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Game Forum / Simulators / Car Simulators / November 2004LCD monitor
Any reviews or information on this monitor? Philips 190S5FB Thanks, f1simracer Doesn't seem to be listed on Philips web site but the 190B5CS is. That's a 25ms response time so wouldn't be particularly good for fast moving graphics. I use a BENQ FP937S which has a 12ms response time, although I understand 8ms TFT's will be available by Xmas. That's not to say that response time is the only measure of a TFT. Brightess, contrast and viewing angles need to be competitive too. Then there's the all too difficult 'image quality' to consider.  SignatureAndi. Remove only one zero to reply > Any reviews or information on this monitor? > > Philips 190S5FB > > Thanks, > f1simracer >I use a BENQ FP937S which has a 12ms response time, And I bet it only displays 8bit color. That's how they get the response timing down usually. Less colors to display = faster response time. Bass <fish@no.email> wrote in news:onjcq0hid7l2i9a39hqg94f375outnhjmb@ 4ax.com: >>I use a BENQ FP937S which has a 12ms response time, > > And I bet it only displays 8bit color. That's how they get the > response timing down usually. Less colors to display = faster response > time. What is a good site to research LCD's? A member of our TPTCC Road Racing online league was asking the same question. dh " What is a good site to research LCD's? A member of our TPTCC Road Racing online league was asking the same question." I was recently looking into the LCDs and it was difficult to find a good site with lots of reviews. I did find this: http://tech-report.com/reviews/2004q1/lcds/index.x?pg=1 which gives some pros and cons of LCD that I thought were helpful. > Bass <fish@no.email> wrote in news:onjcq0hid7l2i9a39hqg94f375outnhjmb@ > 4ax.com: [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > dh Try here. http://www.trustedreviews.com/article.aspx?art=610 > " What is a good site to research LCD's? A member of our TPTCC Road > Racing online league was asking the same question." [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > > > dh Or here. http://www.gamepc.com/labs/view_content.asp?id=vp201b&page=1 > " What is a good site to research LCD's? A member of our TPTCC Road > Racing online league was asking the same question." [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > > > dh > > What is a good site to research LCD's? A member of our TPTCC Road > > Racing online league was asking the same question. Good place to start: http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/other/display/lcd-guide.html >>I use a BENQ FP937S which has a 12ms response time, > > And I bet it only displays 8bit color. That's how they get the > response timing down usually. Less colors to display = faster response > time. Everything about the LCD world seems to be about compromise. The only areas that they can beat a CRT conclusively are size, weight, power consumption & geometry. I'd dearly love to buy an LCD for their convenience but I can't find one that has contrast even remotely comparable to a CRT and at the same time a decent response time. You really notice an LCD's shortcomings when watching a DVD with lots or dark scenes - you can't see any detail in those scenes on an LCD screen. this is the one I am waiting on. The Hyundai ImageQuest L90D+ has an industry leading ultra-fast 8ms response time making it perfect for blur-free video and gaming. With it's 700:1 contrast ratio and excellent viewing angle their is no other TFT/LCD that can match the quality and performance of Hyundai's latest L90D+ LCD Monitor. - 8ms Response Time - 0.294mm of Pixels Pitch - 700:1 Contrast Ratio - 300 CDm? Brightness - 150?/ 135? (h./v.) Viewing Angles - frequency range 31 to 80kHz horizontal and 56 to 75Hz vertically - Automatic Picture Synchronisation - 1280 x 1024 with 60Hz recommended resolution - 16.7 million colors display - Dual inputs: D-Sub and DVI-D signal input - DVI cable included - integrated loudspeaker (2ch x 2 Watts RMS) - headphone connection - TCO 03 - Kensington ready - Integrated power pack (Saving more desk space) - 3 years on-site warranty >>>I use a BENQ FP937S which has a 12ms response time, >> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > really notice an LCD's shortcomings when watching a DVD with lots or dark > scenes - you can't see any detail in those scenes on an LCD screen. >this is the one I am waiting on. > [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] >- Integrated power pack (Saving more desk space) >- 3 years on-site warranty Looks good on paper, but I expect it is very expensive too. Au contraire. $380 is dirt cheap compared to almost any other 19-incher. > >this is the one I am waiting on. > > [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > Looks good on paper, but I expect it is very expensive too. > Au contraire. $380 is dirt cheap compared to almost any other 19-incher. That's *not* the L90D+ - it's the L90D (no plus). The L90D has a lower contrast and higher response time (and is cheaper). I haven't seen the price on the L90D+ except for overclockers.uk, and it's 395 pounds which is about $525 US. It's also on pre-order status there, with an expected availablity date of "early December". > > Au contraire. $380 is dirt cheap compared to almost any other 19-incher. > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > it's 395 pounds which is about $525 US. It's also on pre-order status > there, with an expected availablity date of "early December". With current exchange rates, ?395.00 (GBP) is $748.21 (USD). Ian P > > > Au contraire. $380 is dirt cheap compared to almost any other 19-incher. > > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Ian P my bad... Oopsies - sorreeee! > > Au contraire. $380 is dirt cheap compared to almost any other 19-incher. > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > it's 395 pounds which is about $525 US. It's also on pre-order status > there, with an expected availablity date of "early December". Any word on price? > this is the one I am waiting on. > [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > > really notice an LCD's shortcomings when watching a DVD with lots or dark > > scenes - you can't see any detail in those scenes on an LCD screen. Found it: $380 @ newegg (my fav online store). The descrip @ CNET sez it only has a 500:1 contrast ratio. > this is the one I am waiting on. > [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > > really notice an LCD's shortcomings when watching a DVD with lots or dark > > scenes - you can't see any detail in those scenes on an LCD screen. > Found it: $380 @ newegg (my fav online store). > > The descrip @ CNET sez it only has a 500:1 contrast ratio. That one isn't the Plus version either. Look at the response time - 25ms... And don't forget about backlights and the astonishing repair cost if they go out. Backlights are the 'dirty little secret' of the LCD industry. Don't think you can replace a $20 lamp. No, you have to replace the entire panel at a cost usually greater than the cost of the Monitor itself. What makes it so bad there is no physical reason for this. -Larry > >>I use a BENQ FP937S which has a 12ms response time, > > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > watching a DVD with lots or dark scenes - you can't see any detail in those > scenes on an LCD screen. CRT monitors "can't" be repaired either. That is, replacing the tube is invariably more expensive than replacing the whole thing. I had a lovely Sony 21" CRT die after less than 2 years. (OTOH, I've had a 21" NEC for 5 years.) Did anybody mention dead pixels? Most manufacturers won't replace under warranty if there's less than 3-5, which is very visible and hugely irritating. But the QC is getting better. The last 4 LCD buys I've been involved in showed NO dead pixels. The biggest issue for gamers is picture quality (tons better w. a CRT) and response time (every LCD I've seen shows some blurring...a big issue if you play 3d-centric games like auto racing and FPSs). That said, I won't go back. As my CRTs die, they're being replaced by LCDs, which just get better and better, cheaper and cheaper. > And don't forget about backlights and the astonishing repair cost if they go > out. [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > those > > scenes on an LCD screen. >Everything about the LCD world seems to be about compromise. The only areas >that they can beat a CRT conclusively are size, weight, power consumption & [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >watching a DVD with lots or dark scenes - you can't see any detail in those >scenes on an LCD screen. Yea, I bought a Samsung LCD and after one year I went out and bought another CRT monitor because the contrast ratio bugged me. I now use the LCD on my weaker second PC and use the CRT on my gaming PC. I hear some company has designed a CRT monitor that is only 13" in depth, that might offer the best compromise for someone who wants a slimish monitor and a good quality image. They're still messing w. "shallow" CRTs for television. They have image-qual issues. Prob is, the deflection angles are acute when the tube is shallow. It's like that machine-gun that shoots around corners the Germans tried in WW II. It just isn't very accurate. > >Everything about the LCD world seems to be about compromise. The only areas > >that they can beat a CRT conclusively are size, weight, power consumption & [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > depth, that might offer the best compromise for someone who wants a > slimish monitor and a good quality image. |
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