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If you were making a Plague Javelin amazon...
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Stephen van Ham - 28 Nov 2004 19:27 GMT ... and wanted to pick up a secondary attack, either bow or javelin based, and assuming Lightning Fury is not a desired choice, which would you pick, and why?
I'm currently looking at a few opinions, specifically as they relate to a combo with:
Guided Arrow
Charged Strike, possibly synergised, but only once, from power strike, or possibly those points would go into valkyrie instead. I don't want to make specifically a charged strike amazon, since I have three of those already, but am more interested in using it as a balanced secondary in this case, or...
... Lightning Bolt, although I still need to refresh my memory on the mechanics of this skill.
Thanks.
Shiflet - 28 Nov 2004 19:49 GMT > Charged Strike, possibly synergised, but only once, from power strike, or > possibly those points would go into valkyrie instead. I don't want to make > specifically a charged strike amazon, since I have three of those already, but > am more interested in using it as a balanced secondary in this case, or... I would go with this or Mulitshot, myself.
> Thanks. Stephen van Ham - 28 Nov 2004 20:02 GMT My my, doesn't "Shiflet" <rshiflet@charter.net> look good in that trenchcoat:
>> Charged Strike, possibly synergised, but only once, from power strike, or >> possibly those points would go into valkyrie instead. I don't want to [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >I would go with this or Mulitshot, myself. That's another option. Okay, so let's work up some sort build for that:
20 poison javelin
20 plague javelin
8-10 multiple shot (that's my usual stopping point from days gone by)
1+ point guided arrow for poison immune bosses
Critical strike to ~50% with items (7-8+ points)
Pierce - not sure on this one, not having worked much with plague jav recently. Multi still pierces, but how does the CTC only affecting to central two arrows affect this, or not at all? I think Ash is running a multi zon on West SCL at the moment.
Valkyrie/Decoy investment - lots of flexibility there, especially considering the above might have consumed only 50-60 skill points at a minimum.
Shiflet - 28 Nov 2004 20:16 GMT > 20 poison javelin > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Critical strike to ~50% with items (7-8+ points) All seems fine, here.
> Pierce - not sure on this one, not having worked much with plague jav > recently. Multi still pierces, but how does the CTC only affecting to > central two arrows affect this, or not at all? I think Ash is running a > multi zon on West SCL at the moment. Not sure, there was some discussion on it on B.net forums, but I don't recall specifics. Definitely want at least 1 though, for the multi...
> Valkyrie/Decoy investment - lots of flexibility there, especially considering > the above might have consumed only 50-60 skill points at a minimum. Aye, could be worth pumping.
tcells - 28 Nov 2004 23:54 GMT > ... and wanted to pick up a secondary attack, either bow or javelin based, and > assuming Lightning Fury is not a desired choice, which would you pick, and [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > ... Lightning Bolt, although I still need to refresh my memory on the > mechanics of this skill. how about frozen arrow, try and get as long a freeze as possible (can get from items) and watch cubes turn green and shatter? As for pierce, yes you want it with a high level plague, but you can be less efficient in that dept if necessary.
Stephen van Ham - 29 Nov 2004 01:07 GMT My my, doesn't "tcells" <tcells1@yahoo.com> look good in that trenchcoat:
>how about frozen arrow, try and get as long a freeze as possible (can get >from items) and watch cubes turn green and shatter? As for pierce, yes you >want it with a high level plague, but you can be less efficient in that dept >if necessary. Hehe, I was wondering if someone was going to mention maxed FA. It's a pretty good suggestion, too, and it's certainly not a combo I've tried before (I can specifically remember going max fury/freeze and max guided/freeze, plus of course all the usual 1-10 pointer configs that all the usual bowies pick up, strafers and MS zons etc)
Here's the problem though. Knowing how hard it is to get the motivation to build new characters at the moment (which is to say, I have the motivation to plan out builds, but sitting down and working through the quests is becoming a real chore), and also because I'm getting cramped for space on accounts as it is (I'm trying to keep my ladder set on two accounts, without needing to delete any high level characters that I keep around for testing), I've got this warped idea about trying to combine dexazon and plaguezon into one character. Which might not be as weird as it sounds (okay, it's probably as weird as it sounds)... I'll have a ton of dex and therefore should be able to max out block even when using a splendour shield or pretty anything that isn't a buckler, and titans only requires minimal strength. Which leaves me weighing up need for dex and life boosts on armour (re lionheart mageplate vs something else entirely, like a viper), and skills plus strength plus resists possibly needing to both exist on amulet. Beyond that, since I'm not really going to be a melee attacker even when throwing plagues, hopefully I can get away with less life than a more melee focused zon.
Right, where was I going with that? Oh yeah, freezing (arrow) would be a good choice EXCEPT in this case on a dexazon build if I go that way as it seems a bit of a waste to have that pumped up instead of a physical bow skill, although I'll still one point in freezing for sure, or at the very least on in ice arrow to apply snap freezing (who leaves home without freezing arrow after all?)
tcells - 29 Nov 2004 01:19 GMT > My my, doesn't "tcells" <tcells1@yahoo.com> look good in that trenchcoat: > [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > ice arrow to apply snap freezing (who leaves home without freezing arrow after > all?) heh if you're making a glass cannon who throws plague javelin, you'll want a point in FA.
Just yell out if I'm on and you're building a new char and I'll be happy to grab the enchantress for you.
Dano - 29 Nov 2004 04:12 GMT May I ask you y not LF?
>> ... and wanted to pick up a secondary attack, either bow or javelin >> based, [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > dept > if necessary. Shiflet - 29 Nov 2004 05:20 GMT > May I ask you y not LF? He's tired of using that skill, wants to try something different maybe?
royls@telus.net - 29 Nov 2004 21:00 GMT >... and wanted to pick up a secondary attack, either bow or javelin based, and >assuming Lightning Fury is not a desired choice, which would you pick, and [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >Guided Arrow Good for bosses, of course; and if you have reasonable +skills, you don't have to put a lot of points into it. Strafe is another possibility, but a bit dicey if you're playing HC.
>Charged Strike, possibly synergised, but only once, from power strike, or >possibly those points would go into valkyrie instead. A good strong Valk to make the monsters stand still and attack her while the poison works is extremely helpful when using PJ, especially if you intend to solo much. You might even want to invest a few points in Decoy, although that is not necessary if you have good +skills. The main thing is to have Decoy hot-keyed, and use it a lot. Get in the habit of always having a decoy up when you are fighting.
FA and MS on switch are both interesting choices in combination with PJ: PJ then bow is quite effective in Hell. With MS you'd like some nice +damage mods on your gear and +damage charms, but not +PD, obviously. With either FA or MS, enough +skills on items will mean you won't have to invest many points in them to make them effective in combination with PJ. MS can work with PJ even without a lot of +damage mods, as long as you have good cold damage or another mod that slows the monsters: MS to slow the pack, then PJ to make them sick, then more MS, and they are toast.
-- Roy L
Stephen van Ham - 29 Nov 2004 22:04 GMT My my, doesn't royls@telus.net look good in that trenchcoat:
>>Guided Arrow
>Good for bosses, of course; and if you have reasonable +skills, you >don't have to put a lot of points into it. Strafe is another >possibility, but a bit dicey if you're playing HC.
>>Charged Strike, possibly synergised, but only once, from power strike, or >>possibly those points would go into valkyrie instead.
>A good strong Valk to make the monsters stand still and attack her >while the poison works is extremely helpful when using PJ, especially >if you intend to solo much. Strong valk/decoy/tank yes, solo yes. A strong valk or medium (level 8+) valk/strong decoy to synergise HP and to provide a strong third tank, seems a good idea, not only because of the play style possibilities, but because since I'm not using a second synergised skill, I should have points free. I'm going to need look at what I have in the bank (this will be a heavily twinked character, incidently, SCL west, all dex)
Poison Javelin 20 - Obvious points
Plague Javelin 20 - Obvious points
Critical Strike - To be decided later, based on bow selection
Penetrate - TBDL based on gear
Pierce - ~100% with razortail (around 8-9 points with items)
Multiple Shot 8-10 - Standard allocation from days gone by, and no reason to change now
Magic/Guided Arrow 1
Cold/Ice/Freezing Arrow 1 - Very much in agreement with all, being a fan of FA since D2C days. I'm not going to invest more than one point in it in this case, though, since I'm not planning to use it as a kill skill but as crowd control/coop addition, and I already have a fully synergied FA zon.
Decoy/Valkyrie - I'm going ponder these some more, and run some numbers.
>You might even want to invest a few >points in Decoy, although that is not necessary if you have good >+skills. The main thing is to have Decoy hot-keyed, and use it a lot. >Get in the habit of always having a decoy up when you are fighting. Yes, Decoy is great, and in fact on one of my old zons, I have it maxed.
>FA and MS on switch are both interesting choices in combination with >PJ: PJ then bow is quite effective in Hell. With MS you'd like some [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >slows the monsters: MS to slow the pack, then PJ to make them sick, >then more MS, and they are toast. Multi + Plague is looking like a good combo as far as major points investment, with one pointers in Freezing and Guided Arrow, and I'll pick up Lightning Bolt as a pre-req for Plague anyway, so I'll be able to experiment with it in the high dexterity scenario.
To the poster asking "why no Lightning Fury" - simple reason is I have a half dozen or more Lightning fury based zons (both javazons and hybrids, primarily in combination with Guided Arrow, Freezing Arrow, and Strafe) in the bank already. This is the same reason I'm hesistant to add Strafe to the mix on this build, not necessarily because it's not suited, but because I've done strafe+jav hybrids before, and want something different, so long as there are other options (which indeed there are).
Okay, unless it's expired (and I have a few accounts that I've only just managed to save from 90 day expiry recently), I may still have an old 1.09 plague zon to go have a bit of a play around with before I finalise my choice.
Thanks. Keep the inspiration coming, I need all I can get these days to grind out the boring early quests. ;-)
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