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Game Forum / Role Playing Games / Diablo 2 / November 2006Woot - second Anni
I made a clone-sit game tonight before going to bed, but within a minute of making the game, SOJ's are being sold like crazy. 5 minutes later, big D walks, and WutzThatSmackin takes down his second Diablo clone. Last one he took down was less than two weeks ago (or so). I'm glad a UT smiter works so well for the clone. This time he dropped an 18/18/9 - not bad at all (as if any anni is bad). So why is the clone walking so often now? Just looking at AGD2 lately, seems like a lot of us are seeing him lately. Now I gotta go make another clone-sit game & go to bed (happy). Bruce I stopped playing d2 before i ever saw clone d [Furious02 u563550] Games I like to play! <a href=http://www.gamestotal.com/>Multiplayer Online Games</a> <a href=http://www.gamestotal.com/>Strategy Games</a><br><a href=http://uc.gamestotal.com/>Unification Wars</a> - <a href=http://uc.gamestotal.com/>Massive Multiplayer Online Games</a><br><a href=http://gc.gamestotal.com/>Galactic Conquest</a> - <a href=http://gc.gamestotal.com/>Strategy Games</a><br><a href=http://www.stephenyong.com/runescape.htm>Runescape</a><br><a href=http://www.stephenyong.com/kingsofchaos.htm>Kings of chaos</a><br> > I made a clone-sit game tonight before going to bed, but within a > minute of making the game, SOJ's are being sold like crazy. 5 minutes [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Bruce So what! > I stopped playing d2 before i ever saw clone d > > [Furious02 u563550] >>I made a clone-sit game tonight before going to bed, but within a >>minute of making the game, SOJ's are being sold like crazy. 5 minutes [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >> >>Bruce >I stopped playing d2 before i ever saw clone d Shame you didn't also stop spamming us with your BS. Now, you have been asked nicely to stop, now I am asking not so nicely. If you do it ONE more time, I will be on your ISP to put a stop to you. Do not, for one moment, think that munging your email address will help you, I can quite quickly trace it back. Mickey > >I stopped playing d2 before i ever saw clone d > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Mickey f.ck you Mickey...and.. 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Hmmm... nick-shifting... abuse... spamming... barging into an NG to say that we should all stop playing a game we love just because YOU think so (who died and made you supreme arbiter of right and wrong in the universe?) We got a troll. X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com  Signature-- * I always hope for the best. Experience, unfortunately, has taught me to expect the worst. Yahoo: evilbill_agqx Web: http://www.evilbill.org.uk >> >I stopped playing d2 before i ever saw clone d >> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > f.ck you Mickey...and.. Reported to Hotmail and gamestotal. Traceback of IP initaited, I have a TERRIFIC virus all ready to go. Mickey >I made a clone-sit game tonight before going to bed, but within a > minute of making the game, SOJ's are being sold like crazy. 5 minutes [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Bruce I saw the Dclone once and that was last ladder...I didn't take him out custards done that for my main character was a sorc at that time. She didn't stand a chance against him. Congratz on the 2nd anni though. I have an anni and it's a 16/20/5 i think... Nice one... but you're 1 up with claiming 2 of ur own...oh 2 up then.. lol... keep up the good work. SignatureJake Mysterio - The Mysterious One of Nothingness. >I made a clone-sit game tonight before going to bed, but within a > minute of making the game, SOJ's are being sold like crazy. 5 minutes [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Now I gotta go make another clone-sit game & go to bed (happy). A: Congrats on your shiny new toy B: Public duping method that got out a few weeks ago has added to the NL SOJ pool. Mickey > A: Congrats on your shiny new toy > B: Public duping method that got out a few weeks ago has added to the NL SOJ > pool. > > Mickey A: Thanks - I'm pretty happy (and thanks Jake too - glad to see your thumb isn't completely keeping you off the keyboard). B: Figured it was probably something like that. Do you know if the new dupe method is also responsible for the choppy bnet perforance lately? Bruce >> A: Congrats on your shiny new toy >> B: Public duping method that got out a few weeks ago has added to the NL [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > B: Figured it was probably something like that. Do you know if the new > dupe method is also responsible for the choppy bnet perforance lately? It is. As with most duping methods (other than the one employed by the big 3), this method involves lagging a server out. Mickey >>> A: Congrats on your shiny new toy >>> B: Public duping method that got out a few weeks ago has added to the NL [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >It is. As with most duping methods (other than the one employed by the big >3), this method involves lagging a server out. What I don't understand about all this mumbo-jumbo about the 'Big Three' and their duping method (not that I've never seen any concrete evidence of this provided by Mickey beyond some vague handwaving towards secret trusty contacts somewhere who might be implicated), why not bring their mega-super-secret duping method out in the open, so EVERYONE starts using it, and thereby FORCING Blizzard (or whoever is the perpetrator) to close it down....? What's so hard to understand about that? As the cards are right now, the economy is messed up beyond repair anyway, and the only thing that really irritates me most are the 'messy' lag-inducing based dupe methods which SPOIL my FUN from the game. This evening, about 3 out of 4 games started lagging out within approximately 5 to 15 minutes of play. A new, messy, server-lagging/crashing duping method is certainly out there, and is being used big time on Europe... Regards, Patrick. >>>> A: Congrats on your shiny new toy >>>> B: Public duping method that got out a few weeks ago has added to the [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > What I don't understand about all this mumbo-jumbo about the 'Big Three' > and their duping method (not that I've never seen any concrete evidence of Have you seen concrete evidence that this is NOT true? We see the massive amount of runes available, and yet no one seems to know (until the last 3 weeks) how to dupe, and yet the evidence that duping is rampant is right there for you to see. If you prefer to cover your eyes and make assertions to the contrary, by all means, go ahead. After all, tehre are also people who still believe that the world is flat, the moon landing was faked, and that Elvis is alive and pumping gas in Arkansas. > this provided by Mickey beyond some vague handwaving towards secret trusty > contacts somewhere who might be implicated), why not bring their [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > What's so hard to understand about that? A: I do not KNOW how they do it, I only know THAT they do it, I have seen it with my own eyes. B: Nothing hard to understand, Blizzard SUPPORTS this duping, I have explained that before. > As the cards are right now, the economy is messed up beyond repair anyway, > and the only thing that really irritates me most are the 'messy' > lag-inducing based dupe methods which SPOIL my FUN from the game. This > evening, about 3 out of 4 games started lagging out within approximately 5 > to 15 minutes of play. A new, messy, server-lagging/crashing duping method > is certainly out there, and is being used big time on Europe... And the answer to this is NOT to close the hole the big 3 use, as they do not crash servers and subsequently do not cause lag. The solution is to close the hole in the necro dupe. Mickey >The solution is to close the hole in the >necro dupe. What is the necro dupe? >>The solution is to close the hole in the >>necro dupe. > > What is the necro dupe? Not here Jack.... send me an email. Mickey >>>It is. As with most duping methods (other than the one employed by the big >>>3), this method involves lagging a server out. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >who still believe that the world is flat, the moon landing was faked, and >that Elvis is alive and pumping gas in Arkansas. In a scientific way, you don't prove things by stating there's no evidence to the contrary. I also see no evidence which might disprove a claim that elves or gnomes are duping the HRs which are now being sold for ridiculously low prices on the forums I visit. Nor have I seen people disprove it's a bunch of Eskimo's with too much time on their hands. One proves things by supporting them with evidence. The only 'evidence' I have, which is still pretty circumstantial, is that HR prices on d2jsp have gone down a LOT in the last 3 or 4 weeks, while they remained pretty much stable in the period before that (which started after the GMerc bug was fixed). _IF_ 'The Big Three' were involved in massive duping, that would/should have happened a long time ago...? So what we see now is, in my view, not supportive for the claim that somewhere out there 'The Big Three' are duping their a.ses off, but that it IS a confirmation that a new PUBLIC duping method is out there. Which it seems there is. >> this provided by Mickey beyond some vague handwaving towards secret trusty >> contacts somewhere who might be implicated), why not bring their [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >A: I do not KNOW how they do it, I only know THAT they do it, I have seen it >with my own eyes. So what did you see? I run into clowns on B.Net on a daily basis who show me, in many many clumsy ways, they can dupe. I suppose what you 'saw' was, however, a lot more convincing than what I've seen until now, and perhaps you'd like to share that vision with us? So what exactly did you see with your own eyes? No need to name people, just tell us what chain of events that you witnessed convinced you there's a Blizzard-support (perhaps even Blizzard-made) way to dupe 'stuff'? >B: Nothing hard to understand, Blizzard SUPPORTS this duping, I have >explained that before. So, get it out in the open, let Blizzard be embarrassed and humiliated, publicly, so that they HAVE to close it down... Pretty simple...? >> As the cards are right now, the economy is messed up beyond repair anyway, >> and the only thing that really irritates me most are the 'messy' [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >not crash servers and subsequently do not cause lag. The solution is to >close the hole in the necro dupe. Didn't that involve massed of Bone Walls/Bone Prisons? I think I read about this one. Is this, with all other failed/fixed duping methods, the current 'fallback' for the amateur dupers? Anyway, from my viewpoint it's this new/old/rehashed duping method which drove down the HR prices in the last few weeks. Still no indication whatsoever any 'Big Three' are/were involved in this, it seems the small-time amateur dupers have a much bigger influence on the relative prices... Regards, Patrick. >>>>It is. As with most duping methods (other than the one employed by the >>>>big [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > elves or gnomes are duping the HRs which are now being sold for > ridiculously low prices on the forums I visit. Scientific? It's a game, for Christ's sake. > Nor have I seen people disprove it's a bunch of Eskimo's with too much > time on their hands. But I have. > One proves things by supporting them with evidence. But one does NOT betray a confidence. Here's the bottom line here. Those who know me, and know the DEEP connections I have with both Blizzard and some of the stores will know what I say is true, those who choose NOT to take my word for it can frankly f.ck off. I really have ZERO to gain by lying here, and yet you constantly make not very veiled accusations that I do. If this fills some need for your ego, but all means, carry on and live in ignorance, your belief or lack thereof will have ZERO effect on me. I try to inform, you disclaim, and do so without a SHRFED of evidence to support yourself. > The only 'evidence' I have, which is still pretty circumstantial, is that > HR prices on d2jsp have gone down a LOT in the last 3 or 4 weeks, while > they remained pretty much stable in the period before that (which started > after the GMerc bug was fixed). _IF_ 'The Big Three' were involved in > massive duping, that would/should have happened a long time ago...? Pretty circumstantial? ROFLMAO!!! Please, this is a market driven economy, and like ALL free markets, price is set by supply. If the prices are going down, the ONLY reason that can justify it is a massive rise in supply. You want to deny this? By all means, go right ahead, the ostrich denies the existence of the predator, he still gets eaten. > So what we see now is, in my view, not supportive for the claim that > somewhere out there 'The Big Three' are duping their a.ses off, but that > it IS a confirmation that a new PUBLIC duping method is out there. Which > it seems there is. Right, and as such, PROVES my point. The fact that you cannot see this shows that your natural desire to contradict me clouds your judgement. Let us examine, shall we. Runes have been being duped for a long time now, this was obvious by the availability. However, they maintained the same value during the bulk of this ladder. Then, SUDDENLY, the prices drop radically, at the EXACT same time as a public duping method goes out. This CLEARLY shows that PRIOR to this, the duping was done by very few in a VERY controlled manner. This is simply a train of logic that a 10 year old can follow. I am sure you have some gnomes/elves/eskomoes solution that explains this phenomenon just as well, though don't you? >>> this provided by Mickey beyond some vague handwaving towards secret >>> trusty [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > however, a lot more convincing than what I've seen until now, and perhaps > you'd like to share that vision with us? I saw someone take an item I had, and in a matter of 10 seconds, drop 10 of them. This was a rare ring I had gambled in that very game. Care to offer an alternate explanation for how this was done? > So what exactly did you see with your own eyes? No need to name people, > just tell us what chain of events that you witnessed convinced you there's > a Blizzard-support (perhaps even Blizzard-made) way to dupe 'stuff'? I happen to know, for a STONE COLD FACT, that one of the online stores which spams us all on bnet (at least one west), is OWNED and OPERATED by a Blizzard employee. Which store and which employee I will not disclose, as that informationw as given to me in trust, and I do not violate a trust, no matter how hard you try to goad me into doing so. The fact that you have tried so hard questions your own ethics, as no on else here seems to feel that THEIR desire to know is sufficient cause for someone to violate a confidence. >>B: Nothing hard to understand, Blizzard SUPPORTS this duping, I have >>explained that before. > > So, get it out in the open, let Blizzard be embarrassed and humiliated, > publicly, so that they HAVE to close it down... Pretty simple...? Yes, pretty simple, as long as your word means nothing. Easy for you to say of course, as this wasn't told to YOU in confidence. Isn't it easy to tell OTHER people to put a knife in a friend's back, eh? I am begining to think that you would have no issue whatsoever with betraying a confidence. >>> As the cards are right now, the economy is messed up beyond repair >>> anyway, [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > about this one. Is this, with all other failed/fixed duping methods, the > current 'fallback' for the amateur dupers? You want me to post the method here? Are you THAT dense, or have you just gotten to the point where you don't give a sh.t how corrupted the game is? > Anyway, from my viewpoint it's this new/old/rehashed duping method which > drove down the HR prices in the last few weeks. Still no indication > whatsoever any 'Big Three' are/were involved in this, it seems the > small-time amateur dupers have a much bigger influence on the relative > prices... The big 3 were NOT involved in this, as it has severely hurt their cash flow. If you are the ONLY one who knows how to make a commodity that everyone wants, the LAST f.cking THING ON EARTH you want is for people to find an alternate method of making it, neh? Mickey >> In a scientific way, you don't prove things by stating there's no evidence >> to the contrary. I also see no evidence which might disprove a claim that >> elves or gnomes are duping the HRs which are now being sold for >> ridiculously low prices on the forums I visit. > >Scientific? It's a game, for Christ's sake. We're talking about claiming things, and proving these claims are true. You don't do that by saying that there's no evidence to the contrary. Nothing more nothing less. Of course, that was a nice hook for you to get into full ranting mode again, as we've seen here before. Funny that I finally managed to push that button. I'm also curious if I end up in your killfile at the end of this one. ;) >> Nor have I seen people disprove it's a bunch of Eskimo's with too much >> time on their hands. > >But I have. Eskimo's have a lot of spare time on their hands during winter time. ;) >> One proves things by supporting them with evidence. > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >your belief or lack thereof will have ZERO effect on me. I try to inform, >you disclaim, and do so without a SHRFED of evidence to support yourself. I don't do this to 'fill needs for my ego'. The fact that you bring this up as a possible reason for me to do this, says more about you than it does about me. I also don't give a hoot what you think of me; I think that much has been clear for quite a while. I also had very little trouble of getting to that state due to the fact that every time you can, you mentioned the same of yourself vs others. >> The only 'evidence' I have, which is still pretty circumstantial, is that >> HR prices on d2jsp have gone down a LOT in the last 3 or 4 weeks, while [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >want to deny this? By all means, go right ahead, the ostrich denies the >existence of the predator, he still gets eaten. Yes, isn't that what I said? Pretty hard to read stuff someone writes when you're in Full Ranting Mode I suppose? >> So what we see now is, in my view, not supportive for the claim that >> somewhere out there 'The Big Three' are duping their a.ses off, but that [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >Right, and as such, PROVES my point. The fact that you cannot see this shows >that your natural desire to contradict me clouds your judgement. Of course, anyone who questions something you do or claim is automatically categorized as such. Many other people have gone before me, many more will be accused of the same after me. >Let us examine, shall we. Runes have been being duped for a long time now, >this was obvious by the availability. However, they maintained the same [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >follow. I am sure you have some gnomes/elves/eskomoes solution that explains >this phenomenon just as well, though don't you? It was just an example, same as your mentioning of Elvis, Ostriches and other 'wildlife'. ;) >> So what did you see? I run into clowns on B.Net on a daily basis who show >> me, in many many clumsy ways, they can dupe. I suppose what you 'saw' was, [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >them. This was a rare ring I had gambled in that very game. Care to offer an >alternate explanation for how this was done? This is the first time I read this from you. So why didn't you tell us this fine little piece of experience the first time you started handwaving about 'The Big Three'? >> So what exactly did you see with your own eyes? No need to name people, >> just tell us what chain of events that you witnessed convinced you there's [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >that THEIR desire to know is sufficient cause for someone to violate a >confidence. Yes, other people with a much better grasp of the English language have discussed this with you before, so I'm not going to do so again. These people were also, in the exact same way, accused of having 'flawed ethics', etc, etc, bla, bla. Whatever. Been there, read it, not going to rehash it again. You may think of my ethics what you think, I could care less. And know what, you're right. It's not as if these 'trusted' people know of a criminal offence, they're only making money by duping and selling items in a game we all like and love to play. No big deal. It's not as if they murdered someone, then the 'ethics' of whether or not you violate someone's confidence becomes much more difficult. >> So, get it out in the open, let Blizzard be embarrassed and humiliated, >> publicly, so that they HAVE to close it down... Pretty simple...? [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >OTHER people to put a knife in a friend's back, eh? I am begining to think >that you would have no issue whatsoever with betraying a confidence. I have no friends who dupe Diablo 2 items and sell them via online stores. Perhaps because I'm not in the position to have such friends, perhaps because I would not want people with such 'ethics' to be in my friends list....? The rather blunt remark about my ethics is duely noted though. >> Didn't that involve massed of Bone Walls/Bone Prisons? I think I read >> about this one. Is this, with all other failed/fixed duping methods, the >> current 'fallback' for the amateur dupers? > >You want me to post the method here? Are you THAT dense, or have you just >gotten to the point where you don't give a sh.t how corrupted the game is? Thank you for the kind words. I really pushed a button there, didn't I? I don't think getting this out in the open will make any sort of difference: the people who can and want to use this method, have already acquired the knowledge needed. The people who will start doing it after they read it here (supposing it was posted here), will not make the slightest difference to the current state of affairs. And that leaves the people who CHOOSE to not use such knowlege to dupe. Regardless, I don't think the game can get much more corrupted than it is: HRs are now also selling for about Pul-Um in value on SC Europe, so we've finally reached the 'blessed' state USWest has been in for several months. Still the GMerc bug induced duping (and the mega lag following from it) did finally prompt Blizzard to fix this particular bug. I'm afraid we'll have to go through the same period of suckage before Blizzard finally fixes this new duping method/bug.... >> Anyway, from my viewpoint it's this new/old/rehashed duping method which >> drove down the HR prices in the last few weeks. Still no indication [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >everyone wants, the LAST f.cking THING ON EARTH you want is for people to >find an alternate method of making it, neh? As the English saying goes: every cloud has a silver lining. At least getting the Big Three in trouble is a good thing off this. Now, press that PLONK button, I know you want to! Regards, Patrick. >>> In a scientific way, you don't prove things by stating there's no >>> evidence [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Nothing more nothing less. Of course, that was a nice hook for you to get > into full ranting mode again, as we've seen here before. Full ranting mode again? My, but you're turning out to be a real a.shole. > Funny that I finally managed to push that button. I'm also curious if I > end up in your killfile at the end of this one. ;) The fact that you aren't there already is simply a testimony to my patience in dealing with children. Then again, I am the father of 10, so that's not surprising. >>> Nor have I seen people disprove it's a bunch of Eskimo's with too much >>> time on their hands. >> >>But I have. > > Eskimo's have a lot of spare time on their hands during winter time. ;) In other words, no reply. >>> One proves things by supporting them with evidence. >> [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > up as a possible reason for me to do this, says more about you than it > does about me. It tells me that you're a worm to whom a confidence means nothing. > I also don't give a hoot what you think of me; That's good, as I don't think much of you. > I think that much has been clear for quite a while. I also had very little > trouble of getting to that > state due to the fact that every time you can, you mentioned the same of > yourself vs others. You have no morals, so frankly, I can't think of anyone whose opinion would matter less. >>> The only 'evidence' I have, which is still pretty circumstantial, is >>> that [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > Yes, isn't that what I said? Pretty hard to read stuff someone writes when > you're in Full Ranting Mode I suppose? I wasn't ranting, a.shole. I read you loud and clear. All of this has been a VERY poor attempt on your part to get me to betray a confidence. The fact that you would ask this of someone makes it quite clear it is something you would do yourself. Now, while others are entitled to whatever opinions they wish to derive, in my book that makes you a low-life, classless, immoral worm of a sub-human. >>Right, and as such, PROVES my point. The fact that you cannot see this >>shows [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > categorized as such. Many other people have gone before me, many more will > be accused of the same after me. No, just people who try to force someone to betray a confidence, simply because it would suit THEIR need. You are a little snake, and now everyone here knows it. What you don't get yet is that the ploy of saying "tell us or I won't believe you" might work on a child, or someone with a weak ego, it will not work on me. I neither require nor desire your "seal of approval". >>Let us examine, shall we. Runes have been being duped for a long time now, >>this was obvious by the availability. However, they maintained the same [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > It was just an example, same as your mentioning of Elvis, Ostriches and > other 'wildlife'. ;) In other words, no reply. Just rtolling to try and force the betrayal of a confidence, the rest is all fluff. >>> So what did you see? I run into clowns on B.Net on a daily basis who >>> show [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > This is the first time I read this from you. So? > So why didn't you tell us this fine little piece of experience the first > time you started handwaving > about 'The Big Three'? Because I did not need to. You see, those who have played with me for 10 years now, they KNOW who and what I know, they don't need me to paint them pictures. I made it clear I KNEW FOR A FACT, and that was enough. This is not the Supreme Court, we aren't presenting legal cases here. I am under ZERO obligation to devulge sources, nor to post ANYTHING more than my opinion here. The fact that I do on occasion is a convenience on my part, not something I owe anyone. >>> So what exactly did you see with your own eyes? No need to name people, >>> just tell us what chain of events that you witnessed convinced you [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > rehash it again. You may think of my ethics what you think, I could care > less. Flawed ethics? Would you care to make a post and take a survey of this group, and ask how many people would consider it ethical to ask someone to betray a confidence simply to suit your curiosity about a f.cking game? I'm sure you will come up with some witty bullshit here to avoid this. > And know what, you're right. It's not as if these 'trusted' people know of > a criminal offence, they're only making money by duping and selling items > in a game we all like and love to play. No big deal. It's not as if they > murdered someone, then the 'ethics' of whether or not you violate > someone's confidence becomes much more difficult. And yet, I would turn them in instantly.... but they aren't the ones who entrusted me, someone else was, and his trust I will NOT... get it yet... NOT betray, simple because you WANT me to. Shall I hire dancing bears to get this across to you, or has it FINALLY hit home? >>> So, get it out in the open, let Blizzard be embarrassed and humiliated, >>> publicly, so that they HAVE to close it down... Pretty simple...? [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > I have no friends who dupe Diablo 2 items and sell them via online stores. Meaningless, other than a.s a poorly veiled and ineffectual jab at me. > Perhaps because I'm not in the position to have such friends, perhaps > because I would not want people with such 'ethics' to be in my friends > list....? Friends list? I have known this person since he was 14 playing D1. He isn't on my f-list, he doesn't play anymore. Is jumping to lame conclusions the BEST you can do? > The rather blunt remark about my ethics is duely noted though. Ethics? You have none, you've made that quite clear already in your attempts to get me to betray a confidence. >>> Didn't that involve massed of Bone Walls/Bone Prisons? I think I read >>> about this one. Is this, with all other failed/fixed duping methods, the [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Thank you for the kind words. I really pushed a button there, didn't I? No, but if it strokes what passes for an ego by you, tell yourself that. You just asked me to post a dupe method in AGD..... You want to dance around that a while longer, go right ahead. > I don't think Not much, really. > getting this out in the open will make any sort of difference: Ah, so the last one that got out in the open and flooded the realms made no sort of a difference? Ye gods, the boy has perfected the art of speaking out of his a.s and mouth simultaneously. > the people who can and want to use this method, have already > acquired the knowledge needed. Know them all personally, do you? Wha an arrogant, know-it-all statement this is. > The people who will start doing it after they read it here (supposing it > was posted here), will not make the slightest difference to the current > state of affairs. And that leaves the people who CHOOSE to not use such > knowlege to dupe. Yeah, and if you use MH, so what, plenty of others do. And if you murder someone, so what, so many others get murdered every day, one more or less won't make a difference. Yup, just as I said, you have no morals and no ethics. None at all. > Regardless, I don't think the game can get much more corrupted than it is: So hey, what the f.ck, let's ALL dupe and hack and cheat, eh? > HRs are now also selling for about Pul-Um in value on SC Europe, so we've > finally reached the 'blessed' state USWest has been in for several months. [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > Now, press that PLONK button, I know you want to! Why, I find someone so completely devoid of ethics and morals to be an interesting case study. Mickey >Full ranting mode again? My, but you're turning out to be a real a.shole. >The fact that you aren't there already is simply a testimony to my patience >in dealing with children. Then again, I am the father of 10, so that's not >surprising. >It tells me that you're a worm to whom a confidence means nothing. >That's good, as I don't think much of you. >You have no morals, so frankly, I can't think of anyone whose opinion would >matter less. >I wasn't ranting, a.shole. I read you loud and clear. All of this has been a >VERY poor attempt on your part to get me to betray a confidence. The fact >that you would ask this of someone makes it quite clear it is something you >would do yourself. Now, while others are entitled to whatever opinions they >wish to derive, in my book that makes you a low-life, classless, immoral >worm of a sub-human. >No, just people who try to force someone to betray a confidence, simply >because it would suit THEIR need. You are a little snake, and now everyone >here knows it. What you don't get yet is that the ploy of saying "tell us or >I won't believe you" might work on a child, or someone with a weak ego, it >will not work on me. I neither require nor desire your "seal of approval". >In other words, no reply. Just rtolling to try and force the betrayal of a >confidence, the rest is all fluff. >Because I did not need to. You see, those who have played with me for 10 >years now, they KNOW who and what I know, they don't need me to paint them [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >opinion here. The fact that I do on occasion is a convenience on my part, >not something I owe anyone. >Flawed ethics? Would you care to make a post and take a survey of this >group, and ask how many people would consider it ethical to ask someone to >betray a confidence simply to suit your curiosity about a f.cking game? I'm >sure you will come up with some witty bullshit here to avoid this. >And yet, I would turn them in instantly.... but they aren't the ones who >entrusted me, someone else was, and his trust I will NOT... get it yet... >NOT betray, simple because you WANT me to. Shall I hire dancing bears to get >this across to you, or has it FINALLY hit home? >Meaningless, other than a.s a poorly veiled and ineffectual jab at me. >Friends list? I have known this person since he was 14 playing D1. He isn't >on my f-list, he doesn't play anymore. Is jumping to lame conclusions the >BEST you can do? >Ethics? You have none, you've made that quite clear already in your attempts >to get me to betray a confidence. >No, but if it strokes what passes for an ego by you, tell yourself that. You >just asked me to post a dupe method in AGD..... You want to dance around >that a while longer, go right ahead. >Not much, really. >Ah, so the last one that got out in the open and flooded the realms made no >sort of a difference? Ye gods, the boy has perfected the art of speaking out >of his a.s and mouth simultaneously. >Know them all personally, do you? Wha an arrogant, know-it-all statement >this is. >Yeah, and if you use MH, so what, plenty of others do. And if you murder >someone, so what, so many others get murdered every day, one more or less >won't make a difference. > >Yup, just as I said, you have no morals and no ethics. None at all. >So hey, what the f.ck, let's ALL dupe and hack and cheat, eh? >Why, I find someone so completely devoid of ethics and morals to be an >interesting case study. Yup, I pressed the button. Thank you for confirming it. Regards, Patrick. >>Full ranting mode again? My, but you're turning out to be a real a.shole. > [quoted text clipped - 90 lines] > > Yup, I pressed the button. Thank you for confirming it. My my, but what an ARROGANT f.ck you are. typical behavior of a child. When all else fails, declare victory and run away. Confirmation is a lovely thing. Mickey [Big snip] >> Yup, I pressed the button. Thank you for confirming it. > >My my, but what an ARROGANT f.ck you are. Thank you again for the kinds words. I didn't start spewing the vitriol here, Mickey. Quoting the words you bestowed upon me (and the rest of agd2) served a few purposes: - To show that this discussion really went off the deep end, when people start using words like 'a.shole', 'worm', etc. When terms like that are used in a discussion, all rationality has usually left it, and there's not much more to say without generating more vitriol. - To show that you're using an awful lot of words to describe your feelings and opinion of someone whose opinions you, by your own words, have 'ZERO' respect for. - It's also not a question of 'can', but 'want': agd2 isn't helped by these discussions, and while I'm certainly capable of writing a paragraph-by-paragraph, point-by-point response to your posting, I'm not sure I'd want to. I might still do so, your original post is just a few keypresses away, but it wouldn't 'improve' agd2 in any meaningful way. However, some of the things you claim about me aren't exactly very 'friendly', and certainly not true, and untruths about myself are not things I'd like to leave out in the open, even when written by you. >typical behavior of a child. When all else fails, declare victory and run >away. Confirmation is a lovely thing. It sure is. Regards, Patrick. > [Big snip] > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > I didn't start spewing the vitriol here, Mickey. Quoting the words you > bestowed upon me (and the rest of agd2) served a few purposes: Ah, but you did. You can quote all the remarks on my part you want, that will not alter the fact that you have tried, for over 2 months now, to get me to reveal something told to me in confidence. What more is there to say? Mickey >>>Scientific? It's a game, for Christ's sake. >> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >Full ranting mode again? My, but you're turning out to be a real a.shole. And so we go off the deep end... Thank you for your kind words. >>>> Nor have I seen people disprove it's a bunch of Eskimo's with too much >>>> time on their hands. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >In other words, no reply. Ah, ok, so, what evidence do you have that a bunch of Eskimo's isn't doing it? >> I don't do this to 'fill needs for my ego'. The fact that you bring this >> up as a possible reason for me to do this, says more about you than it >> does about me. > >It tells me that you're a worm to whom a confidence means nothing. So I have now degraded to a worm to you? Things do move fast. >> I also don't give a hoot what you think of me; > >That's good, as I don't think much of you. You already stated exactly that the last time we had a clash of words; no need to repeat the obvious. >> I think that much has been clear for quite a while. I also had very little >> trouble of getting to that [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >You have no morals, so frankly, I can't think of anyone whose opinion would >matter less. This reminds me a bit of Monkey Island, the swearing game. You are rubber, I am glue. I find it amazing you're able to determine I have no morals. >> Yes, isn't that what I said? Pretty hard to read stuff someone writes when >> you're in Full Ranting Mode I suppose? > >I wasn't ranting, a.shole. If ending a sentance in this way isn't ranting, I'm not sure what is. ;) >I read you loud and clear. All of this has been a >VERY poor attempt on your part to get me to betray a confidence. The fact >that you would ask this of someone makes it quite clear it is something you >would do yourself. Now, while others are entitled to whatever opinions they >wish to derive, in my book that makes you a low-life, classless, immoral >worm of a sub-human. I think here we got the Point #1 you are trying to make: me trying to convince you to 'betray a confidence'. Aside from the fact it would be quite hard to convince someone of such high standing as yourself to 'betray a confidence', I didn't want to promote any such thing. All I said was that it would perhaps be a good thing to get the whole story about 'The Big Three' out there, and publicly humiliate Blizzard, so they finally plugged the apparent hole in Diablo II, which allows 'insiders' to dupe at will. And then off you went ranting about me trying to convince you to 'betray a confidence'. No idea why you interpreted it as that, but it's usually easier to rant off the soapbox provided by taking the 'moral high ground'. Anyway, if I had been told by a good friend, in confidence, information like you have been hinting at in here, I would tell my good friend that this information disturbed me, and I would also ask him if he would know of a way to get this info out, in such a way, that it would NOT implicate him. I suppose you've also considered this option, but it wasn't possible? [More ranting about betraying of confidences removed] [More ranting about betraying of confidences removed] >>>I saw someone take an item I had, and in a matter of 10 seconds, drop 10 >>>of [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >So? So, this was useful information to confirm what you are claiming: that apparently a very convenient and easy method of duping a random item exists. This sounds a lot more quickly than having to lag a server beyond repair... >> So why didn't you tell us this fine little piece of experience the first >> time you started handwaving about 'The Big Three'? [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >opinion here. The fact that I do on occasion is a convenience on my part, >not something I owe anyone. Well, I'm the sort of person who like to see some form of confirmation, evidence, or support for a claim being made. This is also why I try to include links to sources of information when they're available with regard to in-game information. All kinds of people claim they know all kinds of things 'for a fact' on a daily basis. While it's perhaps easy to convince an 'inner sanctum' of people just saying that things are 'so', this doesn't work for people who don't belong to that 'inner sanctum', and you shouldn't be surprised when they ask for a bit more than just your word. When they do, that doesn't mean they are trying to personally insult you though. >> Yes, other people with a much better grasp of the English language have >> discussed this with you before, so I'm not going to do so again. These [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >betray a confidence simply to suit your curiosity about a f.cking game? I'm >sure you will come up with some witty bullshit here to avoid this. Err, no, but I didn't ask you to betray a confidence. That you interpreted it as such is something complete different. >> Perhaps because I'm not in the position to have such friends, perhaps >> because I would not want people with such 'ethics' to be in my friends [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >on my f-list, he doesn't play anymore. Is jumping to lame conclusions the >BEST you can do? Actually, I worded it a bit poorly. I tried to translate a Dutch word to English, and came up with 'friends list', probably influenced by the Diablo 2 term. According to a digital dictionary, I should've used 'circle of friends', and I didn't mean the in-game lists of acquaintances. Is jumping on language errors the best you can do? >> The rather blunt remark about my ethics is duely noted though. > >Ethics? You have none, you've made that quite clear already in your attempts >to get me to betray a confidence. Thank you for your kind words. See above though. >> Thank you for the kind words. I really pushed a button there, didn't I? > >No, but if it strokes what passes for an ego by you, tell yourself that. You >just asked me to post a dupe method in AGD..... You want to dance around >that a while longer, go right ahead. No, I did not. I did however ask you to allude a bit more as to which duping method exactly you hinted at. Without even looking for it, I ran into a description of the current 'necro dupe' several weeks ago. Now imagine, if you will, how easy it would have been for someone who had an active interest in duping, to find the same information? >> I don't think > >Not much, really. Masterfully done, hero. ;) >> getting this out in the open will make any sort of difference: > >Ah, so the last one that got out in the open and flooded the realms made no >sort of a difference? Ye gods, the boy has perfected the art of speaking out >of his a.s and mouth simultaneously. At this moment in time, getting the current duping method out wouldn't change much. People are already using it big-time, judging by the lag on the servers, and the dropping prices of HRs in the forums. >> the people who can and want to use this method, have already >> acquired the knowledge needed. > >Know them all personally, do you? Wha an arrogant, know-it-all statement >this is. I think it's a quite valid statement. See above. >> The people who will start doing it after they read it here (supposing it >> was posted here), will not make the slightest difference to the current [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >someone, so what, so many others get murdered every day, one more or less >won't make a difference. I didn't say that. You should read what you respond to before starting to bang away on that keyboard. To spell it out a bit: Knowing HOW something is done, does not automatically mean everyone will start doing that 'something'. As I said, the people who want to dupe for personal gain, have already acquired this knowledge and are using it as I write this. Of course, posting the exact procedure in this newsgroup is not what I asked for, and is not something I'd do either. >Yup, just as I said, you have no morals and no ethics. None at all. Thank you for your kind words. >> Regardless, I don't think the game can get much more corrupted than it is: > >So hey, what the f.ck, let's ALL dupe and hack and cheat, eh? I didn't say that. >> As the English saying goes: every cloud has a silver lining. At least >> getting the Big Three in trouble is a good thing off this. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >Why, I find someone so completely devoid of ethics and morals to be an >interesting case study. Thank you for your kind words. Regards, Patrick. >>>>Scientific? It's a game, for Christ's sake. >>> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > And so we go off the deep end... Thank you for your kind words. What bullshit.... you are SO lame. >>>>> Nor have I seen people disprove it's a bunch of Eskimo's with too much >>>>> time on their hands. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Ah, ok, so, what evidence do you have that a bunch of Eskimo's isn't doing > it? Moron. >>> I don't do this to 'fill needs for my ego'. The fact that you bring this >>> up as a possible reason for me to do this, says more about you than it [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > So I have now degraded to a worm to you? Things do move fast. I didn't degrade you to worm, you did that all by yourself. You're a scumbag who thinks that you can prod me into betrayal. You can't. >>> I also don't give a hoot what you think of me; >> >>That's good, as I don't think much of you. > > You already stated exactly that the last time we had a clash of words; no > need to repeat the obvious. Ah, but there WAS a reason for you to make YOUR statement, eh? What an idiot. >>> I think that much has been clear for quite a while. I also had very >>> little [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > This reminds me a bit of Monkey Island, the swearing game. You are rubber, > I am glue. I find it amazing you're able to determine I have no morals. Whatever, moron. >>> Yes, isn't that what I said? Pretty hard to read stuff someone writes >>> when [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > If ending a sentance in this way isn't ranting, I'm not sure what is. ;) Your lack of understanding doesn't encomber me in any way. >>I read you loud and clear. All of this has been a >>VERY poor attempt on your part to get me to betray a confidence. The fact [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > quite hard to convince someone of such high standing as yourself to > 'betray a confidence', I didn't want to promote any such thing. Ah, but that is EXACTLY what you have been doing. The question now is, are you really THIS stupid, or do you just think everyone ELSE here is? Y ou have made not very well veiled statements about my veracity, pointing out that without my betraying this confidence, you will not believe what I have said (as if I give a raging rat's a.s what an idiot like you does or does not believe, but anywho) and now you act like a hurt little boy (who, me?), and think we're all idiots and can't see it for what it is. > All I said was that it would perhaps be a good thing to get the whole > story about 'The Big Three' out there, and publicly humiliate Blizzard, so > they finally plugged the apparent hole in Diablo II, which allows > 'insiders' to dupe at will. All you said, eh? This is the THIRD thread you have come after me to reveal what I know. You have tried hard (albeit ineffectually) to get me to betray a confidence in order to win your approval. Here's a clue for you little boy, I DON'T NEED YOUR APPROVAL. You are a nobody, and the more you try to get me to stab a friend in the back, the more of a nobody you prove to be. In any case, enough of this. You simply aren't worthy of any further expenditure of time. Mickey [snip multitudinous lines of back-and-forth bullshit] > Err, no, but I didn't ask you to betray a confidence. That you > interpreted it as such is something complete different. Well, FWIW, I also "interpreted as such" ages ago. Mickey made it clear long ago that he was told this info in confidence and you've been hounding him about it ever since. I've tried to be charitable and out it down to cultural differences but frankly I know that it isn't the case. Yes, *hounding*. It's your favourite song, that you justify by such statements as: "Well, I'm the sort of person who like to see some form of confirmation, evidence, or support for a claim being made." Ya know what? There are a lot of things in life that you never get 'conformation' to support. Do you believe in God? Do you have to understand or see proof for everything you encounter or are told in your life? Are you single? I ask that as I can't see anyone living with such an obsessed person. I can imagine you insisting that a partner _prove_ their love for you each and every morning. Are you taking medication for this? There are some things in life that you just have to accept. Or go mad. If you *are* in fact "the sort of person who like to see some form of confirmation, evidence, or support for a claim being made" and that is your *only* motivation for your constant Mickey-baiting well that's your own personal quirk. I'm sure I'm not the only person reading here who wishes you'd keep it to yourself, maybe try Cognitive Behavioural Therapy to overcome it. In today's world you simply can't insist on understanding, or seeing proof for, everything. It's way too complex, some things you have to just accept. Have you insisted that your "father" take a paternity test? I think you're a sh.t-stirrer Patrick, pure and simple. You constantly try to take the moral high-ground while baiting Mickey and insinuating that he's a liar. Then you berate Mickey for using 'crude' terms. I'd rather know someone who says it like it is, face-to-face, than someone who sneaks around back-stabbing and undermining. Slithery, slimey words. You know that Mickey can be volatile when constantly hounded yet you repeatedly do it, then claim a 'victory' when he finally bluntly calls you what you are. Do you want more info on this duping method as you see it as the path to personal riches? It would seem to be a possibility, you spend an inordinate amount of time trying to get Mickey to 'give it up'. Or find it out for you. You spend 70% of your posts in this NG behaving like a troll or a cyber-stalker. The other 30% are the only reason that you're not in my killfile. Still, it's not a good ratio. (All questions above are rhetorical. I'm done with this and won't post again in this thread/on this subject) SignatureShaun. "Peace cannot be kept by force. It can only be achieved by understanding" Albert Einstein >[snip multitudinous lines of back-and-forth bullshit] At least you take the effort of snipping, quite commendable. >> Err, no, but I didn't ask you to betray a confidence. That you >> interpreted it as such is something complete different. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >"Well, I'm the sort of person who like to see some form of confirmation, >evidence, or support for a claim being made." Yes, especially when these claims are made by people whom I don't know. FWIW, Mickey, and you, are total strangers to me. Why should I believe blanket statements about the truth of something from total strangers? Yet that is precisely what I'm 'forced' to do. The thread you're posting this to is a good example of what happens when I try to explain WHY I don't believe blanket statements by total strangers. Also, I've been very patient, and tried to explain time upon time what I wanted to accomplish. Of course, this patience is then explained as 'repeating the party line'. >Ya know what? There are a lot of things in life that you never get >'conformation' to support. Do you believe in God? Do you have to understand [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >you each and every morning. Are you taking medication for this? There are >some things in life that you just have to accept. Or go mad. Are you finished making unfounded accussations, err, asking 'rhetorical questions'? It isn't that hard though: People I know and trust can state something and I believe them. People I know and trust can say that someone they know and trust said something, and I will believe them. Total strangers can state something, and I'd expect them to back that up with facts. Total strangers can say that someone they know and trust (but who is also a total stranger to me) said something, and then I'd still expect them to back that up with facts. Now, if the 'something' that was said is easily verifyable, I wouldn't look for too much facts to confirm it. I.e., you say for instance that the grass in New Zealand has another shade of green than grass on the European continent. Or you say that a person you know, and who lives in Australia, says that the grass overthere has yet another shade of green than grass in both New-Zealand and continental Europe. However, when the 'something' that's claimed is a Blizzard-made/-condoned method of effortlessly duping anything in the game, then I'd really like to see some facts supporting that. And, not surprisingly, if it's proven true, this is not something I would like to see continueing. And this is where we get to Mickey's 'confidence' and long-time friend. Mickey can't apparently bring this info out without 'betraying that confidence'. Fine. But is there really no way at all to get this info, via another route, in such a way, that it can be brought out WITHOUT 'betraying this confidence'? It seems there isn't. Too bad. We'll have to live with the 'insider-duping-method' then, and hope the impact of public duping methods is limited at best. >If you *are* in fact "the sort of person who like to see some form of >confirmation, evidence, or support for a claim being made" and that is your [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >seeing proof for, everything. It's way too complex, some things you have to >just accept. Have you insisted that your "father" take a paternity test? I want to see this hole in Blizzard's servers plugged. And yes, I did read your comment about a scandal of this size perhaps meaning the end of the D2-servers, because of it being convenient excuse to do so. As to your other 'rhetorical questions'; I think I've answered these above. Since you below claim all these were rhetorical questions, I suppose you wouldn't mind me asking a similar 'rhetorical' question in return: In what state of mental health are you that you can make such statements about me, and feel the need to suggest that I need medication and/or therapy to 'overcome' this apparent 'armchair' diagnosis of you? >I think you're a sh.t-stirrer Patrick, pure and simple. You're not doing a bad job of it yourself, either, stirring this thread up, after it was finished. But perhaps it wasn't finished for you... >You constantly try >to take the moral high-ground while baiting Mickey and insinuating that he's [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >can be volatile when constantly hounded yet you repeatedly do it, then claim >a 'victory' when he finally bluntly calls you what you are. Since when is asking for confirmation of blanket statements from total strangers the same as 'insinuating someone is a liar'? If/when I make a blanket statement to a public of total strangers, I'd back it up with facts. If the _only_ evidence for this blanket statement was based upon information I received from someone who confided in me, I would even make this blanket statement. It's not that hard. >Do you want more info on this duping method as you see it as the path to >personal riches? It would seem to be a possibility, you spend an inordinate >amount of time trying to get Mickey to 'give it up'. Or find it out for you. I've stated quite early in this thread that I know how the duping method Mickey was referring to, and which is responsible for the recent lag on the realms, works. So Mickey doesn't have to explain it me. I've also stated I have no desire to put it into practice. The fact that you apparently didn't read and/or believe that, and now wrote the above paragraph is what surprises me. I'm sorry you feel that way about me, Shaun. >You spend 70% of your posts in this NG behaving like a troll or a >cyber-stalker. The other 30% are the only reason that you're not in my >killfile. Still, it's not a good ratio. > >(All questions above are rhetorical. I'm done with this and won't post again >in this thread/on this subject) And yet you posted 3 or 4 more articles in this same thread... Regards, Patrick. >If/when I make a blanket statement to a public of total strangers, I'd >back it up with facts. If the _only_ evidence for this blanket statement >was based upon information I received from someone who confided in me, I >would even make this blanket statement. It's not that hard. Argl. "I would NOT even make this blanket statement. ..." Regards, Patrick. >>[snip multitudinous lines of back-and-forth bullshit] > [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > FWIW, Mickey, and you, are total strangers to me. Why should I believe > blanket statements about the truth of something from total strangers? What utter horseshit this is...... by YOUR standards, we are ALL total strangers to one another, and as such, not one word posted here by anyone should be taken at face value without physical documentation. It is my experience in life that those who are always suspicious of others are that way because they themselves cannot be trusted, they KNOW this, and therefore trust no one else. As I said, complete bullshit, but rather par for the course YOU play on. Mickey >> Yes, especially when these claims are made by people whom I don't know. >> FWIW, Mickey, and you, are total strangers to me. Why should I believe [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > >As I said, complete bullshit, but rather par for the course YOU play on. Why do you think I usually try to back up my advice/answers with regard to questions in this group with quotes (if the amount of info is small), or links to sites with more info (if it's a bit too much to just copy-paste into a posting), if/when possible? That's the course I play on: provide info, and back it up, when/if possible. The main reason I do this is not even to 'backup' my info, but to give the person I answered a nice starting-point to learn more than just the answer to the question posted: background, related info, etc. Yes, it is possible to drag up a few examples where I was not able to dig up the info in a timely manner, or too tired to do that, but I usually do my best to include such info. And, if you don't mind, I won't change that. Regards, Patrick. > > [snip multitudinous lines of back-and-forth bullshit] [snip, snip, snip, snip, snip] > However, when the 'something' that's claimed is a > Blizzard-made/-condoned method of effortlessly duping anything in the [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > to get this info, via another route, in such a way, that it can be > brought out WITHOUT 'betraying this confidence'? Have you considered that Mickey's friend might be in business with said Blizz employee? Of course, if this Blizz employee did have this insider method, he wouldn't be able to be seen to be involved in a business selling D2 stuff would he? He'd work through other people. If that were the case, and the person who told and showed Mickey about it is hardly likely to cut his own throat by explaining how it works, regardless of how well he knows Mickey. Got it? > In what state of mental health are you that you can make such > statements about me, and feel the need to suggest that I need > medication and/or therapy to 'overcome' this apparent 'armchair' > diagnosis of you? I have mild depression and GAD (General Anxiety Disorder). I've studied psychology extensively, writing papers for someone I know who got their degree. You seem to be exhibiting traits commonly found in someone with OCD (Obsessive-Compulsive Disorder). This sort of thing might explain it to you: > Also, I've been very patient, and tried to explain time upon time > what I wanted to accomplish. Of course, this patience is then > explained as 'repeating the party line'. However, from this side of the fence it appears differently. > > I think you're a sh.t-stirrer Patrick, pure and simple. > > You're not doing a bad job of it yourself, either, stirring this > thread up, after it was finished. But perhaps it wasn't finished for > you... Obviously. <shakes head> I don't follow the group in real-time, I download it maybe twice a day and read and reply from there. I'm sorry, I didn't know that you'd decided that the thread was finished. I'd been reading parts of it from time to time and decided to leave it between you and Mickey. However, once I saw that Shiflet had commented I decided that I would too. > I've stated quite early in this thread that I know how the duping > method Mickey was referring to, and which is responsible for the > recent lag on the realms, works. So Mickey doesn't have to explain it > me. I've also stated I have no desire to put it into practice. The > fact that you apparently didn't read and/or believe that, Whoa there! Back the truck up. "Fact"? I did read it, therefore you believe that I don't believe it? And you accuse *me* of getting things wrong? I too have known of several different methods of duping, the strafe method, the G-merc method, now this necro method. I have no desire to use them either. However, your dogged pursuit of the method Mickey mentions, a method that doesn't rely on crashing servers, if not pathological, begs the question as to why you so obviously *need* to know it. It is this question I was attempting to resolve. Do you want to report it to Blizzard and risk our games being shut down? Do you want to use it yourself? (After all, the folks who are profiting from it are making thousands of dollars a week). Do you have OCD? I don't see why you are so fixated on it. The rot goes deep. The massively powerful runewords that would logically be impossible if it wasn't for controlled duping and distribution of HRs were put there for a reason. Can you guess what that reason is? Blizzard can't suddenly decide to make D2 pay-to-play. There are more ways of skinning a cat than a monthly fee. Use your imagination, and let this subject go unless you want to play SP only. Some things are better left without proof. (Ask all the religious people out there). > and now > wrote the above paragraph is what surprises me. I'm sorry you feel > that way about me, Shaun. This is based on a false assumption. > > You spend 70% of your posts in this NG behaving like a troll or a > > cyber-stalker. The other 30% are the only reason that you're not in [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > And yet you posted 3 or 4 more articles in this same thread... As I said, I downloaded the group, saw Shiflet had weighed in, wrote this reply, then saw other things that I wanted to address. I was wrong above, I didn't know exactly how far you were willing to push this whole thing when I wrote that. SignatureShaun. "Peace cannot be kept by force. It can only be achieved by understanding" Albert Einstein >> > [snip multitudinous lines of back-and-forth bullshit] > [quoted text clipped - 75 lines] > thousands of dollars a week). Do you have OCD? I don't see why you are so > fixated on it. They already know about it, the problem is that it isn't just a one byte server side fix here, it is a major code alteration. They aren't going to shut bnet down over this, for a host of reasons not the least of which is that bnet runs D1, D2, LoD, BW, WC2, and WC3 (I may have left out one or two). Furthermore, there would be some legal issues with shutting down servers for games which were sold with the guarantee of online play. Mickey > They already know about it, the problem is that it isn't just a one > byte server side fix here, it is a major code alteration. In other words, it'd need to be a 1.12 patch or even 1.20? <g> Signature-- * I always hope for the best. Experience, unfortunately, has taught me to expect the worst. Yahoo: evilbill_agqx Web: http://www.evilbill.org.uk >> They already know about it, the problem is that it isn't just a one >> byte server side fix here, it is a major code alteration. > > In other words, it'd need to be a 1.12 patch or even 1.20? <g> Something like that. Mickey > They already know about it, the problem is that it isn't just a one > byte server side fix here, it is a major code alteration. They aren't [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > issues with shutting down servers for games which were sold with the > guarantee of online play. I'm sure there are ways out of that particular guarantee, unless you think that they'll still be supporting D2 in 2050? And I wasn't meaning shutting all of B.net down, just D2 support. SignatureShaun. "Peace cannot be kept by force. It can only be achieved by understanding" Albert Einstein >> They already know about it, the problem is that it isn't just a one >> byte server side fix here, it is a major code alteration. They aren't [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > And I wasn't meaning shutting all of B.net down, just D2 support. I just can't see that, as their Diablo games are a gateway to WoW. Mickey >[snip, snip, snip, snip, snip] Keep up the good work! ;) >> And this is where we get to Mickey's 'confidence' and long-time >> friend. Mickey can't apparently bring this info out without [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > >Got it? I think I already said many times I got this. It also seems you (and perhaps Mickey) got the wrong impression that I wanted to know how it worked. I don't. What I would like to see is knowledge that this works, to get out. However, we then again get to the same basic problem: how do you prove there is a dupe method as described my Mickey, and as used by 'The Big Three', which apparently involves some very simple actions, and is able to produce an unlimited number of copies of a given item. I mean, if this was something implemented at the server side, by someone on the inside, it'd be trivial to assign new item IDs to the duped items, so that they are in effect not 'standard dupes', but entirely new, and unique copies of the 'duped item'... It has been very clear to me it's difficult to get this out without a) implicating the 'confidence' of Mickey, and b) disclosing the details of the method. Anyway, if b) did get out in one way or another, I'd suppose this hole would be closed pretty soon. ;) >> In what state of mental health are you that you can make such >> statements about me, and feel the need to suggest that I need [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >degree. You seem to be exhibiting traits commonly found in someone with OCD >(Obsessive-Compulsive Disorder). This sort of thing might explain it to you: >> Also, I've been very patient, and tried to explain time upon time >> what I wanted to accomplish. Of course, this patience is then >> explained as 'repeating the party line'. > >However, from this side of the fence it appears differently. I see it as being patient. You see it as something different. Someone else might agree with my vision, or yours. Either way, not many people are speaking up about it, but steering well clear of this. And right they are. Anyway, thank you for your concern for my mental health. However, I think you'll find me, in real-life, quite a pleasant and social person. If it werent' for the fact that you're half a World away, I'd invite you to a social even I'm organising for coming friday, where we'll be having some drinks, and a dinner with approximately 25 of my friends and acquaintances. >> > I think you're a sh.t-stirrer Patrick, pure and simple. >> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >it from time to time and decided to leave it between you and Mickey. >However, once I saw that Shiflet had commented I decided that I would too. I didn't claim I decided the thread was finished, but this was my general impression, since no new posts to it were being made by me or Mickey. As to what Shiflet does or don't, he has his own issues with Mickey, with which I have little to do. Either can manage quite nicely without any external help... ;) >> I've stated quite early in this thread that I know how the duping >> method Mickey was referring to, and which is responsible for the [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >Whoa there! Back the truck up. "Fact"? I did read it, therefore you believe >that I don't believe it? And you accuse *me* of getting things wrong? You said in your previous posting, and I quote: "Do you want more info on this duping method as you see it as the path to personal riches? It would seem to be a possibility, you spend an inordinate amount of time trying to get Mickey to 'give it up'. Or find it out for you." I know the word 'fact' has a rather loaded meaning in this thread, since precisely what exactly consitutes a 'fact' is what started all this commotion. So, perhaps in other words, with which you won't have such a big issue: From the paragraph I quoted above, I got the impression you did not believe me when I said that I did not want to use it for personal gain. I've said so a few times, every time someone accussed me of wanting to have it for that exact reason. The funny thing is that when I make such a statement, I'm not believed, but when someone else does, we should believe it, or else... >I too have known of several different methods of duping, the strafe method, >the G-merc method, now this necro method. I have no desire to use them >either. However, your dogged pursuit of the method Mickey mentions, a method >that doesn't rely on crashing servers, if not pathological, begs the >question as to why you so obviously *need* to know it. Ahhh, I didn't understand you meant the hitherto unkown 'inside-method'. As explained above, I have no interest in knowing how it works, but I also see no way to get this one squashed without perhaps some very specific information on how it works, and how _easy_ it works. >It is this question I was attempting to resolve. Do you want to report it to >Blizzard and risk our games being shut down? Do you want to use it yourself? >(After all, the folks who are profiting from it are making thousands of >dollars a week). Do you have OCD? I don't see why you are so fixated on it. Anyway, continueing on would probably be showing traits which further confirm to you I'm suffering from some form of mental illness, so I won't. The smallest recap I can do: I'd like this method squashed. I don't want to know how it works. And I want it squashed without shutting down the D2LOD part of B.Net. >The rot goes deep. The massively powerful runewords that would logically be >impossible if it wasn't for controlled duping and distribution of HRs were [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >Some things are better left without proof. (Ask all the religious people out >there). I'm not religious, and if indeed Blizzard finances the maintenance costs of their D2 servers by secretly running, and profiting from sales of 'insider-duped' items, the rot goes _very_ deep indeed. If this is indeed the case, I must say I'm baffled by it. If this is true, and it got out, this would probably not only be the end of D2LOD, but also Blizzard as we know it. >> and now >> wrote the above paragraph is what surprises me. I'm sorry you feel >> that way about me, Shaun. > >This is based on a false assumption. See above what I based my assumption on. >> And yet you posted 3 or 4 more articles in this same thread... > >As I said, I downloaded the group, saw Shiflet had weighed in, wrote this >reply, then saw other things that I wanted to address. I was wrong above, I >didn't know exactly how far you were willing to push this whole thing when I >wrote that. At least you admit you make errors. ;) Regards, Patrick. > >[snip, snip, snip, snip, snip] > [quoted text clipped - 58 lines] > might agree with my vision, or yours. Either way, not many people are > speaking up about it, but steering well clear of this. And right they are. It's a freakin' flame war, who want's to get involved in it? The best way to kill a flame war is not to get involved. That's why most people are "steering well clear of this". You don't believe Mickey? Fine, who cares. I sure don't care if you believe him or not. wizofwas > > [snip, snip, snip, snip, snip] > > Keep up the good work! ;) Indeed. [chop, chop, chop] > It has been very clear to me it's difficult to get this out without > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Anyway, if b) did get out in one way or another, I'd suppose this hole > would be closed pretty soon. ;) Once again, I draw your attention to runewords like 'Last Wish'. Three JAHs, a MAL, a BER and a SUR. I believe someone did the math on this already, anyway, math isn't my strong suit. If there were no duping or HRs I doubt there'd be more than two of these babies on all of B.net, and they'd belong to players who risked life and limb playing 16 hours a day and trading the other 8 hours. The there's 'Pride', CHAM, SUR and LO needed. 'Destruction', VEX, LO, BER, JAH... Need I go on? It is patently obvious that, when these runewords were included in the game, Blizzard *expected* that there would be duping of HRs. Otherwise they would have improved the drop-rate significantly. I'm not a fanatical conspiracy-theorist but it's pretty damn obvious that there was fore-knowledge of HR duping at a high level in the D2 camp of Blizzard when these runewords were introduced. I play extensively and have four CD keys/PCs at my disposal. I've only had two MALs /drop/ this ladder, excluding the multitude of mules that I've rushed through to their hellforge. Last ladder I had a couple GULs. (Incidently, in both instances both runes dropped within minutes of each other in the same game, 16 months apart. Random? I think not.) Simply put, the inclusion of these runes *had* to have been done with the expectation of duping. Why else include something(s) that only one-in-a-million players would be able to get? Then, it follows that if there is to be duping (publicly known server-crash methods aside, all of which destabilise the economy and are fixed pretty quickly) it would need to be controlled. Who better to control it, and therefore both profit and keep player interest in the game, than the people/person who put the runewords there in the first place? *That's* how far the rabbit-hole goes. > I see it as being patient. You see it as something different. Someone > else might agree with my vision, or yours. Either way, not many > people are speaking up about it, but steering well clear of this. And > right they are. Indeed. Everybody's right. In the same way that there can be more than one truth for a given situation. It's all about perspective. > Anyway, thank you for your concern for my mental health. However, I > think you'll find me, in real-life, quite a pleasant and social > person. If it werent' for the fact that you're half a World away, I'd > invite you to a social even I'm organising for coming friday, where > we'll be having some drinks, and a dinner with approximately 25 of my > friends and acquaintances. Sounds like a lot of work. I used to organise dinner for groups of friends up to maybe 12 at the maximum. I found any more than that and a domestic kitchen was inadequate for the job. > > > You're not doing a bad job of it yourself, either, stirring this > > > thread up, after it was finished. But perhaps it wasn't finished > > > for you... > > I didn't claim I decided the thread was finished, I left it in above. :-) You said "after it was finished". I also left in the thinly-veiled implication that I have less-than-honourable reasons to continue it. > but this was my > general impression, since no new posts to it were being made by me or > Mickey. As to what Shiflet does or don't, he has his own issues with > Mickey, with which I have little to do. Either can manage quite > nicely without any external help... ;) Indeed. However, I didn't see you telling Shiflet that the thread was finished or closed. Instead I saw you agreeing with him. > > > I've stated quite early in this thread that I know how the duping > > > method Mickey was referring to, and which is responsible for the [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > when I make such a statement, I'm not believed, but when someone else > does, we should believe it, or else... Then you are being judged by your own standards. Surely that's what everyone wants/deserves? > > I too have known of several different methods of duping, the strafe > > method, the G-merc method, now this necro method. I have no desire [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Ahhh, I didn't understand you meant the hitherto unkown > 'inside-method'. Ok, that's the method we were talking about wasn't it? It was established long ago up-thread that the newset server-crash method was fairkly widely known amongst the informed readers of this group. > As explained above, I have no interest in knowing > how it works, but I also see no way to get this one squashed without > perhaps some very specific information on how it works, and how > _easy_ it works. Yeah. Go back to my dissertation on the impossible-without-duping runewords above. Mickey says it can't be stopped with a simple patch. I say that it'll probably never be stopped, for the reasons I've outlined above. Not without quite a few people on the D2 team at Blizzard getting fired (scapegoats?). > Anyway, continueing on would probably be showing traits which further > confirm to you I'm suffering from some form of mental illness, so I > won't. Hehee. > The smallest recap I can do: > > I'd like this method squashed. I don't want to know how it works. And > I want it squashed without shutting down the D2LOD part of B.Net. And I want world peace and a comfortable income. As my father used to say; "Wish in one hand and sh.t in the other, see which one gets filled first." > I'm not religious, and if indeed Blizzard finances the maintenance > costs of their D2 servers by secretly running, and profiting from [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > true, and it got out, this would probably not only be the end of > D2LOD, but also Blizzard as we know it. Unless they could cover up by some high-profile sackings in the D2 team. WoW has massive inertia, support and cash-flow to pay spin-doctors and lawyers. Blizz could get away with a lot if their backs were to the wall. However, my fear is that it could/would spell the end of D2 B.net support. The way I see it is you either embrace the way the game has gone, use the high-powered runewords and accept that it's an integral part of the B.net experience if you trade. Or you play for yourself, using only what you find, mule between characters. Another way is only trade for items, not HRs. Or (as I do) play a few characters each way if you so desire. If the mountain won't come to Patrick..... > See above what I based my assumption on. Noted. > > As I said, I downloaded the group, saw Shiflet had weighed in, > > wrote this reply, then saw other things that I wanted to address. I > > was wrong above, I didn't know exactly how far you were willing to > > push this whole thing when I wrote that. > > At least you admit you make errors. ;) I'm only human, contrary to what my ex-girlfriends may say. :-) SignatureShaun. "Peace cannot be kept by force. It can only be achieved by understanding" Albert Einstein >> > [snip, snip, snip, snip, snip] >> >> Keep up the good work! ;) > >Indeed. [chop, chop, chop] I'll do my best to to take down this virtual rainforst! [hacketey hacketey hacketey] >> Anyway, if b) did get out in one way or another, I'd suppose this hole >> would be closed pretty soon. ;) [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >other 8 hours. The there's 'Pride', CHAM, SUR and LO needed. 'Destruction', >VEX, LO, BER, JAH... Need I go on? Actually, I also _vaguely_ (and I don't feel like digging up the links right now, so forgive me in advance) recall a thread about this. And while the chances of an HR dropping are minimal indeed, that same thread also mentioned, and gave a rough calculation, that by doing organized Hellforge runs, one should be able to cube up to a reasonable HR (~Lo - ~Ber) within a week. This did involve a team effort. I agree Last Wish wasn't probably named Last Wish without a reason. ;) |
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