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Game Forum / Nintendo / Game Boy / December 2006Wii Virtual Console dead for those that will use emulators and ROMs -
http://www.gamert.nl/nu_al_emulators_op_wii.html#comments it's actually one of the emulators made for GAMECUBE running on Wii. still, this is good news. there is no WAY i'd pay the Virtual Console prices for NES, SNES, Nintendo64, Genesis or TurboGrafx games. I would imagine that in time, there will be emulators that take advantage of the extra power and RAM of the Wii instead of just emus for GameCube running on the backward compatiblity of Wii. I can't wait to see if someone gets MAME running on Wii. > http://www.gamert.nl/nu_al_emulators_op_wii.html#comments > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > I can't wait to see if someone gets MAME running on Wii. Some game prices are a rip off. Altered Beast for $8? yeah rrright. >> http://www.gamert.nl/nu_al_emulators_op_wii.html#comments >> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Some game prices are a rip off. Altered Beast for $8? yeah rrright. What exactly is the story with the Virtual Arcade? Are the games ported to the Wii, or is it done through some sort of emulation? If the games *are* being ported, then are games like Altered Beast a port of the Megadrive or arcade version? I'd hate to start Guest off (hello Guest ;) ) but surely the Wii has got enough beans to be able to run arcade stuff from the late 80's and early 90's? Pete >>> http://www.gamert.nl/nu_al_emulators_op_wii.html#comments >>> [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > Pete hate to break it to you, but the video shows a cheat device (unsuccessfully) trying to play copied games on a gamecube. >hate to break it to you, but the video shows a cheat device >(unsuccessfully) trying to play copied games on a gamecube. so unsuccessfully that he gets the snes emulator to work....  Signaturegamertag: Chrisflynnuk http://live.xbox.com/member/Chrisflynnuk Current eBay auctions: http://tinyurl.com/hutcb >> What exactly is the story with the Virtual Arcade? Are the games >> ported to the Wii, or is it done through some sort of emulation? [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > hate to break it to you, but the video shows a cheat device > (unsuccessfully) trying to play copied games on a gamecube. Sorry, I didn't really make it clear that I was drifting off-topic! Although it's not entirely off-topic 'cause AirRaid is talking about the Virtual Console being dead which I don't think is necessarily the case. Maybe for hackers and "tecchy" people, but I doubt the mass market will bother. I already have a PC in the lounge that I use for emulation so I wouldn't feel the need to hack around with my Wii and would possibly purchase some of the older classics even though they seem to be perceived as being a rip-off. So to get back to what I was asking, it was totally unrelated to the video - I was just after more information about the official Virtual Arcade. Pete >>>> http://www.gamert.nl/nu_al_emulators_op_wii.html#comments >>>> [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > hate to break it to you, but the video shows a cheat device > (unsuccessfully) trying to play copied games on a gamecube. They are emulated console versions. > What exactly is the story with the Virtual Arcade? Are the games ported > to the Wii, or is it done through some sort of emulation? during the gcn run nintendo wrote emulators for earlier consoles. when you play zelda collectors edition on gcn its actually emulating the n64. to bring all this to the wii party all they needed was a gcn emulator on the wii. if the hardware is similar enough, this may have been very easy. so when you mario 64 through the virtual console you're actually playing it on a n64 emulator running inside a gcn emulator. thats my guess anyway. >> What exactly is the story with the Virtual Arcade? Are the games ported >> to the Wii, or is it done through some sort of emulation? [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > so when you mario 64 through the virtual console you're actually playing > it on a n64 emulator running inside a gcn emulator. thats my guess anyway. So let's get this right... ;) Wii emulates a gcn (Although it has the hardware chips of the GC anyways) Of which the GCN emulates the N64, the N64 emulates the SNES and the SNES emulates the NES and the NES could in theory emulate the VCS2600 if it ever came onto the service. ;) That or get the NES to emulate the Game & Watch series. :D Okay, stop being silly now. However, wouldn't mind if they added Atari Jaguar on the virtual console list for say, Tempest 2000, Alien vs Predator, etc. Oh and Lynx for Chips Challenge :) But I want PC Engine version of Chase HQ, not that crappy SNES 3D version looking out from inside the car rubbish. SignatureSkipai >>> What exactly is the story with the Virtual Arcade? Are the games ported >>> to the Wii, or is it done through some sort of emulation? [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > But I want PC Engine version of Chase HQ, not that crappy SNES 3D version > looking out from inside the car rubbish. i think they did the snes emulators for the gcn. as far as gcn emulation on the wii, assuming the gpu architecture is similar that should be a breeze. > However, wouldn't mind if they added Atari Jaguar on the virtual console > list for say, Tempest 2000, Alien vs Predator, etc. Oh and Lynx for Chips > Challenge :) Now we're talking... > But I want PC Engine version of Chase HQ, not that crappy SNES 3D version > looking out from inside the car rubbish. I didn't know that there was a SNES version! Sounds cack though. If the PC Engine version was like the arcade, then I'm with you on that one! :) This goes back to what I was saying though, surely the Wii should have enough power to handle a port of the arcade version rather than the PC Engine version - unless they are using emulation? *But* if emulation was being implemented then surely every SNES, NES, Megadrive (Genesis) and PC Engine game ever made would have been available from day 1? Because I live in the UK I don't actually know what's available on the Virtual Arcade at the moment, but I'm assuming from what I hear that it's only a handful of games. Pete >> However, wouldn't mind if they added Atari Jaguar on the virtual console >> list for say, Tempest 2000, Alien vs Predator, etc. Oh and Lynx for [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > I didn't know that there was a SNES version! Sounds cack though. If the PC > Engine version was like the arcade, then I'm with you on that one! PC Engine was the Arcade version. The SNES... Er, how can I put this.... Mode 7 graphics, tiny windscreen window to look out on and you played it that way. It wasn't anywhere like the game, waste of time to be honest. SignatureSkipai > >> However, wouldn't mind if they added Atari Jaguar on the virtual console > >> list for say, Tempest 2000, Alien vs Predator, etc. Oh and Lynx for [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > Mode 7 graphics, tiny windscreen window to look out on and you played it > that way. It wasn't anywhere like the game, waste of time to be honest. PC Engine was the Arcade version? WTF? lol. >*But* if emulation was >being implemented then surely every SNES, NES, Megadrive (Genesis) and >PC Engine game ever made would have been available from day 1? Why? Emulation is hard. Sure, I'm sure Nintendo knows their systems better than anyone, but I highly doubt that even they'd be able to create a 100% perfect emulator for 3 different systems (NES, SNES, N64) in one go. Even the best NES and SNES emulators for the PC, despite years upon years of work, aren't quite 100% compatible. The reality is that to be able to sell old games via emulation, each and every game has to be thoroughly tested to ensure that it works perfectly. And every time you find a game that doesn't work and fix it, you run a very high risk of breaking compatibility with other games that you've already tested. With cartridge-based systems, it gets even more complex, since Nintendo liked to stuff random arrays of chips into the carts. You not only need to perfectly emulate the NES system, you have to emulate the random chips that shipped with each game. The NES is almost like 20 different systems in one, and the SNES is nearly as bad. >> *But* if emulation was >> being implemented then surely every SNES, NES, Megadrive (Genesis) and [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > game. The NES is almost like 20 different systems in one, and the > SNES is nearly as bad. Those are very valid points and ones I hadn't considered! I guess because there are so many good emulators on the PC I just assumed that Nintendo would get something comprehensive up and running quickly, but like you say, all the games need to be tested for bugs so it's gonna take time. Pete >> What exactly is the story with the Virtual Arcade? Are the games ported >> to the Wii, or is it done through some sort of emulation? [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >so when you mario 64 through the virtual console you're actually playing >it on a n64 emulator running inside a gcn emulator. thats my guess anyway. i don't think it has a cube emulator in there, it's basically the same hardware, but more powerful from what i understand and all the cube compatibility is hardware based, rather than software. Signaturegamertag: Chrisflynnuk http://live.xbox.com/member/Chrisflynnuk Current eBay auctions: http://tinyurl.com/hutcb > Some game prices are a rip off. Altered Beast for $8? yeah rrright Mmhh... altered beast =) Great game. > > Some game prices are a rip off. Altered Beast for $8? yeah rrright > > Mmhh... altered beast =) Great game. Well-eh com-eh to your doooooooom-ah. > > Some game prices are a rip off. Altered Beast for $8? yeah rrright > > Mmhh... altered beast =) Great game. the Arcade version of Altered Beast, yeah. the watered-down Genesis version? UGH, no. :) AirRaid a ?crit : > > > Some game prices are a rip off. Altered Beast for $8? yeah rrright > > > > Mmhh... altered beast =) Great game. > > the Arcade version of Altered Beast, yeah. the watered-down Genesis > version? UGH, no. :) WEll I liked it when I was younger, so Hah! > > http://www.gamert.nl/nu_al_emulators_op_wii.html#comments > > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Some game prices are a rip off. Altered Beast for $8? yeah rrright. yeah, no kidding. for $20 you can get Sega Genesis Collection on PS2 which has some of the best Genesis games, and a few Sega arcade games including the superior arcade version of Altered Beast. Wii Virtual Console games are WAY overpriced. a fair pricing structure would be: NES - $3 SNES - $5 Nintendo 64 - $8 Genesis - $5 TurboGrafx - $4 >a fair pricing structure would be: > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >Genesis - $5 >TurboGrafx - $4 I'd definitely agree with you that the games for sale right now are overpriced. I think pricing is more complicated than these flat rates: great/famous games can and should sell for more than 'eh' games. There are tons of crappy NES games that I probably wouldn't buy if they were $2. Legend of Zelda and the like would be worth more to me (Mario games not so much because I'd want the SNES remake a lot more.) Dragon Warrior 4 would pretty much be an instant purchase for me even at $20. |
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