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Game Forum / Strategy Games / Civilization / July 2008New Colonization coming! + Civ Revolutions
Just noticed this in the strategic newsgroup, and I know there are a few fans (like me) of Colonization. <http://www.bluesnews.com/cgi-bin/board.pl?action=viewthread&threadid=883 94> It'll be using the Civ IV engine, but it'll be a standalone game not a Civ add-on. Should be good, look forward to getting this. Also, Civ makes it's console debut this week, with Civilization Revolutions. Which seems to be pretty much Civ-lite. Had 15 mins on the demo and it doesn't seem too bad, might bring a new audience to the Civ series. Seemed to play quite well, but everything did seem rushed (not quality-wise just gameplay-wise), everything seems to happen so quickly, so not completely sure if I like it or not, one of the appeals of the Civ series for me, is that the games feel so epic and do take a while to play, but you never know, I'll have to give the demo a bit of a longer go. It's seems to have all the regular Civ stuff, but with quicker research etc... and less micro-management, games are meant to last anything from around 2-3 hours up to around 10-12, apparently. Might be good for multi-player, but even 12 hours in single-player seems way too quick for me.  SignatureSean Black >Just noticed this in the strategic newsgroup, and I know there are a >few fans (like me) of Colonization. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > >Should be good, look forward to getting this. This is great news - I loved the original Colonization, and still play it sometimes, despite the now primitive graphics and unit number restrictions. :) SignaturePaul 'Charts Fan' Hyett [snip] >>It'll be using the Civ IV engine, but it'll be a standalone game not a Civ >>add-on. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > sometimes, despite the now primitive graphics and unit number > restrictions. :) I agree that this is wonderful news. I've been hoping for an updated and improved version of "Colonization" for years. It is somewhat less wondrful that Firaxis still haven't produced a good patch for "Beyond the Sword". By the way. I do hope they keep the original music from ur-"Colonization". I loved it, not least the opening music. Öjevind >> This is great news - I loved the original Colonization, and still play it >> sometimes, despite the now primitive graphics and unit number >> restrictions. :) > >I agree that this is wonderful news. I've been hoping for an updated and >improved version of "Colonization" for years. Me2! >It is somewhat less wondrful >that Firaxis still haven't produced a good patch for "Beyond the Sword". I don't have that. > By the way. I do hope they keep the original music from ur-"Colonization". >I loved it, not least the opening music. 'ur-'? I can't even remember what the music from Colonization sounds like - the game will run on my old WinME computer, but without sound. SignaturePaul 'Charts Fan' Hyett [snip] >> By the way. I do hope they keep the original music from >> ur-"Colonization". >>I loved it, not least the opening music. > > 'ur-'? A German word meaning "ancient", "aboriginal" and the like. > I can't even remember what the music from Colonization sounds like - the > game will run on my old WinME computer, but without sound. I thought the music was wonderful. I do hope they'll keep it. Öjevind >[snip] > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > >I thought the music was wonderful. I do hope they'll keep it. The AI was pretty dumb though - so easy to lure into traps : look at this poor defenceless caravel sitting right beneath a massive fortress... :) SignaturePaul 'Charts Fan' Hyett >>[snip] >> [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > The AI was pretty dumb though - so easy to lure into traps : look at this > poor defenceless caravel sitting right beneath a massive fortress... :) I thought the freecol tackled that one... However, freecol is still under construction >> The AI was pretty dumb though - so easy to lure into traps : look at this >> poor defenceless caravel sitting right beneath a massive fortress... :) [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >I thought the freecol tackled that one... However, freecol is still under >construction I find it works very well though. David SignatureDavid Littlewood >>>> I can't even remember what the music from Colonization sounds like - the >>>> game will run on my old WinME computer, but without sound. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >I thought the freecol tackled that one... What - they've given enemy ships ST-style deflector shields? :) > However, freecol is still under >construction Given the new development, will it ever be completed now? SignaturePaul 'Charts Fan' Hyett >>[snip] >> [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] >this poor defenceless caravel sitting right beneath a massive >fortress... :) Or if you want to make the revolution easy: Build exactly two coastal cities. Stuff them with cannon. The AI would expend it's entire effort on attacking those two fortresses, thus getting the worst possible combat odds. (You could have more than two but you would not know where they would hit, thus diluting your forces. Having only one meant they would land somewhere else also.) >>The AI was pretty dumb though - so easy to lure into traps : look at >>this poor defenceless caravel sitting right beneath a massive [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >hit, thus diluting your forces. Having only one meant they would land >somewhere else also.) I didn't realise that - I invariably had more than two. SignaturePaul 'Charts Fan' Hyett [snip] >>Or if you want to make the revolution easy: Build exactly two coastal >>cities. Stuff them with cannon. The AI would expend it's entire [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > I didn't realise that - I invariably had more than two. So did I, because I enjoyed founding cities and building them up. The fact that this made your liberation process harder was one of the major drawbacks in the game. Öjevind >[snip] > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >that this made your liberation process harder was one of the major drawbacks >in the game. Which European nation did you prefer to play, BTW? Mine was the Dutch as the trading was better, and with enough money you could buy your way out of any situation. On a side issue, I never used to build churches - early in the game I tended to buy specialists, and later on I would be producing so much food that my colonists would breed like rabbits. :) SignaturePaul 'Charts Fan' Hyett >>So did I, because I enjoyed founding cities and building them up. The fact >>that this made your liberation process harder was one of the major drawbacks [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >Mine was the Dutch as the trading was better, and with enough money you >could buy your way out of any situation. I liked the English, because of the greater supply of colonists, with the Dutch a close second for the reason you cite. I never found the supposed advantages of the French or the Spanish to be much use; the Indians were never too much of a threat if you had a decent army, and if you needed to surpress them the extra Indian-fighting strength of the Spanish was unnecessary. >On a side issue, I never used to build churches - early in the game I >tended to buy specialists, and later on I would be producing so much >food that my colonists would breed like rabbits. :) Then I think you were missing a big advantage: once you have William Brewster (and thus got rid of the pesky criminals and indentured servants) the supply, especially of experts, is invaluable. On one Freecol game a couple of months ago (as the English) I was getting one colonist per turn mid-game, and about a third of them were specialists. David SignatureDavid Littlewood >On one Freecol game a couple of months ago (as the English) I was >getting one colonist per turn mid-game, and about a third of them were >specialists. Does Freecol have the same unit limits as Colonization? SignaturePaul 'Charts Fan' Hyett >>On one Freecol game a couple of months ago (as the English) I was >>getting one colonist per turn mid-game, and about a third of them were >>specialists. >> >Does Freecol have the same unit limits as Colonization? Sorry, don't know. Had some huge colonies without any objections though. David SignatureDavid Littlewood [snip] > Which European nation did you prefer to play, BTW? > > Mine was the Dutch as the trading was better, and with enough money you > could buy your way out of any situation. Mine was the Dutch too. By the way, I was inspired to start up a game of Col, and now I am doing well but am now approaching that annoying point where my competitors surround the cities completely in the hope of provoking war. I really hate that feature and hope it will not be included in Col II. ):O > On a side issue, I never used to build churches - early in the game I > tended to buy specialists, and later on I would be producing so much food > that my colonists would breed like rabbits. :) As a rule, I only build churches if I happen to get an early preacher. The best thing is to have an early city with lots of sea squares to breed colonists. I wonder, by the way, if the city area will still be smaller than the one in civ games? I hope not. Öjevind >[snip] > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >where my competitors surround the cities completely in the hope of provoking >war. It always worked with me - and I kicked their a.ses for doing so. :) >I really hate that feature and hope it will not be included in Col >II. ):O Hear hear! >> On a side issue, I never used to build churches - early in the game I >> tended to buy specialists, and later on I would be producing so much food [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >colonists. I wonder, by the way, if the city area will still be smaller than >the one in civ games? I hope not. Me too - apparently the reduced city area was a late adjustment, as early testing showed people would build (and win with) just one big city. BTW, I still have the Official Strategy Guide for the game. SignaturePaul 'Charts Fan' Hyett >[snip] > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >that this made your liberation process harder was one of the major drawbacks >in the game. Note that I said *COASTAL* cities. You could have as many inland cities as you wanted, up to the game limits. It's that the AI would attack two locations, cities if they existed. By making exactly two such cities you could give the AI a target it would be sure to go for and thus you could put all of your defenses (other than anything for dealing with Indians) in those locations. [snip] > Note that I said *COASTAL* cities. You could have as many inland > cities as you wanted, up to the game limits. Yes, but the annoying thing with that is that the AI civs will completely surround inland cities with their moronic troops, and then you either have to go to war with them or bribe them to leave. Öjevind >>>>Or if you want to make the revolution easy: Build exactly two coastal >>>>cities. Stuff them with cannon. The AI would expend it's entire [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > >Note that I said *COASTAL* cities. I *did* note that. >It's that the AI would attack two locations, cities if they existed. >By making exactly two such cities you could give the AI a target it >would be sure to go for and thus you could put all of your defenses >(other than anything for dealing with Indians) in those locations. I wonder how the new version will deal with the Indians? I used to wait until they attacked me, then I could justify retaliating in self-defence. Of course, having the Spanish nearby could be useful where stroppy Indians were concerned... :) SignaturePaul 'Charts Fan' Hyett [snip] > Of course, having the Spanish nearby could be useful where stroppy Indians > were concerned... :) I'm afraid I share your sentiment there. If the Spaniards turned out to be my neighbours, I foten waited until they had wiped out the Indian settlements near my colonies before I wiped out them. I believe there are indications that in the new Col, Indian villages may simply assimilate into your civilization. That would be quite historical; it happened all over Latin America for centuries. Öjevind >[snip] > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >my neighbours, I foten waited until they had wiped out the Indian >settlements near my colonies before I wiped out them. They always used to have their villages right next to the resources I wanted, so I couldn't help pissing them off if I wanted to exploit them... ISTM a good feature for the new version would be for the Indians to be able to form new settlements, just as Civ barbarians can. SignaturePaul 'Charts Fan' Hyett [snip] > ISTM a good feature for the new version would be for the Indians to be > able to form new settlements, just as Civ barbarians can. Agreed. It would make sense too. Öjevind > [snip] > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Öjevind Will they add more Civs in Revolution? It's always interesting to see some new faces. Andre >Will they add more Civs in Revolution? It's always interesting to see >some new faces. But perhaps not familiar ones, given how many major historical leaders they've already used... SignaturePaul 'Charts Fan' Hyett >> I can't even remember what the music from Colonization sounds like - the >> game will run on my old WinME computer, but without sound. > >I thought the music was wonderful. I do hope they'll keep it. Some of it is in Civ4, of course. [Rather late reply - just been checking back through the thread] SignaturePaul 'Charts Fan' Hyett [snip] >>> I can't even remember what the music from Colonization sounds like - the >>> game will run on my old WinME computer, but without sound. >> >>I thought the music was wonderful. I do hope they'll keep it. > > Some of it is in Civ4, of course. Truem, but in a rather muted form. As you have no doubt noted, they have also introduced the old barbarian/Aztec mudic in the same way, and one or two melodies from Civ III. Know which tune I'd like back in Civ? The one from one of the Civ II XP's which was called "The World of Jules Verne" - a swelling, triumphant, absolutely wonderful melody which would do very nicely for the opitmistic late Victorian age. Also, that gung-ho, jazzy melody they had in in Civ III and which always began when one reached the industrial era. Öjevind >[snip] > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >had in in Civ III and which always began when one reached the industrial >era. I'm sure 'Ode To Joy' was on one of the Civs somewhere? SignaturePaul 'Charts Fan' Hyett [snip] > I'm sure 'Ode To Joy' was on one of the Civs somewhere? Oh yes, it was the theme for "We Love the King Day" in both Civ II and Civ III. Maybe even in Civ I; I'm not sure. Öjevomd |
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