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Game Forum / Nintendo / GameCube / February 2004God is banned at our peril
Everywhere we turn God seems to be under attack, to be banished from our life as a threat to our citizens and their civil liberties. Aint that a funny notion, the idea that God needs to be banned to satisfy some claim that His existence violates another's rights. Aren't God - and the Judeo-Christian moral compass that we are born with, derived from Him - the basis of all our civil liberties? Didn't the founding fathers give acknowledgement to our Creator for the blessings of liberty? And now todays newest trendy fad is the GayCLU who wants our children to reject our founding fathers. God is being banned. He is being banned in public and private life, in big and small matters. Parents, Christians and conservatives alike, we must make clear that this attack on our God is an extremely dangerous threat to our government, our way of life, even our entire financial system (the Ten Commandments' order to "do not covet" is the basis of property rights and our capitalist system). In fact, I believe that the Judeo-Christian ethic has formed the bedrock of America's greatness. If we ban God, then who - or what - will replace Him? If we start turning our backs on God, what will happen when He turns his back on us? UNITE Christian.c > Everywhere we turn God seems to be under attack, to be banished from our > life as a threat to our citizens and their civil liberties. Aint that a [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > Christian.c You're not even trying! C'mon! At least use a different newsreader, or something... Add a different group or two, just so we can't be certain... > > Everywhere we turn God seems to be under attack, to be banished from our > > life as a threat to our citizens and their civil liberties. Aint that a [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > C'mon! At least use a different newsreader, or something... Add a > different group or two, just so we can't be certain... it was the giganews that tipped me off. he's ~always~ used some anonymous one or other. but that DMCA header is pretty obvious.  SignatureGene Poole Signature sold separately > Everywhere we turn God seems to be under attack, to be banished from our > life as a threat to our citizens and their civil liberties. Ask the Caananites. > > Everywhere we turn God seems to be under attack, to be banished from our > > life as a threat to our citizens and their civil liberties. > > Ask the Caananites. Their extermination was commanded by God and so was both good and right. > > > Everywhere we turn God seems to be under attack, to be banished from our > > > life as a threat to our citizens and their civil liberties. > > > > Ask the Caananites. > > Their extermination was commanded by God and so was both good and right. Your God murders people. So, you wonder why God seems to be under attack? When can we expect your loon of a God to turn and order his loon followers to rise up and exterminate us? After all, it's no small coincidence that the wants and desires of the loon followers mirrors exactly the wants and desires of the loon God they worship. And you wonder why your God is under attack? > > > > Everywhere we turn God seems to be under attack, to be banished from > our [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Your God murders people. I thought atheists though that "murder" as "unlawful killing" and go on to argue that crimes such as abortion are not murder. How can the command of the final and ultimate lawgiver be "murder"? Or do you want to draw the definition more widely as Christian believers have recomended for some time? > So, you wonder why God seems to be under > attack? When can we expect your loon of a God to turn and order his loon > followers to rise up and exterminate us? Who can know the mind of God in detail? Who would second guess Him? When He makes His will known there will be no mistaking it whatever it may be. > After all, it's no small > coincidence that the wants and desires of the loon followers mirrors exactly > the wants and desires of the loon God they worship. > > And you wonder why your God is under attack? I'm sure God is very worried and Christian believers have known from Biblical prophecy that such things must come to pass at the end of the world that we might enter into the world to come. -- Rev 20:12. And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. The dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books. > > > > > Everywhere we turn God seems to be under attack, to be banished from > > our [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > must come to pass at the end of the world that we might enter into the world > to come. You're one of th loon followers the rest of us worry about. > > Who can know the mind of God in detail? Who would second guess Him? When > He [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > You're one of th loon followers the rest of us worry about. See above. UNITE Christian.c > > > > > Everywhere we turn God seems to be under attack, to be banished from > our [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > > > > > Their extermination was commanded by God and so was both good and right. > > Your God murders people. > > I thought atheists though that "murder" as > "unlawful killing" and go on to > argue that crimes such as abortion > are not murder. Your definition falls short in my opinion, so yes, it does need re working. The thing that makes us human is our brain, and since the brain of a fetus is not yet complete it is not yet fully human. Besides that the fetus depends on a human being that has its on rights for its life > How can the command of the final > and ultimate lawgiver be "murder"? I suppose if God decided to burn up the Earth tomorrow you would still praise the foul beast. God told Moses that he would harden pharaohs heart so that he could bring the plaques upon Egypt. He murdered all of their first born sons, and as I said, never even gave them a real choice. Worship this evil monster if you will, I sure won't. Larry > > > > > > Everywhere we turn God seems to be under attack, to be banished from > > our [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > yet fully human. Besides that the fetus depends on > a human being that has its on rights for its life So, you're the one that decided what makes us human, and what constitutes murder? > > How can the command of the final > > and ultimate lawgiver be "murder"? [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Larry The bible is full of mistranslations caused by corrupt or ignorant scribes. Go back to the real hebrew text and it says that Pharoah harden his own heart. How easily people are swayed by the deciever... > > "Martin Kings" <martin_kings@fake.address> wrote in message > news:<NtGdncdsKsexaqjdRVn-gw@giganews.com>... [quoted text clipped - 43 lines] > Go back to the real hebrew text and it says that Pharoah harden his own > heart. How easily people are swayed by the deciever... just tell my why modern day man should be swayed by scribblings of 2,000 or more years ago > > "Lawrence Seib" <lseib@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> wrote in message > > > > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > So, you're the one that decided what makes us human, and what constitutes > > murder? No, that would the Supreme Court of the United States of America, as well as other thinkers who do not depend on relgious dogma. > > > > How can the command of the final > > > > and ultimate lawgiver be "murder"? [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Go back to the real hebrew text and it says that Pharoah harden his own > > heart. How easily people are swayed by the deciever... Maybe the translation was wrong, but If it was not, would God still be good, Since he is the final and ultimate law giver, according to the poster I responded to? It seems that you are Judgeing God. Larry > > > > > > Everywhere we turn God seems to be under attack, to be banished from > > our [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > > Larry Well Larry he is worshipping early mythology, a .......'nothing' how crassly stupid. bob Hong Kong And so upon Fri, 20 Feb 2004 12:01:47 +0000 didst Martin Kings speak thusly: >> > > > Everywhere we turn God seems to be under attack, to be banished from >> our [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > draw the definition more widely as Christian believers have recomended for > some time? Talk about hypocrisy. You folk squabble over a spoonful cells but can't see that exterminating whole populations of people is wrong? You are so *evil. SignatureMark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423 EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion "There is no system but GNU, and Linux is one of its kernels." >> > > > Everywhere we turn God seems to be under attack, to be banished >> > > > from [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > He makes His > will known there will be no mistaking it whatever it may be. Considering that there are about a thousand variants of Judaism/Xtianity, it is obvious that God has *never* "made His will known." Just a lot of loudmouthed busybodies telling everyone what His will is, with nothing but enthusiasm to back it up. >> After all, it's no small >> coincidence that the wants and desires of the loon followers mirrors [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > must come to pass at the end of the world that we might enter into the > world to come. Anyone who believes in God *and* in "biblical prophecy" is doubly brain-damaged. Let's start with Jesus himself. When he told his disciples that some of them would still be alive at his second coming, that OBVIOUSLY means that some of them are going to live for over 2,000 years. Right. SignatureMarkA (still caught in the maze of twisty little passages, all different) > > > > Everywhere we turn God seems to be under attack, to be banished from > our [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > attack? When can we expect your loon of a God to turn and order his loon > followers to rise up and exterminate us? That's because we continue to live in violent times. The Bible tells us war and killing will be a reality until Christ returns. And when the time is right, Jesus will indeed come again, ending all wars. For instance, God calls the Israelites to go to war against the Midianites and Philistines. Why? Because these nations were trying to conquer Israel, and God's people were called to defend themselves. > After all, it's no small > coincidence that the wants and desires of the loon followers mirrors exactly > the wants and desires of the loon God they worship. > > And you wonder why your God is under attack? Our God-authored freedoms are to be defended at any cost. CHRISTIANS UNITE Christian.c > > > > > Everywhere we turn God seems to be under attack, to be banished from > > our [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > > CHRISTIANS UNITE Your religion has never really known or advocated freedoms in it's entire 2,000 year history. And so upon Fri, 20 Feb 2004 07:09:33 -0500 didst a.a speak thusly: >> > > > Everywhere we turn God seems to be under attack, to be banished from >> our [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > and Philistines. Why? Because these nations were trying to conquer Israel, > and God's people were called to defend themselves. Bullshit. It was a genocide. Period. Genocide is never "self defense." It was *wrong. Morally *wrong. That you can't see that speaks to your utter lack of moral conscience. >> After all, it's no small >> coincidence that the wants and desires of the loon followers mirrors [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Our God-authored freedoms are to be defended at any cost. Except they weren't authored by any invisible beings. Actual people were involved. SignatureMark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423 EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion "There is no system but GNU, and Linux is one of its kernels." > > > > > Everywhere we turn God seems to be under attack, to be banished from > > our [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > attack? When can we expect your loon of a God to turn and order his loon > > followers to rise up and exterminate us? BWFI [brain washed fukin idiot] > That's because we continue to live in violent times. The Bible tells us war > and killing will be a reality until Christ returns. And when the time is > right, Jesus will indeed come again, ending all wars. BWFI > For instance, God calls the Israelites to go to war against the Midianites > and Philistines. Why? Because these nations were trying to conquer Israel, > and God's people were called to defend themselves. BWFI > > After all, it's no small > > coincidence that the wants and desires of the loon followers mirrors [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > CHRISTIANS UNITE All religions are akin to clubs with imaginary gods to weld the whole thing together. Enjoy your ancient club, but don't claim to be intelligent. Bob Hong Kong "The most ridiculous concept ever perpetrated by Homo Sapiens is that the Lord God of Creation, Shaper and Ruler of the Universes, wants the saccharine adoration of his creations, that he can be persuaded by their prayers, and becomes petulant if he does not receive this flattery. Yet this ridiculous notion, without one real shred of evidence to bolster it, has gone on to found one of the oldest, largest and least productive industries in history." [Robert Heinlein] > Christian.c > > > > Everywhere we turn God seems to be under attack, to be banished from > our [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > And you wonder why your God is under attack? All gods are under attack because it is now 2004, not 0004 - people, at long last, are throwing off the shackles of primitive mythology and superstion. Why doesn't he join the 'loonie cult' it might make more sense!! bob Hong Kong (snip) > And you wonder why your God is under attack? God is under attack by lots of evil, nasty, degenerate people. Since when did that become an argument against God? The wicked always attack the good. > (snip) > > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > when did that become an argument against God? The wicked always attack > the good. So why are you so wicked? History clearly shows that your fellow christonuts have been doing most of the attacking. > (snip) > > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > when did that become an argument against God? The wicked always attack > the good. Correction: 'The sensible attacking pathetic followers of a primitive superstition'. > > > Everywhere we turn God seems to be under attack, to be banished from our > > > life as a threat to our citizens and their civil liberties. > > > > Ask the Caananites. > > Their extermination was commanded by God and so was both good and right. Oh please. > > > > Everywhere we turn God seems to be under attack, to be banished from > our [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Oh please. Yes. One should beg God that His righteous Judgement is made manifest in this world. -- Rev 20:12. And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. The dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books. > > > > > Everywhere we turn God seems to be under attack, to be banished from > > our [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Yes. One should beg God that His righteous Judgement is made manifest in > this world. hellooooooo, sock puppet! :) SignatureGene Poole Signature sold separately And so upon Fri, 20 Feb 2004 12:14:24 +0000 didst Martin Kings speak thusly: >> > > > Everywhere we turn God seems to be under attack, to be banished from >> our [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Yes. One should beg God that His righteous Judgement is made manifest in > this world. What "righteous judgement?" Any being that has whole peoples exterminated is evil. SignatureMark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423 EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion "There is no system but GNU, and Linux is one of its kernels." >What "righteous judgement?" Any being that has whole peoples exterminated >is evil. God is as evil as the law he/she makes and a divine hypocrite. BTW, if god IS a he, he must have a monster John Thomas. And a serious set of doodads. >> Oh please. > >Yes. One should beg God that His righteous Judgement is made manifest in >this world. Oh please. Get a grip on reality. The dark ages are over. By creating evil, makes god as bad as anyone else. Your morbid fear of death is the only reason you believe what you do. And so upon Fri, 20 Feb 2004 11:28:39 +0000 didst Martin Kings speak thusly: >> > Everywhere we turn God seems to be under attack, to be banished from our >> > life as a threat to our citizens and their civil liberties. >> >> Ask the Caananites. > > Their extermination was commanded by God and so was both good and right. And there we have it folks. Justification of *genocide. Such peaceful types they are... SignatureMark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423 EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion "There is no system but GNU, and Linux is one of its kernels." >> > Everywhere we turn God seems to be under attack, to be banished from our >> > life as a threat to our citizens and their civil liberties. >> >> Ask the Caananites. > >Their extermination was commanded by God and so was both good and right. Just what we need. Another religious fanatic who thinks it's okay to kill in the name of God. ----- Yang a.a. #28 AthD (h.c.) conferred by the regents of the LCL a.a. pastor #-273.15, the most frigid church of Celcius nee Kelvin EAC Econometric Forecast and Socerey Division Proudly plonked by Lani Girl and Crazyalec The Bush 'balanced' budget: 1.2 trillion and worsening The Bush 'economic' policy: -3 million jobs and counting The Bush Iraq lie: -546 GIs, one friend's co-worker's son and mounting Having Bush f.ck up my country: Worthless > >> > Everywhere we turn God seems to be under attack, to be banished from our > >> > life as a threat to our citizens and their civil liberties. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Just what we need. Another religious fanatic who thinks it's okay to > kill in the name of God.... .....They will all go to the depths of murder.... Muslims, Christians, Hindus, JW's, Jainists, Parsees, Moonies, Shintoists, Taoists...etc........ if they feel their old creaking superstions are threatened Bob Hong Kong "Religion is excellent stuff for keeping common people quiet." [Napoleon Bonaparte] > ----- > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Having Bush f.ck up my country: Worthless > > > Everywhere we turn God seems to be under attack, to be banished from our > > > life as a threat to our citizens and their civil liberties. > > > > Ask the Caananites. > > Their extermination was commanded by God and so was both good and right. I think Dogma said it best: "There hasn't BEEN an angel of death since you quit. Doesn't that say anything to you?" > Everywhere we turn God seems to be under attack, to be banished from our > life as a threat to our citizens and their civil liberties. Aint that a > funny notion, the idea that God needs to be banned to satisfy some claim > that His existence violates another's rights. Your god is dead and nobody cares. RS > > Everywhere we turn God seems to be under attack, to be banished from our > > life as a threat to our citizens and their civil liberties. Aint that a > > funny notion, the idea that God needs to be banned to satisfy some claim > > that His existence violates another's rights. > > Your god is dead and nobody cares. But our nation has turned its collective back on the Word of God. It is no wonder then that we find ourselves, as a nation, clashing over social issues that were once non-issues when the Bible was revered as ultimate truth by our churches, our schools and even by our government. Nor is it any wonder that we are losing the battle on homosexual marriage and other critical cultural issues today. There's an increase in secular thinking. . because we have lost biblical authority. CHRISTIANS UNITE Christian.c > > > Everywhere we turn God seems to be under attack, to be banished from our > > > life as a threat to our citizens and their civil liberties. Aint that a [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > social issues that were once non-issues when the Bible was revered as > ultimate truth by our churches, our schools and even by our government. Oh please, god causes more issues and grief than atheism. Go get an education. > > > > Everywhere we turn God seems to be under attack, to be banished from > our [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > Oh please, god causes more issues and grief than atheism. Go get > an education. I'm glad to see that you acknowledge to existence of God. Perhaps He will through "issues and grief" lead you to obedience to Him -- Rev 20:12. And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. The dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books. >> Oh please, god causes more issues and grief than atheism. Go get >> an education. > >I'm glad to see that you acknowledge to existence of God. Perhaps He will >through "issues and grief" lead you to obedience to Him Let me rephrase. God isn't dead, he has never existed, and what hasn't lived cannot die. He just does not exist, and has never existed. "The notion of a god causes more issues and grief than atheism. " Signature==I am an atheist== > >> Oh please, god causes more issues and grief than atheism. Go get > >> an education. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > "The notion of a god causes more issues and grief than atheism. " You say than now but what will you say on the day of Judgement? -- Rev 20:12. And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. The dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books. >> "The notion of a god causes more issues and grief than atheism. " > >You say than now but what will you say on the day of Judgement? I don't believe in that either, sorry. Signature==I am an atheist== > >> "The notion of a god causes more issues and grief than atheism. " > > > >You say than now but what will you say on the day of Judgement? > > I don't believe in that either, sorry. But what will you say to Satan after God throws you into the firey pit! Oh... I guess if you don't believe in God, you don't believe in Satan, or the firey pit either... nevermind... :c) >> >You say than now but what will you say on the day of Judgement? >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >Oh... I guess if you don't believe in God, you don't believe in Satan, or >the firey pit either... nevermind... :c) See, it takes an atheist to see the logical absurdity in that statement. If only the fundies would realise the same thing... Signature==I am an atheist== > >> >You say than now but what will you say on the day of Judgement? > >> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > See, it takes an atheist to see the logical absurdity in that > statement. If only the fundies would realise the same thing... They're not smart enough. >But what will you say to Satan after God throws you into the firey pit! Get out, there's only room for one of us. > > >> "The notion of a god causes more issues and grief than atheism. " > > > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Oh... I guess if you don't believe in God, you don't believe in Satan, or > the firey pit either... nevermind... :c) yea, my grandpappa used to say satan was 'down thar below the ground' and the heaven was 'up thar just above the clouds' Airlines fly just above the clouds these days! Grow UP And so upon Fri, 20 Feb 2004 12:29:05 +0000 didst Martin Kings speak thusly: >> >> Oh please, god causes more issues and grief than atheism. Go get >> >> an education. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > You say than now but what will you say on the day of Judgement? You mean when Skynet launches the missiles? SignatureMark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423 EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion "There is no system but GNU, and Linux is one of its kernels." >You say than now but what will you say on the day of Judgement? I suppose you think the earth is 5000 years old and the light from quasars traveled billions of light years in just 5000 years. Are you the bastard that had Galileo put in prison? Cause, he was right numbnuts. Go get an education. Then you can talk. > >> Oh please, god causes more issues and grief than atheism. Go get > >> an education. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > -- > ==I am an atheist== ....and so are all rational thinking people Bob Hong Kong "The atheist does not say "there is no God," he says "I know not what you mean by God; I am without idea of God; the word 'God' is to me a sound conveying no clear or distinct affirmation. ... The Bible God I deny; the Christian God I disbelieve in; but I am not rash enough to say there is no God as long as you tell me you are unprepared to define God to me."" [Charles Bradlaugh] >I'm glad to see that you acknowledge to existence of God. Perhaps He will >through "issues and grief" lead you to obedience to Him I acknowledge the existance of the word god and the way naive, ignorant people like you bastardize it. > > > > > Everywhere we turn God seems to be under attack, to be banished from > > our [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > I'm glad to see that you acknowledge to existence of God. Perhaps He will > through "issues and grief" lead you to obedience to Him.... ...clutching at straws again.....? > -- > Rev 20:12. > And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books > were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. The dead > were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books. > > > > Everywhere we turn God seems to be under attack, to be banished from > our [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > Oh please, god causes more issues and grief than atheism. Go get > an education. I am educated. And aparantly you are an anti-religious grinch. Food for thought. God's primary *attributes* is peace. Isaiah said the Messiah would bear these names: Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace (Isaiah 9:6). God longs for all people to live in peace. That is how He created our universe: in total peace and harmony. Christians are to be people of peace. CHRISTIANS UNITE Christian.c >Christians are to be people of peace. Do you want to explain the crusades and the spanish inquisition? Signature==I am an atheist== > >Christians are to be people of peace. > > Do you want to explain the crusades and the spanish inquisition? The Christians actually are quite lucky that they have Athiests, Muslims, homosexuals, and other groups they can band together and hate. History clearly shows that when Christians no longer have anyone else they can hate, they turn on each other like a pack of rabid wolves. That is, when they aren't trying to convert or kill a native or aboringinal people some where. And so upon Fri, 20 Feb 2004 12:35:56 +0000 didst W.Syme speak thusly: >>Christians are to be people of peace. > > Do you want to explain the crusades and the spanish inquisition? Well, people get real peaceful after you kill them... SignatureMark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423 EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion "There is no system but GNU, and Linux is one of its kernels." >> > > > Everywhere we turn God seems to be under attack, to be banished from >> our [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] >Father, Prince of Peace (Isaiah 9:6). God longs for all people to live in >peace. That is how He created our universe: in total peace and harmony. You must not know much about the universe... > >> > > > Everywhere we turn God seems to be under attack, to be banished from > >> our [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > You must not know much about the universe... True. Between the exploding stars, colliding galaxies, and just general cosmic mahem, the universe doesn't seem to be at peace, or in much harmony. I remember back in the 50's and 60's coming up through school science used to describe the universe as a huge clockwork, all parts working in unison. Now they're finding that it's more like a continuous car wreck that we've, thus far, been lucky to be left out of. >> >Food for thought. God's primary *attributes* is peace. Isaiah said the >> >Messiah would bear these names: Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >Now they're finding that it's more like a continuous car wreck that we've, >thus far, been lucky to be left out of. Or a prepetual maglev train collision... > >> >Food for thought. God's primary *attributes* is peace. Isaiah said the > >> >Messiah would bear these names: Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Or a prepetual maglev train collision... True.. :c) And so upon Fri, 20 Feb 2004 07:12:34 -0500 didst a.a speak thusly: > Christians are to be people of peace. That explains all those dead natives in the Americas... SignatureMark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423 EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion "There is no system but GNU, and Linux is one of its kernels." > > > > > Everywhere we turn God seems to be under attack, to be banished from > our [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > I am educated. And aparantly you are an anti-religious grinch. You invade AA with your bullshit and you have the nerve to call another a "grinch"? You sir are a fuckwit. If Christians are so damn peaceful then you are obviously not a Christian. Otherwise you would not have started this flame war. jwk > > > > > Everywhere we turn God seems to be under attack, to be banished from > > our [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > Christians are to be people of peace.... His book [man's book really] is full of death and destuction - you must be blind or just plain stupid! "I will strew your flesh upon the mountains, and fill the valleys with your carcass. I will drench the land even to the mountains with your flowing blood..." [Ezekiel 32:5] "Pass through the city after him, and smite; your eye shall not spare and you shall show no pity; slay old men outright, young men and maidens, little children and women...'" [Ezekiel 9:5] bob Hong Kong A theologian is like a blind man in a dark room searching for a black cat which isn't there - and finding it! [Anonymous] > CHRISTIANS UNITE > > Christian.c > > > > > > Everywhere we turn God seems to be under attack, to be banished from > > > our [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > young men and maidens, little children and women...'" > [Ezekiel 9:5] what really makes me chuckle is that the atheists I've met over the years seem to pride themselves on their intelligence most of all. These intelligent individuals can't seem to tell when they're being trolled, can't recognize a sock puppet, can't do anything but argue about the nonexistance of god. SignatureGene Poole Signature sold separately > what really makes me chuckle is that the atheists I've met over the > years seem to pride themselves on their intelligence most of all. These > intelligent individuals can't seem to tell when they're being trolled, > can't recognize a sock puppet, can't do anything but argue about the > nonexistance of god. What makes me chuckle is how often you post some variation of this paragraph. Slainte, Fletch > > what really makes me chuckle is that the atheists I've met over the > > years seem to pride themselves on their intelligence most of all. These [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > What makes me chuckle is how often you post some variation of this > paragraph. I guess I'd assumed that the people that were still replying simply had to have missed it the previous times...it never occurred to me that they could possibly know and just be retarded :) HTH SignatureGene Poole Signature sold separately > > > > Everywhere we turn God seems to be under attack, to be banished from > our [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > Oh please, god causes more issues and grief than atheism. Go get > an education. LOL....i love this statement, because its devoid of original thought. The TOPIC of God causes more issues and grief than atheism...not God himself. >>>Everywhere we turn God seems to be under attack, to be banished from our >>>life as a threat to our citizens and their civil liberties. Aint that a [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > But our nation has turned its collective back on the Word of God. What god? You mean that god for which you have no evidence whatsoever, despite several centuries time to come up with some? > It is no wonder then that we find ourselves, as a nation, clashing over > social issues that were once non-issues when the Bible was revered as > ultimate truth by our churches, our schools and even by our government. Nor > is it any wonder that we are losing the battle on homosexual marriage and > other critical cultural issues today. The Bible is totally self-contradcicting and thus totally unsuitable for claims about the "ultimate truth". > There's an increase in secular thinking. . because we have lost biblical > authority. You got that one backward. RS > >>>Everywhere we turn God seems to be under attack, to be banished from our > >>>life as a threat to our citizens and their civil liberties. Aint that a [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > whatsoever, despite several centuries time to come up with > some? Okay kiddies, here we have atheist number (what is it like 230 of them?) constantly demanding of theists proof of the reality of God's existence externally of the theist, but atheists cannot even provide proof of the reality of their own existence externally of themselves, which proves only this; that the majority of atheists are just as BIG of hypocrites as the majority of theists. > > It is no wonder then that we find ourselves, as a nation, clashing over > > social issues that were once non-issues when the Bible was revered as [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > The Bible is totally self-contradcicting and thus totally unsuitable for > claims about the "ultimate truth". Meaning you choose to reject God because he hasn't thrown lightening bolts at your enemies from the heavens above or parted the Atlantic ocean on your behalf. I tell you this, he shall never do such a thing. And because of this, you shall probably never believe, and will not be saved. If your existence is not enough to prove that a superior being exists (Our Heavenly Father), then you're overlooking more than you know. CHRISTIANS UNITE Christian.c >>What god? You mean that god for which you have no evidence >>whatsoever, despite several centuries time to come up with [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > this; that the majority of atheists are just as BIG of hypocrites as the > majority of theists. *You* say that your god exists, so *you* have to provide the evidence. Atheists have nothing to prove, since they don't make any outlandish claims about invisible sky-pixies. >>The Bible is totally self-contradcicting and thus totally unsuitable for >>claims about the "ultimate truth". > > Meaning you choose to reject God because he hasn't thrown lightening bolts > at your enemies from the heavens above or parted the Atlantic ocean on your > behalf. In order to be able to reject anything it has to exist first. > I tell you this, he shall never do such a thing. And because of this, you > shall probably never believe, and will not be saved. So your god doesn't even bother to give people the evidence of his existence when needed. Some god you have... sounds like a sick psychopath to me. > If your existence is not enough to prove that a superior being exists (Our > Heavenly Father), then you're overlooking more than you know. Existence in itself is not proof of anything. RS > >>What god? You mean that god for which you have no evidence > >>whatsoever, despite several centuries time to come up with [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > his existence when needed. Some god you have... sounds like a sick > psychopath to me. You wish for Christians to provide ridiculous extreme examples of God's existence as proof ("ask your 'sky pixie' to move Alaska to Nebraska") that furnishing it will be not just unlikely, but inherently contradictory or subject to some divine self-proscription that was quite obvious to all but the most uninsightful. HTH CHRISTIANS UNITE Christian.c > > If your existence is not enough to prove that a superior being exists (Our > > Heavenly Father), then you're overlooking more than you know. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > ----== Posted via Newsfeed.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- > http://www.newsfeed.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! >100,000 Newsgroups > ---= =--- In alt.games.video.nintendo.gamecube, "a.a" <b.b@cc.dd> wrote: >> So your god doesn't even bother to give people the evidence of >> his existence when needed. Some god you have... sounds like a sick [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >subject to some divine self-proscription that was quite obvious to all but >the most uninsightful. You're not making any sense.. but then again you're just being a mindless sock puppet of the high priests of your god. > > So your god doesn't even bother to give people the evidence of > > his existence when needed. Some god you have... sounds like a sick [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > subject to some divine self-proscription that was quite obvious to all but > the most uninsightful. Translation: "My irrational god-belief is not based on any evidence whatsoever, which is the reason that I can't provide any." And how typical that you don't even try to address the rest of my post RS And so upon Fri, 20 Feb 2004 09:02:42 -0500 didst a.a speak thusly: >> >>What god? You mean that god for which you have no evidence >> >>whatsoever, despite several centuries time to come up with [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > subject to some divine self-proscription that was quite obvious to all but > the most uninsightful. In short, you're aware there's no evidence for the existence of this being you're on about. > CHRISTIANS UNITE That'd be a first. SignatureMark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423 EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion "There is no system but GNU, and Linux is one of its kernels." > > >>What god? You mean that god for which you have no evidence > > >>whatsoever, despite several centuries time to come up with [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > subject to some divine self-proscription that was quite obvious to all but > the most uninsightful. All that is asked is that you supply empirical, substansive evidence, what sort of evidence is your own choice. > > >>What god? You mean that god for which you have no evidence > > >>whatsoever, despite several centuries time to come up with [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > subject to some divine self-proscription that was quite obvious to all but > the most uninsightful. Would it be extreme to just ask that he appear? -- Ron Baker "Ron Baker, Pluralitas!" wrote: > > > >>What god? You mean that god for which you have no evidence > > > >>whatsoever, despite several centuries time to come up with [quoted text clipped - 44 lines] > > Would it be extreme to just ask that he appear? .......'he', that god fella only appeared 2000 years ago when everything was virtually 'word of mouth' or should I say 'word of simple primitive mouths' with abundent ears ready and willing to gobble up any story, no matter how outrageous. And some still gobble it up! Bob Hong kong > -- > Ron Baker > > >>What god? You mean that god for which you have no evidence > > >>whatsoever, despite several centuries time to come up with [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > subject to some divine self-proscription that was quite obvious to all but > the most uninsightful. that's funny. I remember when you used the term "sky pixie" derogatorily. cognitive dissonance, I guess. SignatureGene Poole flavour of the weak! >You wish for Christians to provide ridiculous extreme examples of God's >existence as proof ("ask your 'sky pixie' to move Alaska to Nebraska") that >furnishing it will be not just unlikely, but inherently contradictory or >subject to some divine self-proscription that was quite obvious to all but >the most uninsightful. You're shifting the burdon of proof because you know there's not a shred of evidence for that imaginary god of yours. Xtians make the claim, Xtians provide the proof. It's that simple, folks. > > >>What god? You mean that god for which you have no evidence [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > evidence. Atheists have nothing to prove, since they don't make > any outlandish claims about invisible sky-pixies. Sir, the evidence of God is all around us, and there's an enormous difference in categorically rejecting as evidence that which you first define as *not* evidence, and then going on from there to assert that there is no evidence because it doesn't fit your pre-defined set of criteria. You don't get to define for the rest of us what constitutes evidence of God's existence. For anyone to unconditionally assert that there is no God, and to refuse to allow for the possibility of God's existence, is every bit as much an article of faith as believing in His existence. It's merely two sides of the same coin. Effectively, atheists are now trying to deny those who believe in God a place at the political table, trying to disenfranchise an entire class of people, as it were. > > *You* say that your god exists, so *you* have to provide the > > evidence. Atheists have nothing to prove, since they don't make [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > there is no evidence because it doesn't fit your pre-defined set of > criteria. Oh? So where is the evidence for this 'god' then? > You don't get to define for the rest of us what constitutes > evidence of God's existence. I am not defining anything.. I simply haven't seen any. > For anyone to unconditionally assert that > there is no God, and to refuse to allow for the possibility of God's > existence, is every bit as much an article of faith as believing in > His existence. No, since there is no evidence whatsoever for this god's existence, it's reasonable to assume he doesn't exist. If you want me to think otherwise, *present the evidence* No amount of special pleading will do. > It's merely two sides of the same coin. Effectively, > atheists are now trying to deny those who believe in God a place at > the political table, trying to disenfranchise an entire class of > people, as it were. Atheists simply don't like it when other people try to push their irrational beliefs down their throats. RS > > >>What god? You mean that god for which you have no evidence > > >>whatsoever, despite several centuries time to come up with [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > the political table, trying to disenfranchise an entire class of > people, as it were. Sir, the evidence of natural selection and evolution is all around us, and there's an enoumous difference in categorically rejecting as evidence that which you first define as 'not' evidence... Yada, yada, you get the point. In other words, you cannot categorically, prove that there is a God using the scientific method. (snip) > > Sir, the evidence of God is all around us, and there's an enormous > > difference in categorically rejecting as evidence that which you first [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > In other words, you cannot categorically, prove that there is a God using > the scientific method. And neither can the non-existence of God be proven by the scientific method. The best science can ever do is to *describe* events and spatial relationships, not explain their origin or meaning. There will never be, in any fundamental sense, a how or why forthcoming from the scientific community shedding any light whatever on these fundamental questions for the simple reason that the created, us, can never, by definition, know the mind of his Creator. The gulf between understanding the mere mechanics of evolution and actually setting those events in motion by creating the very stage upon which they take place is one we'll never breach, for to do so would effectively mean we could ourselves create a universe for it to happen in. And even at that, there's always the matter of regression, which is to say, who and what would have given us that enormous intelligence and resources to do such a thing. Again, science merely describes reality, and not too well at that. If you knew anything at all about particle and quantum physics, or relativity for that matter, you'd understand that there's enormous disagreement within the scientific community in many critical areas concerning evolution, relativity, anthropology and quantum mechanics. For instance, we don't have the slightest idea why particles behave the way they do at the sub-atomic level, and probably never will. All we do is describe the physics of their indeterminate movement. Quite literally, nothing happens in this universe until there's a conscious, thinking mind to observe it. It's then that reality comes into being. This, sir, is more shocking in its implications than any religious dogma I have ever ran across. But it's science! All of this is relevant in that it's your crowd which is now imposing its worldview on others, and to the extent that you insist on doing so you cannot demand that we accept a position you cannot prove by the scientific method either. Describing a tree, a rock, evolution or planets, or how they interact with each other, says not a thing about how they got here or why they're here. (Bernadette) > (snip) > [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > And neither can the non-existence of God be proven by the scientific > method. It's not science's burden of proof to prove that your sky pixie doesn't exist. > And neither can the non-existence of God be proven by the scientific > method. The best science can ever do is to *describe* events and > spatial relationships, not explain their origin or meaning. Science is not about disproving fairy-tales. > There will > never be, in any fundamental sense, a how or why forthcoming from the > scientific community shedding any light whatever on these fundamental > questions for the simple reason that the created, us, can never, by > definition, know the mind of his Creator. This is nothing but ad hoc reasoning. <- snip rest of logical fallacy -> RS > > And neither can the non-existence of God be proven by the scientific > > method. The best science can ever do is to *describe* events and [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > <- snip rest of logical fallacy -> I can't believe you read the whole thing. Drivel. Slainte, Fletch > > This is nothing but ad hoc reasoning. > > > > <- snip rest of logical fallacy -> > > I can't believe you read the whole thing. Drivel. I work in the IT-business, so I am used to reading lots of drivel ;) RS > > > This is nothing but ad hoc reasoning. > > > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > I work in the IT-business, so I am used to reading lots > of drivel ;) Ah, you have built up antibodies. Slainte, Fletch > (snip) > [quoted text clipped - 52 lines] > planets, or how they interact with each other, says not a thing about > how they got here or why they're here..... I have asked this question of Fundies many times before - it always stumps them - I do not expect a reply: "Ever seen pictures of grossly deformed human fetus that have been aborted? Some are so revolting the mother gets to see them. Why does your all powerful god live with this? Bob a Brit. in Hong Kong > (Bernadette) > I have asked this question of Fundies many times before - it always stumps them - I do not expect a reply: > > "Ever seen pictures of grossly deformed human fetus that have been aborted? Some are so revolting the mother gets to see > them. > > Why does your all powerful god live with this? It is a reminder to us of how we corrupted his creation. A deformed child is a painful reminder. > > I have asked this question of Fundies many times before - it always stumps them - I do not expect a reply: > > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > It is a reminder to us of how we corrupted his creation. > A deformed child is a painful reminder... ....We are not the creation of any deity, we were created and we evolved naturally like all the other animals. It is said ten species die out on this planet every day. Why would an all powerful creative god allow his work to die out. Another nail in the religious 'coffin' Grow up > > It is a reminder to us of how we corrupted his creation. > > A deformed child is a painful reminder... [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Grow up Boilerplate answer: We are not meant to understand God's will. Good luck gettin' around that all-encompassing drivel. Slainte, Fletch > > > It is a reminder to us of how we corrupted his creation. > > > A deformed child is a painful reminder... [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Good luck gettin' around that all-encompassing drivel... .......the drivel is in that book you read written by goat herders! > Slainte, > Fletch > > >>What god? You mean that god for which you have no evidence > > >>whatsoever, despite several centuries time to come up with [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Sir, the evidence of God is all around us, and there's an enormous Which evidence is that? Is it the warm yellow sun coming up in the morning? Is it the fragrance of a flower? Is it cancer? Is it men flying planes into buildings? > difference in categorically rejecting as evidence that which you first > define as *not* evidence, and then going on from there to assert that > there is no evidence because it doesn't fit your pre-defined set of > criteria. You don't get to define for the rest of us what constitutes > evidence of God's existence. Who gets to define for the rest of us what constitutes evidence of God's existence? > For anyone to unconditionally assert that > there is no God, and to refuse to allow for the possibility of God's [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > the political table, trying to disenfranchise an entire class of > people, as it were. How do you figure? How is that? What about Hindus? Are they trying to deny Christians a place at the political table? Do Hindus deserve a place at the political table? Do you deny the existance of Shiva? -- Ron Baker > > Richard Smol <jazzcat_nospam_@dds.nl> wrote in message > news:<403610cd$1_2@127.0.0.1>... [quoted text clipped - 51 lines] > > Do you deny the existance of Shiva? "Man is a Religious Animal. Man is the only Religious Animal. He is the only animal that has the True Religion -- several of them. He is the only animal that loves his neighbor as himself and cuts his throat if his theology isn't straight." -- Mark Twain, 'Letters from the Earth' Slainte, Fletch > > > Richard Smol <jazzcat_nospam_@dds.nl> wrote in message > > news:<403610cd$1_2@127.0.0.1>... [quoted text clipped - 58 lines] > straight." > -- Mark Twain, 'Letters from the Earth' Nice point, I copied your Mark Twain, hope you don't mind if I use it again on some occasion. Bob Hong Kong Here's one for you if you don't already have it: It was the schoolboy who said: "Faith is believing what you know ain't so." Mark Twain (1835-1910) > Slainte, > Fletch "Ron Baker, Pluralitas!" wrote: > > Richard Smol <jazzcat_nospam_@dds.nl> wrote in message > news:<403610cd$1_2@127.0.0.1>... [quoted text clipped - 54 lines] > -- > Ron Baker ...do you deny the existance of these gods?: [Note under African Gods the number devoted to Supremacy] Allah, Aphrodite, Ares, Athena, Apollo, Artemis, Babaluaye, Bacchus, Baldur, Bast, Bellona, Brahma, Brigid, Ceres, Cupid, Cerridwen, Demeter, Diana, Dione, Dionysus, Eris, Eos, Eleggua, , El Shaddai, Elohim Eshu, Ereshkigal, Frigga, Frey, Freya, Gaea, Lord Genesa, Hades, Hebe, Hera, Helios, Hel, Hephaestus, Hermes, Hestia, Horus, Ibeji, Ifa, Inanna, Indra, Ishana, Ishtar, Isis, Janus, Juno, Jehovah, Jove, Jupiter, Kali. Krishna Kronos, Korravai, Loki, Lugh, Lord Indra, Manitou, Mars, Mercury, Minerva, Mercurius, Morrigan, Nahuiquiahuitl, Nanahuatzin, Nephthys, Neptune, Obatala, Odin, Ogun, Oshosi, Oshun, Osiris, Oya, Orunmila, Olokun, Olodumare, Pluto, Persephone, Poseidon, Proserpina, Quetzalcoatl, Ra, Lord Rama, Rhea, Saturn, Set, Selene, Shango, Lord Siva, Tammuz, Thor, Tir, Tiw, Uranus, Venus, Vesta, Vishnu, Vesta, Vulcan, Wotan, Yahweh, Yemaya, Zeus,and Lint® the Laundry God. African gods: Abassi [Sky] Abonsam [Evil] Abora [Supreme] Abzu [Water] Acoran [Supreme] Adaheli [Sun] Adro [Sky] Adroa [Sky] Agassou [Panther] Agbe-Naete [Water] Age [Animals] Aigamuxa [Monster] Ajalamo[Unborn Children] Aje [Wealth] Ajok [Supreme] Akonadi [Oracle] Akongo [Supreme] Akuj [Supreme] Ala [Earth/Fertility] Alatangana [Creator] Amma [Creator] Anansi [Trickster] Anyiewo [Snake] Aondo [Creator] Apa [Creator] Apedemak [War] Arawa [Moon] Arebati [Sky] Arom [Contracts] Arsan Duolai [Underworld] Asase Ya [Earth] Ashiakle [Wealth] Asis [Sun] Astar [Sky] Ataa Naa Nyongmo [Creator] Ataokoloinona [Supreme] Atete [Fertility] Avrikiti [Fishermen] Ayabba [Ayaba] [Hearth] Bacax [Cave] Bagba [Wind] Balubaal [Earth+] Bandara [Superior Gods] Banga [Clear water] Behanzin [Fish] Beher [Sea] Bera Pennu [Vegetation] Bo [Warriors] Bomazi[Ancestors] Buadza [WInd] Buck[River] Buku [Sky] Bumba [Creator] Cagn [Creator] (!Kaggen) Cghene [Creator] Chiuke (Chuku) [Creator] Chiata [Supreme] Chwezi [Hero] Col [Rain] Chikara [Sky] Danh (Dan Ayido Hwedo) [Snake] Deng [Sky] Deohako [Beans+] Dii Mauri [Moorish Gods] Dongo [Outer Space] Dugbo [Earth] Dxui [Creator] Emeli-hi [Supreme] Eranoranhan [Protector] Eshu (Elegba) [Trickster] Fa [Destiny] Famien [Fertility] Faro [Sky/Water] Fidi Mukullu [Creator] Garang and Abuk [First Humans] Gbeni [Chief] Gei (Gou) [Moon] Gu [War/Smiths] Gua [Sky] Gulu [Supreme] Gunab [Evil] Guruhi [Evil] Gurzil [Bull] Gwalu [Rain] Hammon [Setting Sun] Harun and Haruna [Water Spirits] Heitsi-Eibib [Sorcerer] Hevioss [Thunder] Huntin [Tree] Huvean [Creator] Ifa [Oracul] Ikenga [Supreme] Imana [Creator] Iruwa [Sun] Juok [Creator] Kalumba [Creator] Kalunga Supreme] Katavi [Demonic] Ka Tyeleo [Supreme] Khebieso [Lightening] Kho-dumo-dumo [Demon] Kholomodumo [Monster] Khuzwane [Creator] Kibuka [War] Kokola [Guardian] Kwammang-a [Supreme] Kwoth [Spirit] Kyala [Creator] Legba [Trickster] Leza [Chief] Libanza [Supreme] Lisa [Chameleon] Lyangombe[Chief] Macardit [Demon] Mantis [Creator] Massim-Biambe [Creator] Mawu [Sky] Mawu-Lisa [Supreme Couple] Mbotumbo [Supreme] Medr [Earth] Moomb [Creator] Mon [?] Mugasa Mugu [Sky] Mujaji [Rain] Mukasa [Supreme] Mula Djadi [Creator] Muluku [Supreme] Mulungu Mungu [Creator] Mungo (Mungu) [?] Musa (Teaching] Musisi [Supreme] Mwari [Supreme] Nampa [Personal] Nana-Bouclou [First Gods] Nana Buluk [Creator] Ndjambi [Sky] Ndriananahary [Supreme] Nduru [Jungle] Nenaunir [Storm] Nesshoue [River] Ngai ('Ngai) [Creator] Ngewo-wa [Creator] Ngworekara [Demon] Niamye [Supreme] Nkosi Yama'kosi [Supreme] Nommo [Elemental] Nommo [Spirit] Nyama [Animal] Nyambe [Supreme] Nyambi (Nyambe) [Supreme] Nyame Nyami-Nyami [Guardian] Nyankopon (Ashanti:Nyame) [Supreme] Nyamia Ama [Supreme] Nyasaye [Supeme] Nzambi (Nzambi) Mpunguo) [Supreme] Nzame [Supreme] Obassi Osaw [Supreme] Obatala [Sky] Oduduwa (Odudua) [Earth] Ogun (Ogoun) War] Olokula [Sea] Olorun [Supreme] Omumbo-Rombonga [Tree of Life] Orahan [Supreme] Orisa Nla [Creator] Orishako [Agriculture] Orunjan [Midday Sun] Orunmila [Compassion] O |
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