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Game Forum / Role Playing Games / Diablo / December 2004[OT] so should i buy WoW?
Hello, gerbils. I could ask in a group about Warcraft but I don't see the point in that. Anyone here playing? Is is it all that and a bag of chips? I was considering buying it after Christmas but I have never played a MMORPG, so I dunno... I recently installed Starcraft and it has ate up most of my time. I have had it four five years but I never had played it until now. Go figure. I have not had the desire to go back to D2 as of yet. > Hello, gerbils. I could ask in a group about Warcraft but I don't see > the point in that. Anyone here playing? Is is it all that and a bag [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > have had it four five years but I never had played it until now. Go > figure. I have not had the desire to go back to D2 as of yet. I'd wait a few weeks until the stores get some back on hand - at least that's the vibe I've got on how good its selling. Keep an eye out for SvH and Chainbreaker and a few others reports to see if the patch downloads have improved. There is an impressions thread started a few days ago you can look into for now. >I recently installed Starcraft and it has ate up most of my time. I >have had it four five years but I never had played it until now. Go >figure. I have not had the desire to go back to D2 as of yet. Like D1, StarCraft was a work of genius. It was far better than anything in its category (RTS) when it was released, and most tellingly, unlike D1, still has not been surpassed seven years later. When you have done all the campaigns, the custom maps are a good challenge. MP on Bnet is an order of magnitude more challenging again. Unfortunately, there are cheaters on Bnet, but you can also up the challenge level by playing the campaigns and custom maps in MP mode (i.e., no save/loading). -- Roy L > >I recently installed Starcraft and it has ate up most of my time. > > Like D1, StarCraft was a work of genius. It was far better than > anything in its category (RTS) When I got SC years ago, I played it for about half an hour and said 'this is just Warcraft with space guys'. So I set it aside and didn't touch it again till recently. It's got a few more bells and whistles than WC, but it's hardly a work of genius. WC was the first RTS from Blizzard, so it's the real groundbreaker. > when it was released, and most > tellingly, unlike D1, still has not been surpassed seven years later. I picked it up again recently and played through all the SC campaigns and most of the way through the first Broodwar campaign before I got bored with it. It's a good game, but nothing special. I've played some other RTS's too: Age of Empire series, Command and Conquer series, and Homeworld mostly. They each have their nice points, but none are head and shoulders above the rest. I still like WC the best. Regards- Mark Bongo-Fury >> >I recently installed Starcraft and it has ate up most of my time. >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >When I got SC years ago, I played it for about half an hour and said 'this >is just Warcraft with space guys'. You were wrong. The balance, depth, variety and artistry of SC are an order of magnitude above WC. >So I set it aside and didn't touch it >again till recently. It's got a few more bells and whistles than WC, but >it's hardly a work of genius. No, actually it is a work of genius. It virtually defined PC gaming for a huge number of people, and is still enormously popular. In Korea, it was so popular that TV channels were devoted to it, and people would go on dates to dedicated StarCraft cafes. SC is to RTS what Half-Life is to FPS. >WC was the first RTS from Blizzard, so it's >the real groundbreaker. It was groundbreaking, just not very good. >> when it was released, and most >> tellingly, unlike D1, still has not been surpassed seven years later. > >I picked it up again recently and played through all the SC campaigns and >most of the way through the first Broodwar campaign before I got bored with >it. You haven't nearly touched the depths of the game. When you can complete the BW campaigns, you'll have some minimal skills. >It's a good game, but nothing special. Its impact on the PC gaming community and culture proves it _is_ something special. >I've played some other RTS's too: >Age of Empire series, Command and Conquer series, Both junk compared to SC. >and Homeworld mostly. A little better, and a bit of a different concept, but still lacking the depth, humor, balance and sheer artistry of SC. >They >each have their nice points, but none are head and shoulders above the rest. >I still like WC the best. IMO WC is also junk compared to SC. -- Roy L >>I've played some other RTS's too: >>Age of Empire series, Command and Conquer series, > >Both junk compared to SC. I'd have to disagree, AoE and AoK are a brilliant set of games. Stephen http://adrr.com/hero/diablo.htm http://adrr.com/story/ > >>I've played some other RTS's too: > >>Age of Empire series, Command and Conquer series, > > > >Both junk compared to SC. > > I'd have to disagree, AoE and AoK are a brilliant set of games. thus is why they are opinions and why flame wars often tend to be pointless. AoE and SC/bw are both good imo but the koreans do love SC > Stephen > http://adrr.com/hero/diablo.htm > http://adrr.com/story/ >>>> I've played some other RTS's too: >>>> Age of Empire series, Command and Conquer series, [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > thus is why they are opinions and why flame wars often tend to be > pointless. AoE and SC/bw are both good imo but the koreans do love SC Sure, the old saying, "Opinions are like a.sholes, everyone's got one and often other people find them disagreeable". Or did I just make that up? FWIW, here's my metaphoric a.shole: I have both SC (with BWs) and the AOE/AOK/AOM series and, of the lot, the only one I go back and play is AOE expansion (Gold) on our LAN with Shady. Occasionally AOM on LAN as well but not often. Our favourite LAN games are AOE and WC III, both played cooperatively. (We both learnt a long time ago not to play *against* each other, not great for a relationship where both take their gaming seriously and can be competitive). I don't play any of them on-line. So if replayability is any indicator, I think AOE is better than SC. <shrugs>. -- ~misfit~ I think it was "~misfit~" <misfit61nz@hooya.co.nz> that wrote something like... >>>>> I've played some other RTS's too: >>>>> Age of Empire series, Command and Conquer series, [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >Sure, the old saying, "Opinions are like a.sholes, everyone's got one and >often other people find them disagreeable". Or did I just make that up? What I remember, and I have no idea where I would have heard it first, is "Opinions are like a.sholes. Everyone's got one and most of them stink" Ashen Shugar  SignatureThe lions sing and the hills take flight. The moon by day, and the sun by night. Blind woman, deaf man, jackdaw fool. Let the Lord of Chaos rule! > >>>>> I've played some other RTS's too: > >>>>> Age of Empire series, Command and Conquer series, [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > is "Opinions are like a.sholes. Everyone's got one and most of them > stink" my point however poorly put was that. bicker all you want but we just won't come to a conclusion. One could point to sales however. > Ashen Shugar I think it was "flame_thrower" <skankyxwhore400@charter.net> that wrote something like... >> >>>>> I've played some other RTS's too: >> >>>>> Age of Empire series, Command and Conquer series, [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] >my point however poorly put was that. bicker all you want but we just won't >come to a conclusion. One could point to sales however. Which just goes back to marketing, brand name, etc, not game quality. You can't get out of it. There is no escape. Bickering is what makes usenet fun! ; ) Ashen Shugar SignatureThe lions sing and the hills take flight. The moon by day, and the sun by night. Blind woman, deaf man, jackdaw fool. Let the Lord of Chaos rule! > >> >> thus is why they are opinions and why flame wars often tend to be > >> >> pointless. AoE and SC/bw are both good imo but the koreans do love SC [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > You can't get out of it. There is no escape. Bickering is what makes > usenet fun! ; ) true. One could also make a very unhealthy snack and smack a label "atkins approved" on it and watch sales take off. The kind of products GNC sells here in the US - non FDA tested mostly and statements which don't have to be true. > Ashen Shugar > > >>I've played some other RTS's too: > > >>Age of Empire series, Command and Conquer series, [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > thus is why they are opinions and why flame wars often tend to be pointless. > AoE and SC/bw are both good imo but the koreans do love SC I've tried all of them, AoE and AoK are both very good but SC/BW is timeless. > Hello, gerbils. I could ask in a group about Warcraft but I don't see > the point in that. Anyone here playing? Is is it all that and a bag [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > have had it four five years but I never had played it until now. Go > figure. I have not had the desire to go back to D2 as of yet. I believe you should - but they are having some bandwidth problems right now, and it's not going to get better when 50000 people get a box set of WoW under the tree tommorrow. Don't wait too long, but at least a week or two -LTP :) >> Hello, gerbils. I could ask in a group about Warcraft but I don't see >> the point in that. Anyone here playing? Is is it all that and a bag [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > under the tree tommorrow. Don't wait too long, but at least a week or > two Argh! Didn't think of that, and I was planning an intensive leveling campaign over my New Year break. Things probably wont improve until the first free month is up then. :) cheers, Stu. > I was considering buying it after Christmas ... It appears you have some time to decide. While Christmas shopping I was looking for it, out of curiosity. Sold out in every store. Most clerks I asked just laughed. Apparently Blizzard had released it in limited numbers so as not to tax their servers too much. Most stores expect to not get any more copies till the second week in January. Regards- Mark Bongo-Fury > Hello, gerbils. I could ask in a group about Warcraft but I don't see > the point in that. Anyone here playing? Is is it all that and a bag > of chips? I was considering buying it after Christmas but I have > never played a MMORPG, so I dunno... This is my first foray into the MMORPG world and I've found it very enjoyable and emersive so far. As Flamethrower said, there are some earlier posts on WoW and peoples thoughts just after purchase. svh posted a nice write-up a day or two ago. Some negatives: (well nothings perfect) - Patch Downloads. Every week on Tuesday Night US time, there is a complete server reset and I think we can expect frequent patches, this is a good thing. Problem is that their patching system is erm.. dodgey to say the least. Lots of complaints about not being able to connect and the patch only coming down at 4kb on some systems. - Reading the forums suggests that there are some w.nkers using bots already... this normally wouldn't bother me but when Blizzard start nerfing things like fishing because of botters it really pisses me off. Now I hear there are gold hunting bots... sheesh. - I've noticed similar lag issues to D2. Example: I fire an icebolt at a Wizard. His life bar doesn't move and he doesn't turn to face me. My life bar goes down, I fire again and see no casting or spell graphic. He's still not facing me and his life bar is full. I finally realize what's happening turn to run... dead. :) cheers, Stu. > I recently installed Starcraft and it has ate up most of my time. I > have had it four five years but I never had played it until now. Go > figure. I have not had the desire to go back to D2 as of yet. Great game. Never played this online but loved the single player side. >about Warcraft but Can you play it off line in single play mode like you can play Diablo or Age of Empires or is it on-line only? Stephen http://adrr.com/hero/diablo.htm http://adrr.com/story/ > >about Warcraft but > > Can you play it off line in single play mode like you can play Diablo or Age of > Empires or is it on-line only? On-line only, the first month is free. Mark >>>about Warcraft but >> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > On-line only, the first month is free. > Mark Then $15 a month after that. Same deal as Everquest, I believe? -Marshall > > >about Warcraft but > > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > On-line only, the first month is free. > Mark or is included with the purchase of the game. I was looking at newegg and they've got the 60 day cards for the us $2 off i think in the UK it's going to be around £9 which really is nothing. That less than 5 pints or two packets of fags. You wont even get a decent haircut for that! --------------------------------------------------------- i couldn't care less if i tried, and i will... kinquartzhc LOD is dead.. long live WoW.... > Hello, gerbils. I could ask in a group about Warcraft but I don't see > the point in that. Anyone here playing? Is is it all that and a bag [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > have had it four five years but I never had played it until now. Go > figure. I have not had the desire to go back to D2 as of yet. > Hello, gerbils. I could ask in a group about Warcraft but I don't see > the point in that. Anyone here playing? Is is it all that and a bag [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > have had it four five years but I never had played it until now. Go > figure. I have not had the desire to go back to D2 as of yet. Nope. Buy Thief: Deadly Shadows instead. SP only, but hella fun :) short > > Hello, gerbils. I could ask in a group about Warcraft but I don't see > > the point in that. Anyone here playing? Is is it all that and a bag [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Buy Thief: Deadly Shadows instead. SP only, but hella fun :) This is a blatant troll -- LTP When the llama speaks you listen. Unfortunately the llama hasn't spoken yet. Luc The Perverse <sll_NOSPAM_zm@remove.cc.usu.edu> stared blankly into space for a short while before writing: >>> Hello, gerbils. I could ask in a group about Warcraft but I >>> don't see the point in that. Anyone here playing? Is is it all [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > This is a blatant troll Troll? I read it as meaning that he doesn't play WoW but plays 'Thief' instead, and loves it. How does this qualify as a troll any more than any other post in this thread? SignatureDoc > >> Buy Thief: Deadly Shadows instead. SP only, but hella fun :) > > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > instead, and loves it. How does this qualify as a troll any more than > any other post in this thread? If someone were asking if they should buy a car and I told them to buy a unicycle - that would be a troll too. -- LTP When the llama speaks you listen. Unfortunately the llama hasn't spoken yet. >>>> Buy Thief: Deadly Shadows instead. SP only, but hella fun :) >>> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > If someone were asking if they should buy a car and I told them to > buy a unicycle - that would be a troll too. Yeah, that short is a known, notorious troll and all-round badfellow--one of the worst . . . or best, depending on how you view it. Signaturechainbreaker If you need to email, then chainbreaker (naturally) at comcast dot net--that's "net" not "com"--should do it. > > If someone were asking if they should buy a car and I told them to > > buy a unicycle - that would be a troll too. > > Yeah, that short is a known, notorious troll and all-round badfellow--one of > the worst . . . or best, depending on how you view it. Glad to know you agree -- LTP When the llama speaks you listen. Unfortunately the llama hasn't spoken yet. While pondering glazed doughnuts Luc The Juvenile Troll mistakenly typed :> >> Buy Thief: Deadly Shadows instead. SP only, but hella fun :) :> > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] : When the llama speaks you listen. Unfortunately the llama hasn't spoken : yet. So I guess you're a troll now too since the topic was if someone should buy WoW. Silly boy. It was a related comment to the question. Not a direct answer, but certainly related. Even if it was not related, it's not like it was an attempt to 'troll' for responses. Your post was the first troll in the thread. Of all the people to go after.... -dave > While pondering glazed doughnuts Luc The Juvenile Troll mistakenly typed > : [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > Of all the people to go after.... And short's such a n00b to usenet, some stranger accusing him of being a troll could seriously damage his self-esteem and perhaps cause irreparable harm to his psychic well-being... ;-) Hehe, Happy New Year, boys & girls! -Marshall Marshall <marshall@nospam.com> stared blankly into space for a short while before writing: >> While pondering glazed doughnuts Luc The Juvenile Troll mistakenly >> typed [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > > Hehe, Happy New Year, boys & girls! Well, if this has degenerated into a troll thread, we all know who to blame :) SignatureDoc >> And short's such a n00b to usenet, some stranger accusing him of >> being a troll could seriously damage his self-esteem and perhaps [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Well, if this has degenerated into a troll thread, we all know who to > blame :) Yeah, WHITEDOG!!!!! :D . . . and short, too, just because. Signaturechainbreaker If you need to email, then chainbreaker (naturally) at comcast dot net--that's "net" not "com"--should do it. Luc The Perverse <sll_NOSPAM_zm@remove.cc.usu.edu> stared blankly into space for a short while before writing: >>>> Buy Thief: Deadly Shadows instead. SP only, but hella fun :) >>> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > If someone were asking if they should buy a car and I told them to > buy a unicycle - that would be a troll too. No, they'd just laugh. However, if you suggested they buy a Segway, that might provoke some interesting discussion. But it still wouldn't be a troll. SignatureDoc > Luc The Perverse <sll_NOSPAM_zm@remove.cc.usu.edu> stared blankly > into space for a short while before writing: [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > -- Cool, I'm a troll!!! short - really I'm not, I just gave a suggestion > > > Hello, gerbils. I could ask in a group about Warcraft but I don't see > > > the point in that. Anyone here playing? Is is it all that and a bag [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > This is a blatant troll I'm a bit confused, how is this a troll post? The main question was "so should i buy WoW". I answered the question with NO, buy Thief instead. If I had just said No, would that still be a trolling post. short >>>> Hello, gerbils. I could ask in a group about Warcraft but I don't >>>> see the point in that. Anyone here playing? Is is it all that [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > If I had just said No, would that still be a trolling post. Look short, if you're going to troll don't get all bloody coy on us now! Next time just say that WoW (or the subject in question) is the work of the devil and have done with it. -- ~misfit~ |
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