Late models, with very few exceptions, do not have pit stops either. I think
you are painting Americans with a pretty broad brush though. I may agree
with you if you are talking about the very young crowd, but the same is true
for most of Europe and the rest of the world. Most of the iRacing folks
demographics seem to lean to a heavily weighted age group of well over
35yrs, and many over 50. The average age in my club, the US Midwest, is
probably well over 40yrs old. For folks in our age group, we remember when
road racing was extremely popular in the US. SCCA and club racing was big in
the 60s and 70s. I am working hard on just getting to a poing where I am on
the same lap in the Solstice......:-). The Legends car, while not too hard
to get 'decent', is very tough to get those few extra 10ths to get
competitive. The one thing that both cars have in common is that they are
very much 'momentum' cars.

Ed

   Whew..........what a piece of work.

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Alan Bernardo:

       Lol. I am an European. First F1 race I watched was back in 1970,
when I was 9 years old. I know everything about the past of F1, but F1
became boring in in 80's. Thanks god for satelite tv, which introduced me to
oval racing. I was defending oval racing in this forum few years ago. Nascar
races ar two times longer (american open-wheel races are also longer that
european) than F1. F1 is made for watching money. You don't overtake in
Monte Carlo, you just circle around Casino. The point system is such that
anybody who knows two names is the expert for F1. We had seasons in F1 where
one driver won most races, and if you are not in the top team (not few of
them, but only one), you don't have a chance, no matter how good driver you
are. Light drivers win in F1 (if that hasn't changed, I don't watch F1
anymore), where is racing here? You have light driver, in a team that
invests the most money, and you have a winner. In my days, ONLY ONE team
invested *the most* money. So, lets say, this year Renault will invest the
most money, and Renault will win, in a few years Merceds will invest the
most money, and Mercedes will win. But Renault will retire. Why? Because
there is NO POINT in investing *the most* money if you don't win. It is not
good for bussines. So, F1 has rules tailored such that the one who investes
the most money HAS TO WIN. It has qualifying tailored to such a team
(mitliple quaifying laps, even bad, but LIGHT, driver will win this
qulifying, because even he can manage to make one good lap out of 12 or 24
in a good car). So, you always have one man on pole. Then you have
no-overtake situation for whole race, and the one who was on pole, wins. And
everybody on pole won. Except the "best of them all", Senna, who was really
miserable in that, and simply WASN'T ABLE to turn a pole into a win. This is
F1 for you. WHERE is the racing here? F1 is made to be watched by peaple who
doesn't know a sh.t about racing (it is a rcing sport for masses). All they
*have to* know is two names, and they all are experts. Those masses don't
watch other racing, except F1. So, why they watch F1, then? They DON'T WATCH
RACING, they just like to watch money goes around the Casino. This is why
no-overtake "race" is the most popular race in F1. They don't have nerves to
watch it for more than two hours, so F1 race doesn't last more than that.
-- Mario Petrinovich

On Jun 28, 10:49 am, "Alan Bernardo" <virginiaw...@voyageout.com>
wrote:

I'm assuming you mean the Rookie Legend?  Remember that car has a rev
limiter at 8000, so you're not getting anywhere near the power the car
is capable of.  Try the Adv Legend with decent gearing, imho it's
harder to drive than the Lame Model (and heaps more fun, too).

Ya, we're all dumb.  Good thing Mark Donohue, Dan Gurney, and Mario
Andretti were in their primes before everyone had ADD, wot.

Don't make assumptions about people you don't know. I used to drive Papyrus
sims going  back to their first Indycar and Nascar sims. Always liked their
Indycar sims better so don't understand why they allowed themselves to be
forced to do Nascar almost exclusively.

I posted this up at RSC:

The most common misconception when starting iRacing is that the incident
system is being too severe. Stick half the car off the track, have a
spin, or get entangled in someone elses accident and the incident points
will appear on your screen.

In the early days it can be easy to become obsessed with safety ratings
as this is what determines your licence advancement. Note that
performance in races is measured in your irating - the two are
completely independent.

You will therefore see drivers complaining they cannot race through fear
of damaging their safety rating.

In reality the safety rating is quire lenient and you can have several
incidents and still improve your rating if the rest of the laps are
clean. Drive off track to avoid a spinner, get spun around from behind,
these are not the end of the world if most laps are clean.

What it will hold back are over aggressive drivers regulary going off
track or having accidents and new drivers venturing into sims for the
first time who struggle to complete a lap. We all have to learn sometime
and it can just as frustrating for the newbies being intimidated by fast
experienced sim racers as it can getting held up behind the new drivers.
Limiting the advancement for these two groups makes sense.

For the clean racer who has experience of online racing advancing will
be a breeze.

As drivers get used to the system in practice the concerns melt away and
the real issue of losing track position and time through an incident
take priority over safety rating obsession.

The system has been developed over a considerable amount of time but its
does take a little while to believe in it.

Think of it as the stewards noting your little off. Most times nothing
will be said but if you get their attention too regularly in a race they
will pull you in for a word.

Regardless of experience everyone starts from the same position in
iracing and has to earn their licence. This comes a bit of a shock for a
seasoned sim racer but it doesn't take long and the faster cars will be
available.

Cheers
Tony

I managed 6 races, 2 road course and 4 in the Legends without a single
incident. Then in the Legend, accelerating out of turn 2 at S. Boston the
entire track is blocked.......... I grabbed 4 incidents in that one without
any being me at fault. I think it could be tweaked a bit to be a bit more
fair when there is no way to avoid contact. Getting a wheel off on the road
courses is also a bit too much. If you ride a curbing a foot too far and
touch the grass, it is a couple of points. I am still practicing at Laguna.
It is a track I just never raced in other sims and don't know it. It is a
real challenge.......:-).

Ed

I am not in total disagreement :)

-Larry