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Game Forum / Simulators / Car Simulators / October 2008Day 28 in the Big iRacing house <-- warning, long and about iRacing
Andrew is in the diary room... [What can we do for you Andrew?] Cheaper subscription? Free content as you earn it instead of being milked for every extra car or track? [Not a hope.] Free racing for backmarkers then... think of it as a charitable act nurturing immature drivers. [Dream on.] How about a time machine so I can go back and never join, saving myself from ever having to drive that lousy Solstice, bore r.a.s. with my posts, and appear such a fool for flip-flopping on whether to stay on or not? [I don't think we can do that.] How about peace in Afghanistan and an end to Cold War II and instability in Pakistan? [No, not that either.] They've got nukes remember. [Big iRacing isn't afraid of nukes, only free will and hacking.] Ok, it was worth a try. [So are you still flip-flopping?] Only when I forget to do my zipper up. [How hilarious. If only your driving was as sharp as your razor sharp wit.] Now who's being sarcastic? [Forgive me. But remember Big iRacing and its housemates can see every race you've had, every off you've offed, every pathetically slow lap you've turned. So it's very funny listening to you pretending to be a sim racer when we all know you're just a pathetic little wannabe clogging up the virtual tracks.] Aren't you supposed to listen and let me talk? [Go on then. If you must.] If you've reached here, congratulations. I expect I'm talking to about three people now, and all of you will be familiar with my love-hate relationship with iRacing. And I really do want to hate it. There are *so* many things about the pricing and prescriptive <'allo_'allo>you vill do ziss ant you vill haff fun!</allo_'allo> structure that I want to dislike intensely. And no matter how many times I'm told the Solstice is good for me, I will never forgive them for making me drive the darned thing for a whole week of my life. I'll never get that week back! So last weekend, after that race I'd enjoyed so much, I decided not to race again in my final week of subscription. No risk of enjoying myself again if I don't drive, right? No danger of going back on my decision to step away from the credit card for at least a month. Well, I made it up to this morning. Then I booted up the games box and put myself in the Solstice at Laguna... a combination of car and track I hate more than any other. Nothing to lose, just foot down and push as hard as I can while I can still access the code. Result? No joy whatsoever. Ne pleasure pas. Zilch, nada. No speed, no thrill, no satisfaction. Just frustration. Which is exactly what I wanted... it confirmed all my prejudices and suspicions about my driving. As some say on iRacing, if you can't drive the Solstice well you're probably just a lousy sim racer. Deal with it. But I once said -- here I'm sure -- that I'd drive anything Papyrus coded... it's about racing and their skill at convincing you it's real, not the shape and weight of the car. Well, obviously I was wrong. Sometimes driving your chair around your desk can be more satisfying than a car which doesn't suit you. Ok, so I then made a mistake. Last weekend I did very few laps in the Skip Barber ready for this week's Lime Rock race. But today I decided to throw myself straight into a time trial. After all, if I leave I will still remain on the iRacing stats, and my secret (and, I'm certain, humiliating) iRating & ttRating will soon be visible to everyone there. So I might as well try to improve things a little before I go. And I had an *embarrassing* amount of fun pushing the Skip Barber around Lime Rock. Maybe partially because I didn't really care any more, and maybe because it's a small track with lots of long corners to force the car round. I had the back end out for a change, I ignored the prospect of not scoring if I had an incident, and I got my previous best down from about 1:02.5 to *just* under 1:01. Not earth shaking, not in danger of troubling those getting 1:57s, but a fair improvement, with an average over my best 8 laps of slightly over 1:02 (I backed off towards the end to ensure 8 straight laps without an incident). By the time I'd finished, the 12:15 GMT race was coming up, so... yes, you guessed it. I raced and enjoyed myself immensely. I started last and -- thanks to a combination of luck and discos -- finished much higher despite going off at one point (rather elegantly even if I say so myself, looking at the replay afterwards). I found another driver of very similar ability, and also had plenty of clean interaction with faster drivers who were less consistent. In short, I remembered exactly why this bl**dy sim is so addictive. The Skip Barber in iRacing *is* GPL2, there is no doubt -- in my mind at least -- about it. The mystical balance of visual, aural, and force feedback which made GPL such a satisfying experience has been reborn for the 21st century. I always said I'd crawl over broken glass to get GPL2. So surely forking out a lump of money and putting up with a rigid racing structure I don't really like is much less painful? Andrew McP... up for eviction from r.a.s. ;-) [Please vote him out!] > Andrew is in the diary room... > [quoted text clipped - 117 lines] > > [Please vote him out!] You'll come back..... They always come back..... :-)) RobP On Aug 27, 8:39 am, andrew....@DELETETHISdsl.pipex.com (Andrew MacPherson) wrote: > And no > matter how many times I'm told the Solstice is good for me, I will never > forgive them for making me drive the darned thing for a whole week of my > life. I'll never get that week back! I don't understand this attitude at all. There was some frustration for me with the Solstice at Laguna, but I did the best I could with it, and found more speed over time. I never had the visceral negative reaction to the rookie car that others have. True, it's not a lot of fun compared to the higher level cars. I'll probably never drive one again. But while I was driving it, it was just a car that I was trying to go fast in, and that is always fun on some level. Maybe the difference is having enough real life seat time to have experienced a poorly handling vehicle? I've had plenty of bad rental karts that didn't want to turn, but I had already spent my money, so I just went as fast as I could with it. There were other times with my own kart where I missed the setup and was way off the pace. I just did the best I could. Frustrating? Yes. But it's still better being on a race track than on a tennis court or golf course. Guess I approached the rookie Solstice the same way and was happy just to drive it to its (and my) potential. -- Pat Dotson > I don't understand this attitude at all. Whereas I can understand your attitude completely... I can understand why some people might get a thrill out of training a particularly stubborn dog. But I just can't make the Solstice entertaining in any way, shape or form. The strange thing is though that it's not that much slower (the way I drive it :-) than the Skip Barber... only a matter of 4 or 5 seconds a lap around Lime Rock. But that 4 or 5 seconds feels like an eternity! I am increasingly convinced that the Solstice is a way of finding out if you're made of the Right Stuff for iRacing. Not as a driver, but as a member of the gated community which iRacing is. I remain torn, very painfully, over whether to continue. It's the most difficult decision I've ever had to make over something as silly as a computer game. I'm embarrassed at how easily I swing from positive to negative and back again. It really is sim crack. I'm definitely going to give up... until the withdrawal symptoms come back. Andrew McP PS I've even wondered if my Solstice aversion was down to a controller issue. But I'm fine with the other cars, so it must just be me! On Aug 27, 9:45 pm, andrew....@DELETETHISdsl.pipex.com (Andrew MacPherson) wrote: > pdot...@mindspring.com () wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Andrew McP I can assure you the Barbie (I refuse to call it the Skippy!) at LRP is not sim crack. It might be skunk - and it is most certainly not the alcohol-free, what's-the-point-lager that the Solstice is - but it's not sim-crack. If you're looking for sim crack, I would recommend sir try a seat in the Legends Weekly Road Racing league. Oh...my...god. That is fun :-) The car drives (and sounds) like a demented wasp, and changes direction like it's trying to throw you out - the wheelbase is so short that it's just absolutely alive to every minute weight transfer and movement of the throttle. They're not tough to drive - but they're insanely tough to drive fast! Watching the aliens throw these things around is pretty jaw-dropping. In GPL I understood WHAT they were doing, I just couldn't do it. Here, nope, not a clue how you throw this around and stay within 100m of the track. Go on, you know you want to - all the cool kids are doing it ;-) The first hit is free.... (Damn, no it isn't....!) Cheers! John > it is most certainly not the alcohol-free, what's-the-point-lager > that the Solstice is But lots of people love their alcohol-free lager. The forums are full of folk telling us whiners not to be girls, and that it's good to suffer in order to avoid the hangover which comes from actually enjoying yourself on the track! > If you're looking for sim crack, I would recommend sir try a seat > in the Legends Weekly Road Racing league. I'm on record as saying the Legends car should be the only rookie vehicle. It might need a more conservative setup for complete novices, but it's fun to drive and gives you an idea why iRacing can be so impressive. > They're not tough to drive - but they're insanely > tough to drive fast! Yes. Embarrassing to be seen in public driving (unless at an 'I drive a stupid-looking car' convention) but very nice to drive. > Go on, you know you want to - all the cool kids are doing it ;-) Hello, my name's Andrew and I've been clean for, er... <fx:counts fingers> 19 days! Hang on, that can't be right. <fx:re-counts fingers> 13 days! That's better. I'm feeling distinct withdrawal symptoms, I must admit. Which is why I worked a night's overtime last night despite saying I'd never do another. I hate my job with a passion (everyone should have something to loathe, it's good for the soul!), but I can listen to Radio4 while doing it, and the £50 it'll put in my bank account will go into iRacing soon. However I'm hoping to stay away for a while longer... at least until Saturday, when I might get another email off them. The first was a simple 'you appear to have forgotten to renew' type courtesy email. A week later I got a 'your cars are missing you!' type email, which made me retch so hard I almost forgot how suspicious I am that iRacing employs someone with the title 'vice president of marketing'. I re-read that email whenever I weaken and want to test the Skip Barber on my fledgling Tripleview setup. It helps quite a lot actually. > Cheers! > John Welcome back. We kept a thread warm for you, but I think Mitch may have crapped in it as some point. I'd check your shoes if I were you. Andrew McP PS I still get emails from the forums threads I'm subscribed to (I forgot to change the settings before I left). It's the equivalent of sim racing water torture watching those land regularly in my in-tray. >> it is most certainly not the alcohol-free, what's-the-point-lager >> that the Solstice is [quoted text clipped - 54 lines] > to change the settings before I left). It's the equivalent of sim racing > water torture watching those land regularly in my in-tray. Lol, I knew you'd be back - they all come back..... I haven't done so much racing since I moved to the advanced solstice league. The races are 2hrs apart which seems to coincide precisely with my anti-free-time. On the recent survey they sent out I begged for hourly races in all leagues! RobP >>> it is most certainly not the alcohol-free, what's-the-point-lager >>> that the Solstice is [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >> order to avoid the hangover which comes from actually enjoying yourself >> on the track! Alcohol free lager is for people who don't want to get drunk but enjoy peeing.... Goy > Alcohol free lager is for people who don't want to get drunk but > enjoy peeing.... :-) Of course! It all makes sense now. Andrew McP On Sep 12, 7:56 am, andrew....@DELETETHISdsl.pipex.com (Andrew MacPherson) wrote: > I'm on record as saying the Legends car should be the only rookie vehicle. > It might need a more conservative setup for complete novices, but it's > fun to drive and gives you an idea why iRacing can be so impressive. The Legends are a lot of fun on the ovals, but they're insanely grinsome on road courses. It's a real shame the races are only once a week, and then only on a mid-week, which makes it quite tough to participate. Still, they always run on the same track as the Skip Barber, which makes learning a wee bit easier. On the other hand, after spending some time honing the smooth slides of the Skip Barber, a few laps manhandling the Legends around the same track really messes up your balance! > I re-read that email whenever I weaken and want to test the Skip Barber > on my fledgling Tripleview setup. It helps quite a lot actually. Hmm, nice - what triple monitor setup do you use? Software or hardware based? I imagine it would be really good for immersion in the sim (if not so much fun on the 'leccy bills!). > PS I still get emails from the forums threads I'm subscribed to (I forgot > to change the settings before I left). It's the equivalent of sim racing > water torture watching those land regularly in my in-tray. :-) You haven't succumbed yet though? Next week the Skip Barber series is back at Summit Point, which is part of the default package. That would be an ideal time to join for some Skip Barber racing.... ;-) I'm pretty much going season by season. This time running Skip Barber and doing enough ovals to keep my SR up, and just move up the license classes. The racing is really enjoyable, and strangely is a lot cleaner than in the (non-iRacing) league I run in. I guess the SR threat must work! I still find it more fun racing with people I know, but at the same time that's not the way racing usually works - being on-track with your mates. So both are good, but I am expecting it's a concession iRacing will need to make to attract the business volume. It has a cost, but relative to what people spend on the paraphernalia to run their sims, it's sufficiently small. And, living outside the US, I must also say how grateful I am to the US government for their, frankly superhuman, efforts to turn the US dollar into worthless paper, and make it cheaper for us foreigners to race on iRacing. Sadly those efforts have been matched by the UK, and our "Great" British Pound is swirling down the toilet equally quickly, but I must thank them for their efforts... Cheers! John > It's a real shame the races are only once a > week, and then only on a mid-week, which > makes it quite tough to participate. Exactly. My whole problem with iRacing is not the really the cost, or even the annoying 'always on' SR racing, which does serve a purpose. It's the fact that they have a *great* product but refuse, so far, to put enough flexibility in their service. A half price service to be able to drive just the Legends cars on three or four open, no SR servers running different tracks would be a great advert for the sim IMO. The payment & registration would keep many of the muppets out, and those servers would also allow the main iRacing fraternity to let off a little steam whenever they wanted to. I love the sim code, I just get wound up by their way of serving it up. :-) > On the other hand, after spending some time honing the smooth > slides of the Skip Barber, a few laps manhandling the Legends > around the same track really messes up your balance! I think the main reason I got so heavily into GPL was the ability to stick with one car and drive it in every race. I'm barely good enough to cope with one vehicle and its behaviour/braking points etc, let alone two or more. But it'd be worth the effort if there were more fun races to enjoy. > Hmm, nice - what triple monitor setup do you use? Software or > hardware based? This thread (watch the wrap)... http://groups.google.com.vc/group/rec.autos.simulators/browse_thread/thread/bee03d90 d2664bb0 ...contains my experiences. I did a little experimenting with two screens (easy on Nvidia cards if you have two monitors handy) and ended up buying a Matrox Triplehead. I use a messy 19"crt, 17"lcd, 17"crt setup, which isn't ideal, but it's certainly good enough until I find three matched LCDs. I can't go back from widescreen now I've tried it. It makes racing a totally different experience. Absolutely incredible. I haven't tried the software solution (softTH) because I've only got one PCI-E slot, and although the second card doesn't have to be fast, it does need the bandwidth of a PCI-E slot, apparently. Tim Wheatley found that you can also get a 'free' triplehead by using the two DVI outputs and the TV-out. Whichever way you try it though, it really does have to be experienced to be believed. The peripheral vision is *so* immersive. I fired up the games box, and EVO yesterday for the first time in nearly a week and was freshly impressed. I'd sort of persuaded myself that it wasn't that important, and was starting to eye up a cheap 'normal' 16:9 widescreen monitor as a compromise. But no. That's slightly wider screen, not true widescreen! > (if not so much fun on the 'leccy bills!). My 19" CRT, which was what I used alone on the games box before, is 120W. 3x1280x1024 17" monitors may use as little as 105W. Obviously that goes up for bigger screens. But 50W is still quite a lot for an LCD, so my bills shouldn't get too out of hand. Having said that, I invested (in the same way that buying shares is an 'investment' these days ;-) in a GTX260 to drive three screen faster last week, and that sucks quite a few watts when thrashing pixels. > You haven't succumbed yet though? Too busy enjoying the turmoil on the world markets. While that sounds unpleasantly schadenfreude-ish, my pleasure comes from *finally* being proven right. For five years I've been marvelling at the way the US & UK have lived on increasing amounts of borrowed time & money. It just made no sense to me at all. And the more I studied, the less sense it made and the more concerned I became. It's always nice to be proved right... though I'd have preferred it to have happened a few years ago before the whole world got infected with corrupted debt. Anyone would think that was the plan all along.... put the world in a position where it can't afford *not* to bale out the banks. Though arguably that was always the case anyway... the relationship between banks and governments has always been somewhat incestuous, thanks to the role Central Banks play. Anyway, with things moving so fast out there I've been doing a lot of reading and not a lot of gaming. So the urge to rejoin went away... assisted by the news that in iRacing we'll soon be rubbing shoulders with a bunch of pick-up truck drivers. There ought to be laws to prevent that kind of thing. ;-) > So both are good, but I am expecting it's a concession iRacing > will need to make to attract the business volume. Yes, I don't buy the slow steady growth thing. At this rate it'll take about twenty years to break even, let alone get the initial investment back. Mr Henry may be generous, but he's not a charity! iRacing needs more bums on virtual seats sooner rather than later in order to achieve critical mass. > I must also say how grateful I am to the US government for their, > frankly superhuman, efforts to turn the US dollar into worthless > paper, and make it cheaper for us foreigners to race on iRacing. I've been experimenting with a little precious metal insurance against inflation (which is surely the only real way to destroy the debt mountain that's been created). So I've been keeping a close eye on this the exchange rate... http://finance.yahoo.com/currency/convert?amt=1&from=GBP&to=USD&submit=Convert ...hoping to pick another sweet spot before the pound joins the dollar in a race towards wheelbarrow for a loaf of bread territory. It's probably a bit sad to be taking so much interest in this stuff, but no sadder, on balance, than sitting in front of a screen making Vroom! Vroom! noises. What, you don't? Oh, it's just me then. > You're right, Skippy is *so* much fun at Sears Point Yes, it's a very satisfying track once you get over the initial WTF! blind corners and elevation changes. I hated it and VIR at first (though I still get dangerously bored on that back straight at VIR) but both are very nice tracks to race on indeed. It sounds like the VIR week may be a useful time to start another month 'in'. If I can time it so I get to drive week 13, and another week in the next season that would be good. Then I'll be scoring... ok, donating points in two seasons, and having some fun as well. Having said that, talking about the tracks has whetted my appetite again, and I quite enjoyed Summit Point... though I was glad to escape before the Jefferson course. That was fun to test on, but must have been evil to race on! Andrew McP >> It's a real shame the races are only once a >> week, and then only on a mid-week, which >> makes it quite tough to participate. > > Exactly. My whole problem with iRacing... Erk, I didn't see that one coming! I went for the positive comment, but left the door open for an iRacing rant. Rookie, rookie usenet error by me! I can only say I haven't been here for a while and need to sharpen up... ;-) In fairness I think the Legends road-racing league is left as a kind of "Easter egg" - not many people know about it, but it's fun for the aficionados. > I think the main reason I got so heavily into GPL was the ability to stick with one > car and drive it in every race. I'm barely good enough to cope with one vehicle and > its behaviour/braking points etc, let alone two or more. But it'd be worth the > effort if there were more fun races to enjoy. The iRacing structure caters well to that - one chassis per league (so far), and several races/night to join. In league racing one a week or once a fortnight is usual, with pickup races inbetween. From that viewpoint I like iRacing, but it would benefit from tweaks, which will be added based upon experience as it develops. There seems to be feeling now that if open servers are allowed it will fracture the current membership - or it could add more. Which is correct, or are both, and to what degree? > Tim Wheatley found that you can also get a 'free' triplehead by using the two DVI > outputs and the TV-out. Whichever way you try it though, it really does have to be [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > starting to eye up a cheap 'normal' 16:9 widescreen monitor as a compromise. But no. > That's slightly wider screen, not true widescreen! The setups I've seen for triple screen are amazing, and I'm sorely tempted to try it. Unfortunately it's way down the financial queue (but.....!) :-) > It sounds like the VIR week may be a useful time to start another month 'in'. If I > can time it so I get to drive week 13, and another week in the next season that > would be good. Then I'll be scoring... ok, donating points in two seasons, and > having some fun as well. Week 13 might be a lot of fun, especially if we can race different car on the same track, or open up some races in Radical, that kind of thing. I imagine that must give iRacing themselves some ideas - what people go for, what's popular, what's not. > Having said that, talking about the tracks has whetted my appetite again, and I > quite enjoyed Summit Point... though I was glad to escape before the Jefferson > course. That was fun to test on, but must have been evil to race on! Oh, my SR graph quite clearly shows the "Jefferson dip". It's amazing how frequently, given no passing opportunity, people will decide to just drive through you! I actually quite liked Jefferson (the last turn is insane when nailing it right), but the races got samey - too many laps, and really tight, no mistakes, driving. Same with LRP - not really my thing. VIR I love, as with Sears, and the main Summit Point track, but I'm glad we can drop certain tracks in the season! Cheers! John > Erk, I didn't see that one coming! I went for the positive > comment, but left the door open for an iRacing rant. I am very, very messed up by iRacing. I want to hate it, but can't because I love driving the Skip Barber. :-) To be totally serious (not that I wasn't), one reason for my continuing reluctance to re-join is that the racing is both enjoyable (when I find other slow drivers to race) and also too much like hard work. Sometimes I'm in the mood for that 'serious' side of iRacing, but if there were open, no-SR servers then that's where I'd live. The point scoring side of things doesn't interest me at all. I just want to turn up & race those wonderfully satisfying cars without worrying about ruining someone else's SR (mine doesn't bother me). > There seems to be feeling now that if open servers are allowed it > will fracture the current membership - or it could add more. Which > is correct, or are both, and to what degree? I can understand their reluctance, and I do think open servers would seriously mess with the status quo. But I think the status quo is a sim Dodo, and wing evolution is required pronto, before the financial mariners arrive for a snack. > The setups I've seen for triple screen are amazing, and I'm sorely > tempted to try it. Unfortunately it's way down the financial queue > (but.....!) :-) Until I tried the two-screen trick I had absolutely zero interest in even normal slightly-widescreen gaming, let alone the expensive Triplehead solution. All my monitors at 4:3. But even with the meeting of the two monitors directly in front of me I *immediately* realised why people put up with the cost and hassle. I can only suggest you don't try it. It's addictive! > Week 13 might be a lot of fun I've realised my timing's not great. I'm currently trying to escape from Pipex after 6 years. Tiscali taking over wasn't a good thing! However my MAC is invalid and hassle lies ahead. I may end up ADSL-less for a week or two if I have to cancel in order to escape. So I'm reluctant to sign up now if a significant chunk of my month might be lost in <shudder>dial-up land</shudder>. Only time will tell. > Oh, my SR graph quite clearly shows the "Jefferson dip". :-) I couldn't believe it was being included in the season. A very entertaining track to mess about on (trying to hang the back end out round some of those corners) but for racing it looked like my worst nightmare. And with so many laps required to complete a race it looked like a great time to leave. So I did. Andrew McP > Andrew is in the diary room... Still the nutter Andrew :), it's too bad really that we've never (to my knowledge) crossed paths on a virtual race track out there, and according to your own evaluation of your skills that may be just as well for the iRating I don't have....and never will have, but I think I would have enjoyed it Goy >> Andrew is in the diary room... > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > for the iRating I don't have....and never will have, but I think I would > have enjoyed it > Goy the return of RAS's favourite uncle... :) I have just had a great idea, I think I will call it iRascar. Get DGF, Simmo & Mitch on the blower, stock up with popcorn and lets get this show on the road! Cheers Tony > I have just had a great idea, I think I will call it iRascar. Get DGF, > Simmo & Mitch on the blower, stock up with popcorn and lets get this > show on the road! > > Cheers > Tony That sounds like fun, and who knows with iR considering open servers in their latest customer survey... ;-> cheers, Uwe -- >>> Andrew is in the diary room... >> [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > Simmo & Mitch on the blower, stock up with popcorn and lets get this > show on the road! Hehe, those were the days, at least on here DGF wouldn't get banned ;) Good to see there's still some familiar faces around here, I'm still convinced this web based forum thing is a passing fad.... Goy > Good to see there's still some familiar faces around here, I'm > still convinced this web based forum thing is a passing fad.... We can all dream! :-) I'm still waiting for someone to work out how to make a reader for forums which works in the same way a newsgroup reader does. I'd pay good money for that actually! Andrew McP >> Good to see there's still some familiar faces around here, I'm >> still convinced this web based forum thing is a passing fad.... [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Andrew McP Web forums suck, plain and simple. People stroking their egos with humongous, meaningless sigs resulting in tons of wasted bandwith, rows of jumping banana smileys that give you epilepsy if you watch them a fraction of a second too long... No, I don't see USENET or any text-only based solution catching the short attention span of today's internet users. Come to think of it, this might actually be a good thing. Less posters, but hopefully of higher "quality" also. Now get off my lawn, or grab a beer and join us at the BBQ, reminiscing the days when all the hosts on the internet fit into /etc/hosts and we memorized ftp server ip's by heart (dozens of them ;-) All the best, Uwe -- > I'm still waiting for someone to work out how to make a reader for forums > which works in the same way a newsgroup reader does. I'd pay good money > for that actually! > > Andrew McP I agree! The best I've been able to do to make web based forums more efficient is 1. Use the RSS feed option to only see new posts (not new replies), and 2. for threads I want to follow, use the subscribe feature of the forum software. Together I have been able to drastically decrease the amount of time forum software causes you to spend trying to keep on top of things. Wow, way off topic ... iRacing, I am taking a break from it and look forward to coming back and being pleasantly surprised when they add new features like ones we are used to having in other sims. Love the driving model, love racing against people at my level, but for the price, I want some of those other features included. >Wow, way off topic ... iRacing, I am taking a break from it and look >forward to coming back and being pleasantly surprised when they add new >features like ones we are used to having in other sims. Love the >driving model, love racing against people at my level, but for the >price, I want some of those other features included. Well, they're adding the Lotus 79, which is nice.... :-) Cheers! Remco > Well, they're adding the Lotus 79, which is nice.... :-) Apart from worrying that it's another factor diluting the driver pool, I also wonder how different it will be from existing vehicles. Will it be different enough from, say, the Mazda to be significantly noticeable, or is it just a marketing tool? I guess we'll find out eventually. Andrew McP >> Well, they're adding the Lotus 79, which is nice.... :-) > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >I guess we'll find out eventually. What driver pool? :) I tried to find a race twice today, and both times there was noone present. It made me cancel my subscription.... Cheers! Remco > It made me cancel my subscription.... It's people like you that are destroying iRacing!!!!! Oh, hang on... and me. :-) Part of the reason I still struggle with the idea of returning is that I see no future for the current business model. I don't want to get too deeply drawn into a sim and community which I think is living on borrowed time and money. I am, however, usually wrong about most things in life. Which is why I hope to continue dipping my toe in and out. I doubt I will ever pay for more than a month at a time, and I envisage taking regular breaks from it... unless they alter the structure and I get involved in some kind of league. Though in general I'm inclined to agree with Groucho Marx. I wouldn't want to join any league which would have people like me as a member. ;-) Andrew McP > I see no future for the current business model. How long ago did I mention 3 years? Maybe there should be an informal pool on this. Place your bets ... > taking regular breaks from it Maybe wait until more content is released and/or included before trying it out again. > How long ago did I mention 3 years? I'm sure that long before that they'll have had to radically re-shape, or diversify the service on offer. Either that or I will have to eat my words. Andrew McP PS. Can you buy banana-flavoured paper? > league. Though in general I'm inclined to agree with Groucho Marx. I > wouldn't want to join any league which would have people like me as a > member. ;-) Hey Andy, we're starting a new season in mid-October based on rF and we'd be happy to have you at no charge at all ;-) All the best, Uwe -- > we're starting a new season in mid-October based on rF I honestly can't drive rF any more. There isn't a vehicle in which I really feel attached to the track any more. I did DL NetKar Pro the other day, and that seems to have its tyres firmly planted on the tarmac. But even that didn't really light my candle... though that may just be the vehicle modelled. I may need a bit less downforce to get virtual satisfaction. I can forget about iRacing while I'm in traffic at the Ring in Evo, but as soon as the adrenalin dies down I'm sitting in 'just another racing game'. iRacing has ruined my sim-life. I may be forced to sue. Class action anyone? :-) Andrew McP PS I'd pay $100 for the 'Ring in iRacing. Mind you, they'd probably want $300 for it and charge you by the minute for driving on it. But even that might not put me off! GPL ruined my life as well. :-) >>Wow, way off topic ... iRacing, I am taking a break from it and look >>forward to coming back and being pleasantly surprised when they add new [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Well, they're adding the Lotus 79, which is nice.... :-) Nice indeed, but will you be able to race it in a series, with a field full of black Loti? I think they should create some iCandy ;-) and at least skin the cars differently with maybe a seventies season theme. Cheers, Uwe -- >> Wow, way off topic ... iRacing, I am taking a break from it and look >> forward to coming back and being pleasantly surprised when they add new [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Remco Let us know when they add the '67 Lotus. If I recall correctly, Dave is on record saying GPL wasn't good, or something like that. I'd love to see what his new knowledge of sim racing coding would make a '67 Lotus do. |
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