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Spicelon - 08 May 2008 05:05 GMT
In 1.09 before the Zon got nerfed?  I couldn't wait to trade for my duped
SOJ's so I could spam the trade channels to trade for one.  Is the Buriza
even in the game anymore?  Been a few years since I played.

-gk-
Jake_Mysterio - 08 May 2008 08:34 GMT
> In 1.09 before the Zon got nerfed?  I couldn't wait to trade for my duped
> SOJ's so I could spam the trade channels to trade for one.  Is the Buriza
> even in the game anymore?  Been a few years since I played.
>
> -gk-

Yes the buriza is still there.... Some pplz still use it too.. :)
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Kinlaw - 08 May 2008 17:42 GMT
> In 1.09 before the Zon got nerfed?  I couldn't wait to trade for my duped
> SOJ's so I could spam the trade channels to trade for one.  Is the Buriza
> even in the game anymore?  Been a few years since I played.
>
> -gk-

Also known as the burrito. A burrito and multishot (or strafe). What a
combo. Until you hit an LE that was off the screen, lol.

PS: How was the Zon nerfed? I haven't played for a long while either.
EvilBill - 08 May 2008 17:58 GMT
> Also known as the burrito. A burrito and multishot (or strafe). What a
> combo. Until you hit an LE that was off the screen, lol.
>
> PS: How was the Zon nerfed? I haven't played for a long while either.

Interestingly enough, the Zon was one of the chars for whom almost no
build was nerfed by 1.10. GA doesn't Pierce any more but Strafe was
boosted, Decoy and Valk were boosted, and LF still rocks.
The only build that didn't really get a boost was spearazons. Would be
nice if Jab and Fend synergised, nay?

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Dave Ryan - 08 May 2008 18:01 GMT
While pondering glazed doughnuts Kinlaw <kinlaw62@hotmail.com> mistakenly typed

: > In 1.09 before the Zon got nerfed?  I couldn't wait to trade for my duped
: > SOJ's so I could spam the trade channels to trade for one.  Is the Buriza
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:
: PS: How was the Zon nerfed? I haven't played for a long while either.

I have a zon that used a Buritto all the the way through in the latest
patch.  It was a little difficult toward the end but not too much if you
are patient.  I used multishot as my main attack, although historically
I've always been a strafe type of guy.  So, they are still viable even
without a Harmony or Faith setup.  Not having tried those, I can't give
any comparisons.

I believe the main nerfing of the zon was to remove the piercing/guided
arrow approach to killing single monsters, although they may also have
nerfed damage.  I'm not sure.

-dave
Kinlaw - 09 May 2008 21:35 GMT
> I have a zon that used a Buritto all the the way through in the latest
> patch.  It was a little difficult toward the end but not too much if you
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>
> -dave

So, are Harmony and Faith runewords? What are the bonuses? Sorry for my
newbness, I stopped playing the weekend (yeah, bad timing) that the 1.10
patch came out. When D2 burnout hits, that's it. I missed the Diablo clone
thing too.
Dave Ryan - 12 May 2008 17:24 GMT
While pondering glazed doughnuts Kinlaw <kinlaw62@hotmail.com> mistakenly typed

: > I have a zon that used a Buritto all the the way through in the latest
: > patch.  It was a little difficult toward the end but not too much if you
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: patch came out. When D2 burnout hits, that's it. I missed the Diablo clone
: thing too.

Yes, Faith and Harmony are new runewords for bows.  I haven't used
either one, but Faith is the strongest and harder one to acquire.
Harmony is more manageable.  I'm not sure of the status of these
runewords (if they are ladder only or not)
-dave
Kinlaw - 14 May 2008 21:26 GMT
> While pondering glazed doughnuts Kinlaw <kinlaw62@hotmail.com> mistakenly
> typed
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> runewords (if they are ladder only or not)
> -dave

Wow, ohm and jah. Yep, that's a tall order. Killer stats though: massive
damage, plus to skills.

However, I don't understand one of them:

10% Reanimate As: Returned

What does that mean?

Kin
Bruce Langdon - 14 May 2008 22:56 GMT
>>While pondering glazed doughnuts Kinlaw <kinlaw62@hotmail.com> mistakenly
>>typed
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>
> Kin

"10% Reanimate As: Returned" is a mod for tomb reaver also (unique
cryptic axe).  It gives a 10% change to give you a skeleton from a
corpse.  These are much slower and dumber than necro revives.  They are
mostly useless.

~Demigodess~
~misfit~ - 15 May 2008 01:53 GMT
Somewhere on teh intarweb "Bruce Langdon" typed:

>>> While pondering glazed doughnuts Kinlaw <kinlaw62@hotmail.com>
>>> mistakenly typed
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> corpse.  These are much slower and dumber than necro revives.  They
> are mostly useless.

Actually I find that, when I'm being mobbed by maggot young or similar, the
revives are excellent distractions. They take the heat off the Zon by
offering alternative targets. Also, with Fanatacism from the Faith bow and
Might from the merc they *can* kill monsters in hell (just don't hold your
breath).

In summary; It's not a deal-breaker but they do have their uses. They've
made things easier for my strafer more than once.

Cheers,
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Bruce Langdon - 15 May 2008 03:04 GMT
> Somewhere on teh intarweb "Bruce Langdon" typed:
>
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>
> Cheers,

Distractions are good!

Can you get more than one at a time?  It's probably difficult to get
many.  They don't seem to follow well.

~Demigodess~
Shiflet - 15 May 2008 05:46 GMT
> Can you get more than one at a time?  It's probably difficult to get many.
> They don't seem to follow well.

Yep, you can get multiple ones. They don't follow well, but with
Strafe/Multishot in big packed areas, you get quite a few.

> ~Demigodess~
~misfit~ - 15 May 2008 10:02 GMT
Somewhere on teh intarweb "Bruce Langdon" typed:
>> Somewhere on teh intarweb "Bruce Langdon" typed:
>>> "10% Reanimate As: Returned" is a mod for tomb reaver also (unique
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>
> Distractions are good!

They sure as hell can be at times. :-)

> Can you get more than one at a time?  It's probably difficult to get
> many.  They don't seem to follow well.

Sometimes, like on the River of Flame where there are heaps of young
maggots, I've seen upwards of a dozen on screen at a time. (They show up
woth the Fana aura around their feet.) Usually, with a fast strafer I can
have three or four or more at any one time, depending on the area, monster
size/strength (kill-speeed).

No, they don't follow well. They do follow though albeit usually too late to
be of much good as a mobile army.

Cheers,
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Shaun.

Bruce Langdon - 15 May 2008 18:12 GMT
> Somewhere on teh intarweb "Bruce Langdon" typed:
>
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> have three or four or more at any one time, depending on the area, monster
> size/strength (kill-speeed).

Sounds good for this type of character then.  I've only ever used this
mod by putting a tomb reaver on my merc.  It isn't so useful there.

> No, they don't follow well. They do follow though albeit usually too late to
> be of much good as a mobile army.
>
> Cheers,

Will teleporting drag them with you just like other minions?

~Demigodess~
~misfit~ - 16 May 2008 04:33 GMT
Somewhere on teh intarweb "Bruce Langdon" typed:
>> Somewhere on teh intarweb "Bruce Langdon" typed:
>>
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>
> Sounds good for this type of character then.

It is. More so the more that you go the "glass cannon" route. They add to
your Merc, Valk and Decoy as alternative targets so you don't get slapped
around so much yourself.

> I've only ever used this
> mod by putting a tomb reaver on my merc.  It isn't so useful there.

No, I can see why. Unless of course your merc is killing at the speed of a
Faith-equiped Strafer and the playing character is fragile, needing
alternative targets to distract monsters.

I particularly like it when I'm strafing across a 'moat' (think River of
Flame/Abbadon/Frozen River/Icy Cellar..) or gap (like in the Arcane
Sanctuary). I'll strafe but the monsters keep moving around making it hard
to hit them. As soon as a dead one turns into a 'returned' they all cluster
together to attack it, making it easier to hit them with arrows. Of course,
a decoy does the same thing...

>> No, they don't follow well. They do follow though albeit usually too
>> late to be of much good as a mobile army.
>
> Will teleporting drag them with you just like other minions?

Sadly no. (My ladder strafer, TastesLikeChick, has a SpellSteel on switch
for the teleport charges.)

Cheers,
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Shaun.

Alan Ladd - 17 May 2008 23:29 GMT
>> Will teleporting drag them with you just like other minions?
>
> Sadly no. (My ladder strafer, TastesLikeChick, has a SpellSteel on
> switch for the teleport charges.)

But switching to Spellsteel means you switch weapons too which could be the
reason the revives disappear?
john.d.smith.jr@gmail.com - 19 May 2008 09:45 GMT
> >> Will teleporting drag them with you just like other minions?
>
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> But switching to Spellsteel means you switch weapons too which could be the
> reason the revives disappear?

Though I haven't fired up this game for more than 2 years, I remember
the revives from my sorc's merc's tomb reaver didn't follow upon
teleporting, taking TP/WP, or taking stairs.
Patrick Vervoorn - 12 May 2008 18:14 GMT
>So, are Harmony and Faith runewords? What are the bonuses? Sorry for my
>newbness, I stopped playing the weekend (yeah, bad timing) that the 1.10
>patch came out. When D2 burnout hits, that's it. I missed the Diablo clone
>thing too.

You are aware of:

http://www.battle.net/diablo2exp/items/runewords-110.shtml

?

Regards, Patrick.
Kinlaw - 14 May 2008 21:23 GMT
>>So, are Harmony and Faith runewords? What are the bonuses? Sorry for my
>>newbness, I stopped playing the weekend (yeah, bad timing) that the 1.10
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>
> Regards, Patrick.

Yes, and also of:

http://www.diabloii.net/wiki/Runewords_Weapons (where I have spent way too
much of my life already, heh)

I was just being conversational. I didn't mean for you to give me every
stat.

But I see they have a lot of them.
~misfit~ - 15 May 2008 03:39 GMT
Somewhere on teh intarweb "Kinlaw" typed:

>>> So, are Harmony and Faith runewords? What are the bonuses? Sorry
>>> for my newbness, I stopped playing the weekend (yeah, bad timing)
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
>
> But I see they have a lot of them.

I see that there isn't an example for "Oath" there. Here's one if someone a
bit more wiki-savvy and with a membership to the site wants to use it:

http://test.internet-webmaster.de/upload/1210819103.jpg
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Shiflet - 08 May 2008 21:45 GMT
> PS: How was the Zon nerfed? I haven't played for a long while either.

Guided Arrow doesn't pierce an enemy and keep hittiing it over and over, it
just hits it once.
jcrud - 09 May 2008 00:59 GMT
> In 1.09 before the Zon got nerfed?  I couldn't wait to trade for my duped
> SOJ's so I could spam the trade channels to trade for one.  Is the Buriza
> even in the game anymore?  Been a few years since I played.
>
> -gk-

Currently using buriza on my Strafe Zon and Fury Wolf (Druid).
 
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