I think it was jerk-o <jerk-o@yomomma.org> that wrote something
like...

The problem isn't so much in changing the password as getting word out
what the new password is without it becoming pointless to change the
password.

Ashen Shugar

I'm not certain the people causing trouble are getting the password via
the newsgroup. I think they're guessing or it's word of mouth. Since
this problem got worse recently, I think it's likely someone opened the
door to someone who wasn't trustworthy who passed the word on to others.

One thing that could be done is to change the password, announce it
here, and see if the same troublemakers come back. At the very least,
we'd learn if the troublemakers were actually reading the group or if
they were a link in a chain that is now broken.

If that fails, then one can consider more drastic options like e-mail or
getting the password from another AGD person who is frequently online
and knows enough about the group to assess people based on posting names
or what-not (people like Shiftlet or Orion Ryder). I don't have a
problem with giving the password only to people who actively post or are
well-known to those who actively post and who can vouch for them.

Based on how the AGD games seem to be going (and I stopped going to them
long ago because of various problems which seem to have gotten worse), I
think there's not much to lose in changing the password. What's the
point of attracting good newcomers if they are quickly scared off by the
bad behavior of griefers? The whole point is to provide a good
environment which people are more comfortable playing in compared to
public games.

Personally, I don't care either way ATM (and won't until the ladder is
reset and I make a return to realms) but I can promise that when I do
return, I won't be in AGD games if the password hasn't been changed and
this problem hasn't been addressed in some assertive fashion.

Shari

Excellent point ald. I think we leave things as they are, maybe I build a
PvP character and learn how to use it.
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~misfit~

the problem is getting it onto the public mules, AIS before, they're coming
in and being A**holes, anything on the ground is fair game as far as they're
concerened, so unless you have 2 sets of cd keys you have to leave items
somewhere and thats when they snag things.
I've had another begging for items in both normal and hell games.

These are the same people who have been causing trouble with Katyie and
Misfit over the last month or so.

I'm not saying we must change passwords I'm just wondering if anyone else
has suggestions. Maybe firing up the bots and going into the chat channel to
see who is playing where, but thats the same as changing the password and
those who dont know the commands etc. still wont be able to find us.
These people dont seem to take hints and think its a joke if you PK them so
its hard to chase them away

Craig

Ok, maybe I'm thickheaded, but I found them funny.  Well not them, but
the comments by other AGD regulars in response to their behavior while
in game are funny :)

A lot of the items on the agdpub haven't been touched for a while,
perhaps if we throw those out, there won't be a need for a 2nd mule.
But if you are going to start another one, why not just let the
password to be the same as the first one?  CymTyr (from agd2) just
started a new account btw, *agdmule1 IIRC.

Gotta agree with Roy on this one. The AB games have a password that
changes daily. You go to the website and login to find the PW for the
day, then go to the standard games (HC, SC, Ladder, Nonladder). AB
games are very similar to AGD games, more friendly if you can believe
it. No one there is rude, or unpleasant, or grabby; or else they
aren't there for long. Their games are just for questing, so you could
still use the AGD games (w/ the daily PW) for muling and rushing. With
the pool of D2 players shrinking all the time, it would be a plus for
all.

The only down side, some of you would have to give up your Maphack.

Regards-
Mark

Bongo-Fury

foobear <bearmac@hotmail.com> typed as if devouring a plate of spoo:

Holy crap. I guess I've missed out on all the craziness playing in the AGDNM
games"

Wrong solution, IMNSHO. If we adopt this attitude, the griefers win.
These are *our* games, not theirs, so we can't let that happen. Yeah,
I certainly wouldn't use them for muling anymore, sad as that is to
say, unless one of my trusted friends was kind enough to hold stuff
for me (passed through the trade window). The only other solution I
see is the old tried and un-true one, creating your own game for
muling, burning it in, and praying that it stays while you get the
other character.

For drops of stuff we don't want, the only solution I see is the same,
make another game and whisper to people you know (*not* Dingogirl
a.k.a. HellsGuardian, or whatever the second account is) the
name/pass. It'll only last about 5 minutes, if no one goes to grab
things (which *I* basically try not to, too much playing "pure" in SP
;-) ), so the solution is *far* from perfect, but I don't see any
other way :-(

ald
"Knowledge is Power"
VK`Sister`ald level 47 Rogue (HF V&K) (RIP :-( )
Matriarch Sis-West level 82 Bowazon (US West)
Champion RingsNThngs level 61 Bowazon (US West)
Slayer ZannEsu-ald level 51 Sorceress (US West)
Matriarch Sis-AR level 99 Bowazon (Ancestral Recall Mod)
Champion Creepy-AR Level 91 Necromancer (AR)
Slayer Zan-AR Level 79 Sorceress (AR)
Slayer SisEight-AR Level 78 Bowazon (AR)
Gems-AR Level 55 Barbarian (AR)
Matriarch Sis-otSEye Level 78 Bowazon (US West, co-op)
BtaSisEight-ald Level 50 Bowazon (LoD 1.10 SP)
Aragorn-AR Level 51 Zealadin (AR)
Champion LTwoSis-ald Level 79 Bowazon (US West Ladder)
CotSRSig #16

Sory to hear that Mike. What were the names of the characters involved?
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~misfit~