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Shiflet - 21 Oct 2004 13:29 GMT
This has to be a highlight of my PvP career. This one arrogant as hell barb
was in a duel game, getting his a.s kicked by EVERYONE. Seriously, he killed
nobody, but was calling us all noobs. He was moaing about zons shooting him,
he was moaning about ME shooting him, he was moaning about smite, he was
moaning about fireball, basically, everything that killed him was "noob
skill"(I guess whirlwind is the epitome of a veteran skill). I even started
a duel with him with 400 life remaining(I'd just killed a zon but had taken
several hits when he comes running towards me) and STILL kicked his a.s. He
charges onto my screen, amped and damaged from the Widow shots I'd fired at
him as he approached, ran up to me and got killed with 1 smite. Then, he
comes back with a fire sorc...exact same thing happens. I killed him with my
Widowmaker several times, and it was a 1 hit charge kill EVERY time. Pretty
much everyone else killed his sorc, too. So, he leaves, and comes back with
his barb, again, and starts ranting about how if he had better gear he'd pwn
us all. Now here is where it gets good-another player joins that game a
couple minutes later, and starts telling us he's gonna be playing ladder
only, and starts giving items away. The barb runs up to him, and is given an
eBotD collosus blade, a perfect Arreats Face, and some other nice gear. He
then rehostiles everyone, tells us how it's "payback time now, bitches" runs
out towards me(I was the first person he was going to get his revenge on) in
blood moor. He runs up to me, nice new eBotD at the ready, whirls towards
me...gets smited a couple times, dies. Again. Then, despite now having the
gear he was moaning about not having, he STILL proceeds to get killed by
everyone else in the game. The zon killed him again, the other 2 barbs
killed him again, the sorc killed him again. Even when he'd interrupt
someone else's duel, he'd STILL be killed by one of the already damaged
players. Eventually, people had had so much of his moaning and complaining
that they'd stop whatever else they were doing JUST to kill him, at that
point he left, without a single kill to his credit. Just goes to show that
good gear can't make up for an absolutely moronic player behind the
character
~misfit~ - 22 Oct 2004 01:07 GMT
> This has to be a highlight of my PvP career. This one arrogant as
> hell barb was in a duel game, getting his a.s kicked by EVERYONE.
[quoted text clipped - 30 lines]
> show that good gear can't make up for an absolutely moronic player
> behind the character

LOL, the guy certainly wasn't ready for the big time huh?

I enjoy reading these, it's a facet of the game I've never considered
before.
--
~misfit~
Cal - 22 Oct 2004 03:58 GMT
So what would be good tactics for a PvP Barb?

The one time somebody insisted on dueling my barb I just walked up to
his druid/wolf thing and smacked him with my "f.ck off" hammer
(technical barb term) using concentrate until he ran off.  It didn't
occur to me to use whilrwind on a single target.

Cal.
Shiflet - 22 Oct 2004 05:28 GMT
> So what would be good tactics for a PvP Barb?

Not being a barb dueler myself, I can't go real in depth...most tough barb
duelers I see just run(or teleport) to their target then whirl until they
die. TeleWW is really popular, just keep whirlwind on left click, teleport
on right, tele and immediately come out into a WW, very hard to avoid. Some
use Berserk(it's usually a 1-2 hit kill), and just try to go toe to toe, but
against a melee char like a fury wolf or a zealot, losing all def but your
block can leave you vulnerable, so it's a risk. Against a smiter(to whom def
is irrelevant), berserk can be more useful. Also useful against necros,
because their bone armor can't stop it, whereas it can save him from a
couple hits with WW or frenzy. Most barbs go Sword/Shield, 2 weapon barbs
are still usually WW, but use a Beast+eBotD or Beast+Doom, both of which can
do a lot of damage. Lots of barbs like to pre-buff with Enchant from Demon
Limb for the AR boost, as well.

> It didn't occur to me to use whilrwind on a single target.

It mainly works cause it's several hits(usually) in a really short time
span, plus it's hard to hit the barb without getting hit yourself if you're
a melee char.

> Cal.
~misfit~ - 22 Oct 2004 14:48 GMT
> So what would be good tactics for a PvP Barb?
>
> The one time somebody insisted on dueling my barb I just walked up to
> his druid/wolf thing and smacked him with my "f.ck off" hammer
> (technical barb term) using concentrate until he ran off.  It didn't
> occur to me to use whilrwind on a single target.

LOL. You've got a way with words Cal. You certainly have. I'm still
laughing.
--
~misfit~
MIS - 22 Oct 2004 07:53 GMT
> This has to be a highlight of my PvP career.

What character do you generally use for dueling, is there any specific type
that's proved to be the best?
Shiflet - 22 Oct 2004 13:35 GMT
> What character do you generally use for dueling,

My 3 duelists are my smite/charge/bow pally, a hammerdin, and a summon/bone
necro. I also have a FB sorc I could use, but I need to mule her over some
better gear first.

> is there any specific type  that's proved to be the best?

Well, kinda depends on how good the player is, what gear they have, and what
they're dueling. Hammerdin will kill pretty much any melee char unless the
melee char gets lucky or is dueling smart against a hammerdin that isn't.
Enigma hammerdin is even tougher, though they're still at a disadvantage
against ranged attackers. Bone necromancers and wind druids with enigma are
very very powerful as well, especially if they use minions. A decent enigma
windy with summons will kill just about anything except a hammerdin, some
godly geared barbs, and very good sorcs. A bone necro with enigma and a few
summons will kill just about anything but a windy druid and anyone that uses
slow missle. FoH pally can be very dangerous, especially if he has enigma,
but a lot of pro duelers have a stacked resist/absorb setup in stash(4
ptopaz shield, Tgods, Wisp Rings) to counter it, whereas a lot of pubby
duelers do not. Trappers can be tough, especially if they're good with
mindblast, but a lot of them just stand in place surrounded by traps, then
get telekilled or killed from range. Whirlwind assassins can pretty tough if
played right, but hammerdins, barbs, and often lightning javazons will kill
them, smiters do well against them too.

My chars go something like this:
Charge/Smite/Bow pally:Kills most melee chars(shifter druids,
frenzy/conc/berserk barbs, zealots) easy, lightning javazons can go both
ways. I win a lot of the time, but it's usually very close(if I put a CtA on
this guy to give him WCs, I think he will pretty much beat any javazon),
eats bowzons for breakfast, can do well against a lot of sorcs, trappers,
FoHers and hammerdins but will have a hard time beating a good one, almost
no chance against any semi-competent wind druid or bone necro, whirlbarbs
and assassins and other smiters can go either way, really depends on gear
and how good the barb/assn player is. Lately, my victory percentage over
sorcs, trappers, and hammerdins, and even some necros, has greatly
increased...the bow works much better than I'd have expected.

Hammerdin:Kills any melee char, beaten every other hammerdin I've fought,
and kills wind druids. That's really the main reason I duel with him, I
mainly bring him into duel games when there's a windy druid or another
hammerdin being an a.shole and nking or townguarding. He gets put in his
place, then I go back to another char unless someone just really wants to
fight the hammerdin.

Necro:Kills anything but wind druids, some sorcs and trappers, and very
strong enigma barbs. Against another necro it can go either way, but I win
more than I lose.
MIS - 23 Oct 2004 04:43 GMT
> My 3 duelists are my smite/charge/bow pally, a hammerdin, and a
> summon/bone
> necro. I also have a FB sorc I could use, but I need to mule her over some
> better gear first.

Now let me ask you this... when dueling with your necro what happens when
you start losing skellies? Better yet describe a harder fought duel with
your necro and when you lose your skellies.For some reason I have in my mind
that the skellies would be taken out in short order and you would be left
with bone prison and spirit.
Shiflet - 23 Oct 2004 07:16 GMT
> Now let me ask you this... when dueling with your necro what happens when
> you start losing skellies? Better yet describe a harder fought duel with
> your necro and when you lose your skellies.For some reason I have in my mind
> that the skellies would be taken out in short order

Against a windy druid, javazon, or hammerdin, skels fall fast, though skels
aren't needed for hammerdin. Against a melee pally or druid or bowzon I
don't typically lose any skels. Against another necro, I lose 1-2, if that,
cause of the teleport+large revive trick. Sorcs usually take a while to kill
them, but usually dies before inflicting many losses, same with trappers.
But then, I don't typically need skellies for sorcs anyways, it's just
spirit vs spell and is more a matter of whose a better teleporter. A
whirlerbarb usually kills a few, but not before he himself is killed as
well(and against non enigma whirlers, I don't need skels anyways).

> and you would be left  with bone prison and spirit.

Which is enough, in many cases. A great many duels he's won he wins without
ever needing skels.
MIS - 23 Oct 2004 19:57 GMT
> cause of the teleport+large revive trick.

Ok... now explain that:-)
Shiflet - 23 Oct 2004 20:15 GMT
> > cause of the teleport+large revive trick.
>
> Ok... now explain that:-)

If you teleport with a "large" revive(yeti, scarab demon, venom lord, snake,
etc), all your summons teleport as a mass, stay together on top of the
necro, and while they're there, he cannot be hit by spells like bone spirit
or spear, blizzard(it will not hit the necro until the revives are gone),
fireball(though the splash can still affect him), guided arrow, or any other
targetted spell or attack, even ones that pierce and SHOULD hit him.
Christian Albers - 22 Oct 2004 11:34 GMT
[...]

I simply love your dueling reports ... :-)

CA
Shiflet - 22 Oct 2004 13:35 GMT
> I simply love your dueling reports ... :-)

I'm glad, I just figured I'd post them here as a change of pace, heh.

> CA
MIS - 23 Oct 2004 04:45 GMT
> I simply love your dueling reports ... :-)

I do to... it's like getting an ESPN Sports Report:-)) It sounds like he's
got everything Fine Tuned.
Last2Know - 29 Oct 2004 02:03 GMT
> This has to be a highlight of my PvP career.

Hey Shiftlet, I thought of you today while driving, when
I found myself behind a BMW 700 series sedan sporting the
vanity plate  ZEAL2WIN (yeah, even dumber than my
Usenet handle :).
 
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