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Game Forum / Nintendo / Game Boy / January 2004Developers Support Nintendo DS
Developers Support Nintendo DS By Dennis Day, News Editor Published January 23, 2004 -- 04:41 pm CDT In the wake of Nintendo's announcement earlier this week regarding plans to develop a dual-screen handheld dubbed "Nintendo DS," developers have begun lining up to support the device. According to the Nikkei Keizai Shimbun both Konami and Namco plan to develop software for the new handheld. According to a Namco spokesperson, "We're not at the development stage yet, but we intend to support Nintendo DS." Expect more details regarding the system and its software lineup to emerge at this year's E3 Expo in May. > Developers Support Nintendo DS > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > to support Nintendo DS." Expect more details regarding the system and its > software lineup to emerge at this year's E3 Expo in May. Teh sw33tn3ss! Good news, to be sure. "Ice Wipe Inc." <koalafuckers@nintendo.com> wrote: > developers have begun lining up to support the device. Two developers is a line-up? > According to a Namco spokesperson, > "We're not at the development stage yet, but we intend to support > Nintendo DS." That couldn't sound more half-hearted if they tried. So, let's recap... it's going to be bigger than a GBA, making it too big to comfortably put in your pocket. It's going to use a brand new cartridge format and not be compatible with GBA games or linkable to the GC. It's not going to be a media player like the PSP, which is also coming out this year. Its key feature is dual screen play, which when it comes to GC-GBA connectivity has proven to be a gimmick at best. It's going to be almost twice as much money as a GBA SP, and be competing for gamers' dollars with the GBA in a year when Nintendo needs to fend off a new rival in the handheld arena. Yep, sounds like a good idea to me. Maybe each Nintendo DS will come with a vial of crack from Nintendo's obviously huge stockpile of same. There better be some huge revelations about this unit at E3 (eg. it *will* be compatible with GBA games or play GC games or something like that), otherwise this is going to be Nintendo's biggest mistake since the Virtual Boy, and in a year when they can't afford to look incompetent. -Z- Zackman: > There better be some huge revelations about this unit at E3 (eg. it > *will* be compatible with GBA games or play GC games or something > like that), otherwise this is going to be Nintendo's biggest mistake > since the Virtual Boy, and in a year when they can't afford to look > incompetent. Wait a sec... so you're saying that a product of a brand new format, one of which we have not even seen a picture, will ONLY sell, will ONLY work, no matter of the quality, if it plays previously existing games? Jumping the gun a LITTLE, eh? Plus, the successors to the GC and GBA are coming out separately.  Signature----------- Deep Thought ----------- Erase the Earth to e-mail me. > Zackman: > > There better be some huge revelations about this unit at E3 (eg. it [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Jumping the gun a LITTLE, eh? Well.. you're forgetting that in this business "image" is THE key selling factor of any gaming device. Since Nintendo is screwing up its image pretty rapidly with all their stupid mistakes, this can only be good news for Sony (and the sheer millions of Sony-lemmings). Keep in mind that most people buying the gear won't know that a new GBA is on the way as well. So for them it will be the old SP and the DS versus the powerful (and undoubtedly hyped-to-new-heights) PSP. Guess which one will win? > Well.. you're forgetting that in this business "image" is THE key > selling factor of any gaming device. Since Nintendo is screwing up > its image pretty rapidly with all their stupid mistakes, this can > only be good news for Sony (and the sheer millions of Sony-lemmings). And it gets worse: EA hasn't commited to supporting the DS at all, but they're gung-ho on the PSP with up to a dozen games already in the pipeline and due in stores between the PSP launch and March of next year: http://www.gamespot.com/all/news/news_6087083.html Unless the DS uses its dual screens to suck you off like a toothless Thai hooker, this thing has got Virtual Boy 2 written all over it. Except at least the Virtual Boy wasn't competing against a similar Nintendo product already in the marketplace. Nintendo is going to be cannibalizing their GBA sales with the DS, assuming it isn't so ridiculous that no one will go near it in the first place. -Z- > Unless the DS uses its dual screens to suck you off like a toothless Thai > hooker, this thing has got Virtual Boy 2 written all over it. Except at > least the Virtual Boy wasn't competing against a similar Nintendo product > already in the marketplace. Nintendo is going to be cannibalizing their GBA > sales with the DS, assuming it isn't so ridiculous that no one will go near > it in the first place. A scary thought for sure. You would have thought that by now Nintendo would have realized that people aren't interested in gimmicky hardware anymore. The masses are now used to comparing MHz, RAM, screen dimensions, capacity of storagemedia etc. On the basis of that, coupled with the indestructible image the Playstation has established, Sony will now destroy Nintendo saleswise on the handheld market as well. And these newsgroups will be flooded with lam3 tr0ll kids to tell us. Sad sad sad. I hope they'll be smart enough to make the GBA2 a massive 3D powerhouse and will come out with some great ORIGINAL release titles in 3D. Instead of stubbornly sticking with slow hardware and lame SNES ports. > "Ice Wipe Inc." <koalafuckers@nintendo.com> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > So, let's recap... it's going to be bigger than a GBA, making it too big to > comfortably put in your pocket. We don't know that yet. It's going to have more screen area, yes, so it probably will be bigger. Too big to fit in your pocket? Maybe, maybe not. Depends on how clever the design is. The GB pocket and original GBA were bigger than the SP yet still incredibly popular - as long as it doesn't go over that size (when closed) it should be fine as a portable. > It's going to use a brand new cartridge > format and not be compatible with GBA games or linkable to the GC. I don't think that has been confirmed yet - has it? > It's not > going to be a media player like the PSP, which is also coming out this year. Again, how do you know? It might play MP3's and WMA's. The processors are certainly powerful enough to do it. I agree that Nintendo would be smart to include this capability somehow, or at least make a flash MP3 cartridge available. > Its key feature is dual screen play, which when it comes to GC-GBA > connectivity has proven to be a gimmick at best. I don't think you can compare GBA connectivity to this. The dual screens are going to give the device a LOT of screen space for a portable. It should be interesting to see what developers do with the extra space. I saw somewhere that it was supposed to be possible to combine the screens into one large screen for the game, though how well that would work I don't know. I assume there would be a visible line between them, even if they are flush against each other. I'm not sure how distracting that would be without seeing it in action. > It's going to be almost > twice as much money as a GBA SP, I don't know how much Nintendo will charge for it, but I seriously doubt it will cost twice as much as a GBA SP to produce. Nintendo seems to be using a lot of GBA parts in the design. That's going to give them massive economies of scale for a brand new device. Think about it. Same screens, same processor, no doubt the same cartridge interface and lots of the same internals. It's likely that DS development kits will simply be modified versions of the GBA development kits, so those will be cheap to produce as well. For a new device this is going to be dirt cheap for Nintendo to produce - and increased volumes due to DS production will help lower their production costs for the GBA as well. > and be competing for gamers' dollars with > the GBA in a year when Nintendo needs to fend off a new rival in the > handheld arena. That could be a problem. I'm curious about how Nintendo plans to market the two devices separately, without creating a lot of confusion. > Yep, sounds like a good idea to me. Maybe each Nintendo DS will come with a > vial of crack from Nintendo's obviously huge stockpile of same. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > otherwise this is going to be Nintendo's biggest mistake since the Virtual > Boy, and in a year when they can't afford to look incompetent. I think it all depends on what kind of development support they get. If the device looks cool, and third party support is strong, then there is no way this will be a VB type fiasco. If they don't get much support for it then that's going to be a problem. However, considering that DS development will probably be almost identical to GBA development, and the number of developers that are already expert in GBA development, I would expect a substantial amount of third party support. Hopefully that support will come in the form of new games rather than enhanced GBA ports, but we'll see. I have no idea if the DS will be successful or not. I don't think we'll know that until we actually see it. If it's a cool looking little device and has impressive capabilities, then I think it will do well. Considering how closely related to the GBA it is, developers should be able to hit the ground running, unlike with the PSP where they have to start from scratch. So don't write it off yet, not until we see what it's capable of. The PSP will be cool, but not many people will be able to drop $300 down on a portable gaming device. > > "Ice Wipe Inc." <koalafuckers@nintendo.com> wrote: > > [quoted text clipped - 89 lines] > ground running, unlike with the PSP where they have to start from scratch. > So don't write it off yet, not until we see what it's capable of. |
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