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Game Forum / Nintendo / Game Boy / March 2006PSP2 Rumors Abound
Is Sony planning to release new handheld hardware? by Jane Pinckard, 02/24/2006 Last year analyst Michael Pachter predicted that Sony would be releasing a new, hard drive enabled PSP this spring. Yesterday and today various news outlets and blogs, including Engadget, are reporting on rumors that Sony's prepared to launch a new PSP, with video chat, a built-in hard drive, and connectivity to the PS3 through Wi-Fi, ability to stream media off the PS3, and various other features depending on which version you read. PSPWorld's anonymous source nixes the 8GB of built-in memory rumor, however, reporting instead that it will be 4GB. http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3148291 > Is Sony planning to release new handheld hardware? > by Jane Pinckard, 02/24/2006 [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3148291 If true, I'd be well pissed off if I already owned a PSP. I expect a console to be supported in the form I bought it for a good few years. It's like if I was an Xbox owner, I'd have been insulted at the early release of X360...what was it? 3 years? This though, if true, takes the biscuit - even though it will still technically be a PSP. Glad I don't own one yet, put it that way. I'm happy with the PS2, the support it has had till now is amazing, and they seem to wish to support it much longer. That's how it should be. > If true, I'd be well pissed off if I already owned a PSP. I expect a > console > to be supported in the form I bought it for a good few years. It's like if > I was an Xbox owner, I'd have been insulted at the early release of > X360...what was it? 3 years? 4 years actually. November 2001 to November 2005. Not that you can really consider the XBOX 360 available. As soon as I can even find it on the shelf in the store, I don't consider it "available". I think five years is a good span for a console. Especially if there are going to cost more and more out of the gate. I mean most places you need to buy a "bundle" with extra controllers, games, memory cards, etc, and spend minimally $800!!! But I understand what you're saying. If you're going to invest in a conosole, you at least expect new content for 5-6 years. I own a current gen XBOX and decided to spend money on a PS2 instead of X360. I was recently able to buy a new slim PS2 along with 10 games and two memory cards for under $500!!! Better value IMHO. I figure that should suffice until the X360 costs less than $200 or the PS3 is available and proves itself worthy of my money. > I own a current gen XBOX and decided to spend money on a PS2 instead of > X360. I was recently able to buy a new slim PS2 along with 10 games and > two memory cards for under $500!!! Better value IMHO. I figure that should > suffice until the X360 costs less than $200 or the PS3 is available and > proves itself worthy of my money. That's exactly what I recently did. Although I had no desire for X360 in the first instance, and likely never will. I had Xbox, once, but it left me cold, gathered dust and then got sold on eBay. It's just a PC in console clothing for my money, and I have a *very* nice PC already....and the small few console type "must-haves" it had were simply not my bag - give me Metroid over Halo, and GT4 over PGR, any day of the week. My Gamecube, and increasingly less so my gaming spec PC, were my staple diet of gaming - but both formats had nothing too special on the horizon (apart from Zelda TP), so I got a new slim PS2, and now keep buying up the cream of its back-catalogue on eBay for pittance - I've spent hardly any money at all, and am having the time of my life with them. I have no doubt that I, and you for the same token, are playing better games than those who went out and bought a launch X360. Any console's first/second and sometimes third wave of games are notoriously poor - so let the X360 owners spend £40-£50 each on lesser quality games, well I pick up games like God Of War for a £8 on eBay....and all the while I save an absolute packet towards my Revolution and PS3. Makes sense to me! :) >> I own a current gen XBOX and decided to spend money on a PS2 instead of >> X360. I was recently able to buy a new slim PS2 along with 10 games and [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > like God Of War for a £8 on eBay....and all the while I save an absolute > packet towards my Revolution and PS3. Makes sense to me! :) Good! I actually initially bought the PS2 to play Resident Evil 4 and Metal Gear Solid games. I'm glad I got it because I am a major "24" fan, and just realized the game just came out and bought it. At least as a fan of the show I am loving it! My PS2 game collection includes: 24: The Game Ace Combat 4 Ace Combat 5 God of War Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater Resident Evil 4 SOCOM 3 SOCOM 2 SOCOM Shadow of the Colossus I did find quite a few XBOX games to entertain me. I am a combat flight sim addict (I love Falcon 4 and Pacific Fighters), and have gotten more than my money's worth out of Steel Battalion, Forza Motorsport, Top Spin, and Halo 2. The other games I have haven't touched much. I also soft modded my xbox so I can now play classic MAME games. So it was worth the $150 for me, but there's not much new that attracts me. > My PS2 game collection includes: > > God of War > Resident Evil 4 > Shadow of the Colossus Jesus. Those three right there are pretty much the best games of all time, in my not so humble opinion. The only thing missing is Metroid Prime, but that's another console. I was considering the Xbox only because of OddWorld: the Stranger's Wrath, but I don't want to get a console for just one game.  SignatureCheers, The Rhythm is around me, The Rhythm has control. Ray Blaak The Rhythm is inside me, rAYblaaK@STRIPCAPStelus.net The Rhythm has my soul. >> My PS2 game collection includes: >> [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > but > I don't want to get a console for just one game. That's why I anticipated the release of SOTC so much. I wanted to buy a PS2 *just* to play MGS: Snake Eater, as I've played all the series so far (including Gamecube's magnificent 'Twin Snakes')....but couldn't justify buying a console for just one game, but then when I discovered all about SOTC, and having been a big Ico fan from the days I owned a release day PS2, I could finally justify it. Of course I had to add Gran Turismo 4 into the equation then, and Ace Combat 4, God Of War, Splashdown 2.....I soon realised I'd been missing a lot of good games... and wished I'd replaced my old PS2 much earlier (3 years in-between last PS2 dying, and buying new slim one recently). :) I have Final Fantasy X to add to this collection soon, and a few more from the back catalogue. I doubt I'll get through it all even before the first PS3 price drop. That's the plan anyway. :) I would like to start staying a good few steps behind like this every generation, in the interests of saving money. Although I'll probably buy a release day Revolution. :) >>>My PS2 game collection includes: >>> >>>God of War >>>Resident Evil 4 >>>Shadow of the Colossus resident evil 4 rulez those other 2 games just plain SUCK !!!!! >>>>My PS2 game collection includes: >>>> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > those other 2 games > just plain SUCK !!!!! And people that write in shouty capital letters interspersed with twatish 'leet speak', WITH!!! EXCLAMATION!!! MARKS!!! AFTER!!! EVERY!!! OTHER!!! WORD!!! invariably have a low IQ, or are in fact nine years old. Perhaps this is why you fail to grasp the rather obvious notion that these are in fact amazingly high quality games? >>>>>My PS2 game collection includes: >>>>> [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >this is why you fail to grasp the rather obvious notion that these are in >fact amazingly high quality games? God of War is good, but got far too repetitive for my liking. it was good but not THAT good. Signaturegamertag: Chrisflynnuk http://live.xbox.com/member/Chrisflynnuk >>>>>>My PS2 game collection includes: >>>>>> [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > God of War is good, but got far too repetitive for my liking. it was > good but not THAT good. TBH, I've only played some of my mate's copy...but enough to know I love it. I've got it on the way now actually, from eBay - I reckon it'll be here tomorrow as it happens. You can tell it's a quality game, the production values are seriously good - I also love ancient mythology, so I have a big bias there. One of the best looking games I've seen on ANY system too, and could easily be mistaken for an Xbox title...at least. I can't say about repetitiveness, as I haven't played it all...although I've played a fair bit. I have a save on a memory card I take to my friends, but there are large gaps between sessions, so frustratingly can't get into it like I want to. It's the only game I can't seem to borrow off my friend, as he's always playing himself.....and he has poor attention span....so my guess is it must be that good, as he and I have similar taste. :) >>>>>>>My PS2 game collection includes: >>>>>>> [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] >playing himself.....and he has poor attention span....so my guess is it must >be that good, as he and I have similar taste. :) oh its definitely good, what there is. but i have to admit, i preferred PoP: SoT to GoW, GoW is very polished, and well put together, but it has its fair share of faults (as all games do) and it just didn't strike me as anything extra-special. Signaturegamertag: Chrisflynnuk http://live.xbox.com/member/Chrisflynnuk > I would like to start staying a good few steps behind like this every > generation, in the interests of saving money. Although I'll probably buy a > release day Revolution. :) Waiting certainly leaves you with a much healthier catalogue of games to choose from. It looks like the PS3 will be following 360s footsetps by having a fair few PS2 titles with upscaled graphics, not my idea of a next gen. That said, I'm loathe to believe a single word I hear from ANY source about the PS3, there's enough bullshit and stupid speculation from the media to float a battleship. Obviously they've decided to give Kutaragi a run for his money. SignatureI Amuse (I am Hughes.) Instead of a sig, here is a magic eye picture. Stare at these dots until they merge into one. . . Great, now piss off you boss-eyed twat! >> I would like to start staying a good few steps behind like this every >> generation, in the interests of saving money. Although I'll probably buy a [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >to float a battleship. Obviously they've decided to give Kutaragi a run >for his money. i have to ask, but what else were you expecting from the 360 and PS3 other than improved graphics? Signaturegamertag: Chrisflynnuk http://live.xbox.com/member/Chrisflynnuk >>> I would like to start staying a good few steps behind like this every >>> generation, in the interests of saving money. Although I'll probably buy [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > i have to ask, but what else were you expecting from the 360 and PS3 > other than improved graphics? He's referring to games that started their development life as PS2 and Xbox games, coming out on PS3 and X360, at least I think that's what he means. Hence their being not *true* next gen games at all. Mind you, Ico was supposed to be a PSone game, and is the best game out for the PS2 - so not always that bad a thing... but I see his point. >>>>I would like to start staying a good few steps behind like this every >>>>generation, in the interests of saving money. Although I'll probably buy [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > games, coming out on PS3 and X360, at least I think that's what he means. > Hence their being not *true* next gen games at all. I have no problem with that, as SSX started life as a PS 1 game and turned into something the PS 1 could never have run. What I am hearing is of not just cross-platform releases, but cross-GENERATIONAL releases. A game that can run on a PS2, like Final Fantast XI (a two year old PS2 game) Gun, Need for Speed Most Wanted, King Kong etc. is not my idea of next gen. And that these games cost more on the new systems adds insult to injury. Even ignoring this apparent new trend to pad out line-ups with air-brushed current gen games I haven't seen anything on the horizon for 360 or PS3 that impresses me as a leap forward the way the last generation did. But I guess that's another discussion. SignatureI Amuse (I am Hughes.) Instead of a sig, here is a magic eye picture. Stare at these dots until they merge into one. . . Great, now piss off you boss-eyed twat! >>>>>I would like to start staying a good few steps behind like this every >>>>>generation, in the interests of saving money. Although I'll probably [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > that impresses me as a leap forward the way the last generation did. But I > guess that's another discussion. I don't agree then. I have King Kong on Gamecube, and I like the idea that *If* I was an X360 owner, I could buy it for that too. It looks significantly better on that platform, not true next gen maybe...but very much nicer looking. Also, I greeted the news of a possible SOCOM 4 and God Of War 2 for both PS3 and PS2 - I think that's a good thing, to be honest with you. The true next gen games are coming, that is not in doubt, so what problems can these few titles cause? >>>>>>I would like to start staying a good few steps behind like this every >>>>>>generation, in the interests of saving money. Although I'll probably [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > I don't agree then. I have King Kong on Gamecube, and I like the idea that > *If* I was an X360 owner, There's the important part. > I could buy it for that too. It looks > significantly better on that platform, not true next gen maybe...but very > much nicer looking It would have to look like Keira Knightley covered in whipped cream with a big sign reading "This woman needs 7 hours of red-hot man-love and you're the only guy in the room' for me to spend not only an extra tenner on it but an extra few hundred quid for a system to play it on. > Also, I greeted the news of a possible SOCOM 4 and God > Of War 2 for both PS3 and PS2 - I think that's a good thing, to be honest > with you. The true next gen games are coming, that is not in doubt, so what > problems can these few titles cause? No problems, just a reason to wait until the games match up to the power of the hardware. Having 20 launch titles where over half are available cheaper on already existing hardware just adds to the feeling of "Pffft" this new generation elicits from my excitement gland. SignatureI Amuse (I am Hughes.) Instead of a sig, here is a magic eye picture. Stare at these dots until they merge into one. . . Great, now piss off you boss-eyed twat! >>>>> I would like to start staying a good few steps behind like this every >>>>> generation, in the interests of saving money. Although I'll probably buy a [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > for 360 or PS3 that impresses me as a leap forward the way the last > generation did. But I guess that's another discussion. You seen Gears Of War? SignatureZo GamerTag: Zomoniac (COD2, PDZ, PGR3, Kameo, RR6) Last game completed: The Rub Rabbits (DS) - 26/02/2006 Playing: Advance Wars (GBA) / Listening: Arctic Monkeys - WPSIA, TWIN >>>>>> I would like to start staying a good few steps behind like this every >>>>>> generation, in the interests of saving money. Although I'll [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > > You seen Gears Of War? I shall have a look now. SignatureI Amuse (I am Hughes.) Instead of a sig, here is a magic eye picture. Stare at these dots until they merge into one. . . Great, now piss off you boss-eyed twat! >>>>>> I would like to start staying a good few steps behind like this every >>>>>> generation, in the interests of saving money. Although I'll [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > > You seen Gears Of War? I can't find anything more recent than September last year updates wise. Any more recent info? The screens look about what I would hope for, but the E3 movies don't blow my socks off. SignatureI Amuse (I am Hughes.) Instead of a sig, here is a magic eye picture. Stare at these dots until they merge into one. . . Great, now piss off you boss-eyed twat! >>>>>>> I would like to start staying a good few steps behind like this every >>>>>>> generation, in the interests of saving money. Although I'll probably buy a [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > wise. Any more recent info? The screens look about what I would hope > for, but the E3 movies don't blow my socks off. http://media.xbox360.ign.com/media/747/747891/vids_1.html First video, HD 1280x720 version. The whole thing's real-time. I'm yet to see anything to come close to it. If that's not a generation above Xbox I don't know what is. SignatureZo GamerTag: Zomoniac (COD2, PDZ, PGR3, Kameo, RR6) Last game completed: The Rub Rabbits (DS) - 26/02/2006 Playing: Advance Wars (GBA) / Listening: Arctic Monkeys - WPSIA, TWIN >>> You seen Gears Of War? >> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > to see anything to come close to it. If that's not a generation above > Xbox I don't know what is. Ahh, I did look at that, but as I'd seen some gameplay footage at gamespot which didn't look as good as that, and the fact that camera movements didn't look like anyone was actually playing apart from the last couple of snippets, and narrative stuff was going on I assumed it was mainly cut-scene. If it's real-time it's great. But until I see a release date it's hard for me to tremble with anticipation. Maybe I'll just tremble from the cold instead. Why has my central heating gone off?? SignatureI Amuse (I am Hughes.) Instead of a sig, here is a magic eye picture. Stare at these dots until they merge into one. . . Great, now piss off you boss-eyed twat! >>>>>> I would like to start staying a good few steps behind like this every >>>>>> generation, in the interests of saving money. Although I'll probably [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] >> 360 or PS3 that impresses me as a leap forward the way the last >> generation did. But I guess that's another discussion. MGS4 looks like a total revolution of the series to me, and is one game I'm personally salivating over... and its very existence ensures that I buy the machine needed to play it. However, X360 has nothing to make me even *think* of parting with any cash, not now, and not on the horizon. If the video was anything to go by, MGS4 will be something far and away better than what the previous generation gave us, it will simply be uber-doggy-bollocks. I also trust GT5 is in development, and I don't even need to see that to know it will look, and play, damn fine. I'm sold on PS3 already. Same for Revolution. :) >>>>>>> I would like to start staying a good few steps behind like this every >>>>>>> generation, in the interests of saving money. Although I'll probably [quoted text clipped - 46 lines] >need to see that to know it will look, and play, damn fine. I'm sold on PS3 >already. Same for Revolution. :) MGS4 has shown no gameplay footage, just some FMV. it'll take more than that to convince me to buy a game. and as for GT5....i mean come on, its the most boring and anally retentive driving game series on the market. it has sh.t AI (and thats being generous) and is far more concerned with looking pretty than playing well. its the F1 of games, fast cars, nice to look at, but inherently dull and soul destroying. how anyone can be sold on something which hasnt even shown any true in-game gameplay footage of anything yet is beyond me. and you say you're not a sony fanboy? :) Signaturegamertag: Chrisflynnuk http://live.xbox.com/member/Chrisflynnuk >>>>>>>> I would like to start staying a good few steps behind like this >>>>>>>> every [quoted text clipped - 73 lines] > > and you say you're not a sony fanboy? :) Pre-rendered video was all I first saw of MGS and MGS2...and MGS3....and in each case, it was enough to know I'd love the games/end product.....which I ultimately did. With that track record, I have little reason to doubt Konami will do the same again, but probably do it better. Of course you can be sold on games you haven't seen, when the makers of the games are Konami and Polyphony Digital......who for my money have never made a bad game yet. It's their illustrious history that has sold me, and is no different from Nintendo in that respect....What game sold you on the Xbox 360 that you bought at release or close to release? Or was it the lure of Halo 3 and things to come? (Surely, it must be...seeing as though it released with not much other than the promise of things to come). Also, are you not sold on Revolution? Despite what you answer to that now, I rather think you are! :) Sony fan-boy? Well that'd be some party trick - seeing as though Nintendo is my favourite maker of consoles and games, the one company I wish total success to, and the *only* company I will *ever* admit to being a 'fan-boy' of. As you know though, they don't have much to sing about at the moment, seeing as though there is only one game I have to look forward to for Gamecube, and with my not being a hand-held gamer of any note. With Sony and the PSX brand.....it's not them or their machines I'm a fan of, I can categorically tell you, but rather the games that they rather cleverly secure as their exclusives. Now a MGS fan-boy, DEFINITELY, a big fan of Gran Turismo.....yes, a fan of their Ico team....why not? But a fan-boy of Sony themselves...no way! They make poor quality consoles (in life-span and quality control terms, but great in all other areas), give home to some of the worst games possible, and make me have to dig through piles of horse puckey in the bargain bins to find the good games I'm looking for. So no, I am no Sony fan-boy. Not at all. In fact, as may know, I purposefully boycotted them for nearly three years - how many Sony fan-boys do you know that would do that? Thank you! :) >>>Even ignoring this apparent new trend to pad out line-ups with >>>air-brushed current gen games I haven't seen anything on the horizon for [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > machine needed to play it. However, X360 has nothing to make me even *think* > of parting with any cash, not now, and not on the horizon. I'll probably end up getting a lean, mean, gri... gaming machine when MGS 4 eventually comes out, but the actual video doesn't blow me away. Sure it looks very good indeed, but it doesn't look anything like the graphical leap that MGS: SoL was over MGS on the PS1. I'll leave any observations about Solid Snake, the Werthers Original Years, aside as I'm sure it will be a great experience to play. I'm simply un-wowed by anything I've seen in the works for this new generation of machines. > If the video was anything to go by, MGS4 will be something far and away > better than what the previous generation gave us, it will simply be > uber-doggy-bollocks. I also trust GT5 is in development, and I don't even > need to see that to know it will look, and play, damn fine. I'm sold on PS3 > already. Same for Revolution. :) Nintendo seem to be playing it smart again, in suggesting that the Revolution won't attempt to compete with the other 2 machines and it will be less powerful. I seem to recall they said the exact same thing about the GC until it was launched. They're winning a lot of respect points from me by their opting out of the bullshit/pissing contest Kutaragi, Moore and Ballmer were playing up until recently. Maybe I'm just getting cynical in my advancing years. Snake! Pass the sweetie tin. Now I'M the Grandad! Bugger! Where's me teeth? SignatureI Amuse (I am Hughes.) Instead of a sig, here is a magic eye picture. Stare at these dots until they merge into one. . . Great, now piss off you boss-eyed twat! > I'll probably end up getting a lean, mean, gri... gaming machine when MGS > 4 eventually comes out, but the actual video doesn't blow me away. Sure it > looks very good indeed, but it doesn't look anything like the graphical > leap that MGS: SoL was over MGS on the PS1. Sorry, but that's simply where we are now in home console-gaming. The generations are becoming indistinguishable, and you simply cannot level that at any one machine, game or whatnot over the next. I don't see the leap X360 has over Xbox, in the main, maybe on PGR3......just like you will when you get to see real Polyphony Digital in-game footage of the next GT game - as the respectable developers in these two cases are the very companies who *do* make their games stand out in a crowd. It's the same for all new hardware though. Reasons being...well, for one you get to a certain point, getting closer and closer to photo realism in games, where the difference starts to get less and less noticeable. Keep going back, and the differences between generations of hardware are a lot more pronounced. 8-16 'bit', 16 bit to 32/64 bit.....they were the last great pick your jaw up off the floor when you see the new game/console moments we will ever have. Also, early games...or even footage of possible games can't be relied on to judge what a machine can do. Believe me, both PS3 *and* X360 will have you gobsmacked in a few years...just don't go expecting another Super Mario 64 moment, as that will simply never happen again. It's not the fault of any one machine or game though, it's just the way it is now. Looking in Gamestation last weekend, I'm not sure of the Xbox/360 game they were showcasing on a monitor, but I left not knowing if it actually *was* on a X360 or an Xbox.....it was only in passing, but even still - if that would have been a case of deciding if it was a PS1 or PS2 game...I'd have been able to tell at a single glance. So my point is that neither MGS4 or indeed PS3 can be singled out here. It's clearly a sign of the times. What I'll be interested to see, in years to come, is if people will continue to relish replacing their gaming systems.....seeing as though the difference will get less and less from here on in. I mean, I hope to have a good bit of life left in old PS2 yet.....as I'm still very happy with what it can do, and I like the games it has very much. I also can't wait for Zelda TP on Gamecube and rarely even think of Revolution.....now If it was a difference like that of SNES to N64 I was expecting in the next gens, I would be in the queue for Rev/PS3 already. I envisage next time round again, I'll be even less bothered. PS3 to PS4.....what difference? Unless by then they're promising to plug me into a Matrix style gaming world of course (no doubt Ken will be promising just that, LOL), then I doubt I'll be relishing splashing on another new sytem. ;) >> If the video was anything to go by, MGS4 will be something far and away >> better than what the previous generation gave us, it will simply be [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Bugger! Where's me teeth? LOL. I'm sure Snake's in for a whole lot more piss taking as regards his age in GOTP. Still, that's one cool ol' boy they got there, and he's still the [gran]daddy as far as I'm concerned. :) Yes, I would like to think that Nintendo pulled out a machine greater than anyone was expecting in this very 'anti-hype' fashion you elude to. It's a very romantic notion and would be wonderful if it was the case. I certainly hope you're right. As long as it's still a good bit cheaper than the other two, that is. I won't be pissed off if they don't though, even twice the power of Gamecube and no HD support would be great for me - the Gamecube blows me away as it is. RE4 is one of the most amazing looking games on *any* system, for me, and I have a high gaming spec PC to compare it to. So I won't be heartbroken if not. I agree with you that they are right for not taking part in this ongoing pissing contest. They have a hardcore fan-base, myself included, that will buy their systems come rain or shine.....they know that, and have little to race towards. Seeing if they can bring in other fans or non-gamers seems to be on their agenda though. >Looking in Gamestation last weekend, I'm not sure of the Xbox/360 game they >were showcasing on a monitor, but I left not knowing if it actually *was* on >a X360 or an Xbox.....it was only in passing, but even still - if that would >have been a case of deciding if it was a PS1 or PS2 game...I'd have been >able to tell at a single glance. So my point is that neither MGS4 or indeed >PS3 can be singled out here. It's clearly a sign of the times. sorry, but if you look at the PS2 launch titles, very few were significantly graphically superior to the latter generation of PSOne titles. a few of the 360 titles available at the minute don't look significantly different to original xbox titles, but then the same has been true of just about every "next gen" hardware launch. you can't tell me that the first time you saw smugglers run on a PS2 you went "wow" ;) Signaturegamertag: Chrisflynnuk http://live.xbox.com/member/Chrisflynnuk >>Looking in Gamestation last weekend, I'm not sure of the Xbox/360 game >>they [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > significantly different to original xbox titles, but then the same has > been true of just about every "next gen" hardware launch. Yes, I believe you've just reaffirmed my very point. > you can't tell me that the first time you saw smugglers run on a PS2 > you went "wow" ;) No, but Z.O.T.E floored me. Can't cast my mind back that far as to if it was a launch game exactly, but it was close IIRC. My point, which I still stand by, is that I can tell if any game is PSone or PStwo from a mere glance, which I can. And that the difference will get less and less from now on, with each subsequent generation, and is very much less this time around. Smugglers Run did look crap, yes, but it looked early PS2 crap - and totally distinguishable from a PSone racer/driving/car game....even at a subliminal glance. For me anyway. >>Looking in Gamestation last weekend, I'm not sure of the Xbox/360 game they >>were showcasing on a monitor, but I left not knowing if it actually *was* on [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > significantly graphically superior to the latter generation of PSOne > titles. Unless you have serious eye defects SSX, Ridge 5, Tekken Tag, Dynasty Warriors 2, Kessen and Timesplitters were all immediately vastly superior to anything the PS 1 could have done. > a few of the 360 titles available at the minute don't look > significantly different to original xbox titles, but then the same has > been true of just about every "next gen" hardware launch. Not really, no. The differences between the 2D 16bit and 3D 32/64bit era were eye-popping. They were slightly less pronounced for the next generation, but the launch titles of the DC over Saturn, the PS2 over the PS1 and the GC over the N64 were quite clearly of a much higher order. Now, if I were wanting to wow friends and family with next gen updates of the current titles I'd most likely expect a rousing chorus of "I thought you had this game already?" SignatureI Amuse (I am Hughes.) Instead of a sig, here is a magic eye picture. Stare at these dots until they merge into one. . . Great, now piss off you boss-eyed twat! >>> Looking in Gamestation last weekend, I'm not sure of the Xbox/360 game >>> they were showcasing on a monitor, but I left not knowing if it [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > of the current titles I'd most likely expect a rousing chorus of "I > thought you had this game already?" But again this is all bullshit from people who haven't played it properly. Take a HDTV, run PGR2 on it, then run PGR3 on in-car view on it. The difference there is absolutely huge, and anyone who can't see it clearly has no eyes. Kameo in HD is worlds ahead of anything on current-gen systems, as is Fight Night 3. SignatureZo GamerTag: Zomoniac (COD2, PDZ, PGR3, Kameo, RR6) FS: SMB: T&R (DS), Rub Rabbits (DS), RE:DS (DS), MK:DS (DS), VT:WT (PSP) Apply within > On 2006-03-07 13:38:38 +0000, "Hughes." <fullstop@the.end> said > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > clearly has no eyes. Kameo in HD is worlds ahead of anything on > current-gen systems, as is Fight Night 3. I'm sure in that situation I would agree. And when HD TVs are a lot more common that will really matter to the gaming public at large. I don't have an HD TV, nor know anyone in RL who does, and I didn't need one to notice the big improvements of the last generation. I have no doubt your happy with your 360 and it is well worth it for you, and I'm not trying to detract from your enjoyment of it. I have no doubt PGR3 looks fantastic, it's a hallmark of the series. But for me the expense of a new console, and apparently the expense of a new expensive TV before I see the benefit of it, doesn't add up to my idea of a good investment right now. SignatureI Amuse (I am Hughes.) Instead of a sig, here is a magic eye picture. Stare at these dots until they merge into one. . . Great, now piss off you boss-eyed twat! >> On 2006-03-07 13:38:38 +0000, "Hughes." <fullstop@the.end> said >> [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] >expensive TV before I see the benefit of it, doesn't add up to my idea >of a good investment right now. yes, but there's a limit that the tech can reach in terms of graphical detail without that added leap in resolution. Signaturegamertag: Chrisflynnuk http://live.xbox.com/member/Chrisflynnuk >>> On 2006-03-07 13:38:38 +0000, "Hughes." <fullstop@the.end> said >>> [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > yes, but there's a limit that the tech can reach in terms of graphical > detail without that added leap in resolution. I think he's right to wait though. Both HD TV and console prices can only get lower. I'm sure it looks dandy, but unless the games are extra special, it aint worth it all...yet. >>>> On 2006-03-07 13:38:38 +0000, "Hughes." <fullstop@the.end> said >>>> [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > only get lower. I'm sure it looks dandy, but unless the games are extra > special, it aint worth it all...yet. Depends on your taste in games I guess. Of the people I know with them, I'd say over 80% haven't ever complained about having nothing to play, and why should they? The line-up is great. SignatureZo GamerTag: Zomoniac (COD2, PDZ, PGR3, Kameo, RR6) FS: SMB: T&R (DS), Rub Rabbits (DS), RE:DS (DS), MK:DS (DS), VT:WT (PSP) Apply within >>>On 2006-03-07 13:38:38 +0000, "Hughes." <fullstop@the.end> said >>> [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > yes, but there's a limit that the tech can reach in terms of graphical > detail without that added leap in resolution. That's true, but I can still see CG work in films that urinates all over what consoles can do, and the difference is clearly visible, even without the benefit of an HD TV to watch them on. I'm probably being very unreasonable in the sorts of improvements I'd like to see before buying a new machine, but while my first instinct upon seeing the Killzone 2 demo and that dirt racing game movie was the same as everyone else's, "No way is that realtime", my second instinct was to think that if a similar leap to last time were to happen, it OUGHT to be realtime. I'm sure it will come in time. Until then, my cash stays in my wallet. SignatureI Amuse (I am Hughes.) Instead of a sig, here is a magic eye picture. Stare at these dots until they merge into one. . . Great, now piss off you boss-eyed twat! >>>>On 2006-03-07 13:38:38 +0000, "Hughes." <fullstop@the.end> said >>>> [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] >what consoles can do, and the difference is clearly visible, even >without the benefit of an HD TV to watch them on. yes, but the major difference there is that CGI films are rendered frame by frame and can take hours just to do a few frames. i wouldn't fancy playing games at that frame rate, would you? >I'm probably being very unreasonable in the sorts of improvements I'd >like to see before buying a new machine, but while my first instinct [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >I'm sure it will come in time. Until then, my cash stays in my wallet. you wont be buying any new gaming hardware for a long, long time then if you expect to see CGI levels of realism rendered on the fly. Signaturegamertag: Chrisflynnuk http://live.xbox.com/member/Chrisflynnuk >>>>>On 2006-03-07 13:38:38 +0000, "Hughes." <fullstop@the.end> said >>>>> [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > frame by frame and can take hours just to do a few frames. i wouldn't > fancy playing games at that frame rate, would you? I've got a few like that already. SignatureI Amuse (I am Hughes.) Instead of a sig, here is a magic eye picture. Stare at these dots until they merge into one. . . Great, now piss off you boss-eyed twat! >>>>> On 2006-03-07 13:38:38 +0000, "Hughes." <fullstop@the.end> said >>>>> [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > frame by frame and can take hours just to do a few frames. i wouldn't > fancy playing games at that frame rate, would you? But don't you remember? Sony said at E3 2005 that we could expect PS3 to produce CGI quality on the fly because it has shaders :) SignatureZo GamerTag: Zomoniac (COD2, PDZ, PGR3, Kameo, RR6) FS: SMB: T&R (DS), Rub Rabbits (DS), RE:DS (DS), MK:DS (DS), VT:WT (PSP) Apply within >> But don't you remember? Sony said at E3 2005 that we could expect PS3 > to produce CGI quality on the fly because it has shaders :) Yep...and I'm still waiting for my Toy Story style graphics from my PS2.....that Ken's a lying S.O.A.B! :@ I've got my sack of salt waiting for the next hype/propaganda campaign of theirs, don't worry. They're all as bad as each other though...except Nintendo, who say it will be crap and then laugh when they see us notice it's not crap. I have a sneaky suspicion Revolution will be a more capable machine than many are expecting, I certainly hope so anyway. :) >>> But don't you remember? Sony said at E3 2005 that we could expect PS3 >> to produce CGI quality on the fly because it has shaders :) [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >it's not crap. I have a sneaky suspicion Revolution will be a more capable >machine than many are expecting, I certainly hope so anyway. :) i think nintendo proved with the DS that it doesnt have to be about graphics, but about the games, and new and different ways of playing them. whether or not they can pull this off in the home console market remains to be seen, but at least theyre having a good go of it. oh and if the revolution does take off, expect to see MS and sony bring out their own copi...er, versions of the remote/wand thingy. Signaturegamertag: Chrisflynnuk http://live.xbox.com/member/Chrisflynnuk >>>> But don't you remember? Sony said at E3 2005 that we could expect PS3 >>> to produce CGI quality on the fly because it has shaders :) [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > oh and if the revolution does take off, expect to see MS and sony > bring out their own copi...er, versions of the remote/wand thingy. Yeah, but at least they're used to being copied now. Now bad thing in my book though, just like Sony are about to copy M$'s Live service.....if an idea is good, go for it. Nintendo are the industry's innovators though, yes. Yes, DS I believe has great games...much better than PSP by all accounts (don't really dig mobile/hand-held gaming so can't say from experience other than having a go of other folk's). Also, I know Revolution will be great whatever graphics it has, within reason that is (like it has to be at least doubling that of Cube's performance to make it worth while), but they do seem to under-hype their machines, which is great - we aren't then disappointed like we are when we found out that Ken is, and whoever M$'s spin doctor is, a lying sack of sh.t (or at least a bit of a 'romancer' when it comes to numbers, spec sheets and expected performance:). > you wont be buying any new gaming hardware for a long, long time then > if you expect to see CGI levels of realism rendered on the fly. I agree. We are years off yet. Even still, when I look at gen 1 PS2 games and what we have now on it, I just can't help but think what the 3 new consoles will be doing at the end of their lives or therabouts - they will be producing stunningly beautiful graphics. Already the X360 is doing really nice stuff with textures and lighting.....when they start to push it in terms of atmosphere effects, it will be pretty damn nice I should think. I remember first seeing the MGS2 rain/wind and humidity effects (on the deck of the tanker and on the bridge), I had saw nothing like it before....totally gobsmacked. It's always a slow progression and it is really exciting to see it all come together in terms of using the architecture of new consoles to their full effects. Yes, maybe we won't see CGI like stuff rendered on the fly, but we will see some amazing sh.t...that much I know. And looking to the future, it will be 'Advent Children' style graphics and they *will* be rendered on the fly. PSX5-6 generation (and whatever Xbox/Nintendo machine we will have by then). :) >> you wont be buying any new gaming hardware for a long, long time then >> if you expect to see CGI levels of realism rendered on the fly. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > be producing stunningly beautiful graphics. Already the X360 is doing really > nice stuff with textures and lighting..... Yup, but it won't be anything near "CGI levels of realism." There are some (ok, many) techniques that are simply too expensive to use in real-time, even with modern hardware. Even typical movie CGI does tons of cheating in the interests of speed. [There is a lot of research into "physically accurate rendering", and they're amazingly anal, down to building scenes in real life, taking a picture, and making sure the pixels match rendered images _exactly_!] -Miles SignatureFast, small, soon; pick any 2. > I'm probably being very unreasonable in the sorts of improvements I'd like > to see before buying a new machine, but while my first instinct upon [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > I'm sure it will come in time. Until then, my cash stays in my wallet. Same here, maybe....I say maybe as when a game comes out I *really* want, I will get the console I need to play it on...despite where they are in terms of pushing the graphical capabilities. Say, for instance MGS4 came out 4-6 months into the PS3's life....it's mine. I trust Konami will make the game amazing, even if they haven't yet got to grips with what it can do graphically, yet. In saying that though, I believe I do have it in my to stay a generation behind with one of the consoles. Say...buy PS3 when PS4 comes out, and so on (but get Revolution ASAP). Imagine what you could save? I've only just got my PS2, so the games I get on eBay average about £4...unless they're mint/rare/good games which are more expensive (like I just paid £23 for a collectable condition 'black' release of FFX with bonus DVD, as I hate platinum game packs). I'm saving tons of cash. It would take serious willpower, as I know when certain games come around, I'm going to struggle. In fact, I subconsciously hope Sony piss me off again like last time, then I can boycott them again for a few years! LOL. ;) >>>> Looking in Gamestation last weekend, I'm not sure of the Xbox/360 game >>>> they were showcasing on a monitor, but I left not knowing if it [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > has no eyes. Kameo in HD is worlds ahead of anything on current-gen > systems, as is Fight Night 3. I've played PGR3 on a HD display in Gamestation though - it looked nice, yes, more photo realistic in fact - just not the same leap as the leap to 3D in the 32/64bit era. That will be the same for the PS3 though - as I say, it's a sign of the times, and I'm not singling out X360 in this. Also, I found PGR3 to be the same old game. I was distinctly unimpressed....and gladly handed the controller to the little mall-rat who was giving me the evils. Now, when they were showcasing Mario 64.......I had to be prised off the controller with a large crowbar. ;) >>I'll probably end up getting a lean, mean, gri... gaming machine when MGS >>4 eventually comes out, but the actual video doesn't blow me away. Sure it >>looks very good indeed, but it doesn't look anything like the graphical >>leap that MGS: SoL was over MGS on the PS1. <snip> The argument that there is only so good a game can look over and above what we have seen already doesn't really hold up after the amount of column inches the Killzone 2 footage generated about it's do-ability as a real time playing experience. That the footage was pre-rendered is now a matter of record. That people can see potential game footage and find it genuinely incredible that a game could look that good is demonstration enough that games can still look significantly better than they do at the moment. There is plenty of wow factor left to be achieved, and I'm not seeing it yet. > Looking in Gamestation last weekend, I'm not sure of the Xbox/360 game they > were showcasing on a monitor, but I left not knowing if it actually *was* on > a X360 or an Xbox.....it was only in passing, but even still - if that would > have been a case of deciding if it was a PS1 or PS2 game...I'd have been > able to tell at a single glance. So my point is that neither MGS4 or indeed > PS3 can be singled out here. It's clearly a sign of the times. To me it's a sign that I have no need to replace the hardware I have for some time yet. I've never disputed that games won't get more impressive through the lifespan of the machines, and that's when I'll consider buying in to them, but after 6 years of the outgoing generation the improvements should be a lot more evident than they are if cynical folk like me are to be persuaded to fork out for new hardware. > What I'll be interested to see, in years to come, is if people will continue > to relish replacing their gaming systems.....seeing as though the difference > will get less and less from here on in. Indeed. >>>If the video was anything to go by, MGS4 will be something far and away >>>better than what the previous generation gave us, it will simply be >>>uber-doggy-bollocks. I also trust GT5 is in development, and I don't even >>>need to see that to know it will look, and play, damn fine. I'm sold on >>>PS3 already. Same for Revolution. :) No doubt GT and old Snakey will win me over when they arrive, though I doubt they will be launch titles. > They have a hardcore fan-base, > myself included, that will buy their systems come rain or shine.....they > know that, and have little to race towards. Seeing if they can bring in > other fans or non-gamers seems to be on their agenda though. They seem to have managed with the huge success of the DS, certainly guarantees they won't be going the way of Sega anytime soon. SignatureI Amuse (I am Hughes.) Instead of a sig, here is a magic eye picture. Stare at these dots until they merge into one. . . Great, now piss off you boss-eyed twat! >>>>>I would like to start staying a good few steps behind like this every >>>>>generation, in the interests of saving money. Although I'll probably [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > that impresses me as a leap forward the way the last generation did. But I > guess that's another discussion. The problem is that games that started as an XBOX or PS2 title were coded to take advanatage of that specific hardware. Then it was just modified to work on the newer boxes. These so-called "next generation" consoles have multiple processing cores that won't be tapped for some time. There is so much potential there, and seems like they should have taken full advantage of it at least in one title to really showcase the console's ability. Have stunning graphics, realistic physics, and human-like AI. Then you'll see me buying a console. >>> I would like to start staying a good few steps behind like this every >>> generation, in the interests of saving money. Although I'll probably [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > i have to ask, but what else were you expecting from the 360 and PS3 > other than improved graphics? Streaming video and audio, anytime in-game streamed music selection, better sound and great online features. And we got them :) SignatureZo GamerTag: Zomoniac (COD2, PDZ, PGR3, Kameo, RR6) Last game completed: The Rub Rabbits (DS) - 26/02/2006 Playing: Advance Wars (GBA) / Listening: Arctic Monkeys - WPSIA, TWIN >>>I would like to start staying a good few steps behind like this every >>>generation, in the interests of saving money. Although I'll probably buy a [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > i have to ask, but what else were you expecting from the 360 and PS3 > other than improved graphics? Maybe some actual new games, as opposed to almost identical ones you can already buy for a tenner less for a console you already own, without having to shell out 2-300 quid for a new system? SignatureI Amuse (I am Hughes.) Instead of a sig, here is a magic eye picture. Stare at these dots until they merge into one. . . Great, now piss off you boss-eyed twat! >>>>I would like to start staying a good few steps behind like this every >>>>generation, in the interests of saving money. Although I'll probably buy a [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] >already buy for a tenner less for a console you already own, without >having to shell out 2-300 quid for a new system? at least the 360 got some actually good games for its release, which the ps2 didnt really have when it came out. the almost identical ones were to be expected really. you expected EA to develop something original? when was the last time they did that? ;) Signaturegamertag: Chrisflynnuk http://live.xbox.com/member/Chrisflynnuk >>>>>I would like to start staying a good few steps behind like this every >>>>>generation, in the interests of saving money. Although I'll probably buy a [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > at least the 360 got some actually good games for its release, which > the ps2 didnt really have when it came out. TBH, I'd put them about even, as I liked plenty of the PS2 launch titles, where 360 has succeeded is in keeping the games coming, where the PS2 suffered a serious post launch drought. With the addition of Live Arcade 360 owners are unlikely to suffer the same fate at any point. Which Sony would do well to take note of. > the almost identical ones were to be expected really. you expected EA > to develop something original? > > when was the last time they did that? ;) Everyone knows each new edition of FIFA is a brand new game! No, really! SignatureI Amuse (I am Hughes.) Instead of a sig, here is a magic eye picture. Stare at these dots until they merge into one. . . Great, now piss off you boss-eyed twat! > Everyone knows each new edition of FIFA is a brand new game! No, really! Aww c'mon, be fair. You *know* it's a whole new game when the year on the box is different, silly! You know, Fifa 2005...Fifa 2006? ;) Snigger. >>Everyone knows each new edition of FIFA is a brand new game! No, really! > > Aww c'mon, be fair. You *know* it's a whole new game when the year on the > box is different, silly! You know, Fifa 2005...Fifa 2006? > > ;) Snigger. Well, to make 5 into a 6 takes a bit more ink. Here EA, have another 30 quid! SignatureI Amuse (I am Hughes.) Instead of a sig, here is a magic eye picture. Stare at these dots until they merge into one. . . Great, now piss off you boss-eyed twat! >>> I own a current gen XBOX and decided to spend money on a PS2 instead of >>> X360. I was recently able to buy a new slim PS2 along with 10 games and [quoted text clipped - 50 lines] > modded my xbox so I can now play classic MAME games. So it was worth the > $150 for me, but there's not much new that attracts me. Nice to see Ace Combat in there - excellent games. I liked the idea of flying games, but the ones I tried on the PC were too 'geeky', and do not have enough fun factor for my liking. Ace Combat was the answer to my prayers. Although I've yet to play the last one released here.....what's it like? Apparently, a good few people have been offered 24, the game, for a sweetener if you've had to wait for your network access disc and PIN a bit too long - according to a forum I read. I'm going to try and get a copy off them too. >> I own a current gen XBOX and decided to spend money on a PS2 instead of >> X360. I was recently able to buy a new slim PS2 along with 10 games and [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > simply not my bag - give me Metroid over Halo, and GT4 over PGR, any > day of the week. Xbox 360 needs more people to play it, because for once, it's not the games. There is no doubt in my mind whatsoever that in four years I will prefer my 360 to my PS3, just because the new Live system and Live Arcade are so mindblowingly brilliant. But people can't see that without first-hand experience, the not great screenshots of PDZ and FIFA aren't going to convince people. Live could, if people knew. SignatureZo GamerTag: Zomoniac (COD2, PDZ, PGR3, Kameo, RR6) Last game completed: The Rub Rabbits (DS) - 26/02/2006 Playing: Advance Wars (GBA) / Listening: Arctic Monkeys - WPSIA, TWIN >>> I own a current gen XBOX and decided to spend money on a PS2 instead of >>> X360. I was recently able to buy a new slim PS2 along with 10 games and [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > first-hand experience, the not great screenshots of PDZ and FIFA aren't > going to convince people. Live could, if people knew. I've sampled PGR 3 on a hi-def telly in a local games shop - after five minutes or so I was like; "yeah, looks nice.....same old, same old though". That's just one game, I admit, but there's nothing really to tempt me to be honest. It's just a personal preference thing. I had Xbox, just for PGR and Halo... because everyone raved about them .I found they both bored the crap out of me. Whereas Metroid on Gamecube.....or GT4 on PS2, I could play all day long. I see Xbox 360 as the Xbox with better graphics.....which is fine if you liked Xbox. Horses for courses, as they say. But when GT5, MGS4, 'Ico 3' (for want of a better name) all hit town.....I can't see any gamer not lusting after that little lot. I see that as the X360's main problem. Yeah, it has Halo.....but...... :\ >>>> I own a current gen XBOX and decided to spend money on a PS2 instead of >>>> X360. I was recently able to buy a new slim PS2 along with 10 games and [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > town.....I can't see any gamer not lusting after that little lot. I see > that as the X360's main problem. Yeah, it has Halo.....but...... :\ Exactly. Because you're only getting half the experience, you don't know what 360 is about, because until you've had one wired up to Live, you have no idea just how wonderful this thing is. SignatureZo GamerTag: Zomoniac (COD2, PDZ, PGR3, Kameo, RR6) FS: SMB: T&R (DS), Rub Rabbits (DS), RE:DS (DS), MK:DS (DS), VT:WT (PSP) Apply within > Exactly. Because you're only getting half the experience, you don't know > what 360 is about, because until you've had one wired up to Live, you have > no idea just how wonderful this thing is. Oh there is no denying that, it has an exemplary online service.....and a service that is soon going to be copied, and then some, by Sony. I've personally never really been a big online gamer...I've got my PS2 hooked up for Pro Evo 5 online, and I can't *wait* for 'MGS3: Subsistence', but I can take it or leave it as a whole. Perhaps this is another reason I failed to 'get' the Xbox, the only one true ace up its sleeve is not something that I personally covet. >> Exactly. Because you're only getting half the experience, you don't >> know what 360 is about, because until you've had one wired up to Live, [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > another reason I failed to 'get' the Xbox, the only one true ace up its > sleeve is not something that I personally covet. It's not the online gaming, it's the integration of the whole internet and networking system. The fact that at any point in my game, I can pause and bring up a list of my 7,000 mp3s in my computer in a different room and play them as the in-game soundtrack is hugely benefitting to the single-player experience, and even if I don't play online, I can track my single-player game progress alongside those of my friends. I can download demos and HD trailers at no cost, I can download classic and small new games at a low cost and even though I'm not playing online, I have a worldwide leaderboard I can compare myself to, as well as a leaderboard of all my friends. And don't kid yourself. There is no way Sony are going to get something this good up and running. For a start they've said all servers will be publisher-side with no central system. Online is Microsoft's game, they're not going to be outdone by Sony. SignatureZo GamerTag: Zomoniac (COD2, PDZ, PGR3, Kameo, RR6) FS: SMB: T&R (DS), Rub Rabbits (DS), RE:DS (DS), MK:DS (DS), VT:WT (PSP) Apply within >>> Exactly. Because you're only getting half the experience, you don't know >>> what 360 is about, because until you've had one wired up to Live, you [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > publisher-side with no central system. Online is Microsoft's game, they're > not going to be outdone by Sony. And Killer games is Sony's and Nintendo's "game", and they will not be "outdone" by Microsoft. ;) Swings and roundabouts. Sure, I think X360 will have a good share of excellent games, for those who like the pretty much PC fare it attracts to itself, but Sony...and more importantly for myself, Nintendo, will always win hands down in this dept. I guess it boils down to taste, and what is more important to you....a great online service, or even greater gaming. We'll see though. The recent questionnaire that Sony did points to them going after Xbox Live in a big way - I personally think they'll do it and then some. Not that I'm bothered if they don't, like I say...I (and more importantly, the majority of gamers) don't care too much for the whole online thing (and PS3 will integrate just as much in the other areas you speak of, have you seen all those ports?). We shall see. :) > Xbox 360 needs more people to play it, because for once, it's not the > games. There is no doubt in my mind whatsoever that in four years I > will prefer my 360 to my PS3, just because the new Live system and Live > Arcade are so mindblowingly brilliant. But people can't see that > without first-hand experience, the not great screenshots of PDZ and > FIFA aren't going to convince people. Live could, if people knew. lesser of 2 weasels mk5000 'Entre dans le rhytme comme on entre dans une femme facile [gets in the rhythmn as one gets in an easy woman] Present malgre le temps comme 'l'air du temps' de Nina Ricci (1) [present, in spite of time like 'the air of time' of Nina...]'--solaar, prose combat |
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