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Game Forum / Nintendo / GameCube / August 2004Electronic Gaming Monthly Letter
Either that or Game Pro had a letter from some guy about how Nintendo is blowing it and the GC isn't that good,etc.. basically what ive been saying for the last year yet I get flamed for it but the response to the guys letter was "We hear ya, pal" I guess the guys at that magazine need a few 100 emails from the morons on this NG telling them they're stupid and how they live at home and don't get laid enough. Without the hand helds, Nintendo would be gone now. The small amount of losers that buy GC consoles/games aren't doing dick. The big price drop is a joke as most GC systems are gathering dust. You faggots can play with your Zelda and save all the cute little princess's you want. Anyone with any balls or brains will be playing Halo 2, GTA, GT 4, Silent Hill, Doom 3,etc......Take a look at the top ten sales for big 3. LMAO at GC!!!! And no, I don't give a flying f.ck if I misspelled a word or didn't put a period,etc.. in the right place. That's all you faggots can bring up when you know you've been beat. > Either that or Game Pro had a letter from some guy about how Nintendo is > blowing it and the GC isn't that good,etc.. basically what ive been saying [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > didn't put a period,etc.. in the right place. That's all you faggots can > bring up when you know you've been beat. I have money, so can afford all three systems. I can also afford games for all three systems. But, unfortunatly I can't afford the time to play every great game on every system. Do you know what I have to do then - play the games that I like to play. Halo was a fantastic game that helpped me through a depressive stint a few months ago. Wind Waker, despite it's style, is one of the best games ever. And don't even get me started on Final Fantasy X. I could talk about that "game" for hours on end, and still not be done telling you how great I think it is. What's the point of this? Just because I love my Nintendo, I have the sense to not not play other systems. I also have the money avalable to me to actually buy the games I want. If, however, you don't (and it is pretty obvious that you don't) then that is okay too. You can only afford the games for one console, so you can't get the best of what everyone has to offer. But this is okay. Sure, you now have a narrow view of the world and you can't see the wood for the trees... But that too is okay. God loves you no matter how poor you are. --The Kicksen, bringing you a message from god. "> I have money, so can afford all three systems. I can also afford games > for all three systems. Wow! Big f.cking deal. I had ALL 3 systems myself but sold the hell out of the Lame Cube. I also have a kick a.s PC so do I win now or do you want to start measuring dick sizes next? Of course you can always fall back on the amazingly old "you misspelled a word" comeback. That seems to be all the proof anyone needs around here to rebut someone. > "> I have money, so can afford all three systems. I can also afford games > >>for all three systems. > > Wow! Big f.cking deal. I had ALL 3 systems myself but sold the hell out of > the Lame Cube. Needed that bit of extra money for your <insert addiction here> problem. > I also have a kick a.s PC so do I win now or do you want to > start measuring dick sizes next? The point of my post was not to make you feel small and poor - but to make you see that just because you can't afford something does not make it bad. > Of course you can always fall back on the > amazingly old "you misspelled a word" comeback. That seems to be all the > proof anyone needs around here to rebut someone. Well, let's face it. You don't win any arguments by being a stupid w.nker - and misspelling words is just the sort of proof that people need to see that you are a stupid w.nker. > "> I have money, so can afford all three systems. I can also afford games > > for all three systems. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > amazingly old "you misspelled a word" comeback. That seems to be all the > proof anyone needs around here to rebut someone. You forgot the comma after "kick a.s PC". > Of course you can always fall back on the > amazingly old "you misspelled a word" comeback. That seems to be all the > proof anyone needs around here to rebut someone. Well, Jimmy-boy, when one is pretending to be a "mature" gamer, it does hurt one's argument to say something like "DuD4, LAEM cUb4 SUX0RS!@!" Which is why we think it *is* a valid point.  Signature"I am deeply troubled by my own increasing certainty that I have in fact presided over 60,000 deaths. There is no longer serious doubt in my mind that human life exists from the very onset of pregnancy" --Dr. Bernard Nathanson, "Deeper Into Abortion" New England Journal of Medicine Nov 1974 Ok, first off I'm going to say I'm a big Nintendo fan. I've got all their consoles (barr GBC & GBP), and most of my games are made by first, or second parties. So I guess that firmly puts me in the "fanboy" category (well, "fanman" as I'm 22). Now to my response... > Either that or Game Pro had a letter from some guy about how Nintendo is > blowing it and the GC isn't that good,etc.. I agree. The gcn is poor compared to the X-Box & PS2. It's main titles are by Nintendo, who have still got the "fuzzy-wuzzy" image, that doesn't appeal to the majority of the gaming public. The N64 started the slide by keeping carts, and not using optical media. > basically what ive been saying > for the last year yet I get flamed for it I don't know through personal experience, as I try never to "flame" anyone, but most Nintendo "fanboys" are overly protective of Nintendo, even when they know in their heart that they're curretly sucking. Examples: WW is no where near as good as LttP or MM, let alone OoT Mario Sunshine is visually stunning, but plays rubbish compared to M64, and Mario World Mario Kart DD vs Mario Kart 64 - no content > but the response to the guys > letter was "We hear ya, pal" I guess the guys at that magazine need a few > 100 emails from the morons on this NG telling them they're stupid and how > they live at home and don't get laid enough. I resent being called a moron, some of us on the NG are actually level-headed people. But yes, some of them are morons... Anyway. Like I said before, I agree too. I hope the new MD can turn things around in the next generation fight. > Without the hand helds, > Nintendo would be gone now. imo they'd still make games. Like Sega do. > The small amount of losers that buy GC > consoles/games aren't doing dick. Again, I resent being called a loser. I have a well paid computer programming job, I have a commited girlfriend, and a loving family. Something many people in the world don't have. I'd hardly call that losing. I'm not really sure what you mean by "aren't doing dick" - I would guess you mean are unemployed? Or > The big price drop is a joke as most GC systems are gathering dust. Price drops are natural, and nothing to do with sales. Everything comes down in price. From PDAs, to TVs, Mobile phones to PS2s. My gcn doesn't get chance to gather dust. Only last w/e I took it round to my mates house (who has an X-Box) and 5 of us played Super Smash Bros. Melee, and we even got his g/f playing by Sunday evening (she kicked a.s might I add). The same friend (and another) and I were at my place last night playing it again. I also play a lot of Harvet Moon on my own, or with my g/f too. > You > faggots can play with your Zelda and save all the cute little princess's you > want. As I pointed out before, I've got a g/f, thus cannot be a faggot. And I enjoy saving princess's. It's nice to have continuity between games. Look at GTA3. 5 games all based on the same idea. Steal cars, do missions, kill people, and aviod police. 3 of those five are coming in the current generation of consoles, but no-one complains about them. Sports games, especially footbal games, are as popular as ever, even though they've hardly changed in the past 10 years! If it aint broke... don't fix it. > Anyone with any balls or brains will be playing Halo 2, GTA, GT 4, > Silent Hill, Doom 3,etc...... Having balls, or brains has nothing to do with the games you play. As I said I'm a computer programmer, as I would say I have brains, and the only game you listed there that interests me is Doom III, which I'm getting soon for my PC. > Take a look at the top ten sales for big 3. > LMAO at GC!!!! Dunno about the US charts, but here's top top 5 in the UK: GameCube - http://www.gamestracker.co.uk/cube/chart.htm 1. Spider-Man 2 2. Sonic Heroes 3. Mario Golf: Toadstool Tour 4. Pokemon: Colosseum 5. The Simpsons: Hit & Run PS2 - http://www.gamestracker.co.uk/ps2/chart.htm 1. Spider-Man 2 2. DRIV3R 3. Athens 2004 4. Shrek 2 5. Formula One 2004 X-Box - http://www.gamestracker.co.uk/xbox/chart.htm 1. Spider-Man 2 2. DRIV3R 3. Full Spectrum Warrior 4. Tom Clancy's Splinter Cell: Pandora Tomorrow 5. Sonic Heros I don't see what's so funny tbh. Spiderman II tops all 3 charts. Next is DRIV3R which isn't available on the GCN (which is a shame imo). Then we get to the stupid titles like Mario Golf, Shrek 2 and Athens 2004. The X-Box is the only console with a solid top-5. > And no, I don't give a flying f.ck if I misspelled a word or > didn't put a period,etc.. in the right place. That's all you faggots can > bring up when you know you've been beat. Is a flying f.ck when you join the mile-high club? Can't say I noticed anything majorly wrong with your post. But then, I'm no English teacher. > I agree. The gcn is poor compared to the X-Box & PS2. It's main titles > are by Nintendo, who have still got the "fuzzy-wuzzy" image, that > doesn't appeal to the majority of the gaming public. The N64 started the > slide by keeping carts, and not using optical media. Image isn't important. Fun is. Lest we forget, that's why we play games. For fun. Not storylines, "mature" themes, or boobs. Those things are (sometimes) nice additions, and make games like Deus Ex what they are, however that's not what gaming is about, it's about having fun. And I think Wind Waker is barrels more fun than DOA3. > I don't know through personal experience, as I try never to "flame" > anyone, but most Nintendo "fanboys" are overly protective of Nintendo, > even when they know in their heart that they're curretly sucking. Examples: > WW is no where near as good as LttP or MM, let alone OoT That's your opinion. I think Wind Waker is the second-best Zelda after LttP. For the record, I didn't think I'd like it much, I thought the graphics were goofy. Playing it taught me an important lesson. I think it has the best story of all the Zelda games, the best presentation, and some of the most innovative play-styles and enemies. LttP one-ups it in dungeon design (LttP is a masterpiece of puzzles) and I also prefer the Hyrulean terrain (though the sailing was fun). > Mario Sunshine is visually stunning, but plays rubbish compared to M64, > and Mario World I disagree, go back and play Mario 64, I did after getting Sunshine. Mario 64 seems rather primitive and dated, it's obviously a first-generation game for the N64, doesn't have the same pop after all these years as Mario World or Mario Bros. 3. I don't think Sunshine is as good as Yoshi's Island, but it *is* more fun than Mario 64, if not nearly as innovative. There's a difference between being a non-fanboy and being a contrarian. I think it was a mistake to rely on carts for N64, I think Yamauchi made major blunders by driving away third parties and treating them like garbage, and Virtual Boy should not have been released without at least another year or two of R&D, if it was to be released at all. > Mario Kart DD vs Mario Kart 64 - no content You can't be serious, you prefer the cheating AI of Mario Kart 64? DD had some glaring omissions in terms of weapons but COME ON, at least you can wipe a guy out with a shell and be sure he won't zoom back up to first place in three stinkin' seconds. Of course, the SNES version is king. >> Without the hand helds, >> Nintendo would be gone now. > > imo they'd still make games. Like Sega do. I don't understand this view, the Gamecube makes money for Nintendo. The market isn't like the 80s, it's grown. Their installed base is the same as X-Box's, their first and second party games sell well. Even third-party games do well, look at SCII. People thought SCII on GC was a token release, some couldn't even believe they were bothering releasing it on GC, and it out-sold the PS2 and X-Box versions. > As I pointed out before, I've got a g/f, thus cannot be a faggot. And I > enjoy saving princess's. It's nice to have continuity between games. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > though they've hardly changed in the past 10 years! If it aint broke... > don't fix it. You're missing something important, to these X-Box and Sony fanboys, it's all about attitude, thematic content, coolness, etc. They'd play Mario and Zelda just like us if you changed the graphics and story to something more "edgy." And in my opinion, a person who really appreciates games (as opposed to merely playing them for entertainment or to pass time), doesn't let things like that stop them from playing a game. > Having balls, or brains has nothing to do with the games you play. As I > said I'm a computer programmer, as I would say I have brains, and the > only game you listed there that interests me is Doom III, which I'm > getting soon for my PC. ...where FPS were born, and meant to be played with mouse-and-keyboard. Signature"I am deeply troubled by my own increasing certainty that I have in fact presided over 60,000 deaths. There is no longer serious doubt in my mind that human life exists from the very onset of pregnancy" --Dr. Bernard Nathanson, "Deeper Into Abortion" New England Journal of Medicine Nov 1974 > Image isn't important. Fun is. Lest we forget, that's why we play > games. For fun. Not storylines, "mature" themes, or boobs. Those > things are (sometimes) nice additions, and make games like Deus Ex > what they are, however that's not what gaming is about, it's about > having fun. And I think Wind Waker is barrels more fun than DOA3. I don't think you can make a direct comparison of WW and DOA3 - that's not fair to either game. While DOA3 may get boring fast when played single player - it is a ton of fun to play against someone. I find all the emphasis on the female fighters a bit of a pain frankly...and it really irritates me when my husband decides to play one of them in a scantily clad outfit against me. Even with that irritation I really do enjoy kicking his but in a fighting game occasionally and DOA3 has decent control and really looks good on a big screen. WW is just a great game all the way through. It was my first Zelda game and is my 2nd favorite with OOT leading by a bit. I haven't played MM or LttP yet... >>Image isn't important. Fun is. Lest we forget, that's why we play >>games. For fun. Not storylines, "mature" themes, or boobs. Those [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > I don't think you can make a direct comparison of WW and DOA3 - that's not > fair to either game. Okay, for DOA3 substitute the big name X-Box/PS2 game of your choice. :-) I'm not a Nintendo fanboy just because I think the other *consoles* have to few appealing games. After all, I play my PC, and I was always a fan of Sega, even back when they were directly competing with my precious Nintendo. Some of us gamers just think that with PS2 and X-Box, games have lost their way, becoming more about style than substance, about hipness than fun. > While DOA3 may get boring fast when played single > player - it is a ton of fun to play against someone. I find all the emphasis > on the female fighters a bit of a pain frankly...and it really irritates me > when my husband decides to play one of them in a scantily clad outfit > against me. Can't change outfits like in SCII? That's what I do. I don't need to see perfectly-animated bouncing boobs in a game, that's just obscene. > WW is just a great game all the way through. It was my first Zelda game and > is my 2nd favorite with OOT leading by a bit. I haven't played MM or LttP > yet... WHAT???? You haven't played Link to the Past? It's one of the best-designed games in history. You'll notice a lot of striking similarities to OoT (instead of switching times, you switch between the light and the dark world, but many of the items are the same). Dig out your SNES and buy a used copy....NOW!!! Signature"I am deeply troubled by my own increasing certainty that I have in fact presided over 60,000 deaths. There is no longer serious doubt in my mind that human life exists from the very onset of pregnancy" --Dr. Bernard Nathanson, "Deeper Into Abortion" New England Journal of Medicine Nov 1974 > Some of us gamers just think that with PS2 and X-Box, games have lost > their way, becoming more about style than substance, about hipness > than fun. Lol - I love style but the gameplay has to be there too...I loved Jet Set Radio Future. Xbox was my first console and at first I was so sure I wouldn't by a Cube..then WW came out and I had to have one. Shortly after that I noticed that there weren't many new Xbox games I was interested in but quite a few Cube games I wanted to try so at this point my Xbox is mostly gathering dust though I will break it out again and try to finish Ninja Gaiden at some point and still have Leagacy of Kain to play. >> While DOA3 may get boring fast when played single >> player - it is a ton of fun to play against someone. I find all the [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Can't change outfits like in SCII? That's what I do. I don't need to > see perfectly-animated bouncing boobs in a game, that's just obscene. Yeah you can - lots of outfits but my husband some times picks ones he knows will irritate me... >> WW is just a great game all the way through. It was my first Zelda >> game and is my 2nd favorite with OOT leading by a bit. I haven't [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Dig out your SNES and buy a used copy....NOW!!! Sadly, I am new to consoling...never had an SNES...always a PC gamer until Xbox. At this point I don't play games on the PC just because I work on a PC all day and just don't want to use one at home when I don't have to - just feels too much like work sitting in front of a PC. > Lol - I love style but the gameplay has to be there too...I loved Jet Set > Radio Future. Xbox was my first console Where you been? You missed out on Atari, NES, SNES & Genesis? Never played Ocarina of Time or Super Mario 64? Tsk, tsk, tsk, this is like a movie buff not seeing anything before the 80s. At least tell me you've been playing the PC? > Yeah you can - lots of outfits but my husband some times picks ones he knows > will irritate me... It's a distraction, even if you aren't genetically hypnotized by boobs. They're big, they bounce around comically, and in fast-paced fighting games you can't be looking at something extraneous. I also think the guy who made DOA3 is a twerp. I read an interview with him in NG (that's Next Generation, what used to be the best magazine for gamers, but they turned crappy and folded). > Sadly, I am new to consoling...never had an SNES...always a PC gamer until > Xbox. Well jeepers, why buy an X-Box if you play the PC? The best X-Box games are out on PC already. > At this point I don't play games on the PC just because I work on a PC > all day and just don't want to use one at home when I don't have to - just > feels too much like work sitting in front of a PC. Ah, Grim Fandango and Monkey Island aren't work. Great escapism, after a hard day at work. Signature"I am deeply troubled by my own increasing certainty that I have in fact presided over 60,000 deaths. There is no longer serious doubt in my mind that human life exists from the very onset of pregnancy" --Dr. Bernard Nathanson, "Deeper Into Abortion" New England Journal of Medicine Nov 1974 >> Lol - I love style but the gameplay has to be there too...I loved >> Jet Set Radio Future. Xbox was my first console > > Where you been? You missed out on Atari, NES, SNES & Genesis? Never > played Ocarina of Time or Super Mario 64? Tsk, tsk, tsk, this is > like a movie buff not seeing anything before the 80s. I played OOT on the cube... I did try to buy an N64 when they came out but couldn't get one so I gave up til Xbox which I bought at launch. Well, I did have one of the original pong games - all it did was Pong... I did just pick up a used N64 for like $5 - haven't grabbed any games besides Pokemon Stadium for it yet. > Well jeepers, why buy an X-Box if you play the PC? The best X-Box > games are out on PC already. Don't think Ninja Gaiden is out for PC...could be wrong though. In any case my favorite Xbox games aren't out on PC - JSRF, Munch's Oddysee, DDR ( actually this might be but a dance pad works better with console), Sphinx...not being a big war game fan - most of the ones that go quickly to PC don't interest me - ie Splinter Cell, Rainbow Six...etc. I even enjoyed the flawed Blinx - really hoping Blinx 2 gets rid of the issues - the original was a great idea with a bad implementation. > Ah, Grim Fandango and Monkey Island aren't work. Great escapism, > after a hard day at work. Yeah but I don't have the PC hooked up to the hidef big screen or the kick-a.s surround system like I do my consoles..plus there is the playing on the couch with the hubby part too. I suppose I could hook up the PC to the Big screen etc but then I would be constantly ripping apart my PC for upgrades and while that used to be fun - it just doesn't have the same appeal any more. Anyway, here are the games I'm looking foreward to: Cube : Pikmin 2, Paper Mario 2, Metroid Prime 2, Tak 2, Digimon game Xbox : Blinx 2, Fable, Mortal Kombat Deception CE, Otogi 2, next Oddworld game... > I played OOT on the cube... I did try to buy an N64 when they came out but > couldn't get one Heh, towards the end of the N64's life cycle there were *plenty* left at my local Toys R Us. They were Pokemon-shaped though. Pikachu's foot was the power button. so I gave up til Xbox which I bought at launch. Well, I did > have one of the original pong games - all it did was Pong... > > I did just pick up a used N64 for like $5 - haven't grabbed any games > besides Pokemon Stadium for it yet. Some of the best N64 games were bombs that almost nobody else seems to remember. Here are my recommendations: Rocket: Robot on Wheels (a platform-style game with an amazing physics system and a multitude of gameplay options, hugely innovative and fun but didn't sell well IIRC) Blast Corps (this one shows its age, but it's great fun. Essentially the object of the game is to knock down buildings that are in the way of a rogue nuclear missile on a truck, using a variety of vehicles, from giant robot suits to bulldozers to armed motorcycles. There are a billion levels and mini-levels, and the puzzles are intricate, it isn't all smashy-smashy, you have to plan). Super Mario 64 (not only the first 3D Mario, it also revolutionized 3D gameplay for a variety of genres. This is like Pong or Zork, it's a hugely influential game that you have to play if for no other reason than to experience such an important game) Banjo-Kazooie (accused of being a Super Mario 64 rip-off, this game is actually more fun and aged better, IMO.) Body Harvest (you go through multiple time periods and locales to fight giant bugs invading the earth. Sounds dumb but it, with Space Station: Silicon Valley, is the direct predecessor of the 3D go-anywhere mission-based gameplay you see in GTA3 and the like. You have multiple vehicles, NPCs, a story, etc. The graphics are puke but it's really fun) Space Station: Silicon Valley (this, along with Body Harvest, were made by DMA Design, the same company that created the GTA franchise, known for their unique, querky games. This one is hilarious, you play a microchip on an ancient space station overrun with robot animals. To advance through various missions and locales you have to "possess" dead robots, each one with unique moves, attacks, etc. The humor in this game is top-notch.) >>Ah, Grim Fandango and Monkey Island aren't work. Great escapism, >>after a hard day at work. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > upgrades and while that used to be fun - it just doesn't have the same > appeal any more. Well, you *can* hook a PC up to a tv and sound system, ya know. Get a wireless mouse and keyboard and go to town. Signature"I am deeply troubled by my own increasing certainty that I have in fact presided over 60,000 deaths. There is no longer serious doubt in my mind that human life exists from the very onset of pregnancy" --Dr. Bernard Nathanson, "Deeper Into Abortion" New England Journal of Medicine Nov 1974 > Well jeepers, why buy an X-Box if you play the PC? The best X-Box > games are out on PC already. No, they are not. > I'm not a Nintendo fanboy just because I think the other *consoles* have > to few appealing games. After all, I play my PC, and I was always a fan [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Some of us gamers just think that with PS2 and X-Box, games have lost > their way, becoming more about style than substance, about hipness than fun. Interesting rationalization you have going there. Utter lunacy but interesiting all the same. The other console have to few "appealing" games and yet the GC w/ the smallest library in both quanity of game game quantity of quality games is one of the most ignorant things I have read on these boards in awhile. Of course you could lack any taste but I suspect what is really going on is you deluding yourself into thinking what you stated above. >>Some of us gamers just think that with PS2 and X-Box, games have lost >>their way, becoming more about style than substance, about hipness than fun. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > taste but I suspect what is really going on is you deluding yourself > into thinking what you stated above. Or could it be that *you* are rationalizing? "Nobody with taste could possibly think the X-Box and PS2 aren't great systems, so anybody who says so must have no taste or be crazy." I don't demand quantity, I don't buy hundreds of games, I demand quality. Gamecube gives that to me. Apart from the first-party games, I have Monkey Ball, Sphinx, SCII, Viewtiful Joe, etc. A lot of the good games for PS2 and X-Box are out on GC anyway, and the exclusives don't interest me enough to actually buy the systems. For the most part I think their respective libraries represent the current, sad state of the industry: games that rely on hipness, style, and thematic content over actual fun. Signature"I am deeply troubled by my own increasing certainty that I have in fact presided over 60,000 deaths. There is no longer serious doubt in my mind that human life exists from the very onset of pregnancy" --Dr. Bernard Nathanson, "Deeper Into Abortion" New England Journal of Medicine Nov 1974 >> I agree. The gcn is poor compared to the X-Box & PS2. It's main titles >> are by Nintendo, who have still got the "fuzzy-wuzzy" image, that [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > they are, however that's not what gaming is about, it's about having > fun. And I think Wind Waker is barrels more fun than DOA3. I agree, it is all about fun. But if you have a fuzzy-wuzzy image, the general gaming public wont buy the games in the first place because they see them as crap, purely and simply on the graphics. That. Is. WRONG! Games should no longer be even RATED on graphics, as they're all just about as good as each other. It should be on gameplay, story, lastability, and most importantly funnes! >> I don't know through personal experience, as I try never to "flame" >> anyone, but most Nintendo "fanboys" are overly protective of Nintendo, [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > dungeon design (LttP is a masterpiece of puzzles) and I also prefer the > Hyrulean terrain (though the sailing was fun). The sailling did it for me, soooo boring. I was so glad when I got the abilty to warp. Additionally I thought it was way too short. >> Mario Sunshine is visually stunning, but plays rubbish compared to >> M64, and Mario World [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > as good as Yoshi's Island, but it *is* more fun than Mario 64, if not > nearly as innovative. I must admit I've not play Mario 64 since playing Sunshine, but with the the two inside my head I think Mario 64 is better. Might try playing 64 tonight, and see what comes out. > There's a difference between being a non-fanboy and being a contrarian. > I think it was a mistake to rely on carts for N64, I think Yamauchi > made major blunders by driving away third parties and treating them like > garbage, and Virtual Boy should not have been released without at least > another year or two of R&D, if it was to be released at all. I agree. >> Mario Kart DD vs Mario Kart 64 - no content > > You can't be serious, you prefer the cheating AI of Mario Kart 64? DD > had some glaring omissions in terms of weapons but COME ON, at least you > can wipe a guy out with a shell and be sure he won't zoom back up to > first place in three stinkin' seconds. That was annoying, but I found the multiplayer much MUCH *MUCH* better > Of course, the SNES version is king. Naturally! >>> Without the hand helds, >>> Nintendo would be gone now. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > a token release, some couldn't even believe they were bothering > releasing it on GC, and it out-sold the PS2 and X-Box versions. I don't really know how the market works, so tbh I was just going on what I knew from historical events. I guess if they make profit on every console and game, it doesn't matter how small the base is, because they're always making money. >> As I pointed out before, I've got a g/f, thus cannot be a faggot. And >> I enjoy saving princess's. It's nice to have continuity between games. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > or to pass time), doesn't let things like that stop them from playing a > game. Ahh, I see what you're saying. It's like, when did gaming become a fasion statement? Do the films you watch make you "cool"? I don't think so >> Having balls, or brains has nothing to do with the games you play. As >> I said I'm a computer programmer, as I would say I have brains, and >> the only game you listed there that interests me is Doom III, which >> I'm getting soon for my PC. > > ...where FPS were born, and meant to be played with mouse-and-keyboard. Exactly. Can't wait for HL2 :oD > I agree, it is all about fun. But if you have a fuzzy-wuzzy image, the > general gaming public wont buy the games in the first place because they > see them as crap, purely and simply on the graphics. So Nintendo won't be as successful as Sony? Fine with me, they don't need to be number one to turn a profit in the console market, which Nintendo is doing. Now, from the point of view of a businessman who wants as much control as possible, then getting the largest audience possible *is* an issue, but if we're talking about games, not popularity or sales, then *fun* is more important. To me, Sony and Microsoft are like current Hollywood studios, churning out mostly crappy and average games that sell big anyway, while Nintendo is more like a smaller movie studio that invests in fewer but better films. They don't dominate, they may not have as many chart-toppers every month, but they are the source for the best games. > The sailling did it for me, soooo boring. I was so glad when I got the > abilty to warp. Additionally I thought it was way too short. Forgive me, but you're just too good at games. Full Throttle, now there's a short game. Luigi's Mansion, also short. Wind Waker ain't short unless you plow through it three hours a day like a coked-up monkey. And I liked the sailing. I guess next you'll tell me Pilotwings 64 was boring and simplistic, eh? :-P Ooh, that reminds me, do you know if Nintendo is working on another Pilotwings game? Imagine Pilotwings with GC-level graphics. Or Revolution-level graphics, that would make a nice launch release. > I must admit I've not play Mario 64 since playing Sunshine, but with the > the two inside my head I think Mario 64 is better. Might try playing 64 > tonight, and see what comes out. Well, I had such a blast from the first time I picked up the controller with Sunshine, I knew right away I liked it better than SM64, but I still didn't think it would have appeared to age so badly. The game obviously grew in my mind. I remembered sharp, eye-popping 3D graphics and found a blurry, low-res game with super-simple textures and huge, blocky polygon models. Not to mention that the levels I remembered being huge and intricate were actually way simpler than I imagined. This isn't a slam on the N64, I think Banjo Kazooie has aged pretty well, and so has OoT. >> There's a difference between being a non-fanboy and being a >> contrarian. I think it was a mistake to rely on carts for N64, I [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > I agree. Well do you think I'm a fanboy? Plenty of other (Microsoft and Sony fanboys) on this group think so, even though I often point out mistakes they've made and I *don't* think every new incarnation of a Nintendo franchise is the bee's knees, case in point: MK64. >> You can't be serious, you prefer the cheating AI of Mario Kart 64? DD >> had some glaring omissions in terms of weapons but COME ON, at least >> you can wipe a guy out with a shell and be sure he won't zoom back up >> to first place in three stinkin' seconds. > > That was annoying, but I found the multiplayer much MUCH *MUCH* better Really? Why's that? I'd have to say I don't see a huge difference in their multi-player modes, except for the battlemode, which has gotten progressively worse. Battle mode in the original MK was as fun as the grand prix because of it's incredible simplicity and balance (not to mention the jumping feather, which added a whole other dimension to gameplay that was totally missing in subsequent battlemodes). Ahh, good memories, possibly my fondest in all of gaming. > I don't really know how the market works, so tbh I was just going on > what I knew from historical events. I guess if they make profit on every > console and game, it doesn't matter how small the base is, because > they're always making money. I think maybe it's wishful thinking on the Nintendo-nay-sayers' part. :-) All the console has to do for them is make a profit. Nintendo has so much money just sitting in the bank they could have a console turn *no* profit at all for an entire generation and still be able to bring another console to market in the next round. So don't worry about Nintendo just yet, they would have to be doing *really* badly for years before they even though about getting out of the console business. >> You're missing something important, to these X-Box and Sony fanboys, >> it's all about attitude, thematic content, coolness, etc. They'd play [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Ahh, I see what you're saying. It's like, when did gaming become a > fasion statement? Do the films you watch make you "cool"? I don't think so Yes, it's a lot like that. Once Atari was cool. Then Nintendo was cool. Then Sega stole some of Nintendo's coolness. Then Sega wasn't so cool anymore and Sony was the king of cool, now Microsoft shares the cool with them. Few people think Nintendo is cool, which is why you don't see as many "casual" gamers (people buying their first system, people buying a system for occassional play, people buying a system for a rec room) don't buy Nintendo. The sales guy doesn't say it's cool, their kids don't say it's cool, the media doesn't say it's cool. But millions of gamers have decided that Nintendo is *fun,* which is why they still make a profit in the console business. If Nintendo was such crap they simply wouldn't be making a profit. Coolness can sustain you in first or second place, but not third, because by then you ain't cool. >> ...where FPS were born, and meant to be played with mouse-and-keyboard. > > Exactly. Can't wait for HL2 :oD And it darn well better run on my PC and it better darn well come with TF2 for free. Oh, and team fortress should be an olympic event. *I'd* watch. Signature"I am deeply troubled by my own increasing certainty that I have in fact presided over 60,000 deaths. There is no longer serious doubt in my mind that human life exists from the very onset of pregnancy" --Dr. Bernard Nathanson, "Deeper Into Abortion" New England Journal of Medicine Nov 1974 > So Nintendo won't be as successful as Sony? Fine with me, they don't > need to be number one to turn a profit in the console market, which > Nintendo is doing. So long as they keep making top-quality games, I'll be happy with my GBA/GCN/DA/Revolution. >> The sailling did it for me, soooo boring. I was so glad when I got the >> abilty to warp. Additionally I thought it was way too short. > > Forgive me, but you're just too good at games. Full Throttle, now > there's a short game. Luigi's Mansion, also short. Wind Waker ain't > short unless you plow through it three hours a day like a coked-up monkey. Heck, me? Too good at games? I doubt that.I've never played full throttle or Luigi's mansion, but for a Zelda game, I thought WW was just too short. > And I liked the sailing. I guess next you'll tell me Pilotwings 64 was > boring and simplistic, eh? :-P Ooh, that reminds me, do you know if > Nintendo is working on another Pilotwings game? Imagine Pilotwings with > GC-level graphics. Or Revolution-level graphics, that would make a nice > launch release. Well, Pilotwings isn't Zelda. Pilotwings is designed to be a sit-back-and-relax type game (although most of the time it's as frustrating as hell) Zelda is an action adventure game, and sailing is neither action, nor adventure. But then, neither was the running around hyrule in OoT. At least in LttP there were monster everywere, and guards trying to arrest you. > Well do you think I'm a fanboy? Plenty of other (Microsoft and Sony > fanboys) on this group think so, even though I often point out mistakes > they've made and I *don't* think every new incarnation of a Nintendo > franchise is the bee's knees, case in point: MK64. I think you're pretty much like me. You recognise the good Nintendo titles, but are by no means affraid to say they've made mistakes, and have screwed up on many occations. But, however, you believe that they still make the best console games this side of Mars. >>> You can't be serious, you prefer the cheating AI of Mario Kart 64? >>> DD had some glaring omissions in terms of weapons but COME ON, at [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > mention the jumping feather, which added a whole other dimension to > gameplay that was totally missing in subsequent battlemodes). The levels were loads better (imo of course), The DD levels were way too small. Ok that lead to shorter games, but it also lead to unfair outcomes too, as you could just "fire and hope", in the knowledge that 75% of the time you'd hit someone. There was a lot more skill involved in the larger (and much more 3D - if you know what I mean) levels. Also the blue shell on MK64 was much better. >> I don't really know how the market works, so tbh I was just going on >> what I knew from historical events. I guess if they make profit on [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Nintendo just yet, they would have to be doing *really* badly for years > before they even though about getting out of the console business. Good point. I guess it would take a lot to take out Nintendo. They are over 100 years old after all! >>> You're missing something important, to these X-Box and Sony fanboys, >>> it's all about attitude, thematic content, coolness, etc. They'd [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > crap they simply wouldn't be making a profit. Coolness can sustain you > in first or second place, but not third, because by then you ain't cool. This point is well illusrated in my life. I'm not cool. In my own eyes I am a geek (I run a web site, spend most of my free time online, or playing games. I write computer programs). Yet, whenever I get together with friends (most of which are not geeks) it's always my gamecube we play on. I guess for one reason it's coz I have 4 contollers, but then, there's nothing to stop my X-Box friends bying 4. Mostly though I think it's because Monkey Balls & Smash Bros. are way more fun than anything on the PS2 or X-Box. Heck sometimes we even play on the N64 if we're up for a bit of Goldeneye, or Conker Bad Fur Day. >>> ...where FPS were born, and meant to be played with mouse-and-keyboard. >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > TF2 for free. Oh, and team fortress should be an olympic event. *I'd* > watch. Hell yeah, me too! > Heck, me? Too good at games? I doubt that.I've never played full > throttle or Luigi's mansion, but for a Zelda game, I thought WW was just > too short. I don't understand, it wasn't short at all, unless you compare it to the really, really long LttP with it's multitude of dungeons. But by and large I did not notice it was short. And you should play Full Throttle, it's one of the best adventure games for the PC there is (Tim Schafer made Grim Fandango a few years later, twice as long and arguably the best PC game in history, possibly surpassed only by Deus Ex, Half-Life, or TFC). > Well, Pilotwings isn't Zelda. Pilotwings is designed to be a > sit-back-and-relax type game (although most of the time it's as > frustrating as hell) Zelda is an action adventure game, and sailing is > neither action, nor adventure. But then, neither was the running around > hyrule in OoT. At least in LttP there were monster everywere, and guards > trying to arrest you. Constant monsters in OoT would have been annoying, frankly. That's one of the downsides to OoT, IMO. The combat system is trickier to master than the simple over-head 2D slash-and-evade action. The z-triggering makes it way easier but when facing multiple foes it's tricky, and to me Zelda was always about exploration and puzzle-solving, the enemies were just obstacles getting in the way. (except maybe, for some of the cooler bosses) > I think you're pretty much like me. You recognise the good Nintendo > titles, but are by no means affraid to say they've made mistakes, and > have screwed up on many occations. But, however, you believe that they > still make the best console games this side of Mars. Yes, that's true. But unlike you I think the Mario and Zelda franchises are continuing to get better. I think maybe Mario dissappointed people because it took place in Isle Delfino instead of Mushroom Kingdom, is that it? I'd like to see the next Mario be Mushroom Kingdom as well, though the Isle Delfino location was a nice "vacation" from the norm, I loved the hotel level and the treehouse village level especially. > The levels were loads better (imo of course), The DD levels were way too > small. Really? I felt some of the levels in DD were pretty huge, like that one in the giant wireframe ball. Some were tiny, like that amusement park baby course. And I liked the variety, from cruise ships to dinosaurs, as well as some classic Mario and Bowser-themed levels. Some of the levels had an almost Diddy Kong Racing feel (ah, there was a great game, in spite of a disappointing two-player mode). > Ok that lead to shorter games, but it also lead to unfair > outcomes too, as you could just "fire and hope", in the knowledge that > 75% of the time you'd hit someone. There was a lot more skill involved > in the larger (and much more 3D - if you know what I mean) levels. Also > the blue shell on MK64 was much better. I think both games have their faults, but given the choice I'd play DD over MK64. > Good point. I guess it would take a lot to take out Nintendo. They are > over 100 years old after all! Yeah, casual gamers and Sony/Microsoft fanboys don't really understand Nintendo, why it continues to exist even though it's no longer "cool" in their eyes. Because they satisfy millions of gamers who just happen to not be you or anybody you know, duh. They also don't realize how much money Nintendo has. As I said they could lose money for years before they'd have to start worrying. Ever see Citizen Kane? Kane says to his former legal guardian, "Yes, I lost a million dollars last year, I expect to lose a million dollars this year, and the next. You know at the rate of a million dollars a year I'll have to close this place in...sixty years." >> And it darn well better run on my PC and it better darn well come with >> TF2 for free. Oh, and team fortress should be an olympic event. >> *I'd* watch. > > Hell yeah, me too! Ah, I've had some truly heroic moments playing TFC. Signature"I am deeply troubled by my own increasing certainty that I have in fact presided over 60,000 deaths. There is no longer serious doubt in my mind that human life exists from the very onset of pregnancy" --Dr. Bernard Nathanson, "Deeper Into Abortion" New England Journal of Medicine Nov 1974 > I don't understand, it wasn't short at all, unless you compare it to the > really, really long LttP with it's multitude of dungeons. But by and > large I did not notice it was short. I thought it had too few dungeons, there were many side-quests, which pleased a lot of people (one of which is a close friend of mine), but personally I prefare long & hard dungeons, ala LttP (Tutle rock, er, rocks!) > And you should play Full Throttle, it's one of the best adventure games > for the PC there is (Tim Schafer made Grim Fandango a few years later, > twice as long and arguably the best PC game in history, possibly > surpassed only by Deus Ex, Half-Life, or TFC). I'll see if I can pick that up, and give it a whurl >> Well, Pilotwings isn't Zelda. Pilotwings is designed to be a >> sit-back-and-relax type game (although most of the time it's as [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > just obstacles getting in the way. (except maybe, for some of the > cooler bosses) I guess they did have to change quite a few things to make the 3D Zelda work. Perhaps this was one of them. >> I think you're pretty much like me. You recognise the good Nintendo >> titles, but are by no means affraid to say they've made mistakes, and [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > though the Isle Delfino location was a nice "vacation" from the norm, I > loved the hotel level and the treehouse village level especially. Don't get me wrong. I liked both Zelda (WW) & Mario (Sunshine). I guess perhaps I was expecting more from both of them, so I was let down. They're still both better than anything I've seen to date on the PS2 or X-Box. I still think LttP & Mario World are the best of those two franchises to date. Although the next Zelda is looking good, and the new Mario is supposed to be revolutionary (no pun intended) >> The levels were loads better (imo of course), The DD levels were way too >> small. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > levels had an almost Diddy Kong Racing feel (ah, there was a great game, > in spite of a disappointing two-player mode). Sorry, I don't think I made myself clear. The battle mode levels are small. The race tracks are huge! Additionally, DD is much better for playing with friends who are crap at driving. I drive, they fire weapons. But then I've always prefared to play Co-operatively with friends. >> Ok that lead to shorter games, but it also lead to unfair outcomes >> too, as you could just "fire and hope", in the knowledge that 75% of [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > I think both games have their faults, Yes, definately. > but given the choice I'd play DD > over MK64. I guess I would too, but purely because I can never be bothered to unplug the AV lead from my gcn, and plug it into the N64. >>> And it darn well better run on my PC and it better darn well come >>> with TF2 for free. Oh, and team fortress should be an olympic [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Ah, I've had some truly heroic moments playing TFC. Havn't we all :o) I'll always remember the time in a clan game we had to show the enemy team where the cap point was... > I thought it had too few dungeons, there were many side-quests, which > pleased a lot of people (one of which is a close friend of mine), but > personally I prefare long & hard dungeons, ala LttP (Tutle rock, er, > rocks!) Really? I liked the dungeons in LttP much more than the OoT and WW ones, not being able to see behind Link so well makes me nervous. It also took me a long time to get used to how low the camera is, I would have preferred Mario-style camera control. I LOVE side quests and those little mini-episodes, like the time-frozen underwater Hyrule castle. Creepy, and very well-done. >> And you should play Full Throttle, it's one of the best adventure >> games for the PC there is (Tim Schafer made Grim Fandango a few years >> later, twice as long and arguably the best PC game in history, >> possibly surpassed only by Deus Ex, Half-Life, or TFC). > > I'll see if I can pick that up, and give it a whurl Ya darn well better. And Grim Fandango is easily available at pretty much any bargain rack (the kind where you get just the jewel case). > Don't get me wrong. I liked both Zelda (WW) & Mario (Sunshine). I guess > perhaps I was expecting more from both of them, so I was let down. I think that may be the reason a lot of people were disappointed. I play the game and I see a mix of good old-fashioned Mario-style jumpin' fun as well as plenty of new things, and the bosses are pretty cool too (though not as good as Yoshi's Island, the coolest bosses in game history, doncha know). And I was able to enjoy it because I wasn't "expecting" anything apart from a fun Mario game. > They're still both better than anything I've seen to date on the PS2 or > X-Box. Mindless fanboy! > I still think LttP & Mario World are the best of those two > franchises to date. Although the next Zelda is looking good, and the new > Mario is supposed to be revolutionary (no pun intended) There are screenshots of the next Zelda out? They were always more secretive about Mario than Zelda. BTW, have you played Yoshi's Island (Super Mario World 2 for SNES, not the Yoshi's Story game for N64)? I'm kind of a fanatic about the game, as others on this board have noted, but I'm not the only one. Magazines like Next Generation and DieHard GameFan both called it possibly the best game ever made in their reviews. > Sorry, I don't think I made myself clear. The battle mode levels are > small. The race tracks are huge! Additionally, DD is much better for > playing with friends who are crap at driving. I drive, they fire > weapons. But then I've always prefared to play Co-operatively with friends. To me the drive-and-attack gameplay of Mario Kart is bigger than the actual tracks, like Team Fortress is a concept bigger than the actual Valve-approved maps. But if you're saying driving is a lot easier to learn than on the original Mario Kart, you're right. These kids today with their self-centering analog control sticks don't know how to tap turn! I'd like to see 'em tackle the hairpins curves of Chocco Island 1. Still though, Mario Kart is meant as a multi-player experience, the real fun derives from the trash-talking, the drama, am I right? You can get that with any Mario Kart, except the GBA one, IMO. > I guess I would too, but purely because I can never be bothered to > unplug the AV lead from my gcn, and plug it into the N64. I need to buy a receiver with multiple inputs so I can have them all hooked up. "Retrogaming" is so much fun, and many people just starting out will have never played Super Mario Bros. 3. > Havn't we all :o) > I'll always remember the time in a clan game we had to show the enemy > team where the cap point was... Once myself and two other engies swam over to the enemy cap room in well, and we set up a l3 sg. Darn map ended before we could get some kills, but they woulda been sweet. Oh, and detonating your disp when some curious enemy tries to squeeze past it. And is there any greater satisfaction in the whole game than walking past every bad guy on Dustbowl and surviving long enough to cap the flag with about five health points left? It's rare, but it rules. Signature"I am deeply troubled by my own increasing certainty that I have in fact presided over 60,000 deaths. There is no longer serious doubt in my mind that human life exists from the very onset of pregnancy" --Dr. Bernard Nathanson, "Deeper Into Abortion" New England Journal of Medicine Nov 1974 >> They're still both better than anything I've seen to date on the PS2 >> or X-Box. > > Mindless fanboy! I should admit, I've only seen about 10 or so PS2 and X-Box games... > There are screenshots of the next Zelda out? Did you not see the E3 movie? http://media.cube.ign.com/media/572/572738/vids_1.html Found some still too, if you prefare: http://www.zeldalegends.net/gallery/index.php?cat=82 > They were always more > secretive about Mario than Zelda. BTW, have you played Yoshi's Island > (Super Mario World 2 for SNES, not the Yoshi's Story game for N64)? I'm > kind of a fanatic about the game, as others on this board have noted, > but I'm not the only one. Magazines like Next Generation and DieHard > GameFan both called it possibly the best game ever made in their reviews. If it was also Mario Advance 2/3 (can't remember which), then yes. I prefare Mario World, but then that might be because I'm playing it on the GBA, not a TV screen. > To me the drive-and-attack gameplay of Mario Kart is bigger than the > actual tracks, like Team Fortress is a concept bigger than the actual [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > fun derives from the trash-talking, the drama, am I right? You can get > that with any Mario Kart, except the GBA one, IMO. Yeah, tis true. They're all fun multiplayers >> I guess I would too, but purely because I can never be bothered to >> unplug the AV lead from my gcn, and plug it into the N64. > > I need to buy a receiver with multiple inputs so I can have them all > hooked up. "Retrogaming" is so much fun, and many people just starting > out will have never played Super Mario Bros. 3. Poor souls... The hours I spent playing that through! > Once myself and two other engies swam over to the enemy cap room in > well, and we set up a l3 sg. Darn map ended before we could get some [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > past every bad guy on Dustbowl and surviving long enough to cap the flag > with about five health points left? It's rare, but it rules. Ahhhhh sweet, sweet memories.... Nice to know you're an engie, like me! I'm also partial to a bit of Pyro now & then. So what's your Steam ID? Mine is this email address (each section is reversed) > I should admit, I've only seen about 10 or so PS2 and X-Box games... Well I admit my experience is limited to only the more popular titles, but still in my experience X-Box and PS2 have pretty shallow games. I think GC, while having a smaller library, has a more diverse one. I'm happy with Nintendo and the PC. Luckily for me Sonic Team's games are all on GC, if Sega was still in the console business I'd need another system. :-) > Did you not see the E3 movie? > http://media.cube.ign.com/media/572/572738/vids_1.html > > Found some still too, if you prefare: > http://www.zeldalegends.net/gallery/index.php?cat=82 Nice....unfortunately a lot of these look like mock-ups, only a few shots look like their from actual levels. And no HUD. Still though, this looks awesome, I just hope Nintendo hasn't totally abandoned the cartoony looks of LttP and WW. Is that Hyrule Castle I see there? Will this game duplicate many of the OoT locales, the same way OoT duplicated many LttP weapons and items? I can't wait, I hope this comes out for GC. I like the way they're changing the in-dungeon camera system to the more LttP or Mario-like overhead view, something I always found to be a flaw in OoT and WW. > If it was also Mario Advance 2/3 (can't remember which), then yes. I > prefare Mario World, but then that might be because I'm playing it on > the GBA, not a TV screen. It's baby Mario riding on Yoshi's back. I can't imagine playing it on GBA, even on the GBA tv adaptor (which I use instead of a GBA). It had the best graphics the SNES ever had, and that was low-res enough already! >> I need to buy a receiver with multiple inputs so I can have them all >> hooked up. "Retrogaming" is so much fun, and many people just >> starting out will have never played Super Mario Bros. 3. > > Poor souls... The hours I spent playing that through! Really, I'd like to see companies either surrender the rights and code to their older games to let fan communities produce better-looking versions of them, or do what Nintendo did with Super Mario All-Stars. I can have DVDs of movies from the WW1 era, I can see all the best of Hollywood's golden age, and yet when you go to a game store you are 99% limited to games from the past two or three years. I think making older games open source is the best way, look at what fan communities did with KQ1. It's a shame that tomorrow's game designers will have never played The Secret of Monkey Island. > Ahhhhh sweet, sweet memories.... Nice to know you're an engie, like me! > I'm also partial to a bit of Pyro now & then. I'm pyro when everything else is taken. Second to engie I like HWGuy. I know a lot of crybabies think the HWGuy is for noobies, but he's a great flag-capper, and he is often instrumental in clearing enemy defenses or in providing defenses where SGs are hard to maintain, like well and epicenter. > So what's your Steam ID? Mine is this email address (each section is > reversed) Steam ID? I don't know what that means, but right now I play under the name Vimes. Well, I would, if my kitten hadn't chewed my speaker wires leaving me without sound. I'll get speakers soon enough. :-) I used to call myself Frodo but then the movie came out and there were about a dozen Frodos and Gandalfs and Aragorns and Legolases (Legoli?) on every server so I changed to Vimes, the name of my favorite Terry Pratchett character. Signature"I am deeply troubled by my own increasing certainty that I have in fact presided over 60,000 deaths. There is no longer serious doubt in my mind that human life exists from the very onset of pregnancy" --Dr. Bernard Nathanson, "Deeper Into Abortion" New England Journal of Medicine Nov 1974 > Is that Hyrule Castle I see there? Will this game duplicate many of the > OoT locales, the same way OoT duplicated many LttP weapons and items? I > can't wait, I hope this comes out for GC. I like the way they're > changing the in-dungeon camera system to the more LttP or Mario-like > overhead view, something I always found to be a flaw in OoT and WW. It is supposed to be a GCN game, but depending on it's release time, it could be a lauch Revolution game. I hope gcn. >> If it was also Mario Advance 2/3 (can't remember which), then yes. I >> prefare Mario World, but then that might be because I'm playing it on [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > GBA, even on the GBA tv adaptor (which I use instead of a GBA). It had > the best graphics the SNES ever had, and that was low-res enough already! Yeah that's the one I'm playing atm. Very good game. > Really, I'd like to see companies either surrender the rights and code > to their older games to let fan communities produce better-looking [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > KQ1. It's a shame that tomorrow's game designers will have never played > The Secret of Monkey Island. You can play all the Zelda's on the gcn in one way or another. But in a more general scope, they could release them as PC games, as you can still play DOS games on even the latest PCs (Transport Tycoon is one of my personal faves). I'm sure that would be a lot of work, but it would mean they live on forever. The only thing about making them open-source is that most of the content is copyrighted, and needs to reamin so. Therefore it would be illegal to actually release anything with Marios face in it (for example) > Steam ID? I don't know what that means, but right now I play under the > name Vimes. Well, I would, if my kitten hadn't chewed my speaker wires [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > server so I changed to Vimes, the name of my favorite Terry Pratchett > character. Heck, you've not heard of Steam? www.steampowered.com it's the only way you can play HL online now, as they've closed the WON authentication system down. It's basically a self-updating Half-Life, with a chat client built in (like MSN, or ICQ) which you can use in or out of game. >> Is that Hyrule Castle I see there? Will this game duplicate many of >> the OoT locales, the same way OoT duplicated many LttP weapons and [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > It is supposed to be a GCN game, but depending on it's release time, it > could be a lauch Revolution game. I hope gcn. Yes but they're also saying they want a Zelda game to be released within a year of Revolution. Maybe they're working on two Zeldas? Fine by me! Though I still say even a year from now will be too early for new consoles. > Yeah that's the one I'm playing atm. Very good game. Cool bosses, something Mario World lacked, for the most part. I haven't played the GBA version but I hope the SFX2 graphics are faithfully-rendered. > You can play all the Zelda's on the gcn in one way or another. Not LttP. :-( > The only thing about making them open-source is that most of the content > is copyrighted, and needs to reamin so. Therefore it would be illegal to > actually release anything with Marios face in it (for example) Well it wouldn't have to be the GNU license or anything, it can be conditional, and I'm not just talking about Mario or Zelda, I think Nintendo does a good job of re-marketing older games, better than other companies. They were mocked for bringing back all these NES games but for those of us who no longer have an NES or never had one it's important we play these games, they're part of gaming history and need to be played. However, a lot of older PC games are virtually gone forever, because they're near-impossible to find or don't run on modern hardware. Imagine one DVD disc with every LucasArts graphic adventure ever made. Or the original System Shock, a very hard to find item (for me anyway). A lot of older games are emulated illegally, it would be nice if they'd bring them back for console releases. Lately these retrogaming packs only come with about twenty games when they could easily fit hundreds. I just think preserving game history is important. > Heck, you've not heard of Steam? www.steampowered.com it's the only way > you can play HL online now, as they've closed the WON authentication > system down. Like I said I stopped playing months ago when my kitten chewed my speaker cord, I gotta have sound. I'll be getting new speakers (and hence, playing) soon. > It's basically a self-updating Half-Life, with a chat > client built in (like MSN, or ICQ) which you can use in or out of game. Well it looks like I'll have to try it, if I want to play TFC. Signature"I am deeply troubled by my own increasing certainty that I have in fact presided over 60,000 deaths. There is no longer serious doubt in my mind that human life exists from the very onset of pregnancy" --Dr. Bernard Nathanson, "Deeper Into Abortion" New England Journal of Medicine Nov 1974 > Though I still say even a year from now will be too early for new > consoles. I agree, the current generation still have a lot of life in them. It's not like graphics, and such have progressed in such a way that they have to be updated (eg snes->n64) >> You can play all the Zelda's on the gcn in one way or another. > > Not LttP. :-( GB Player? > a lot of older PC games are virtually gone forever, because > they're near-impossible to find or don't run on modern hardware. Imagine [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > come with about twenty games when they could easily fit hundreds. I > just think preserving game history is important. All of our history is important, and I totally agree that all games throughout history should be available to play on modern hardware. Be it PC (or mac!), or console. Going on holiday now for a week, nice talking to you GrandI. I'm sure when I get back, there'll be a new topic for us to discuss :) > I agree, the current generation still have a lot of life in them. It's > not like graphics, and such have progressed in such a way that they have > to be updated (eg snes->n64) I made this argument here a month or two ago and was ridiculed for it. I just don't think new systems are ever needed until the power has sufficiently advanced that new types of games can be invented, like how SNES enabled much larger worlds and more complex types of games over the NES, and how the 3D systems brought us a new dimension. So far our current crop of systems have come up with mostly aesthetic advancements. At first I thought it was great that you could see entire levels all at once, but then I remembered you could also see the entire Hyrule Field in OoT or entire SM64 levels at once too, albeit with pop-up. To my mind one of the few games to take advantage of the current machines in ways that N64 or PSX couldn't would be Monkey Ball, which has many curved, intricate tracks and levels which would be hard to reproduce with low polygon counts. I just think developers honestly have more power than they know what to do with, they're giving us games that could have easily ran on previous systems, with perhaps a shorter draw distance. >> Not LttP. :-( > > GB Player? Oh yeah, forgot they released that for GBA. I prefer the original, GBA can do prettier graphics but it has a lower resolution than even the SNES. > All of our history is important, and I totally agree that all games > throughout history should be available to play on modern hardware. Be it > PC (or mac!), or console. Mac? Boy we really are talking about history, d'oh! > Going on holiday now for a week, nice talking to you GrandI. I'm sure > when I get back, there'll be a new topic for us to discuss :) Yeah some new troll who hates rescuing princesses, thinks mowing down hookers and stealing cars is way more mature. Nice speaking with you. Signature"I am deeply troubled by my own increasing certainty that I have in fact presided over 60,000 deaths. There is no longer serious doubt in my mind that human life exists from the very onset of pregnancy" --Dr. Bernard Nathanson, "Deeper Into Abortion" New England Journal of Medicine Nov 1974 > > I agree, the current generation still have a lot of life in them. It's > > not like graphics, and such have progressed in such a way that they have [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > I just don't think new systems are ever needed until the power has > sufficiently advanced that new types of games can be invented, I happen to agree with this, unfortunately most marketing departments won't. > Either that or Game Pro had a letter from some guy about how Nintendo is > blowing it and the GC isn't that good,etc.. basically what ive been saying [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > didn't put a period,etc.. in the right place. That's all you faggots can > bring up when you know you've been beat. Um, you're trolling a NG that hardly has any activity. Brilliant. > Either that or Game Pro had a letter from some guy about how Nintendo is > blowing it and the GC isn't that good,etc.. basically what ive been saying > for the last year yet I get flamed for it but the response to the guys > letter was "We hear ya, pal" I usually don't feed the trolls, but I just have to ask: Why, exactly, is the GC no good? I enjoy my GC for many reasons: 1) It allows me to play video games. 2) The video games I can play on it are fun. 3) There are a lot of games to play. So, why is it "no good"? Is it just no good because it's not an XBox? Or no good because it's not a PS2? For that reason, all Ferraris suck because they are not Porsches. Please, respond with some logic, because I am curious as to why you feel the need to simply bash a video game system. It's a device to play video games, and it does that very well. So I'm confused as to your premise. If you happen to *like* the XBox or another platform better, well then that's your opinion, and that's just fine. But there's no reason why the GC must then logically not be good. >> Either that or Game Pro had a letter from some guy about how >> Nintendo is blowing it and the GC isn't that good,etc.. basically [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > So, why is it "no good"? Is it just no good because it's not an XBox? > Or no good because it's not a PS2? I have to agree with you - I enjoy playing games on my Cube and will often buy a game for Cube over Xbox though I have both...due to the first party wireless controller and the ability to use Action Replay is a plus though I rarely use it. > If you happen to *like* the XBox or another platform better, well then > that's your opinion, and that's just fine. But there's no reason why > the GC must then logically not be good. Very good point. Fortunately I have been lucky enough to aquire all 3 so its all about the games for me. LOL! Good one. I play PC games and Cube games. I only got the cube because there was nothing like it in the PC arena (Mario, Zelda, metroid, Phantasy Star). Everything else is pretty much available for the PC in some way shape or form, and CHEAPER and BETTER. What? did I get the cube for doom3?!?! LOL! And I wouldn't get an XBox for Doom3. It will look like azz compared to my PC. I still play the cube (more than my PC now). There's something about Zelda.... Is there a Princess in Twin Snakes? I can't wait to meet her!!! > Either that or Game Pro had a letter from some guy about how Nintendo is > blowing it and the GC isn't that good,etc.. basically what ive been saying [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > didn't put a period,etc.. in the right place. That's all you faggots can > bring up when you know you've been beat. <snip> The letter you speak of is not in this month's EGM. Off the subject, is anyone else getting annoyed at how shitty EGM has turned into? -- -Daniel "Mr. Brevity" Kolle; 16 A.A. #2035 Koji Kondo, Yo-Yo Ma, Gustav Mahler, Krzysztof Penderecki, and Geirr Tveitt are my Gods. Head of EAC Denial Department and Madly Insane Scientist. > The letter you speak of is not in this month's EGM. Off the subject, > is anyone else getting annoyed at how shitty EGM has turned into? No sh.t. If you could read it clearly said EGM or Game Pro. The point was that the letter existed. I wasn't sure which mag had it but I knew some loser geek like you would be sure to correct a worthless point such as that. That seems to be the only thing a lot of people on NG's are good at. A lot of you also spend most of your time correcting spelling and grammar. I'm sure there's a 100k a year job waiting for you net graders. The bottom line is that GC is dying. Their next "new" console won't change that fact. > The bottom line is that GC is dying. Their next "new" console won't change > that fact. Where is your proof of that statement? You don't think GC is cool so you say it's dying? Gamecube makes money for Nintendo. X-Box does not make money for Microsoft, it exists only to provide a foothold in the console market. Signature"I am deeply troubled by my own increasing certainty that I have in fact presided over 60,000 deaths. There is no longer serious doubt in my mind that human life exists from the very onset of pregnancy" --Dr. Bernard Nathanson, "Deeper Into Abortion" New England Journal of Medicine Nov 1974 > > The bottom line is that GC is dying. Their next "new" console won't change > > that fact. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > make money for Microsoft, it exists only to provide a foothold in the > console market. Look at the furture realse lists and all the comanies dropping support. That is probably what he was trying to get at. That said he could try not being such an a.shole also. > Look at the furture realse lists and all the comanies dropping > support. Eh, they're making a business decision, they see many third-party games not selling well and so they err on the side of caution, in spite of those third-party games that have done quite well on GC. Microsoft and Sony live on their third parties. Nintendo does not actually need third-parties to keep making a profit. They are nice, and perhaps one day Nintendo could be back on top again with their help, but Nintendo is such a strong developer that they are not needed. Signature"I am deeply troubled by my own increasing certainty that I have in fact presided over 60,000 deaths. There is no longer serious doubt in my mind that human life exists from the very onset of pregnancy" --Dr. Bernard Nathanson, "Deeper Into Abortion" New England Journal of Medicine Nov 1974 > > Look at the furture realse lists and all the comanies dropping > > support. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > day Nintendo could be back on top again with their help, but Nintendo is > such a strong developer that they are not needed. People like you are the only reason Nintendo is still in the buss. They should give you your GC games for free. >>Eh, they're making a business decision, they see many third-party games >>not selling well and so they err on the side of caution, in spite of [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > People like you are the only reason Nintendo is still in the buss. > They should give you your GC games for free. The typical response to one of my defenses of Nintendo is the charge of fanboyism, is that what's going on here? Plenty of people are loyal to Nintendo without even knowing who Miyamoto is. I cannot say this too many times, Nintendo makes a profit off of the Gamecube, there is *no* reason for them to worry, especially since their profit mostly lies in first and second-party games. For Nintendo the market is different than it is for Sony and Microsoft who *need* their third parties. The whole gaming market is different than it was in the 80s. Honestly now, can you dispute what I've said or just hint that I'm a mindless fanboy? Signature"I am deeply troubled by my own increasing certainty that I have in fact presided over 60,000 deaths. There is no longer serious doubt in my mind that human life exists from the very onset of pregnancy" --Dr. Bernard Nathanson, "Deeper Into Abortion" New England Journal of Medicine Nov 1974 > >>Eh, they're making a business decision, they see many third-party games > >>not selling well and so they err on the side of caution, in spite of [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > gaming market is different than it was in the 80s. Honestly now, can > you dispute what I've said or just hint that I'm a mindless fanboy? I never said you were mindless :-) >>The typical response to one of my defenses of Nintendo is the charge of >>fanboyism, is that what's going on here? Plenty of people are loyal to [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > I never said you were mindless :-) Hey! Signature"I am deeply troubled by my own increasing certainty that I have in fact presided over 60,000 deaths. There is no longer serious doubt in my mind that human life exists from the very onset of pregnancy" --Dr. Bernard Nathanson, "Deeper Into Abortion" New England Journal of Medicine Nov 1974 > >>The typical response to one of my defenses of Nintendo is the charge of > >>fanboyism, is that what's going on here? Plenty of people are loyal to [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Hey! Hey You! Hey, I think it's great that you are so into Nintendo. Nintendo is the company that turned me from a casual gamer into a die hard mainstream I am losing my mind waiting for their next big release type gamer back in the late 80's (well mid to late 80's). My wife absolutely hates video games but she did play and complete all of the Zelda's on the NES and SNES. She also enjoyed Mario, Metroid, Kid Icarus and F-Zero. I have just grown and I no longer enjoy the same types of games I use to. Nintendo, for the most part, has not grown with their original fan base. They seem to be stuck in a time warp and are afraid (not sure if that is proper terminology for what I am trying to get across here) to move on to different horizons. For the most part their gameplay is still unmatched but I am so freaking tired of Mario and Zelda! They need to tap into a new venue and quitr living on their past success. Sony is the market leader now with MS closing in faster then Nintendo. I would've never thought that to be possible. If it wasn't for Nintendo's arrogance Sony would've never launched a system on their own. I don't see myself purchasing the next Nintendo offering out of the gate. That will be a first for me with any gaming system since the 1st Nintendo! > I have just grown and I no longer enjoy the same types of games I use to. > Nintendo, for the most part, has not grown with their original fan base. > They seem to be stuck in a time warp and are afraid (not sure if that is > proper terminology for what I am trying to get across here) to move on to > different horizons. Well I'm not sure what that means. They continue to work in the same kinds of genres, but they also expand what those genres mean. The action RPG is defined by the latest Zelda game, same for platform games with Mario. Lately they've branched into real-time action/strategy with Pikmin and fighting with Smash Bros., not to mention all those party games (that I don't care for, frankly). If you mean you prefer the more "R-rated" genres, well there's no reason you can't enjoy Deus Ex and Mario Kart at the same time, I do. > For the most part their gameplay is still unmatched but I am so freaking > tired of Mario and Zelda! But each game brings new gameplay modes and enemies and level design and stuff! Do you mean you're sick of platform gaming? I guess, in some way, I can understand that. I like Advance Wars and Civ3 is pretty fun but I'm not big on turn-based strategy. Oh, have you played Pikmin? It was so different from anything I'd heard of when I first got it I didn't care for it much, but lately it's grown on me, it's Miyamoto's latest franchise. > They need to tap into a new venue and quitr living on their past success. > Sony is the market leader now with MS closing in faster then Nintendo. I > would've never thought that to be possible. If it wasn't for Nintendo's > arrogance Sony would've never launched a system on their own. I don't see > myself purchasing the next Nintendo offering out of the gate. That will be a > first for me with any gaming system since the 1st Nintendo! Well, if ya don't like Mario and Zelda anymore, I can't help ya. In the words of Next Generation magazine, "If you don't love this, you don't love videogames." :-P Signature"I am deeply troubled by my own increasing certainty that I have in fact presided over 60,000 deaths. There is no longer serious doubt in my mind that human life exists from the very onset of pregnancy" --Dr. Bernard Nathanson, "Deeper Into Abortion" New England Journal of Medicine Nov 1974 > > The letter you speak of is not in this month's EGM. Off the subject, > > is anyone else getting annoyed at how shitty EGM has turned into? [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > The bottom line is that GC is dying. Their next "new" console won't change > that fact. The *fact* is there are plenty of games in developement for the Cube. You're just a troll....a troll with bad spelling and grammar. >No sh.t. If you could read it clearly said EGM or Game Pro. A little touchy, are we? -- -Daniel "Mr. Brevity" Kolle; 16 A.A. #2035 Koji Kondo, Yo-Yo Ma, Gustav Mahler, Krzysztof Penderecki, and Geirr Tveitt are my Gods. Head of EAC Denial Department and Madly Insane Scientist. |
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