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Stop the Crossposting:  Kill File Gactimus

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JoeSmooth - 26 Dec 2004 22:58 GMT
Gactimus has started a big percentage of the cross posting across our groups
usually political and antagonistic in nature.   Yet, we keep feeding him
again and again.  Now that the political season is over in the US it's
especially uncalled for.  I've plonked him long ago but replies to his
threads are still constantly poping up.

Of course it's always ironic when someone cross posts to ask for people to
stop crossposting.   This is my first and last attempt to appeal to everyone
to boycott him at least in action if not in kill file.
Choykw - 27 Dec 2004 02:24 GMT
He is not crossposting, he is trolling. Plonked him over and over long time
ago.

Regards

> Gactimus has started a big percentage of the cross posting across our
> groups
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> everyone
> to boycott him at least in action if not in kill file.
Vince - 27 Dec 2004 10:51 GMT
> He is not crossposting, he is trolling. Plonked him over and over long
> time ago.

He is Crosstrolling. I agree with Joe Smooth.

And I will stand up and be counted.

(I am now standing. In my left hand is a copy of 'PC Gamer', and I have
raised my right hand in readiness for the oath).

"I hereby agree never to respond to a Gactimus post again".

Will anyone else do the same?
Gandalf  Parker - 27 Dec 2004 14:47 GMT
"Vince" <vmelia@nospamblueyonder.co.uk> wrote in news:SORzd.11473$0W6.1761
@fe2.news.blueyonder.co.uk:

>> He is not crossposting, he is trolling. Plonked him over and over long
>> time ago.
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
> Will anyone else do the same?

He is one of the new alt.troll players. His purposes and tactics are
different than they old trolls. Plonk and refuse to answer if you wish, it
will probably save you some stress. But that doesnt hurt his purposes. In
fact, in newsgroups with slow traffic it can only aid his mission.

Gandalf  Parker
Vince - 27 Dec 2004 14:58 GMT
"Gandalf Parker" wrote

> He is one of the new alt.troll players. His purposes and tactics are
> different than they old trolls. Plonk and refuse to answer if you wish, it
> will probably save you some stress. But that doesnt hurt his purposes. In
> fact, in newsgroups with slow traffic it can only aid his mission.

I don't understand that.

Now trolls want us to ignore them?

The cunning Devils win either way.
Gandalf  Parker - 27 Dec 2004 15:54 GMT
> "Gandalf Parker" wrote
>
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> Now trolls want us to ignore them?
> The cunning Devils win either way.

Trolls used to be members of the newsgroup they trolled, just with a
habit of only making posts which stirred things up.

Now the alt.troll players are coming in with an agenda. The usual tactics
involve sitting in a "home" newsgroup (usually one already "owned"). They
target groups which they sometimes justify as "full of people who are too
involved with something and need to be forced to quit and rejoin the real
world". Crossposting to many newsgroups at once which they feel they can
convert to garbage. The "scoreboard" goal is to get the traffic in a
group up over 75% worthless trash so that anyone coming into the group to
ask a real question will be turned off by what they see.

Filters and killfiles do not affect alt.troll players. In fact, they aid
them. The regulars fail to see what the newsgroup really looks like and
the group fades from use without them understanding why.

You CAN hurt them if you discover their "home" newsgroup where they sit
and watch all of their handywork. Deleting that group from all
discussions, or even trimming the crossposts to only the group you are
in, can help. Some groups are heavily trafficked by only a couple of
trolls because troll in home-group A is including group B in his posts,
and troll in home-group C is also including B, so they end up troll-
responding to each other building a traffic count in the other groups
which both include in their posts.

It can  also be helpful to forward the posts with full headers back to
the posting source. Such actions are usually agains the guidelines of the
source system.

Gandalf  Parker
Kaos - 28 Dec 2004 10:05 GMT
First, I think your message was crossposted to the new 'home group.'
I took a guess that it was alt.world and stripped that one.

<snip>
>Filters and killfiles do not affect alt.troll players. In fact, they aid
>them. The regulars fail to see what the newsgroup really looks like and
>the group fades from use without them understanding why.

The logic seems flaky there.  Filters keep people from inadvertantly
feeding the trolls, thus reducing the bandwidth taken up by the troll
threads and increasing the (regular's) focus on what the group is
supposedly about.

Maintaining one's focus on the actual purpose of the group is the best
defence.  

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Gandalf  Parker - 28 Dec 2004 14:30 GMT
> First, I think your message was crossposted to the new 'home group.'
> I took a guess that it was alt.world and stripped that one.
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> threads and increasing the (regular's) focus on what the group is
> supposedly about.

Not responding is also good but if you check some of the "owned" groups
you will see the result of the filter-defense. Huge amounts of daily
traffic which is caused by troll George sitting in A and posting to A,
B, C, D, E. And troll Bugs sitting in I and posting to E, F, G, H, I.
The overlap in grouip "I" has them trolling back and forth to each other
while flooding 10 groups. If all of the regulars in a low-traffic group
filter it out then they dont see what new people see so the group dies
without them knowing why.

> Maintaining one's focus on the actual purpose of the group is the best
> defence.  

Also a good thing. Often the trolled subject is almost close to being on
topic so if the discussion refuses to be pulled into the never-ending
name calling threads, and keeps a fairly on-topic discussion going, then
the damage is cut. In fact, the troll will have achieved boosting the
traffic of the group they are trying to kill. Removing the home-group
from conversations helps the conversation continue without sewage being
inserted into it.

Gandalf  Parker
Kaos - 29 Dec 2004 07:26 GMT
>> First, I think your message was crossposted to the new 'home group.'
>> I took a guess that it was alt.world and stripped that one.
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
>filter it out then they dont see what new people see so the group dies
>without them knowing why.

Take the filters out, and in most cases a good chunk of the regulars
give up on the group.  That speeds the process along faster than
turning a blind eye to what's keeping the fresh meat out.

One of the newsgroups I read has survived countless troll invasions,
including one fueled by a hipcrime bot.  It took only a minuscule
portion of the group 'trollspotting' to keep things alive - everyone
else filtered, and the trollspottings anounced to newbies what was
going on.  The trollspottings also advised newbies on how to set up
filters to deal with the invasion.

The group wasn't even newbie friendly to begin with, but they kept
coming anyway.  I think watching the troll invasion falter was even a
bit of an attraction for some of them.  (Now I'd say it's almost too
newbie-friendly, but that's another debate entirely.)

>> Maintaining one's focus on the actual purpose of the group is the best
>> defence.  
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>name calling threads, and keeps a fairly on-topic discussion going, then
>the damage is cut.

Heh.  One of the more interesting tacts taken was to hijack the troll
threads:  trim the crosspost down, ignore what the troll said and
carry on with 'on topic' conversation.  Of course, the group was
rather general to begin with, so 'on topic' was a broad category.

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Gabriele Neukam - 29 Dec 2004 20:36 GMT
On that special day, Kaos, (kaos@ecn.ab.ca) said...

> One of the newsgroups I read has survived countless troll invasions,
> including one fueled by a hipcrime bot.

I think I was referring to this case, just today, in said group, in a
response to a certain Sensei.

I didn't notice that you are reading this group, too. It looks like old
game geeks are also old security geeks. You don't seem to post there as
"Kaos".

Gabriele Neukam

Gabriele.Spamfighter.Neukam@t-online.de

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Kaos - 31 Dec 2004 23:53 GMT
>On that special day, Kaos, (kaos@ecn.ab.ca) said...
>
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>game geeks are also old security geeks. You don't seem to post there as
>"Kaos".

Wrong group, tho I might have lurked there at one time.

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Gactimus - 28 Dec 2004 02:24 GMT
> Gactimus has started a big percentage of the cross posting across our
> groups usually political and antagonistic in nature.   Yet, we keep
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> to stop crossposting.   This is my first and last attempt to appeal to
> everyone to boycott him at least in action if not in kill file.

You complain about crossposting yet you crossposted this post. You f.cking
moron.
Gabriele Neukam - 28 Dec 2004 18:08 GMT
On that special day, Gactimus, (gactimus@xrs.net) said...

> You complain about crossposting yet you crossposted this post. You f.cking
> moron.

There is a German saying, that goes: A hit Dog barks. He hit a soft
spot, didn't he?

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Gabriele.Spamfighter.Neukam@t-online.de

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Chuck - 30 Dec 2004 15:25 GMT
> You complain about crossposting yet you crossposted this post. You f.cking
> moron.

Gactimus, your the only moron here. And your also vet annoying. Get a life
damn it.
Chuck - 30 Dec 2004 15:20 GMT
he changed his news provider since the last time I report that moron...

Report him here instead

http://www.usenetabuse.com
Gactimus - 30 Dec 2004 16:01 GMT
> he changed his news provider since the last time I report that moron...
>
> Report him here instead
>
> http://www.usenetabuse.com

*snicker*

Let me know how that works out for you.
Morgan Sales - 30 Dec 2004 22:52 GMT
>> he changed his news provider since the last time I report that
>> moron...
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
> Let me know how that works out for you.

Mind answering a question?

Why do you keep cross-posting completely irrelevant stuff over unrelated
newsgroups?  Just for kicks?  Do you desperately crave attention that you
can't find in the outside world? Are you just having a laugh? Or are you
just a bit sad, even by Usenet standards?

If you were generally interested in a debate on the subjects then you'd post
to a relevant group.

I'll take no response, or anything other that a reasonable, polite response
as an admission of being a sad pathetic little troll.

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Daniel Kolle - 31 Dec 2004 23:08 GMT
>Gactimus has started a big percentage of the cross posting across our groups
>usually political and antagonistic in nature.   Yet, we keep feeding him
>again and again.  Now that the political season is over in the US it's
>especially uncalled for.

The political season is never over, you apathetic moron.
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