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Game Forum / Nintendo / Game Boy / January 2006Nintendo 'rising to heaven' on DS sales - over 13.5 million worldwide
http://www.gamespot.com/news/6141960.html Sales exceed 13.5 million worldwide; Nintendo may be struggling to keep enough units in Japanese channel. The DS sales numbers keep coming in, and they're still good for Nintendo's new portable. However, there is one problem--they may be too good for Japanese gamers trying to buy one. Only a few days after Nintendo announced sales figures for the DS in America (nearly 4 million units), Nintendo of Europe today chimed in with its own regional tally. The DS has sold roughly 3.5 million units in Europe since its debut in March, bringing the global total to almost 13 million. Like other regions, European gamers were gaga for Nintendogs, taking 1.6 million copies of the game for a walk. The recently released Mario Kart DS is also off to a fast start, selling 800,000 copies since its late November launch. Nintendo's DS continues to sell well in its home country with more than 5 million sold--but that may slow down as available units are becoming scarce. On its Japanese language Web page, Nintendo has issued an apology to gamers trying to get in on the DS action. A rough translation explains that stock of the item is low, and that more DSes are expected to be in stores in late January. By Tim Surette -- GameSpot Posted Jan 5, 2006 5:50 pm PT It will be interesting to see how steady the DS sells throughout 2006 if stock cannot remain strong. > http://www.gamespot.com/news/6141960.html > [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > By Tim Surette -- GameSpot > Posted Jan 5, 2006 5:50 pm PT Hehe.. What the DS has in software the PSP makes up for in its capability to pirate games. Lets all be glad that the DS is one system the PSP will have difficulty emulating! The PSPs strength is as a multimedia device. Many people are buying it because you get a great screen to play Mp4s on, browse the web wirelessly, or listen to MP3s on. While UMDs seem to be popular for movies in the US, the UK seems to be largely ignoring them. At around £18-£22 per disk, it's not surprising - they cost double the price of a equivalent DVD, yet feature no extras and are only playable on the PSP. The games are the core reason, of course, but there are simply no compelling games on the format that warrant buying it over the DS. The PSP costs nearly twice as much as a DS, so it's sales of 10-million worldwide are impressive, however - people are justifying it for different reasons. The DS is selling singularly because it is a games machine, and has a handful of Must Have titles that are simply amazing to play. No compelling games on the format that warrant buying it over the DS? I completely disagree. Find me a DS version of GTA: LCS, GripShift, Hot Shots Golf, Lumines, Frantix, Exit, SOCOM, and even Twisted Metal or Wipeout. There are no equivalent games. And when a game is on both the DS and PSP (such as Burnout and Ridge Racer), the PSP version is clearly superior...just put them side by side and take a look. On the contrary, I'd argue that there are no compelling DS games to warrant buying it over the PSP (if you are over 18, anyway). Nintendogs? I've got a real dog, so why would I want a virtual one? Mario Kart and Animal Crossing? Been there, done that on the GameCube. Ditto with Advance Wars and Wario Ware. Super Mario? Been there and done that on the N64. Metroid Prime Hunters, which has been delayed for more than a year? I cannot imagine that it will be much better than the excellent GameCube version. What "must have" titles are you talking about? Trauma Center? Certainly there are a lot of PSP games which are identical (or nearly so) to their PS2 counterparts, just as a lot of DS games are identical to N64, or nearly identical to GameCube, versions. But there are also a lot of entertaining PSP titles that have no equal on the DS, and they don't need the gimmick of a touch screen/stylus. The DS is selling singularly because parents are willing to shell out $149, but not $249, to keep their kids occupied...and there are a lot more kids playing handheld games than adults/teens. But that doesn't make it a better gaming machine than the PSP any more than those little LCD blackjack games or Plug & Play TV Games could be considered better than the DS simply because they've sold millions of them at half the price. No compelling games on the format that warrant buying it over the DS? I completely disagree. Find me a DS version of GTA: LCS, GripShift, Hot Shots Golf, Lumines, Frantix, Exit, SOCOM, and even Twisted Metal or Wipeout. There are no equivalent games. And when a game is on both the DS and PSP (such as Burnout and Ridge Racer), the PSP version is clearly superior...just put them side by side and take a look. On the contrary, I'd argue that there are no compelling DS games to warrant buying it over the PSP (if you are over 18, anyway). Nintendogs? I've got a real dog, so why would I want a virtual one? Mario Kart and Animal Crossing? Been there, done that on the GameCube. Ditto with Advance Wars and Wario Ware. Super Mario? Been there and done that on the N64. Metroid Prime Hunters, which has been delayed for more than a year? I cannot imagine that it will be much better than the excellent GameCube version. What "must have" titles are you talking about? Trauma Center? Certainly there are a lot of PSP games which are identical (or nearly so) to their PS2 counterparts, just as a lot of DS games are identical to N64, or nearly identical to GameCube, versions. But there are also a lot of entertaining PSP titles that have no equal on the DS, and they don't need the gimmick of a touch screen/stylus. The DS is selling singularly because parents are willing to shell out $149, but not $249, to keep their kids occupied...and there are a lot more kids playing handheld games than adults/teens. But that doesn't make it a better gaming machine than the PSP any more than those little LCD blackjack games or Plug & Play TV Games could be considered better than the DS simply because they've sold millions of them at half the price. No compelling games on the format? Show me a DS equivalent of PSP games such as SOCOM, Twisted Metal, Wipeout, Lumines, Exit, Frantix, GripShift, Hot Shots Golf, Mercury, and GTA: LCS. Even when games are on both systems, such as Burnout and Ridge Racer, the PSP versions are clearly superior...just compare them side-by-side. To the contrary, I'd argue that there are no compelling DS games to warrant buying it over a PSP (if you are over 18). Look at their top sellers. Nintendogs? I have a real dog, so why do I want a virtual one? Mario Kart and Animal Crossing? Been there and done that on the GameCube. Ditto with Wario Ware and Advance Wars. Super Mario? Been there and done that on the N64. Metroid Prime Hunters? Even if the game ever gets released, I can't imagine that it will be better than the GameCube version. What "must have" titles are you talking about? Pac-n-roll? Trauma Center? The DS is selling primarily because parents are more willing to shell out $149 than $249 to keep their kids occupied...and more kids play handheld games than adults/teens. That doesn't make it a better gaming machine than the PSP any more than those LCD blackjack or TV Plug n Play games are better than the DS simply because they've sold millions of them at half the price (or less). The PSP is clearly the superior gaming machine, but superior gaming machines don't always outsell the inferior ones--sales of the Lynx, GameGear, TurboGrafx, N64, Dreamcast, Xbox, and GameCube are testimony to that. > No compelling games on the format? Show me a DS equivalent of PSP > games such as SOCOM, Twisted Metal, Wipeout, Lumines, Exit, Frantix, [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > GameGear, TurboGrafx, N64, Dreamcast, Xbox, and GameCube are testimony > to that. You very cleverly contradict yourself in your own post. 'Mario? I've played that.. blah blah blah' but lets talk about Twisted Metal and GTA, games which are repeatedly churned out and which repeatedly churn out generic crap. Yes.. Another version of GTA3 is the PSP's must-have game! That is the most stupid, ridiculous argument I must've seen thus far when it relates to the DS vs. PSP war. If we're going to treat any new game within an established franchise as 'I played that on the Gamecube' well, we might as well stop playing games now because most of these 'must-have' games ARE a part of a long established franchise of some sort. You treat these games as direct ports of old games, or something like that. "ShinraSoldier3" <ShinraSoldier3@gmail.com> wrote in message > You very cleverly contradict yourself in your own post. 'Mario? I've > played that.. blah blah blah' but lets talk about Twisted Metal and > GTA, games which are repeatedly churned out and which repeatedly churn > out generic crap. Yes.. Another version of GTA3 is the PSP's must-have > game! That is the most stupid, ridiculous argument I must've seen thus > far when it relates to the DS vs. PSP war. Shhh.... you make them mad when you do that. My argument was that the DS games are not as compelling to me as PSP games, and the original poster hasn't pointed out what he thinks are "must have" DS games. But you're right, I included some PSP games that were on the PS2. So let's exclude all sports and poker games, all movie licenses, all sequels, follow-ups, and games with characters from established franchises. That leaves (roughly): DS: Trace Memory, Feel the Magic, Dragon Booster, Meteos, Nanostray, Ping Pals, Shogun Empire, Whac-A-Mole, Polarium, Asphalt Urban GT, Lost In Blue, Nintendogs, Trauma Center, Sprung and Ace Wright PSP: Rengoku, Legend of Heroes, Mercury, Untold Legends, Frantix, Smart Bomb, Ultimate Block Party, The Con, Death Jr., Gripshift, Kingdom of Paradise, Coded Arms, Infected, and Tokobot Looking at just these exclusive/original/non-licensed/non-existing franchise games, I find the PSP's content more compelling and less "gimmicky" than the DS...and yes, I own both (In fact, I own 2 DS systems...one for each child in the house to play Nintendogs and Animal Crossing...and only 1 PSP, all for me). When you add back in the non-exclusives, licenses, sequels, and franchises (Mario, SOCOM, GTA, Pokemon, Pac-Man, Lord of the Rings, etc.), I still find the PSP's content more compelling. I wouldn't recommend a DS over a PSP for anyone over the age of 18, unless they were too poor to afford the extra $100. "Android66" <mandrovich@wifibullseye.com> wrote in message > I wouldn't recommend a DS over a PSP for anyone over the age of 18, > unless they were too poor to afford the extra $100. I wouldn't recommend the PSP over the DS to any real gamer. > "Android66" <mandrovich@wifibullseye.com> wrote in message > >> I wouldn't recommend a DS over a PSP for anyone over the age of 18, >> unless they were too poor to afford the extra $100. > > I wouldn't recommend the PSP over the DS to any real gamer. You don't own a freaking PSP so who cares what you recommend. I have a DS and PSP, do you? >> "Android66" <mandrovich@wifibullseye.com> wrote in message >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > You don't own a freaking PSP so who cares what you recommend. I have a DS > and PSP, do you? Yes. Meh. You just have no taste in video games. An easy way a Sony fanboy can pull himself out of a hole when arguing about Sony's inadequate software is to say something like 'lets ignore all first-party franchises and compare..' The sad truth of the matter is that Sony has no first-party franchises, that's why Sony's 100% dependant on bad third-party titles. Nintendo, on the other hand, actually develops software for their own systems, software that's of the HIGHEST and MOST ENJOYABLE quality. So maybe -you- should just admit that you bought your PSP for its multimedia capabilities, something that may be worth some concession.. Even though 'multimedia capabilities' are things that in no way should determine what handhelds are superior. If that's what you're after, you might as well go buy an Ipod or a PDA or something. But if the entire reason you would 'recommend the PSP to anyone who's over 18' is because of the PSP's gaming software, then you're obviously just a fool. > My argument was that the DS games are not as compelling to me as PSP > games, and the original poster hasn't pointed out what he thinks are [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > I wouldn't recommend a DS over a PSP for anyone over the age of 18, > unless they were too poor to afford the extra $100. I wouldn't disagree that Sony's first-party software (SOCOM, Jak & Daxter, Ratchet & Clank, Sly Cooper, etc.) is second-best to Nintendo's first-party line-up, but not by much in some cases. But, obviously, first-party games alone don't sell a system...or have you forgotten that Nintendo was trounced by newcomers who didn't have such HIGHEST and MOST ENJOYABLE quality software for two hardware generations in a row? Zelda and Mario didn't help the N64 outsell the PS One, nor did they help the GameCube outsell the PS2 or even the Xbox. And Sony's "inadequate" software library is probably 3 or 4 times larger than the GameCube's library. I guess I'm a fool. All the 18 year-olds I know are just dying to play Mario Kart, Nintendogs, Mario & Luigi, and Animal Crossing instead of SOCOM, GTA, Lumines, Battlefront and Burnout. I'd recommend the PSP to anyone over 18 because it does have good games...first-pary and/or third-party...AND because it has multimedia capabilities that the DS lacks. >I wouldn't disagree that Sony's first-party software (SOCOM, Jak & > Daxter, Ratchet & Clank, Sly Cooper, etc.) is second-best to Nintendo's [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > "inadequate" software library is probably 3 or 4 times larger than the > GameCube's library. Oh, quit flailing. First party isn't being claimed as the end all by anyone. It's total amount of quality games and when those appear. Right now, PSP is lacking in that department. The PSP has failed to be a PS1/PS2 analogy. It doesn't have as many quality games. The fact that Nintendo is holding them back with more first party releases is only proof that the PSP isn't getting the support from the developers that the PS1, etc, got. > I guess I'm a fool. Agreed. > All the 18 year-olds I know are just dying to play > Mario Kart, Nintendogs, Mario & Luigi, and Animal Crossing instead of > SOCOM, GTA, Lumines, Battlefront and Burnout. All of those are on the PS2 and better on the PS2. Battlefront? Give me a break. Not even online. > I'd recommend the PSP to anyone over 18 because it does > have good games...first-pary and/or third-party... Nah, because you're a fanboy. > AND because it has multimedia capabilities Gimmicks, you mean? lol. >>I wouldn't disagree that Sony's first-party software (SOCOM, Jak & >> Daxter, Ratchet & Clank, Sly Cooper, etc.) is second-best to Nintendo's [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > > Gimmicks, you mean? lol. Where did you get your PSP that you have all of this information from? We're just wating time beating our heads against the wall on this. I have two DS systems, and probably just as many if not more DS games than Fred does...and when I profess that I see the DS used more by kids under 18, and dispute claims that the PSP doesn't have any good games, I'm called a "fanboy" by a person who doesn't even own the PSP he is railing against! And people in this thread who agreed with him also admit to not owning a PSP, so it is hard to understand how they can be so "objective" or knowledgable about the relative merits of the two systems. I enjoyed when Shinra said you had no taste in games because you don't like the games he or she liked, then Shinra turned around and called you *the* fanboy. Remember the 90s when irony wasn't lost on people? > I enjoyed when Shinra said you had no taste in games because you don't > like the games he or she liked, then Shinra turned around and called > you *the* fanboy. Remember the 90s when irony wasn't lost on people? I've obviously been neglecting this thread. I accused him of being a tasteless fanboy because he thinks only games filled with extreme violence are suited for adults. Whereas I know plenty of adults who enjoy and respect the classics. I don't see how that would make -me- the fanboy. Show me where I said that "only games filled with extreme violence are suited for adults." I said no such thing. I did say that Nintendo's DS software appeals more to kids than adults, and that I see more kids than adults playing the DS. If you want to infer that this is because Nintendo's DS games aren't filled with extreme violence, that's your call...but that isn't what I said. I don't think Lumines, Exit, Tokobots, Gripshift, Frantix, and the other PSP games I'm playing can be considered filled with extreme violence. And, please...I don't need a lecture from you on adults who enjoy and respect the classics. The first game I ever played was Pong, I own a Centipede and Asteroids coin-op, and I have an Atari 2600 (with over 300 cartridges) still hooked up in my office...along with almost every portable and console system to come along in the past 30 years. I don't need to apologize for not liking the DS software line-up compared with the PSP software line-up, or for pointing out that Nintendo software is geared towards younger players. The former is my personal opinion, the latter is generally accepted fact. As Hank pointed out, you called me a fanboy because my tastes differ from yours. Well, then I can call you a fanboy for the same reason. So what? > We're just wating time beating our heads against the wall on this. > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > so "objective" or knowledgable about the relative merits of the two > systems. I own both. But, owning both hardly means you are 100% objective, silly goose. >> Gimmicks, you mean? lol. > > Where did you get your PSP that you have all of this information from? EBay. > I wouldn't disagree that Sony's first-party software (SOCOM, Jak & > Daxter, Ratchet & Clank, Sly Cooper, etc.) is second-best to Nintendo's > first-party line-up, but not by much in some cases. Just a correction. R&C and Sly are not first party companies. http://www.insomniacgames.com/about.html http://www.suckerpunch.com/team.php But Sony is the publisher, just as Nintendo is the publisher of Metroid Prime and Super Smash Brothers and many other titles that its own programming teams did not create. Those games are considered first-party titles, aren't they? I always took "first-party titles" to include software published by the hardware manufacturer, even if they weren't the developer. > But Sony is the publisher, just as Nintendo is the publisher of Metroid > Prime and Super Smash Brothers and many other titles that its own > programming teams did not create. Those games are considered > first-party titles, aren't they? I always took "first-party titles" to > include software published by the hardware manufacturer, even if they > weren't the developer. Second Party > But Sony is the publisher, just as Nintendo is the publisher of Metroid > Prime and Super Smash Brothers and many other titles that its own > programming teams did not create. Those games are considered > first-party titles, aren't they? I always took "first-party titles" to > include software published by the hardware manufacturer, even if they > weren't the developer. Aren't those what people refer to as second party titles? For example, I think of FZero GX on the Gamecube as a Sega game, even tho it's a Nintendo property published by Nintendo. In your opinion, PSP seems to have the best games compared to the DS, but that won't prevent people from buying more DS over the next few years for the following reasons: - Most DS games are accessible to anyone - DS are cheaper - Since most people in the world own a PS2, they will want to experience something different by getting a DS - Kiddy games or not, people play what is more fun to them Well let the PSP owner believe that their handheld is the best on the market (which is graphicly correct) and that it sells so much more and anyway how doubts that Sony is better, mature and what the hell. And that the DS is only for pre-teens and has crappy games and who the hell needs a touchscreen, if you could play GTA on a widescreen. Silly those people. I do not own a PSP, altough i would like to own one, but only at a pricing simmilar to the DS. The PSP is a nice piece of hardware and it has some nice games, but since it is a handheld for the rich and hip, i will not own one. As for the salescharts, i really care less. Maybe that reaches to a climax to proof how sucessful the handheld is, but otherwise its for nothing. What remains is only one question. Are you happy whith your handheld, or not. If yes, s*** up and enjoy it. We are playing games and not religious people who want to confince others. >In your opinion, PSP seems to have the best games compared to the DS, >but that won't prevent people from buying more DS over the next few [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >experience something different by getting a DS >- Kiddy games or not, people play what is more fun to them -- Guru Meditation #00000004.0000AAC0 First Party Developer - aka Nintendo, Sony whom manifacture consoles and games. Second Part Developer - like EA, Eidos whom develop games, but not do consoles as their main developemt. Third Party Developer - like Neversoft who publish their games through Activision or any other developer. >> But Sony is the publisher, just as Nintendo is the publisher of Metroid >> Prime and Super Smash Brothers and many other titles that its own [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >think of FZero GX on the Gamecube as a Sega game, even tho it's a >Nintendo property published by Nintendo. -- Guru Meditation #00000004.0000AAC0 All I need is just simple gaming machine. I have: - PC, that plays (natrurally) DVD's, MP3, AVI so. - phone with radio, enough for me - DVD- player, and when it's time to upgrade that, I am going to by recordable player ....the answer is DS....when I have extra money Johanna Fem. allmost 30 They buy it to watch downloaded PORN on. The PSPs strength is as a multimedia device. Many people are buying it because you get a great screen to play Mp4s on, browse the web wirelessly, or listen to MP3s on. While UMDs seem to be popular for movies in the US, the UK seems to be largely ignoring them. At around £18-£22 per disk, it's not surprising - they cost double the price of a equivalent DVD, yet feature no extras and are only playable on the PSP. The games are the core reason, of course, but there are simply no compelling games on the format that warrant buying it over the DS. The PSP costs nearly twice as much as a DS, so it's sales of 10-million worldwide are impressive, however - people are justifying it for different reasons. The DS is selling singularly because it is a games machine, and has a handful of Must Have titles that are simply amazing to play. |
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