RegNitto - I need more coffee I might have some barb gear stashed. If you are axeing I have a spare Ethereal Edge. Got a few helms with + barb skills. But you will prolly find an IK helm. They are everywhere. Go look under your bed. There might be one there. :)
Orion Ryder
RegNitto - 24 Feb 2005 17:19 GMT Look! There it is... along with the gloves, belt & Maul.
I read some stategies... IK maul with dual shael and WW?
So many choices... so few IK armors.
Mickey - 24 Feb 2005 19:56 GMT > Look! There it is... along with the gloves, belt & Maul. > > I read some stategies... IK maul with dual shael and WW? > > So many choices... so few IK armors. Off ladder I can give you 10 if you need em :)
Mickey
howldog - 24 Feb 2005 17:09 GMT >I have never built a barb... gave plenty of that equipment away in the >past... but never got around to building one until now. That being [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >WW or Berserk? I liked Berserk, because thats magic damage, which comes in very handy fighting agaisnt physical immunes you'll see later.
I have a single point in double swing that has been my
>main attack since the beginning and I'm leaning toward Berserk. > >Basic Skills to Max? depends. everybody likes Leap Attack, its fun and powerful, altho, my guy often missed, but when he hit, KABLAAAM!
for slugging it out, i liked Concentrate a lot.
BattleOrders is probably a must.
>What about everything else? Watch out for the Iron Maiden curse from the Oblivion Mages. They return your own damage, sometimes exponentially. The Barb can, with certain weapons like a Maul, deliver enough damage to kill himself with one hit. Happened to me too many times before I figgered out wtf was going on.
Learn to recognize that particular curse and when you get it, best to stand back and chuck axes or spears.
Orion Ryder - 24 Feb 2005 17:08 GMT or zerk!
r u forgetting that verks?
Orion Ryder
howldog - 24 Feb 2005 18:44 GMT >or zerk! > >r u forgetting that verks? uh, i never knew it did! LOL
the things you learn on here.
Diane - 24 Feb 2005 18:44 GMT >>or zerk! >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > the things you learn on here. ain't that the truth!!!!
Alan Ladd - 24 Feb 2005 21:30 GMT >>I have never built a barb... gave plenty of that equipment away in the >>past... but never got around to building one until now. That being [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >> >>WW or Berserk? I thought Frenzy was also on the table? You decided against it? Why Berserk?
>I liked Berserk, because thats magic damage, which comes in very handy >fighting agaisnt physical immunes you'll see later. I hate Berserk because it's magic damage and does not leech either life or mana and puts my defense to zero BUT it does kill those Physical Immunes... assuming there is only a couple of them and none of them is a mana burner.
>> I have a single point in double swing that has been my >>main attack since the beginning and I'm leaning toward Berserk. IMO, Berserk is a skill you use out of necessity not your main mode of attack. It is for Oblivion Knights and those Flying ghostly thingies who inhabit the Arcane Sanctuary - name escapes me at the moment.
>>Basic Skills to Max? As everyone I'm sure pointed out, Battle Orders is a must. If not maxed then have it at a high level. You can never have enough life. IF you do decide to go WW, then you can still put more points in Berserk. Berserk to your hearts content, then whirl away to leech some life and mana.
Max mastery is a must as well. You just need to figure out what weapon you will be using :-)
I find Taunt, Howl and Warcry invaluable. I use Howl mostly to keep from getting mobbed. Taunt is for those long ranged attackers - think Gloams. Warcry I use for when I'm in a party. I stunlock them until my party manages to whittle down the crowd.
>depends. everybody likes Leap Attack, its fun and powerful, altho, my >guy often missed, but when he hit, KABLAAAM! Leap Attack is a one point wonder unless you plan on building a Booyaka barb.
>for slugging it out, i liked Concentrate a lot. I use WW on crowds and Concentrate for bosses.
>BattleOrders is probably a must. Yup.
>>What about everything else? > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >Learn to recognize that particular curse and when you get it, best to >stand back and chuck axes or spears. This is where Berserk really shines. As it is a magic only attack, no physical damage is multiplied tenfold. The bad part is that it can only attack one baddie at a time, lowers defenses to zero and does not leech.
I'm personally in the middle of building two barbs. One is a WW/Concetrate IK barb who is still missing an armor unfortunately. Even without the armor, currently using Duriel's shell, he is still a lot of fun to play. The other is my Frenzier - WyattEarp. He will be using two swords with the Runewords Crescent Moon and Lawbringer. With those two swords and maxxed Frenzy, Static and Decrep should be firing quite often and make quick work of a crowd. Salvation aura is a bonus especially against those charging zombies. If only I can find a 3 socket Colossus blade to make that Crescent in.
Alan
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short - 24 Feb 2005 17:53 GMT > I have never built a barb... gave plenty of that equipment away in the > past... but never got around to building one until now. That being [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Basic Skills to Max? If you like Berserk, then 20 Berserk 10 Weapon Mastery (at least) 20 Battle Orders 1-5 or 5-10 WarCry (esp if not using a shield, since Berserk steals your Defense) 1 Battle Command 1 Leap Attack 1 Increased Speed 1 Find Item You can stick a point or 3 into Grim Ward, but I never use it much However many needed in Natural Resist With the new and improved monsters of 1.10, Howl and Taunt are your friends. I suggest at LEAST 1 point in each of those.
Even with 5 pts in Warcry, I think that is only 70 or so points. That leaves lots of room to play with. You could max another attack skill, but Concentrate will work against the Magic Immunes, it gets a damage synergy from BO. If you have to spend the points, I suggest more into Weapon Mastery if your to-hit is low, or you can put some points into the Warcries to make them more effective.
> What about everything else? Stats just enough for gear, all the rest into Vit
> Are my questions too vague? Yup, but most quetions like this usually are.
> What is a mouse when it flies? Stuck in Dumbo's hat?
short
Last2Know - 24 Feb 2005 18:31 GMT > I have never built a barb... gave plenty of that equipment away in the > past... but never got around to building one until now. That being [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Are my questions too vague? The most common build in 1.10 is Max Concentrate, Max Battle Orders, Max a weapon mastery, at least 1 pt in Berserk, Shout, Iron Skin, Natural Resistance, Battle Command Leap Attack (for pseudo teleport), Taunt (neutralizes archers), and pre-reqs. My recommendation would be to put remaining points from this build into War Cry for crowd control.
In 1.09 the comparative damage from Berserk was twice as high as it looked because of the global 50% physical resistance of monsters on hell level. That gave some compensation for the facts that Berserk puts your defense and leeching at 0. In 1.10 where that is no longer true, and monster attacks (particularly from groups of archers) are more powerful, Berserk went from being a variant build to a hardly used build. The 1.10 changes to WW were also unkind, partly because the skill itself continued its trend of getting more nerfed with every release and partly because groups of mana burning monsters are very common in 1.10 and WW lets a char get stuck in the middle of a group with no mana.
Double Swing synergizes with Frenzy, so if you go that route you will probably want high points in both those skills).
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> What is a mouse when it flies? > > RegNitto - I need more coffee royls@telus.net - 24 Feb 2005 19:43 GMT >I have never built a barb... gave plenty of that equipment away in the >past... but never got around to building one until now. That being >said (i feel like a newb), I'd like some advise. Currently, my newly >created barb (RegArion) is level 24 and ready to take on the ancients. >8 skill points have been saved up. SC or HC? SP or realm? What are your goals for this char?
>WW or Berserk? Or Frenzy, Double Throw, or Concentrate?
>Basic Skills to Max? Definitely BO and probably weapon mastery, depending on build and strategy. But wait until late NM to boost your mastery.
>What about everything else? Your big strategic decisions as a barb are skill type (will you double wield, double throw, two-hand wield, or use a shield?) and weapon type, for your mastery. The latter choice can be postponed until well into NM. In fact, you can even postpone choosing your skill type while you max BO and fill in prerequisites.
>Are my questions too vague? You just haven't provided enough information about your goals.
>What is a mouse when it flies? Airborne.
-- Roy L
Mickey - 24 Feb 2005 21:36 GMT > I have never built a barb... gave plenty of that equipment away in the > past... but never got around to building one until now. That being [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > WW or Berserk? I have a single point in double swing that has been my > main attack since the beginning and I'm leaning toward Berserk. Neither. If you really want to have fun with a barb, make a 2 axe frenzy barb. You can start out with a pair of Butcher's Pupils and progress from there.
> Basic Skills to Max? BO, frenzy and axe mastery, and pump up the synergies. A few points in IS and NR and maybe shout.
> What about everything else? See above.
> Are my questions too vague? what questions? :o)
> What is a mouse when it flies? A bat or a flying mouse.
> RegNitto - I need more coffee You've had too much already,
Mickey
Last2Know - 25 Feb 2005 13:20 GMT >> I have never built a barb... gave plenty of that equipment away in > the [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > frenzy barb. You can start out with a pair of Butcher's Pupils and > progress from there. It's fun to run fast, but worth pointing out to a Barb novice that in 1.10, compared to Frenzy, a Concentrate barb with a two handed weapon will generally do more damage per unit time with an non interruptable attack and much higher defense. His attack will be slower, but the combination of higher enhanced damage for a given number of skill points (assuming both builds max Battle Orders which only synergizes Concentrate) and the higher damage of the two handed weapon should overcome the difference in speed. Besides the infamous IK set - available for Concentrate and not frenzy - using gear like Highlord's Ammy (no resists), Gore Riders (no resists), and Duress Armor (only 15% to most resists) to enhance damage would leave most Barbs looking for the extra resists available on a shield - also not an option with Frenzy.
>> Basic Skills to Max? > [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > Mickey Mickey - 25 Feb 2005 17:01 GMT > >> I have never built a barb... gave plenty of that equipment away in > > the [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > Barbs looking for the extra resists available on a shield - > also not an option with Frenzy. True, but frenzy is just more fun. The real riot is when you equip two Gimmershreds. Firstly, you don't need to worry about PIs, as the elemental damage 2 of those 2 is enormous. Secondly, you can also drop points into throwing for dealing with OKs.
Mickey
Oliver Wenzel - 24 Feb 2005 22:42 GMT Hi,
"RegNitto" <RegNitto@hotmail.com> wrote in news:1109263940.856841.69430 @l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com:
> I have never built a barb... gave plenty of that equipment away in the > past... but never got around to building one until now. That being > said (i feel like a newb), I'd like some advise. Currently, my newly > created barb (RegArion) is level 24 and ready to take on the ancients. > 8 skill points have been saved up. at level 51 you or your merc can get a DELIRIUM helmet (LEM, IST, IO). This is all the crowd control you'll ever need. So you only need to put skill points in Shout, Battle Orders and Battle command. Also, as BC/BO/Shout are the basic warcries of each barb, I always try to time them so at least Shout/Battle Command last about the same time. So I always know that after about 3-4 minutes I have to yell them again.. One other Warcry (one point is enough mostly) is Find Item which gives a second chance for loot from a body.
Five hard points in Iron Skin/Natural Resists together with +skills give a nice basic pool of additional defense and resists.
I don't like Frenzy too much. Wait and see if you like it, before you put too many points in. It receives synergies from Taunt and Double Swing and I wouldn't put skills points there..
OTOH, Concentrate gets 10% damage per BO level, which you are going to max anyhow. Level 15 Conc with maxed BO has 200% AR, 340% damage and 240% def. Level 15 Frenzy with 20 Taunt has 320% damage and 200% AR. You still need lots of BO, so that costs you 55 skill points against 35 with Conc/BO.
Frenzy can still be a one-point wonder. First attack with Frenzy for the speed bonusses, then switch to Conc using the speed-up attack..
The most versatile weapons are axes. There's a bunch of runewords for them, they are quite fast and crafting Blood axes can get amazing results. I especially like the Kingslayer runeword. It has +1 Vengeance as your skill of choice against physical immune/stone skin guys.
If you can get a LO rune, look at the Fortitude (armor) runeword. It has a built-in might merc (300% Enhanced damage), a somewhat weaker Defiance merc (20% ctc level 15 Chilling armor), some resists and other good stuff. Now just hire a Holy Freeze merc and you are set..
Hmm, I've got the sudden urge to go and build this guy..
Regards,
Oliver
~misfit~ - 25 Feb 2005 05:31 GMT > Hi, > [quoted text clipped - 46 lines] > > Hmm, I've got the sudden urge to go and build this guy.. So have I, minus the Fortitude as the closest I've got to a Lo is two Mals which I'd have to cube for the Delerium. Especially as I have had Stormshield, Medusa's Gaze, Head Hunter's Glory and Spike Thorn on a mule for ages now and really want to use at least one of them before the re-set. 35% damage reduction on Stormshield? How cool is that? With a SoE and a Harly I could easilly get in excess of 50% damage reduction.
Hmm, don't have runes for Kingslayer but there are other options. I am partial to Stormlash and have two. PIs are no problem with Stormlash. Sorta goes nicely with Stormsheild too. :-)
I really want to build this guy now but I have three characters I'm working on ATM, a record for me as I usually stick to one at a time. -- ~misfit~
Oliver Wenzel - 25 Feb 2005 06:11 GMT Hi,
>> If you can get a LO rune, look at the Fortitude (armor) runeword. It >> has a built-in might merc (300% Enhanced damage), a somewhat weaker [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > With a SoE and a Harly I could easilly get in excess of 50% damage > reduction. my level 68 SP Pally Ranger is currently trying a combo of upgraded Shaftstop, Harley and Soe with a total of 51% damage reduction. Without it, he was taking really heavy damage from thos Claw Vipers and Succubus in NM Act5 (especially in the Icy Cellar for the Anya Quest). I shall see how he does with this combo. And he had resists like 76/77/80/76 while searching for Anya.
> Hmm, don't have runes for Kingslayer but there are other options. I am > partial to Stormlash and have two. PIs are no problem with Stormlash. > Sorta goes nicely with Stormsheild too. :-) Stormlash is level 82, but you could try a Crescent Moon axe until then.
Regards,
Oliver
~misfit~ - 25 Feb 2005 07:29 GMT > Hi, > [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > Quest). I shall see how he does with this combo. And he had resists > like 76/77/80/76 while searching for Anya. I forgot Shaftstop. With a Shaft Boneweave he'd have in excess of 80% damage reduction!!!!!
>> Hmm, don't have runes for Kingslayer but there are other options. I >> am partial to Stormlash and have two. PIs are no problem with >> Stormlash. Sorta goes nicely with Stormsheild too. :-) > > Stormlash is level 82, but you could try a Crescent Moon axe until > then. Yep, it sure is. I am so bummed that you can't make Cresent Moon in a mace(flail) as I'd be using mace mastery. I didn't realise it couldn't be done and spent ages looking for, and was really happy when I found, a three-socket superior scourge. Luckily shady said to me "Are you sure you can make it in maces"? just as I was about to drop the Shael in, the Shael wouln't have hurt me but I would have been bummed if I'd wasted an Um in it. -- ~misfit~
Oliver Wenzel - 25 Feb 2005 07:40 GMT Hi,
>> Hi, >> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > I forgot Shaftstop. With a Shaft Boneweave he'd have in excess of 80% > damage reduction!!!!! I believe damage reduction is capped at 50% (at least in Hell diff). I had to equip some rings/ammus with lots of Strength to meet the 158 STR requirement on the upgraded Shaftstop.
>> Stormlash is level 82, but you could try a Crescent Moon axe until >> then. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > in, the Shael wouln't have hurt me but I would have been bummed if I'd > wasted an Um in it. -- Duh, I hope you didn't put too many skill points in mace mastery. If you have some +skills, you can get away with 5 hard points in a mastery. I'd try to get some combat masteries +skill charms, as this increases a lot of your base skills.
Regards,
Oliver
Shiflet - 25 Feb 2005 07:48 GMT > I believe damage reduction is capped at 50% (at least in Hell diff). Yep, but it's 50% cap in all difficulties, not just Hell.
> Oliver ~misfit~ - 25 Feb 2005 08:35 GMT >> I believe damage reduction is capped at 50% (at least in Hell diff). > > Yep, but it's 50% cap in all difficulties, not just Hell. Thanks for the confirm Shiftlet. -- ~misfit~
~misfit~ - 25 Feb 2005 10:33 GMT > Hi, > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >> > I believe damage reduction is capped at 50% (at least in Hell diff). Ahh, Ok, thanks for that.
> I had to equip some rings/ammus with lots of Strength to meet the 158 > STR requirement on the upgraded Shaftstop. Stormshield's 156 anyway, Medusa's Gaze is 219.
>>> Stormlash is level 82, but you could try a Crescent Moon axe until >>> then. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > mastery. I'd try to get some combat masteries +skill charms, as this > increases a lot of your base skills. This is a theoretical build, I haven't started him yet. Yeah, I usually don't max masteries anyway. All my barbs up until now have been dual-weilding frenzy barbs. This will be my first single weapon and shield build. I take it concentrate is the way to go? I'm ignorant of barb builds other than frenzy barbs. -- ~misfit~
Shiflet - 25 Feb 2005 07:46 GMT > I forgot Shaftstop. With a Shaft Boneweave he'd have in excess of 80% damage > reduction!!!!! Percentage Damage Reduction is capped at 50%. No matter how much % DR you have, you'll never take less than 50% damage. You CAN combine it with just plain damage reduced by X though, which is not capped.
> -- > ~misfit~ > > ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- > http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups > ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- ~misfit~ - 25 Feb 2005 12:07 GMT >> I forgot Shaftstop. With a Shaft Boneweave he'd have in excess of >> 80% damage reduction!!!!! > > Percentage Damage Reduction is capped at 50%. No matter how much % > DR you have, you'll never take less than 50% damage. You CAN combine > it with just plain damage reduced by X though, which is not capped. Ok, thanks again Shiftlet, much appreciated. -- ~misfit~
short - 28 Feb 2005 17:43 GMT > > Hi, > > [quoted text clipped - 53 lines] > 35% damage reduction on Stormshield? How cool is that? With a SoE and a > Harly I could easilly get in excess of 50% damage reduction. Heh, nice dusty stash you have there, sir!
> Hmm, don't have runes for Kingslayer but there are other options. I am > partial to Stormlash and have two. PIs are no problem with Stormlash. Sorta > goes nicely with Stormsheild too. :-) > > I really want to build this guy now but I have three characters I'm working > on ATM, a record for me as I usually stick to one at a time. Max Block Stormlash/shield Concentrate guy could be fun for sure.
short
~misfit~ - 28 Feb 2005 21:51 GMT >> So have I, minus the Fortitude as the closest I've got to a Lo is >> two Mals which I'd have to cube for the Delerium. Especially as I [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >> > Heh, nice dusty stash you have there, sir! Heh, you're not joking there.
>> Hmm, don't have runes for Kingslayer but there are other options. I >> am partial to Stormlash and have two. PIs are no problem with [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Max Block Stormlash/shield Concentrate guy could be fun for sure. Cool, then that's what I'll do when one of my current characters loses it's appeal. I've never played a Conc barb before, believe it or not, every barb I've ever made has been fenzy. -- ~misfit~
Alan Ladd - 25 Feb 2005 05:32 GMT >at level 51 you or your merc can get a DELIRIUM helmet (LEM, IST, IO). >This is all the crowd control you'll ever need. So you only need to put >skill points in Shout, Battle Orders and Battle command. Here's the stats for Delirium:
1% Chance To Cast Level 50 Delirium* (morph) When Struck 6% Chance To Cast Level 14 Mind Blast When Struck 14% Chance To Cast Level 13 Terror When Struck 11% Chance To Cast Level 18 Confuse On Striking +2 To All Skills +261 Defense +10 To Vitality 50% Extra Gold From Monsters 25% Better Chance of Getting Magic Items Level 17 Attract (60 Charges)
I don't see much there that will help with crowd control other than the 11% chance to cast Confuse. The other CTC mods are based on getting hit which is not my idea of a good offense. I suppose the Attract charges can be good to take some of the heat of you. Quite an expensive helm just for Attract charges and chance to Confuse. The +2 all skills seems to be the best thing going for this runeword.
Hmmm I really do have a knack for finding ways not to like the high level runewords :-)
Alan
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Oliver Wenzel - 25 Feb 2005 06:11 GMT Hi,
>>at level 51 you or your merc can get a DELIRIUM helmet (LEM, IST, IO). >>This is all the crowd control you'll ever need. So you only need to put [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > expensive helm just for Attract charges and chance to Confuse. The +2 > all skills seems to be the best thing going for this runeword. I mostly put the helmet on my mercs.. Monsters are either confused or terrored after 2 or 3 seconds. At level 13/18, the radius of the spells is quite large, so, for example, the combo with a Reaper's Toll works like a charm. Monsters farther away from battle will stay in Terror/Confuse and the one's merc and me are battling will be Decrep'ed (from Reaper's).
Mind you, but Delirium just works great as a crowd control means. And the runes aren't really that expensive (2 MAL = 1 IST)..
Regards,
Oliver
Mickey - 25 Feb 2005 17:02 GMT > >at level 51 you or your merc can get a DELIRIUM helmet (LEM, IST, IO). > >This is all the crowd control you'll ever need. So you only need to put [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > I don't see much there that will help with crowd control other than > the 11% chance to cast Confuse. Which, for a frenzy barb, would mean they are all confused all the time
:) Mickey
~shady angel~ - 26 Feb 2005 00:43 GMT >>> at level 51 you or your merc can get a DELIRIUM helmet (LEM, IST, >>> IO). This is all the crowd control you'll ever need. So you only [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > Mickey Like my barb cast weaken on striking and IM so they are all infected all the time.
 Signature ~shady angel~
~shady angel~ - 25 Feb 2005 07:21 GMT > I have never built a barb... gave plenty of that equipment away in the > past... but never got around to building one until now. That being [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Are my questions too vague? Why not a furnzy barb? I don't know anything about other barb's, :o) good luck my lil' necro is now level 30 about to face ancients and he never (knock on wood dies).
 Signature ~shady angel~
> > What is a mouse when it flies? > > RegNitto - I need more coffee
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