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Game Forum / Simulators / Car Simulators / December 2003RASCAR: Jan 3 Kyalami PWF
Well, not seeing much of a need to practice the Talladega Truck Race, I've skipped ahead to the Jan 3 Kyalami PWF race. A couple of things: 1. After about 20 min of practice, I'm turning 18.5's. How far off the Alien pace am I? 2. Any way to change the car file for this series ? I dumped my GNS car in the PTA folder where it should go, but it does not appear. Will we have 20+ copies of the "Terminator" body style running around the track ? -Larry Why not use the 'TPTCC'mod from The Pits... same physics. -- ed_ > Well, not seeing much of a need to practice the Talladega Truck Race, I've > skipped ahead to the Jan 3 Kyalami PWF race. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > -Larry Thats what I was thinking until I was told the damage medeling related to carshapes are isnt correct. Thats what changed my mind back to PWF TA. I'm not saying we can't use the TPTCC version but those are pretty big issues for me. We still have almost two weeks before we run TA so hopefully something will happen soon with either TPTCC or PWF and we can enjoy full TA. Mitch ----->>> This message posted using Pineapple News for BeOS R5 <<<----- > Why not use the 'TPTCC'mod from The Pits... same physics. > [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] >> >> -Larry Hey Mitch A and everyone else. Read this at The Pits. http://www.theuspits.com/sims/nascar_racing/tptcc-faq.html It explains some things I think you should know.  SignatureRichard "ZZ" Busch Member: Screamers Racing League OAO CORS MARA TransAm RASCAR GPL Rank + 17.415 MoGPL Rank + 318.586 N2002 Rank + 7.695 TransAm Rank ?? Having done a fair bit of TPTCC with FFRL and in the 1000km Glen race, I can say that none of those problems were apparent to me. It was even realistic when I got punted and when I punted others I couldn't see a problem with the collision detection. On the other hand, I'm not too bothered by eye-candy and car models - I just like to race road courses. Consequently, I'd be just as happy running the TA mod with cup car shapes. Regards > Hey Mitch A and everyone else. > Read this at The Pits. > > http://www.theuspits.com/sims/nascar_racing/tptcc-faq.html > > It explains some things I think you should know. From how I understand it - the "damage poblem" with TPTCC is just visual - your car will get mashed up - you just wont see it - thats all! :o) I would still prefer TA shaped cars with no visual damage over superfast stockcars with damage.. -- ed_ > Thats what I was thinking until I was told the damage medeling related > to carshapes are isnt correct. Thats what changed my mind back to PWF [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > We still have almost two weeks before we run TA so hopefully something > will happen soon with either TPTCC or PWF and we can enjoy full TA. > From how I understand it - the "damage poblem" with TPTCC is just visual - > your car will get mashed up - you just wont see it - thats all! > :o) very true. I was online running the glenn after which I went offline and selected glenn with the boot. Its still looked good but my car was DOA after smaking the tire wall after forgeting I was on the boot version. MadDAWG > From how I understand it - the "damage poblem" with TPTCC is just visual - > your car will get mashed up - you just wont see it - thats all! > :o) This is correct, it's "just" visual damage that is missing Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "goyl at nettx dot no" http://www.theuspits.com "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........" --Groucho Marx-- What ever mod we choose I think we should stick with it for the entire season. I think I would lean twards the mod from PWF even in beta, but I have not tried either one yet so that probably dosen't mean a whole lot. Brian Oster >From how I understand it - the "damage poblem" with TPTCC is just visual - >your car will get mashed up - you just wont see it - thats all! >:o) > >I would still prefer TA shaped cars with no visual damage over superfast >stockcars with damage.. I think so too... -Larry > What ever mod we choose I think we should stick with it for the entire > season. I think I would lean twards the mod from PWF even in beta, [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > >I would still prefer TA shaped cars with no visual damage over superfast > >stockcars with damage.. Not my choosing... I'm just here to race :) -Larry > Why not use the 'TPTCC'mod from The Pits... same physics. > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > > > -Larry > Well, not seeing much of a need to practice the Talladega Truck Race, I've > skipped ahead to the Jan 3 Kyalami PWF race. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > -Larry Guess none of the kyalami whiz-bangers can put aside thier Euroupean/British air of superiority long enough to offer some input as to your times. Myself I am running as low as 18.2, but my fastest laps are really reckless here, no consistency at all. On a more positive note, I severely overslept for work last night. Woke up 2 hours after I was supposed to be there, and clothes were not even in the drier yet. Says to myself f.ck it. I called in. May well lose my job. If this happens, you can expect to see a dramatic drop in my fastest time, along with an improvement in consistency. Then I myself will answer your questions about the alien times. [snip] > Guess none of the kyalami whiz-bangers can put aside thier Euroupean/British > air of superiority long enough to offer some input as to your times. [snip] Of course an alternative explanation would be that us damn Euros haven't actually run Kyalami yet and had nothing to offer. This is the first time I've come across this attitude in the RASCAR community - I'll assume you mean it tongue-in-cheek in which case take my response the same way. Regards and happy hols [snip] >> Guess none of the kyalami whiz-bangers can put aside thier >>Euroupean/British air of superiority long enough to offer some input as to your times. [snip] > Of course an alternative explanation would be that us damn Euros haven't > actually run Kyalami yet and had nothing to offer. This is the first time > I've come across this attitude in the RASCAR community - I'll assume you > mean it tongue-in-cheek in which case take my response the same way. > > Regards and happy hols Actually that remark was intended as an implied compliment. Implying of course that one must have a Euro/British air of superiority to be a whiz-banger at Kyalami. Therefore, if you are a Euro that has never run Kyalami before, it is doubtful that you could really be considered a WAk (whiz-at-Kyalami). Hence my remark was not even directed at those Euros whom you describe as damned. They should neither take what I said as an insult, nor reap the benefits of the implied compliment. Regards and I don't celebrate holidays. None of em. But thank you anyway. "jon" wrote... > > <snip> > Guess none of the kyalami whiz-bangers can put aside > thier Euroupean/British air of superiority long > enough to offer some input as to your times. I think Neil is closer to the mark in saying most guys this side of the pond haven't tried PWF's Kyalami yet, although I'm sure it also has to do with what I prefer to call confidence. Seeing as most will have extensive experience at this Kyalami layout using GPL, it's more a matter of familiarizing oneself with the car and the setup, rather than learning the quick way around the track. A much shorter process, which can be performed much closer to the race. I do rate myself as a roadcourse and GT driver. Heck, I'm even cocky enough to rate myself as a stockcar/oval driver. I think I do alright for myself despite a lack of raw speed. IMO it's essential for a racecar driver (real or virtual) to have the inner belief/arrogance to think he can outdrive anyone else on raceday. I think the same or similar applies to most drivers in RASCAR. Whether this shows up in our demeanor is a matter of debate. In my experience, RASCARians are, by far, not the worst offenders in this category. There is the odd "tongue in cheek" comment and the odd friendly rib (usually among guys who race together in other leagues), but on the whole I think most egos are kept firmly in check. If you disagree and you think a particular person has an ego problem, there's only one sure fire way to deflate it... on track. <vbg> > Myself I am running as low as 18.2, but my fastest laps > are really reckless here, no consistency at all. The car grips a ton and then more or less lets go. It's hard to overdo it, but when you do, you do burn off a lot of speed, which will show up on the clock. It's going to be very important to approach the limit "from the good side" in these races, IMO. > On a more positive note, I severely overslept for work > last night. Woke up 2 hours after I was supposed to be > there, and clothes were not even in the drier yet. Says > to myself f.ck it. I called in. May well lose my job. Sorry to hear that. You got one thing going for you... they might think twice about firing someone at Christmas. > If this happens, you can expect to see a dramatic drop > in my fastest time, along with an improvement in > consistency. Then I myself will answer your questions > about the alien times. Bring it on! ;-) Jan. =--- > "jon" wrote... > > > <snip> > Seeing as most will have extensive experience at this Kyalami layout using > GPL, it's more a matter of familiarizing oneself with the car and the setup, > rather than learning the quick way around the track. A much shorter process, > which can be performed much closer to the race. Now I've ran about 10 laps total at Kyalami in Gpl. Not what you would call extensive. Maybe I need to dig around and see what kind of kyalami stuff there is for it. Maybe help the learning curve a little here. "jon" wrote... > > <snip> > > Now I've ran about 10 laps total at Kyalami in Gpl. Not > what you would call extensive. Maybe I need to dig > around and see what kind of kyalami stuff there is for > it. Maybe help the learning curve a little here. Sure, if you can find some replays and then take something like an Alison Hine Ferrari v2 setup, you will get quite close to the way the trans-am feels, there's just less grip. Jan. =--- > Guess none of the kyalami whiz-bangers can put aside thier Euroupean/British > air of superiority long enough to offer some input as to your times. > > Myself I am running as low as 18.2, but my fastest laps are really reckless > here, no consistency at all. Well, This arrogant Irishmen cannot comment on the expert setup yet as I have only used the fast one. With that, I was running in the mid 14's last night. The winner of this race will not be the fastest but the one who can lap at a good pace whilst conserving rubber. My front tyres were hosed after a 10 lap run. MS > Well, not seeing much of a need to practice the Talladega Truck Race, I've > skipped ahead to the Jan 3 Kyalami PWF race. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > -Larry Did a best lap of 1.18.250, but it was bad ugly. Most of mine are in the high 18's low 19's. Goodbye to my top 10 points standings. :-( bluestringer >Did a best lap of 1.18.250, but it was bad ugly. Most of mine are in the >high 18's low 19's. Goodbye to my top 10 points standings. :-( > >bluestringer I'll be sinking right there with you. My only strategy is to stay in the back and hope someone goes off course... thats the only way I'll be passing anybody. Brian Oster Hey, dont be broadcasting my strategy bub ;) I'm down into the 16's without much practice but speeds in the TA series won't be nearly as important as consistency will be. Mitch <<<<---- Posted using Pineapple News for BeOS ---->>>> > I'll be sinking right there with you. My only strategy is to stay in > the back and hope someone goes off course... thats the only way I'll > be passing anybody. > > Brian Oster Well, I'll be missing the first TA race (out of town) but I tried out Kyalami anyway. What a fun mod and a fun course. The best lap I could muster was a flat 15 after about 30 laps of practice. I'm guessing the road course gurus will be turning a few seconds faster than that. Brian Oster >Hey, dont be broadcasting my strategy bub ;) > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >> >> Brian Oster I'm in the mid-16's now, with a best-lap so far of 16.4 :) -Larry > > Well, not seeing much of a need to practice the Talladega Truck Race, I've > > skipped ahead to the Jan 3 Kyalami PWF race. [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > bluestringer "Larry" wrote... > Well, not seeing much of a need to practice the > Talladega Truck Race, I've skipped ahead to the > Jan 3 Kyalami PWF race. I don't quite follow this logic. This race won't be any easier than any other superspeedway race. Generally speaking I think people could do with practising a little patience in these events. > A couple of things: > > 1. After about 20 min of practice, I'm turning > 18.5's. How far off the Alien pace am I? When I first read this it sounded slow as it's only marginally faster than a reasonable GPL time. I expected the trans-ams to be significantly quicker. After having briefly tried it I can confirm: after 8 laps I'm down to 1m15.051s with the <expert> setup. I therefore think the really quick road course guys like Ginger, Neil, Dave, Uwe and Jurjen will be in the low 1m14's and might even crack the 13's. > 2. Any way to change the car file for this series? > I dumped my GNS car in the PTA folder where it > should go, but it does not appear. I created a new car and imported my painscheme from the .tga files. That worked. > Will we have 20+ copies of the "Terminator" body > style running around the track ? I doubt it... one can (in roadcourse/GPL terms) take enourmous liberties with the car and still stay on the black stuff. Jan. =--- > After having briefly tried it I can confirm: after 8 laps I'm down to > 1m15.051s with the <expert> setup. I therefore think the really quick road > course guys like Ginger, Neil, Dave, Uwe and Jurjen will be in the low > 1m14's and might even crack the 13's. so im guessing there will be little scattered groups of guys going many laps down here. > After having briefly tried it I can confirm: after 8 laps I'm down to > 1m15.051s with the <expert> setup. I therefore think the really quick road > course guys like Ginger, Neil, Dave, Uwe and Jurjen will be in the low > 1m14's and might even crack the 13's. Without wishing to worry you, Jan (and more so, Larry) in the MARA T/A practice races (with modified setups of course) I sneaked into the 13s whilst Shane dropped into the 12s !! Cheers Tony "Tony Rickard" wrote... > > <snip> > Without wishing to worry you, Jan (and more so, Larry) in > the MARA T/A practice races (with modified setups of course) > I sneaked into the 13s whilst Shane dropped into the 12s !! I was being slightly conservative on the assumption the qualifying format would adhere to the stock car rules, i.e. one or two flying laps on cold tyres and a full tank of fuel. Besides, I'm not worried about your or Shane's speed... it's your consistency and racecraft that make you formidable<sp?> opponents. Jan. =--- >"Larry" wrote... >> Well, not seeing much of a need to practice the [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >other superspeedway race. Generally speaking I think people could do with >practising a little patience in these events. Actually people probably should put in a few laps at Tally. The truck can push up on corner exit pretty severly with this setup. Brian Oster The practice race and the 30 min before the main is all I need :) I have NO need to drive a brick around Talledaga for 100 laps getting ready for a race. The few hundred-thousand laps I have there have me _pretty_ well prepaired :) -Larry > "Larry" wrote... > I don't quite follow this logic. This race won't be any easier than any > other superspeedway race. Generally speaking I think people could do with > practising a little patience in these events. > I have NO need to drive a brick around Talledaga for 100 laps getting ready > for a race. The few hundred-thousand laps I have there have me _pretty_ > well prepaired :) prepaired? - is that as in prepared for repair? ...only kidding <G> Tony spoketh: > I have NO need to drive a brick around Talledaga for 100 laps getting ready > for a race. The few hundred-thousand laps I have there have me _pretty_ > well prepaired :) prepaired? - is that as in prepared for repair? ...only kidding <G> ------------------ No, I think he means he was prepaired with the wife. ;-) SignatureRichard "ZZ" Busch Member: Screamers Racing League OAO CORS MARA TransAm RASCAR GPL Rank + 17.415 MoGPL Rank + 318.586 N2002 Rank + 7.695 TransAm Rank ?? > No, I think he means he was prepaired with the wife. ;-) I don't agree with arranged marriages. I tried it out tonight and my best was a 114.6. This is a new track to me since I never ran it in GPL, so I'm sure the time can be brought down into the 113's, and someone might even do a 112 without any aero help from another driver. David G Fisher > Well, not seeing much of a need to practice the Talladega Truck Race, I've > skipped ahead to the Jan 3 Kyalami PWF race. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > -Larry Did another 15 laps and brought it down to 113.710. No doubt now there will be 112's. David G Fisher > I tried it out tonight and my best was a 114.6. This is a new track to me > since I never ran it in GPL, so I'm sure the time can be brought down into [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > > > -Larry Well it took me a while but I've turned some laps now. Best is 13.5 and if I get enough practice time there's probably .5s still to come. I can't recall how many laps the race is so I did a 25 lap run. Plenty of fuel and tyres were still green at the end: Driver: Neil Charlton Practice laps Lap 1: 1m15.208s (118.232) [Off the track] Lap 2: 1m14.854s (118.791) [Off the track] Lap 3: 1m14.623s (119.159) [Off the track] Lap 4: 1m14.219s (119.808) Lap 5: 1m14.324s (119.639) [Off the track] Lap 6: 1m15.080s (118.434) [Off the track] Lap 7: 1m14.298s (119.680) [Off the track] Lap 8: 1m13.969s (120.213) [Off the track] Lap 9: 1m13.933s (120.271) Lap 10: 1m13.934s (120.270) Lap 11: 1m14.337s (119.618) [Off the track] Lap 12: 1m14.454s (119.430) Lap 13: 1m14.248s (119.761) Lap 14: 1m14.300s (119.677) Lap 15: 1m14.896s (118.725) Lap 16: 1m14.405s (119.508) Lap 17: 1m14.256s (119.748) Lap 18: 1m14.866s (118.772) [Off the track] Lap 19: 1m14.746s (118.963) [Off the track] Lap 20: 1m14.307s (119.666) Lap 21: 1m14.603s (119.191) [Off the track] Lap 22: 1m14.352s (119.593) Lap 23: 1m14.718s (119.008) [Off the track] Lap 24: 1m14.744s (118.966) Lap 25: 1m14.583s (119.223) Regards > Well, not seeing much of a need to practice the Talladega Truck Race, I've > skipped ahead to the Jan 3 Kyalami PWF race. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > -Larry Buzz off Neil LOL! -Larry > Well it took me a while but I've turned some laps now. Best is 13.5 and if I > get enough practice time there's probably .5s still to come. I can't recall [quoted text clipped - 47 lines] > > > > -Larry |
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